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Johnski, glad you signed up for a handle. Sorry I haven't been around. A combination of being sick as well as being pretty pissed at one of the admins for an off the cuff (and PMS type) remark. Anyway, I'm kind of pissed right now about Wikipedia. I might end up disappearing for awhile.
I really want to start a blog and write about what's going on in the US. I've been pretty tired lately with work and all and can't really seem to muster the energy to do much. Hopefully in a few days things will change. Davidpdx 9/22/05 1:52 (UTC)
I will be out until Tuesday as I'm going on vacation. You probably won't hear from my again until then. Davidpdx 9/30/05 13:00 (UTC)
I posted a reply on Solkope. I'm walking away from this argument because in my opinion, it is like tossing my energy down a black hole... RfC is probably the only way this will ever be resolved.-- Isotope23 13:34, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Been trying to get more balance and keep facts straight on this subject. Can you help instead merely reverting? Johnski 04:57, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Please DO NOT remove NPOV tag on Bokak Atoll. The material in this article IS being disputed. If you remove the tag again, I will report it as vandalism. Davidpdx 10/3/05 8:53 (UTC) If this is addressed to me, I don't remember removing it Johnski 06:09, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Please stop reverting this article until there is a consensus or compromise langauge that has been agreed to. The version posted by 03:54, 3 October 2005 El C is the version that should remain until further notice. Doing otherwise in insistance of compromise that does not exsist severely damages your creditablity. It also could hamper any possiblity of others to work with you to come to a meaningful agreement. Davidpdx 10/3/05 9:04 (UTC)
No. I believe in open study of all religions. I have studied religions with which I emphatically disagree, including Catholicism, Orthodox Judaism, B'nai Noach, and Islam, sometimes to such depths that I think my wife feared I was planning to convert. I do not believe in the principle of withholding information about a religion on the idea that it may be a threat to true faith. And I certainly fear nothing from the DOM "religion." I see no grain of truth there nor do I even see anything of interest.
Thankfully on Wikipedia we have constructed policies which can be followed by any editor regardless of his personal convictions or motivations which will result in unbiased articles. Editors on any side of an issue or even editors who do not care about an issue can still make the right decisions for an article.
No. Regardless of the fraud claims, the religious claims are utterly without merit and would probably be theologically irrelevant even if they had any merit.
Your use of the pronoun "their" is disingenuous, but not unexpected. Jdavidb 13:41, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Here are some helpful links regarding policies on using sources on Wikipedia:
Wikipedia:Cite sources Wikipedia:Reliable sources Wikipedia:No original research Wikipedia:Verifiability
I have posted new comments on the DOM talk page again. Most likely I won't get around to putting comments again until Friday or so. Davidpdx 10/5/05 13:30 (UTC)
Hi David,
You promised to post your email address but I don't remember seeing it. I think I could clear up some of the points a lot easier and faster if we could use email. Johnski 07:04, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Comment: Merging requires the edit history of the source of the merged info to be kept. Therefore, merge and delete is not a valid vote. See Wikipedia:Guide to deletion. - 131.211.51.34 09:49, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
Wow another bs move by Johnski and unsigned at that. This is from the person who tried to convience me that blogs could be used as a creditable source. Speaking of creditablity, you are shooting yourself in the foot in terms of your creditablity by the statements you make. You purposly lie and misrepresent the rules of Wikipedia to push DOM. In fact, here is the true interpretation of the rule you misquoted: "An AFD decision is either to "keep" or "delete" the article.
AFD discussions which fail to reach rough consensus default to "keep". The AFD decision may also include a strong recommendation for an additional action such as a "merger" or "redirect". In many cases, the decision to "keep" or "delete" may be conditional on the community's acceptance of the additional action. These recommendations do represent the community consensus and also should not be overturned lightly. However, these are actions which can be taken by any editor and do not require "admin powers". If they are challenged, the decision should be discussed and decided on the respective article Talk pages. A second AFD discussion is unnecessary."
