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Hi! Just a short message to let you know I have reverted your last edit to the Meltham article. The external links only needed to be corrected, the Textron page location had changed and the David Brown Tractor Club has a new Website.
Additionally I have deleted the sports person John Stead from the notables list. There was consensus some time back that the list was to large. BlueValour created the category Category:People from Huddersfield to use instead, which allows far more names to be added. Richard Harvey 23:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
- Yea, no problem, theres a couple of dead links in the body text as well that you might want to change, one about the Brown family and one about Coats Viyella. Thanks. Joe p15 10:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
- Sorted! I assume you meant the Brook Family not Brown. The weblink for them was an Irish Archive retrieval system, which has changed, I have therefore replaced the link to one for St James church in Meltham where the Brook family is buried and the website mentions some historical info on them. Richard Harvey 10:06, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi! I've moved the images on the page back into gallery format. When I originally uploaded them I spread them around the page within the various sections they related to as normally seen in a hard copy encyclopaedia. However over time this proves to be a problem with the page layout. Often with image frames overlapping text, depending on the readers monitor resolution and varying text edits. Thus the images end up being constantly resized, or moved around the page, depending on individual editors preferences. Consensus has shown that one large image near the top of the page, often in the infobox unless it makes it to long, with the others lower down the page in gallery format allows text to flow, without the constant need to keep re-editing the individual images. I used to get frustrated trying to keep redoing the page formats to let the images be seen easily, until a senior editor advised: "This isn't a hard copy book, so the page format is not the same". Richard Harvey 09:05, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I have seen the table you are in the middle of placing on the Sheffield speedway page. Looks good. Can I make one suggestion though. Instead of putting the rider biographies on that page, can you make the wiki artciles for each of the riders and link to those instead. The bios really aren't relevant to the Sheffield team page and there is a template about for rider pages. Will probably be quicker for you in the long run. I will eventually get round to doing them but its slow going.
This may interest you too .. {{ User:Radzinski/SpeedwayFan}}
Hammer1980 14:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I like the squad template. I have been working out how to do that myself but I dont understand all that techie stuff !! I have showed you good work to another editor who made the speedway templates and asked him if he could make a dedicated speedway template based on yours. Hope you don't mind. I would then add to all the riders so far.
Maybe each team should have its own year template ? What do you think? Hammer1980 22:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Cheers. Thats what I based the speedway one on, football, then Foxhill made it a generic speedway one. You a Tigers fan I take it ? Hammer1980 22:22, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I added sources on your new articles so they don't get tagged for speedy deletion ! Hammer1980 22:44, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Squad template made by Foxhill. I have edited the Sheffield template to the new code. It works really well. He has made your good design easuer for idiots like me to use ! Hammer1980 13:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
You think its worth putting the squad templates on the relevant club pages too ? Hammer1980 22:16, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I have to say I'm not convinced the Sporting Siblings category is an encyclopedic way to organize articles on Wikipedia. Could you outline your reasons for creating the category? I've already removed several individuals who do not have a sibling verified as notable, and this could be a recurring problem. Deiz talk 11:08, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry didn't realise !! Didn't notice it was alphabetical either !! I have put some of the refernce links in your latest rider posts so they are not deleted but have nothing for Charlie Venegas. Have you got a ref we can add ? Hammer1980 23:46, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Good work on adding siblinbgs and removing single articles.. maybe it has a future. FYI your page on Charle Venegas looks fine, simple details, establishes notability, appropriate external link. Deiz talk 00:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Joe, the reason I changed the spelling is purely down to the name of the WP article, spelt Younis. Cricinfo and CricketArchive (the two main resources used by WP:CRIC) also have him listed as Younis.
The fact that Khan himself spells it Younus is what's stopped me from changing it again, so thanks for bringing that to my attention. AMBerry ( talk | contribs) 23:15, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I see you've set up a new infobox for current Test cricketers which includes biographical details. I've raised this at WT:CRIC, where there has been considerable previous discussion about infoboxes and where WP:CRIC members may have views. There are a few thousand past and present Test cricketers, so getting the project's consensus on this is probably wise, because all of the bios should, as far as possible, be similar in layout. It'd be good to hear from you on the project talk page why you think this is a beneficial change and what proposals you have for rolling this out across the other cricket bios.
BTW, I see from your updated Monty Panesar that the info is said to be correct to today's date. I'm unclear whether that means you've included the stats from the current England v India match or not. The past convention has been to wait for the match to be concluded before updating stats of this kind to avoid confusion.
