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It doesn't look likely that I'll be able to start reviewing this before Friday 26th, when I return after a short break. I would also like to look at Tchaikovsky and the Five when I get the chance. I'm sorry I can't be more immediately helpful, but I'm bogged down with Smetana and non-wiki stuff at the moment; however, I see that Liszt's symphonic poems are doing very nicely at FAC, so I'm pleased about that. On a more general note, if you have plans for more music articles in the coming months it might be useful if you let me know what these plans are, and the rough timescale, so I can work these into my reviewing schedule. My own plans are to do The Bartered Bride when Smetana is through the system, then take a break from music articles until around October. I have an eye on L'incoronazione di Poppea as my next expansion project for then. Brianboulton ( talk) 23:43, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi there. I've been a bit busy in real life and in tidying up some loose WP threads of my own lately. Can you let me know if you think Symphonic Poems still needs my attention, or whether it's all sorted? Cheers. hamiltonstone ( talk) 01:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Thnaks for your note, I will take a look when I have a minute - best, -- Smerus ( talk) 20:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
If you have the time to look, Smetana is now at FAC. Brianboulton ( talk) 23:05, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I have taken this text into my sandbox, and will work on it. The Stravinsky paragraph is a bit confused, the Mahler stuff less so. Anyway, I'll work on it and get back to you. Meanwhile, Bedrich Smetana has been promoted FA (star doesn't show yet, but it's in the FA listing). Thanks for your help in this; it is good to see classical music's profile being gradually extended at featured level. Now for The Bartered Bride. Brianboulton ( talk) 09:56, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I hope these help. Thank you for your review comments on The Bartered Bride. I will look at them in detail tomorrow. Brianboulton ( talk) 23:53, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I've nominated The Bride. Thanks for your detailed reviewing work which has done much to raise the article's quality. Brianboulton ( talk) 14:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Jonyungk, the oppose stays in force until information is given, verifying the image to be in public domain, or the image is removed from the article. Perhaps we should wait a few days more? After all, I doubt Sandy or Karanacs is going to promote so quickly on just two Supports and the email reply might come in later (or perhaps someone else might have the answer). Jappalang ( talk) 02:07, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Hallo, I'll try to find some time to review it. Cheers -- LYKANTROP ✉ 11:28, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
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I wanted to make sure I said thank you, however belatedly, for all your helpful comments on Tom Swift (which I think I've now addressed) - and for your helpful review of The Hardy Boys. I always appreciate your feedback. Ricardiana ( talk) 20:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC) |
I'm translating your article. I looks awesome and educative. I'm checking the free extra spaces and removing them. I do have a question about ref 34: is it a reliable source? I mean I think you cand find a good one for "Tchaikovsky later claimed she was the only woman he ever loved".
I find also difficult to understand this paragraph, specially the last sentence: "While Tchaikovsky may have been romantically active, the evidence for "sexual argot and passionate encounter" is limited.[31] He sought out the company of homosexuals in his circle for extended periods, "associating openly and establishing professional connections with them."[31] Wiley adds, "Amateurish criticism to the contrary, there is no warrant to assume, this period [of his short-lived marriage] excepted, that Tchaikovsky's sexuality ever deeply impaired his inspiration, or made his music idiosyncratically confessional or incapable of philosophical utterance."
My english is good, but not enoguh for those. I hope you can explain it to me with your words when you have enough time. I thank very much your job and all you do, I think you already now that. I just hope to reflect your excellent job in other wikipedias. OboeCrack ( talk) 23:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations! Now lots of people will your great work (and hopefully not vandalize it too badly). Ricardiana ( talk) 03:26, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
The Bartered Bride and Choral Symphony promoted to FA on the same day! Much mutual backslapping is in order. Brianboulton ( talk) 08:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
I am miles away from my reference books at present and likely to remain so for a while. What the article really needs - as does the article Symphonic poems (Liszt) -is something about Wagner's essays, including The Artwork of the Future, which emphasised the need to synthesize music and drama. Wagner thought this could only be done in the theatre, thus through opera - Liszt liked the idea but felt it could be done without words in the concert hall. This was the foundation of a profound disagreement. See also New German School. Best, -- Smerus ( talk) 07:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
— Ed (Talk • Contribs) 08:09, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I am going to accuse you of being rather naughty. My citation was absolutely accurate:
'Wagner’s Faust Overture (1840, revised 1855) had an important formative influence on Liszt and indicates how closely Wagner’s imaginative world might have approached the symphonic poem had he not devoted himself so single-mindedly to music drama'.