You continue to make statements in bad faith and revert things without consensus, why should anyone trust you? Davidpdx 10:21, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
Keep but rewrite.207.47.122.10 08:53, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
Just another bad faith move by you. I'm going to start documenting all the bs that you are doing and report it. I couldn't care less what your response is, so don't bother giving one:
I protest the vote from 207.47.122.10. This is clearly the IP address of Johnski, the main person involved in vandalizing numerous pages on Wikipedia. He is adding several pages in order to push DOM and make it seem legitimate. Each person has one vote on a rfd. It's time Johnski learns to follow the rules. Davidpdx 13:16, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
I posted a reply on Solkope. I'm walking away from this argument because in my opinion, it is like tossing my energy down a black hole... RfC is probably the only way this will ever be resolved.-- Isotope23 13:34, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
I started this article and hope that someone will help to improve it:
A Wikilante is a rogue member of the Wikipedian community that takes matters into his/her own hands by blocking honest attempts to improve an article. The word Wikilante was inspired by the meaning of Vigilante. It was developed as a result of wikilante behavior on certain controversial articles published on Wikipedia. It is not to be confused with those dedicated Wikipedians that vigilantly revert vandalism, and attempt to block disruptive behavior.
Dear Davidpdx, you and your ilk have inspired me to create a new article, Wikilante. I hope the fact that you have been the primary cause of this, causes you to give pause, and see how you have become a vigilante. I'm sure under different circumstances, we could be friends, and I still hope that we can forgive each other, and move in that direction. Hurry, rush and nominate it for deletion before someone else does. Sincerely Johnski 07:56, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Hello, Johnski. I'm sorry, I wish I could help, but I will be away over the weekend and I cannot be tied up in any issues right now. You can still file an RfC yourself (just go to WP:RFC and follow the instructions there), or, better yet, you may want to request for someone to help work out your differences with Davidpdx at WP:M. Again, I'm sorry I cannot be of assistance right now. Rob e rt T | @ | C 22:33, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
There is consensus and glad to see we cleared up part of our misunderstanding Dear Davidpdx, there is consensus over the fact that the Iroijlaplap of Taongi did grant DOM a 50 years sovereign lease, so please stop removing that fact from the article. It is in the protected article and has been in every article about DOM for months.
I'm glad that we were able to clear up that I had reason to believe you had approved one of the versions here. Thank you for your honesty. SincerelyJohnski 17:50, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Gentlemen, I'll tell you what, you disclose your IP addresses, I'll disclose mine. If you agree, I'll disclose mine first. Otherwise, myself and others might be led to believe you have something to hide. I see that KAJ was a leader in that regard, and you were not forthcoming in showing the same good faith. Sincerely, Johnski 05:55, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Dear David, would you be interested in mediation under a wiki mediator? If so this could avoid the more difficult process of arbitration. Sincerely, Johnski 07:20, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
09:38, 27 October 2005 Sjakkalle deleted "Wikilante" (content was: '{{deletebecause|Recreated after speedy deletion, created by a disgruntled user}}A Wikilante is a rogue member of the Wikipedian community that takes ...')
Hello, Sjakkalle, I'm not distruntled. I am disapointed by the phenomena of wikilantism I found from another member of this community, and think the newly created word helps to identify that activity. After creating it, it dawned on me that bringing it to the wikilante's attention, he might communicate with me, which worked a little. When I went to look at the article newly created it was gone, so published it again, but since found the deletion notice after finding it gone once more. Is it possible to suggest this as an article? Can you help me to mediate with the one showing the Wikilante behavior. Johnski 07:14, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
hi, in response to your message, as you'll see my only edit was changing "United States Securities and Exchange Commission" to " U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission", as part of a clean up of links. I don't know much about the DOM, and certainly not enough to get into any debates over it. Hope the dispute gets sorted though. DocendoDiscimus 08:19, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
E-mail for you, Johnski. Cheers, SlimVirgin (talk) 23:45, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
You have been requested to appear as a defendant in an arbitration case against you. You can file any comments on your own behalf at: [1] Davidpdx 08:42, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
I have posted a long reply on the DOM talk page. You should fix the comments you made so they do not intrude on others. As I stated on the talk page, it makes it difficult to see who said what when someone does that.