Your infoboxes on the English county cricket clubs are, in my view, very good. This new one looks good too, but let's get a consensus on it. Johnlp 22:05, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Joe,
Can you take a look at my attempt at expanding the infobox, User:Mdcollins1984/Sandbox3, demo here. Ignoring the flag issue, if you like the International section, and the improved clubnumber function (reducing the space issues) it might be an idea to merge it back to the original template, to ease the discussion at WP:CRIC.
Best, – MDCollins ( talk) 12:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- I like it - see what User:AllynJ thinks, his isn't working properly atm! (Let me know what he says!) I'm trying to sort the current-club issue to make historic players easier. Minor implementing issues can be attacked I think, but as you say, put the other cosmetic issues on hold. – MDCollins ( talk) 14:22, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Looks fine to me as it is there. :) May still be a bit big when put in to action proper, but it's probably a better way of doing it full stop, even without formatting issues etc. AllynJ 14:41, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- Just so you're aware, I've reverted the handful of infobox changes you've made so far, as we keep messing with it so they display badly. Can redo them when (and if) we go live proper. – MDCollins ( talk) 15:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the encouragement in your edit summary - as you can read at WT:CRIC, all four columns are optional, so any combination from just one to all four are now read to implement. The code is still seperate from the infobox awaiting checking - god it's a mess...- and I can't get coloured headers yet, but think that's just me.
- Unfortunately it will mean editing the columns of the rest of the table, as it will be a darn sight easier to work with them than the new section with variable column settings. Still not sure how to work that yet, but we can have a think. Basically the colspan functions for the debuts/club info etc won't work as it stands, but its a small detail to correct compared to the effort in having optional columns. Works though!! – MDCollins ( talk) 00:54, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
- Excellent, thanks for the death thing - confused me for a minute cos it wasn't working. More examples in your sandbox.
- We're getting there, but there is always something else. I've experimented by implementing the First-class debut/final first-class match info for the non-internationals. I quite like the info as it gives an idea to the length of a career. I decided that to include it for internationals as well gets a bit much and a bit long, but have a looked. I've changed your sandbox6, demonstrated in Rasid and Lyttleton (Sandbox2).– MDCollins ( talk) 01:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- I think I left it like that so that it would only be a 'final' test, and omitted for current players. Just trying to stop the semi-editing that goes on after every Test match leading to partially correct, but mostly wrong, infoboxes. (Remember that most people only add to the runs column!)– MDCollins ( talk) 11:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Beware that having implemented a rudimentary choose the column headers yourself sort of arrangement, the field names have had to change I'm afraid. I'm assuming User:Joe p15/Sandbox is the current version...
- Go on, you have a go! Have finally managed to figure out how to fix the columns widths, but still some issues. If colspan works with the switch command, I'm still considering a ...wait for it... 13 column table!! Explain later if needs be. The stats columns still seem irregular depending on how many are there, the width is also influenced by those massive debut rows, although they've started wrapping now. Not sure what to do about those.
- Have a play. – MDCollins ( talk) 15:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, revert to a decent version it if you need to, I'll make a copy. – MDCollins ( talk)
- Good, but column 1 needs to be wider (5 wickets in a match and the Test cap thing...) Any solutions for the domestic debut such as the Lyttlton one, the only reason that two clubs are mentioned there are that his first first-class game wasn't for one of the two 'main FC clubs' mentioned above. Two lines maybe? Or leave it out completely....
- Started posting on my own page! <quote>Hmm, getting better. What happens if the First stats column was small and bold, just doesn't stand out like the others. I might try forcing a line break in the Lyttleton think just to tidy it up if its going to wrap anyway. I've also made a 'height' conversion update. Will do that now. –MDCollins (talk) 16:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)</quote>
- Anyway, done that, tried to implement female. Only real thing is to have an if command to put 'women' in the country/team link at the top, but I seem incapable of doing that! Same {{{female}}} can be used to link to the appropriate women caps article, although many are still red. A lot of redirects to find, but they can be done as they come up, like I have done for Australia women and Denmark women. Lets get this baby finished. – MDCollins ( talk) 19:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Hey! I've just seen your attempt to stop the wrapping - it hasn't quite worked (some of the dates now look silly). Haven't really got a solution though, other than making the domestic ones two rows by default - don't think the internationals wrap anyway. What do you think?
Have updated the documentation. I've also tweaked various bits of code to make it easier to manage, and more intuitive to implement. Watch out for small {{{field}}} changes, such as the removal of the 'domestic' option (it is now coded from the international function, one 'deliveries = balls/overs, removing the need for two separate options, and probably a few others. When you've had a look and checked it through, feel free to take it back to WT:CRIC. Well done. – MDCollins ( talk) 13:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi - just a pointer, when implementing the 'box, you might want a slightly more informative edit summary, such as 'Implement new infobox, see WT:CRIC, incase anyone has missed the discussion and tries to revert. Keep going lad, not too many more to go... </sighs>. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mdcollins1984 ( talk • contribs) 23:19:10, August 19, 2007 (UTC).