This is from MacDonald's essay in Grove Music Online (now part of Oxford Music Online), therefore of more recent date than, and superseding, the citation with which you have replaced it. My citation is valid and from an excellent authority, one whom you use frequently in your work in this article and elesewhere. You can verify it from a public library source if you don't have access yourself to OMO. You might not like it - but then, ask yourself, who is exercising POV here? Can I ask you to revert to my citation and wording? Or if you really have problems with that, revert to my citation and wording and add something like 'In MacDonald's opinion'. Best, -- Smerus ( talk) 14:34, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Do you have any photo or upload one of Tchaikvsky when he was awarded with the Doctor in Music, like these two: [2] [3]? They can go well in the article, at least in mine. OboeCrack ( talk) 15:12, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
This: "Tchaikovsky felt his professionalism in combining skill and high standards in his musical works separated him from his colleagues in "The Five." He shared several of their ideals, including an emphasis on national character in music. His aim, however, was linking those ideals with a professional standard for structural perfection high enough to satisfy European criteria." is repeated twice in the text. Can I know why, please? OboeCrack ( talk) 15:55, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Another points:
The punctuation there is missing, I think it needs to be rephrased or add an and instead of a comma.
I think precocity and early age are redundant. OboeCrack ( talk) 22:41, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Does it mean that he replaced anybody else in that teather, or that he was told to do those performances without many time to prepare. The problem is on short notice and substituting (somebody). Thanks for your help! OboeCrack ( talk) 15:15, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
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Thank you for your help during the translation! In only 11 days it was promoted. Cheers! Hope to have more time to translate more of your FA's. OboeCrack ( talk) 20:04, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jonyungk,
I was just reading Symphony_No._13_(Shostakovich) and came across one sentence I found confusing; looking back I discovered you had written it some time ago. Nobody else seems to have a problem with it but I thought I'd run it past you anyway.
By the time Shostakovich had completed the first movement on March 27, 1962, Yevtushenko was already being subjected to a campaign of criticism, as he was now considered a political liability. Babi Yar engendered a campaign to discredit him, accusing the poet of placing the suffering of the Jewish people above that of the Russians.
The Babi Yar here is hyperlinked (although it's not e.g. in the preceding paragraph) and the use of 'engendered' made me think it was meant to be a reference to some person, organization or publication who had tried to stir up a campaign (surely it was not the occurrence of the Babi Yar atrocity -- or the place -- that gave rise to this campaign). Hence I thought it must be a typo or some vandalism; but checking back, I see it was intentional.
If you can define who actually started this campaign and accused the poet, would it not make it clearer to say that? For example,
[...] he was now considered a political liability. Khrushchev's agents started a campaign [...]
HTH
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I've been working on Poppea for some weeks, and am about to send it for peer review. Any comments would be welcome. Brianboulton ( talk) 12:12, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
I looked at the first part of Tchaikovsky and the Five and it seems much clearer. Would you like me to make specific comments? If so, where - the article talk page? The new PR once it is open? Ruhrfisch ><>°° 01:27, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
(out) I dug a little on Google Books and found some decnt images of all of the Five, plus one of Tchaikovsky in 1863 (he looks to be about 12). Please let me know if these would work and if they would, I will work on the composite image. There are links to all the images on Talk:Tchaikovsky and the Five. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 19:10, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
I will be glad to look at it again, though it may take me a few days. Thanks for asking, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 19:36, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jonyungk - thanks very much for looking over the above article. I've responded to all your suggestions. If you want to have another look, great, if not, that's fine too. I'm a bit stretched at present - I'd look at Tchaikovsky and the Five as you asked, but it looks as though it is getting fairly thorough attention from Ricardiana and Brian, as well as possible Ruhrfisch (?), so i might leave that for now. If you do still need more eyes on it later, let me know. I do try to be more active at FAC while avoiding PR (just a question of limited resources), so i may see it there! :-) hamiltonstone ( talk) 04:16, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Jonyungk -- I just wanted to apologize that I'm not done with my peer review yet - this week is the last week of classes at the universities where I teach, so there's been a lot of students rushing around last minute with their heads cut off asking questions about grammar, etc., so I have been extra-busy. Tomorrow things should be calmer, and I hope to finish my review tomorrow or tomorrow night. So, sorry for the delay. Best, Ricardiana ( talk) 05:31, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
More than happy to standardize the spelling. Will do in the next couple of hours. - Tim riley ( talk) 20:17, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
I am glad to see the information from the Legacy section is now the basis of Tchaikovsky and the Belyayev circle. I can make the image color this time - would probably use cropped heads from the following:
Does that seem OK? Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:13, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