I also pointed out, no one should be editing the article while we are waiting for a decision from arbitration. If you persist, I'll ask for a TRO or for the page to be protected again. This should be common sense. It would be nice gesture if you would refrain from editing any of the articles mentioned in the arbitration filing. Davidpdx 13:41, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Just to let you know, you should't be commenting on other peoples statements in arbitration. I made the same mistake and it was removed by one of the arbitration committee members shortly after I put a comment under your statement. You recently put a statement under Gene_Poole's comments and I commented under your rebuttle that your comments should also be removed. Davidpdx 14:49, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Johnski has been accepted. Please place evidence at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Johnski/Evidence. Proposals and comments may be made at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Johnski/Workshop. Fred Bauder 04:11, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
I wouldn't get too excited at this point. I may have jumped the gun at offering this as a solution. At best, it seems like I'm getting a lackluster response in terms of a consensus. If I could put together a group of at least four people (five including you and myself), that would agree this should be changed, I'd do it. At this point, if I did make the change I feel it's going to cause the situation to blow up and get worse.
Honestly, looking at the arbitration page, it appears that the case is going to be heard and pretty soon. Last time I looked it was 3/1/0 which means one more vote is needed to hear the case. There is one other case in line ahead of us, so I think that by the end of the week this is going to go forward. Right now, I'm asking for a cease fire. As I said, I've left messages with several other people and I'm not hearing anyone that is wild about the idea. I wish I could have come up with something. Davidpdx 13:47, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Please consider reverting the weird changes that this user is making to the DoM article so that I don't violate 3RR. Thanks. - EDM 02:14, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm tired of playing your games.
In this edit, you state, "Certainly your hatred for Christian Science affects your judgment here?" That's completely unfounded and irrelevant, to boot.
As long as you let such unfounded and irrational comments stand, I will not participate in discussions with you other than where may be necessary on an article talk page, since it is clear that you will willingly ignore what I say, misread what I say, add your own opinions and assumptions to what I say, and misrepresent what I say. Since I have never said anything about Christian Science, it ought to be clear to anyone that that is the case here. In the future I suggest that if you want to assert anything on Wikipedia about my feelings, opinions, or previous statements that you post a link to a diff confirming what you are saying or else not say it. Jdavidb ( talk • contribs) 21:01, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Couple more comments:
It might be wise not to assume you know the general attitude or belief of any particular church or religion based on what any one member says. In my experience you have to have a lot of data points to know what a religion beliefs: official texts and statements, perspective from practicing officials or teachers of the religion, perspective of multiple average members, and perspective from members in different locations due to differences in geography. These different data points don't always agree. If you've only got a statement from one person, you almost never have enough to determine what a particular religion believes.
All my life until a couple of years ago my grandparents lived across the street from a couple who were members of Christian Science. They had the same surname as my fourth grade science teacher who often made comments that made me think he was probably also a member of Christian Science, and I suspect possibly a relative of theirs. My grandparents always spoke fondly of that couple, though they never got to be more than just neighborhood acquaintances. There was never any animosity over religion in evidence from either side, and certainly not hatred. Jdavidb ( talk • contribs) 04:51, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I have nothing to say, other then what is being said at arbitration. Yes, you did call me spineless. Davidpdx 01:20, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
I think you'll do better to wait until the outcome of the arbitration before attempting to edit on this subject again, and/or to propose all changes you want to make on the talk page and obtain consensus before proceeding. Jdavidb ( talk • contribs) 14:03, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Have you seen the proposed arbcom ruling? It says, "The locus of this dispute is edit warring and POV editing of Dominion of Melchizedek and related articles. The edit warring is sustained, and marked by aggressive editing by Johnski and a host of apparent associates."
Then it says, "Johnski, and his numerous puppets, are reasonably believed to be associated with the Dominion of Melchizedek and are capable of using a wide variety of IPs to access Wikipedia."
And finally, "Dominion of Melchizedek and associated articles, shall be semi-protected. If necessary, Johnski, or any other editor believed by an administrator to be a sockpuppet or meatpuppet of Johnski, may be blocked indefinitely by any administrator."
You have three times inserted the same thing against consensus. I am blocking you indefinitely. Tom Harrison Talk 22:11, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
You have been blocked from editing for violating Wikipedia policy against sustained and aggressive edit warring. To contest this block, please reply here on your talk page by adding the text {{unblock}} along with the reason you believe the block is unjustified, or email the blocking administrator or any administrator from this list. Note to sysops: Unblocking yourself should almost never be done. If you disagree with the block, contact another administrator. -- Tom Harrison Talk 22:32, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
This is an archieve. Please do not edit it in any way.
Welcome!