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Hi! Just a short message to let you know I have reverted your last edit to the Meltham article. The external links only needed to be corrected, the Textron page location had changed and the David Brown Tractor Club has a new Website.
Additionally I have deleted the sports person John Stead from the notables list. There was consensus some time back that the list was to large. BlueValour created the category Category:People from Huddersfield to use instead, which allows far more names to be added. Richard Harvey 23:44, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
- Yea, no problem, theres a couple of dead links in the body text as well that you might want to change, one about the Brown family and one about Coats Viyella. Thanks. Joe p15 10:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
- Sorted! I assume you meant the Brook Family not Brown. The weblink for them was an Irish Archive retrieval system, which has changed, I have therefore replaced the link to one for St James church in Meltham where the Brook family is buried and the website mentions some historical info on them. Richard Harvey 10:06, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
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Hello. I have seen the table you are in the middle of placing on the Sheffield speedway page. Looks good. Can I make one suggestion though. Instead of putting the rider biographies on that page, can you make the wiki artciles for each of the riders and link to those instead. The bios really aren't relevant to the Sheffield team page and there is a template about for rider pages. Will probably be quicker for you in the long run. I will eventually get round to doing them but its slow going.
This may interest you too .. {{ User:Radzinski/SpeedwayFan}}
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I like the squad template. I have been working out how to do that myself but I dont understand all that techie stuff !! I have showed you good work to another editor who made the speedway templates and asked him if he could make a dedicated speedway template based on yours. Hope you don't mind. I would then add to all the riders so far.
Maybe each team should have its own year template ? What do you think? Hammer1980 22:17, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Cheers. Thats what I based the speedway one on, football, then Foxhill made it a generic speedway one. You a Tigers fan I take it ? Hammer1980 22:22, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
I added sources on your new articles so they don't get tagged for speedy deletion ! Hammer1980 22:44, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
Squad template made by Foxhill. I have edited the Sheffield template to the new code. It works really well. He has made your good design easuer for idiots like me to use ! Hammer1980 13:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
You think its worth putting the squad templates on the relevant club pages too ? Hammer1980 22:16, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
I have to say I'm not convinced the Sporting Siblings category is an encyclopedic way to organize articles on Wikipedia. Could you outline your reasons for creating the category? I've already removed several individuals who do not have a sibling verified as notable, and this could be a recurring problem. Deiz talk 11:08, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry didn't realise !! Didn't notice it was alphabetical either !! I have put some of the refernce links in your latest rider posts so they are not deleted but have nothing for Charlie Venegas. Have you got a ref we can add ? Hammer1980 23:46, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
Good work on adding siblinbgs and removing single articles.. maybe it has a future. FYI your page on Charle Venegas looks fine, simple details, establishes notability, appropriate external link. Deiz talk 00:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Joe, the reason I changed the spelling is purely down to the name of the WP article, spelt Younis. Cricinfo and CricketArchive (the two main resources used by WP:CRIC) also have him listed as Younis.
The fact that Khan himself spells it Younus is what's stopped me from changing it again, so thanks for bringing that to my attention. AMBerry ( talk | contribs) 23:15, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi. I see you've set up a new infobox for current Test cricketers which includes biographical details. I've raised this at WT:CRIC, where there has been considerable previous discussion about infoboxes and where WP:CRIC members may have views. There are a few thousand past and present Test cricketers, so getting the project's consensus on this is probably wise, because all of the bios should, as far as possible, be similar in layout. It'd be good to hear from you on the project talk page why you think this is a beneficial change and what proposals you have for rolling this out across the other cricket bios.
BTW, I see from your updated Monty Panesar that the info is said to be correct to today's date. I'm unclear whether that means you've included the stats from the current England v India match or not. The past convention has been to wait for the match to be concluded before updating stats of this kind to avoid confusion.
Your infoboxes on the English county cricket clubs are, in my view, very good. This new one looks good too, but let's get a consensus on it. Johnlp 22:05, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi Joe,
Can you take a look at my attempt at expanding the infobox, User:Mdcollins1984/Sandbox3, demo here. Ignoring the flag issue, if you like the International section, and the improved clubnumber function (reducing the space issues) it might be an idea to merge it back to the original template, to ease the discussion at WP:CRIC.