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I'm on vacation at the moment, but I'll be glad to review the article when I return on Monday. Cheers, Nikkimaria ( talk) 22:57, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
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It doesn't look likely that I'll be able to start reviewing this before Friday 26th, when I return after a short break. I would also like to look at Tchaikovsky and the Five when I get the chance. I'm sorry I can't be more immediately helpful, but I'm bogged down with Smetana and non-wiki stuff at the moment; however, I see that Liszt's symphonic poems are doing very nicely at FAC, so I'm pleased about that. On a more general note, if you have plans for more music articles in the coming months it might be useful if you let me know what these plans are, and the rough timescale, so I can work these into my reviewing schedule. My own plans are to do The Bartered Bride when Smetana is through the system, then take a break from music articles until around October. I have an eye on L'incoronazione di Poppea as my next expansion project for then. Brianboulton ( talk) 23:43, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi there. I've been a bit busy in real life and in tidying up some loose WP threads of my own lately. Can you let me know if you think Symphonic Poems still needs my attention, or whether it's all sorted? Cheers. hamiltonstone ( talk) 01:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Thnaks for your note, I will take a look when I have a minute - best, -- Smerus ( talk) 20:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
If you have the time to look, Smetana is now at FAC. Brianboulton ( talk) 23:05, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
I have taken this text into my sandbox, and will work on it. The Stravinsky paragraph is a bit confused, the Mahler stuff less so. Anyway, I'll work on it and get back to you. Meanwhile, Bedrich Smetana has been promoted FA (star doesn't show yet, but it's in the FA listing). Thanks for your help in this; it is good to see classical music's profile being gradually extended at featured level. Now for The Bartered Bride. Brianboulton ( talk) 09:56, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I hope these help. Thank you for your review comments on The Bartered Bride. I will look at them in detail tomorrow. Brianboulton ( talk) 23:53, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
I've nominated The Bride. Thanks for your detailed reviewing work which has done much to raise the article's quality. Brianboulton ( talk) 14:38, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Jonyungk, the oppose stays in force until information is given, verifying the image to be in public domain, or the image is removed from the article. Perhaps we should wait a few days more? After all, I doubt Sandy or Karanacs is going to promote so quickly on just two Supports and the email reply might come in later (or perhaps someone else might have the answer). Jappalang ( talk) 02:07, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Hallo, I'll try to find some time to review it. Cheers -- LYKANTROP ✉ 11:28, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
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I wanted to make sure I said thank you, however belatedly, for all your helpful comments on Tom Swift (which I think I've now addressed) - and for your helpful review of The Hardy Boys. I always appreciate your feedback. Ricardiana ( talk) 20:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC) |
I'm translating your article. I looks awesome and educative. I'm checking the free extra spaces and removing them. I do have a question about ref 34: is it a reliable source? I mean I think you cand find a good one for "Tchaikovsky later claimed she was the only woman he ever loved".
I find also difficult to understand this paragraph, specially the last sentence: "While Tchaikovsky may have been romantically active, the evidence for "sexual argot and passionate encounter" is limited.[31] He sought out the company of homosexuals in his circle for extended periods, "associating openly and establishing professional connections with them."[31] Wiley adds, "Amateurish criticism to the contrary, there is no warrant to assume, this period [of his short-lived marriage] excepted, that Tchaikovsky's sexuality ever deeply impaired his inspiration, or made his music idiosyncratically confessional or incapable of philosophical utterance."
My english is good, but not enoguh for those. I hope you can explain it to me with your words when you have enough time. I thank very much your job and all you do, I think you already now that. I just hope to reflect your excellent job in other wikipedias. OboeCrack ( talk) 23:01, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations! Now lots of people will your great work (and hopefully not vandalize it too badly). Ricardiana ( talk) 03:26, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
The Bartered Bride and Choral Symphony promoted to FA on the same day! Much mutual backslapping is in order. Brianboulton ( talk) 08:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
I am miles away from my reference books at present and likely to remain so for a while. What the article really needs - as does the article Symphonic poems (Liszt) -is something about Wagner's essays, including The Artwork of the Future, which emphasised the need to synthesize music and drama. Wagner thought this could only be done in the theatre, thus through opera - Liszt liked the idea but felt it could be done without words in the concert hall. This was the foundation of a profound disagreement. See also New German School. Best, -- Smerus ( talk) 07:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
— Ed (Talk • Contribs) 08:09, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
I am going to accuse you of being rather naughty. My citation was absolutely accurate:
'Wagner’s Faust Overture (1840, revised 1855) had an important formative influence on Liszt and indicates how closely Wagner’s imaginative world might have approached the symphonic poem had he not devoted himself so single-mindedly to music drama'.