Hello, Johnski/Archieve01, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a
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Johnski, glad you signed up for a handle. Sorry I haven't been around. A combination of being sick as well as being pretty pissed at one of the admins for an off the cuff (and PMS type) remark. Anyway, I'm kind of pissed right now about Wikipedia. I might end up disappearing for awhile.
I really want to start a blog and write about what's going on in the US. I've been pretty tired lately with work and all and can't really seem to muster the energy to do much. Hopefully in a few days things will change. Davidpdx 9/22/05 1:52 (UTC)
I will be out until Tuesday as I'm going on vacation. You probably won't hear from my again until then. Davidpdx 9/30/05 13:00 (UTC)
I posted a reply on Solkope. I'm walking away from this argument because in my opinion, it is like tossing my energy down a black hole... RfC is probably the only way this will ever be resolved.-- Isotope23 13:34, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Been trying to get more balance and keep facts straight on this subject. Can you help instead merely reverting? Johnski 04:57, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
Please DO NOT remove NPOV tag on Bokak Atoll. The material in this article IS being disputed. If you remove the tag again, I will report it as vandalism. Davidpdx 10/3/05 8:53 (UTC) If this is addressed to me, I don't remember removing it Johnski 06:09, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Please stop reverting this article until there is a consensus or compromise langauge that has been agreed to. The version posted by 03:54, 3 October 2005 El C is the version that should remain until further notice. Doing otherwise in insistance of compromise that does not exsist severely damages your creditablity. It also could hamper any possiblity of others to work with you to come to a meaningful agreement. Davidpdx 10/3/05 9:04 (UTC)
No. I believe in open study of all religions. I have studied religions with which I emphatically disagree, including Catholicism, Orthodox Judaism, B'nai Noach, and Islam, sometimes to such depths that I think my wife feared I was planning to convert. I do not believe in the principle of withholding information about a religion on the idea that it may be a threat to true faith. And I certainly fear nothing from the DOM "religion." I see no grain of truth there nor do I even see anything of interest.
Thankfully on Wikipedia we have constructed policies which can be followed by any editor regardless of his personal convictions or motivations which will result in unbiased articles. Editors on any side of an issue or even editors who do not care about an issue can still make the right decisions for an article.
No. Regardless of the fraud claims, the religious claims are utterly without merit and would probably be theologically irrelevant even if they had any merit.
Your use of the pronoun "their" is disingenuous, but not unexpected. Jdavidb 13:41, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Here are some helpful links regarding policies on using sources on Wikipedia:
Wikipedia:Cite sources Wikipedia:Reliable sources Wikipedia:No original research Wikipedia:Verifiability
I have posted new comments on the DOM talk page again. Most likely I won't get around to putting comments again until Friday or so. Davidpdx 10/5/05 13:30 (UTC)
Hi David,
You promised to post your email address but I don't remember seeing it. I think I could clear up some of the points a lot easier and faster if we could use email. Johnski 07:04, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
Comment: Merging requires the edit history of the source of the merged info to be kept. Therefore, merge and delete is not a valid vote. See Wikipedia:Guide to deletion. - 131.211.51.34 09:49, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
Wow another bs move by Johnski and unsigned at that. This is from the person who tried to convience me that blogs could be used as a creditable source. Speaking of creditablity, you are shooting yourself in the foot in terms of your creditablity by the statements you make. You purposly lie and misrepresent the rules of Wikipedia to push DOM. In fact, here is the true interpretation of the rule you misquoted: "An AFD decision is either to "keep" or "delete" the article.
AFD discussions which fail to reach rough consensus default to "keep". The AFD decision may also include a strong recommendation for an additional action such as a "merger" or "redirect". In many cases, the decision to "keep" or "delete" may be conditional on the community's acceptance of the additional action. These recommendations do represent the community consensus and also should not be overturned lightly. However, these are actions which can be taken by any editor and do not require "admin powers". If they are challenged, the decision should be discussed and decided on the respective article Talk pages. A second AFD discussion is unnecessary."