Best, – MDCollins ( talk) 12:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- I like it - see what User:AllynJ thinks, his isn't working properly atm! (Let me know what he says!) I'm trying to sort the current-club issue to make historic players easier. Minor implementing issues can be attacked I think, but as you say, put the other cosmetic issues on hold. – MDCollins ( talk) 14:22, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Looks fine to me as it is there. :) May still be a bit big when put in to action proper, but it's probably a better way of doing it full stop, even without formatting issues etc. AllynJ 14:41, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- Just so you're aware, I've reverted the handful of infobox changes you've made so far, as we keep messing with it so they display badly. Can redo them when (and if) we go live proper. – MDCollins ( talk) 15:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the encouragement in your edit summary - as you can read at WT:CRIC, all four columns are optional, so any combination from just one to all four are now read to implement. The code is still seperate from the infobox awaiting checking - god it's a mess...- and I can't get coloured headers yet, but think that's just me.
- Unfortunately it will mean editing the columns of the rest of the table, as it will be a darn sight easier to work with them than the new section with variable column settings. Still not sure how to work that yet, but we can have a think. Basically the colspan functions for the debuts/club info etc won't work as it stands, but its a small detail to correct compared to the effort in having optional columns. Works though!! – MDCollins ( talk) 00:54, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
- Excellent, thanks for the death thing - confused me for a minute cos it wasn't working. More examples in your sandbox.
- We're getting there, but there is always something else. I've experimented by implementing the First-class debut/final first-class match info for the non-internationals. I quite like the info as it gives an idea to the length of a career. I decided that to include it for internationals as well gets a bit much and a bit long, but have a looked. I've changed your sandbox6, demonstrated in Rasid and Lyttleton (Sandbox2).– MDCollins ( talk) 01:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- I think I left it like that so that it would only be a 'final' test, and omitted for current players. Just trying to stop the semi-editing that goes on after every Test match leading to partially correct, but mostly wrong, infoboxes. (Remember that most people only add to the runs column!)– MDCollins ( talk) 11:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Beware that having implemented a rudimentary choose the column headers yourself sort of arrangement, the field names have had to change I'm afraid. I'm assuming User:Joe p15/Sandbox is the current version...
- Go on, you have a go! Have finally managed to figure out how to fix the columns widths, but still some issues. If colspan works with the switch command, I'm still considering a ...wait for it... 13 column table!! Explain later if needs be. The stats columns still seem irregular depending on how many are there, the width is also influenced by those massive debut rows, although they've started wrapping now. Not sure what to do about those.
- Have a play. – MDCollins ( talk) 15:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Oh, revert to a decent version it if you need to, I'll make a copy. – MDCollins ( talk)
- Good, but column 1 needs to be wider (5 wickets in a match and the Test cap thing...) Any solutions for the domestic debut such as the Lyttlton one, the only reason that two clubs are mentioned there are that his first first-class game wasn't for one of the two 'main FC clubs' mentioned above. Two lines maybe? Or leave it out completely....
- Started posting on my own page! <quote>Hmm, getting better. What happens if the First stats column was small and bold, just doesn't stand out like the others. I might try forcing a line break in the Lyttleton think just to tidy it up if its going to wrap anyway. I've also made a 'height' conversion update. Will do that now. –MDCollins (talk) 16:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)</quote>
- Anyway, done that, tried to implement female. Only real thing is to have an if command to put 'women' in the country/team link at the top, but I seem incapable of doing that! Same {{{female}}} can be used to link to the appropriate women caps article, although many are still red. A lot of redirects to find, but they can be done as they come up, like I have done for Australia women and Denmark women. Lets get this baby finished. – MDCollins ( talk) 19:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
- Hey! I've just seen your attempt to stop the wrapping - it hasn't quite worked (some of the dates now look silly). Haven't really got a solution though, other than making the domestic ones two rows by default - don't think the internationals wrap anyway. What do you think?
Have updated the documentation. I've also tweaked various bits of code to make it easier to manage, and more intuitive to implement. Watch out for small {{{field}}} changes, such as the removal of the 'domestic' option (it is now coded from the international function, one 'deliveries = balls/overs, removing the need for two separate options, and probably a few others. When you've had a look and checked it through, feel free to take it back to WT:CRIC. Well done. – MDCollins ( talk) 13:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Hi - just a pointer, when implementing the 'box, you might want a slightly more informative edit summary, such as 'Implement new infobox, see WT:CRIC, incase anyone has missed the discussion and tries to revert. Keep going lad, not too many more to go... </sighs>. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mdcollins1984 ( talk • contribs) 23:19:10, August 19, 2007 (UTC).
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This bot DID NOT nominate any file(s) for deletion; please refer to the page history of each individual file for details. Thanks, FastilyBot ( talk) 01:01, 20 July 2019 (UTC)