This is from MacDonald's essay in Grove Music Online (now part of Oxford Music Online), therefore of more recent date than, and superseding, the citation with which you have replaced it. My citation is valid and from an excellent authority, one whom you use frequently in your work in this article and elesewhere. You can verify it from a public library source if you don't have access yourself to OMO. You might not like it - but then, ask yourself, who is exercising POV here? Can I ask you to revert to my citation and wording? Or if you really have problems with that, revert to my citation and wording and add something like 'In MacDonald's opinion'. Best, -- Smerus ( talk) 14:34, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Do you have any photo or upload one of Tchaikvsky when he was awarded with the Doctor in Music, like these two: [2] [3]? They can go well in the article, at least in mine. OboeCrack ( talk) 15:12, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
This: "Tchaikovsky felt his professionalism in combining skill and high standards in his musical works separated him from his colleagues in "The Five." He shared several of their ideals, including an emphasis on national character in music. His aim, however, was linking those ideals with a professional standard for structural perfection high enough to satisfy European criteria." is repeated twice in the text. Can I know why, please? OboeCrack ( talk) 15:55, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Another points:
The punctuation there is missing, I think it needs to be rephrased or add an and instead of a comma.
I think precocity and early age are redundant. OboeCrack ( talk) 22:41, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Does it mean that he replaced anybody else in that teather, or that he was told to do those performances without many time to prepare. The problem is on short notice and substituting (somebody). Thanks for your help! OboeCrack ( talk) 15:15, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
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Thank you for your help during the translation! In only 11 days it was promoted. Cheers! Hope to have more time to translate more of your FA's. OboeCrack ( talk) 20:04, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jonyungk,
I was just reading Symphony_No._13_(Shostakovich) and came across one sentence I found confusing; looking back I discovered you had written it some time ago. Nobody else seems to have a problem with it but I thought I'd run it past you anyway.
By the time Shostakovich had completed the first movement on March 27, 1962, Yevtushenko was already being subjected to a campaign of criticism, as he was now considered a political liability. Babi Yar engendered a campaign to discredit him, accusing the poet of placing the suffering of the Jewish people above that of the Russians.
The Babi Yar here is hyperlinked (although it's not e.g. in the preceding paragraph) and the use of 'engendered' made me think it was meant to be a reference to some person, organization or publication who had tried to stir up a campaign (surely it was not the occurrence of the Babi Yar atrocity -- or the place -- that gave rise to this campaign). Hence I thought it must be a typo or some vandalism; but checking back, I see it was intentional.
If you can define who actually started this campaign and accused the poet, would it not make it clearer to say that? For example,
[...] he was now considered a political liability. Khrushchev's agents started a campaign [...]
HTH
Ozaru ( talk) 21:42, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
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I've been working on Poppea for some weeks, and am about to send it for peer review. Any comments would be welcome. Brianboulton ( talk) 12:12, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
I looked at the first part of Tchaikovsky and the Five and it seems much clearer. Would you like me to make specific comments? If so, where - the article talk page? The new PR once it is open? Ruhrfisch ><>°° 01:27, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
(out) I dug a little on Google Books and found some decnt images of all of the Five, plus one of Tchaikovsky in 1863 (he looks to be about 12). Please let me know if these would work and if they would, I will work on the composite image. There are links to all the images on Talk:Tchaikovsky and the Five. Ruhrfisch ><>°° 19:10, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
I will be glad to look at it again, though it may take me a few days. Thanks for asking, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 19:36, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi Jonyungk - thanks very much for looking over the above article. I've responded to all your suggestions. If you want to have another look, great, if not, that's fine too. I'm a bit stretched at present - I'd look at Tchaikovsky and the Five as you asked, but it looks as though it is getting fairly thorough attention from Ricardiana and Brian, as well as possible Ruhrfisch (?), so i might leave that for now. If you do still need more eyes on it later, let me know. I do try to be more active at FAC while avoiding PR (just a question of limited resources), so i may see it there! :-) hamiltonstone ( talk) 04:16, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Jonyungk -- I just wanted to apologize that I'm not done with my peer review yet - this week is the last week of classes at the universities where I teach, so there's been a lot of students rushing around last minute with their heads cut off asking questions about grammar, etc., so I have been extra-busy. Tomorrow things should be calmer, and I hope to finish my review tomorrow or tomorrow night. So, sorry for the delay. Best, Ricardiana ( talk) 05:31, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
More than happy to standardize the spelling. Will do in the next couple of hours. - Tim riley ( talk) 20:17, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
I am glad to see the information from the Legacy section is now the basis of Tchaikovsky and the Belyayev circle. I can make the image color this time - would probably use cropped heads from the following:
Does that seem OK? Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:13, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
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I'm on vacation at the moment, but I'll be glad to review the article when I return on Monday. Cheers, Nikkimaria ( talk) 22:57, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
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