You continue to make statements in bad faith and revert things without consensus, why should anyone trust you? Davidpdx 10:21, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
Keep but rewrite.207.47.122.10 08:53, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
Just another bad faith move by you. I'm going to start documenting all the bs that you are doing and report it. I couldn't care less what your response is, so don't bother giving one:
I protest the vote from 207.47.122.10. This is clearly the IP address of Johnski, the main person involved in vandalizing numerous pages on Wikipedia. He is adding several pages in order to push DOM and make it seem legitimate. Each person has one vote on a rfd. It's time Johnski learns to follow the rules. Davidpdx 13:16, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
I posted a reply on Solkope. I'm walking away from this argument because in my opinion, it is like tossing my energy down a black hole... RfC is probably the only way this will ever be resolved.-- Isotope23 13:34, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
I started this article and hope that someone will help to improve it:
A Wikilante is a rogue member of the Wikipedian community that takes matters into his/her own hands by blocking honest attempts to improve an article. The word Wikilante was inspired by the meaning of Vigilante. It was developed as a result of wikilante behavior on certain controversial articles published on Wikipedia. It is not to be confused with those dedicated Wikipedians that vigilantly revert vandalism, and attempt to block disruptive behavior.
Dear Davidpdx, you and your ilk have inspired me to create a new article, Wikilante. I hope the fact that you have been the primary cause of this, causes you to give pause, and see how you have become a vigilante. I'm sure under different circumstances, we could be friends, and I still hope that we can forgive each other, and move in that direction. Hurry, rush and nominate it for deletion before someone else does. Sincerely Johnski 07:56, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Hello, Johnski. I'm sorry, I wish I could help, but I will be away over the weekend and I cannot be tied up in any issues right now. You can still file an RfC yourself (just go to WP:RFC and follow the instructions there), or, better yet, you may want to request for someone to help work out your differences with Davidpdx at WP:M. Again, I'm sorry I cannot be of assistance right now. Rob e rt T | @ | C 22:33, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
There is consensus and glad to see we cleared up part of our misunderstanding Dear Davidpdx, there is consensus over the fact that the Iroijlaplap of Taongi did grant DOM a 50 years sovereign lease, so please stop removing that fact from the article. It is in the protected article and has been in every article about DOM for months.
I'm glad that we were able to clear up that I had reason to believe you had approved one of the versions here. Thank you for your honesty. SincerelyJohnski 17:50, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Gentlemen, I'll tell you what, you disclose your IP addresses, I'll disclose mine. If you agree, I'll disclose mine first. Otherwise, myself and others might be led to believe you have something to hide. I see that KAJ was a leader in that regard, and you were not forthcoming in showing the same good faith. Sincerely, Johnski 05:55, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Dear David, would you be interested in mediation under a wiki mediator? If so this could avoid the more difficult process of arbitration. Sincerely, Johnski 07:20, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
09:38, 27 October 2005 Sjakkalle deleted "Wikilante" (content was: '{{deletebecause|Recreated after speedy deletion, created by a disgruntled user}}A Wikilante is a rogue member of the Wikipedian community that takes ...')
Hello, Sjakkalle, I'm not distruntled. I am disapointed by the phenomena of wikilantism I found from another member of this community, and think the newly created word helps to identify that activity. After creating it, it dawned on me that bringing it to the wikilante's attention, he might communicate with me, which worked a little. When I went to look at the article newly created it was gone, so published it again, but since found the deletion notice after finding it gone once more. Is it possible to suggest this as an article? Can you help me to mediate with the one showing the Wikilante behavior. Johnski 07:14, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
hi, in response to your message, as you'll see my only edit was changing "United States Securities and Exchange Commission" to " U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission", as part of a clean up of links. I don't know much about the DOM, and certainly not enough to get into any debates over it. Hope the dispute gets sorted though. DocendoDiscimus 08:19, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
E-mail for you, Johnski. Cheers, SlimVirgin (talk) 23:45, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
You have been requested to appear as a defendant in an arbitration case against you. You can file any comments on your own behalf at: [1] Davidpdx 08:42, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
I have posted a long reply on the DOM talk page. You should fix the comments you made so they do not intrude on others. As I stated on the talk page, it makes it difficult to see who said what when someone does that.
I also pointed out, no one should be editing the article while we are waiting for a decision from arbitration. If you persist, I'll ask for a TRO or for the page to be protected again. This should be common sense. It would be nice gesture if you would refrain from editing any of the articles mentioned in the arbitration filing. Davidpdx 13:41, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Just to let you know, you should't be commenting on other peoples statements in arbitration. I made the same mistake and it was removed by one of the arbitration committee members shortly after I put a comment under your statement. You recently put a statement under Gene_Poole's comments and I commented under your rebuttle that your comments should also be removed. Davidpdx 14:49, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Johnski has been accepted. Please place evidence at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Johnski/Evidence. Proposals and comments may be made at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Johnski/Workshop. Fred Bauder 04:11, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
I wouldn't get too excited at this point. I may have jumped the gun at offering this as a solution. At best, it seems like I'm getting a lackluster response in terms of a consensus. If I could put together a group of at least four people (five including you and myself), that would agree this should be changed, I'd do it. At this point, if I did make the change I feel it's going to cause the situation to blow up and get worse.
Honestly, looking at the arbitration page, it appears that the case is going to be heard and pretty soon. Last time I looked it was 3/1/0 which means one more vote is needed to hear the case. There is one other case in line ahead of us, so I think that by the end of the week this is going to go forward. Right now, I'm asking for a cease fire. As I said, I've left messages with several other people and I'm not hearing anyone that is wild about the idea. I wish I could have come up with something. Davidpdx 13:47, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Please consider reverting the weird changes that this user is making to the DoM article so that I don't violate 3RR. Thanks. - EDM 02:14, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm tired of playing your games.
In this edit, you state, "Certainly your hatred for Christian Science affects your judgment here?" That's completely unfounded and irrelevant, to boot.
As long as you let such unfounded and irrational comments stand, I will not participate in discussions with you other than where may be necessary on an article talk page, since it is clear that you will willingly ignore what I say, misread what I say, add your own opinions and assumptions to what I say, and misrepresent what I say. Since I have never said anything about Christian Science, it ought to be clear to anyone that that is the case here. In the future I suggest that if you want to assert anything on Wikipedia about my feelings, opinions, or previous statements that you post a link to a diff confirming what you are saying or else not say it. Jdavidb ( talk • contribs) 21:01, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Couple more comments:
It might be wise not to assume you know the general attitude or belief of any particular church or religion based on what any one member says. In my experience you have to have a lot of data points to know what a religion beliefs: official texts and statements, perspective from practicing officials or teachers of the religion, perspective of multiple average members, and perspective from members in different locations due to differences in geography. These different data points don't always agree. If you've only got a statement from one person, you almost never have enough to determine what a particular religion believes.
All my life until a couple of years ago my grandparents lived across the street from a couple who were members of Christian Science. They had the same surname as my fourth grade science teacher who often made comments that made me think he was probably also a member of Christian Science, and I suspect possibly a relative of theirs. My grandparents always spoke fondly of that couple, though they never got to be more than just neighborhood acquaintances. There was never any animosity over religion in evidence from either side, and certainly not hatred. Jdavidb ( talk • contribs) 04:51, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
I have nothing to say, other then what is being said at arbitration. Yes, you did call me spineless. Davidpdx 01:20, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
I think you'll do better to wait until the outcome of the arbitration before attempting to edit on this subject again, and/or to propose all changes you want to make on the talk page and obtain consensus before proceeding. Jdavidb ( talk • contribs) 14:03, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Have you seen the proposed arbcom ruling? It says, "The locus of this dispute is edit warring and POV editing of Dominion of Melchizedek and related articles. The edit warring is sustained, and marked by aggressive editing by Johnski and a host of apparent associates."
Then it says, "Johnski, and his numerous puppets, are reasonably believed to be associated with the Dominion of Melchizedek and are capable of using a wide variety of IPs to access Wikipedia."
And finally, "Dominion of Melchizedek and associated articles, shall be semi-protected. If necessary, Johnski, or any other editor believed by an administrator to be a sockpuppet or meatpuppet of Johnski, may be blocked indefinitely by any administrator."
You have three times inserted the same thing against consensus. I am blocking you indefinitely. Tom Harrison Talk 22:11, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
You have been blocked from editing for violating Wikipedia policy against sustained and aggressive edit warring. To contest this block, please reply here on your talk page by adding the text {{unblock}} along with the reason you believe the block is unjustified, or email the blocking administrator or any administrator from this list. Note to sysops: Unblocking yourself should almost never be done. If you disagree with the block, contact another administrator. -- Tom Harrison Talk 22:32, 26 January 2006 (UTC)