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You did a great job on all your maps. I salute you! Speaking of which, would you happen to have a map of Monmouth County with all township boarders? I'm a resident of Marlboro Township. Thanks.
Thanks for the geology map! Jmpenzone 20:40, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi Jim, I saw your recent uploads of Image:Andover boro nj.jpg and Image:Andover twp nj.jpg and I was wondering where the map data came from, and what tools you used to put it together. I'd like to make similar maps for other areas. Thanks. -- ChrisRuvolo ( t) 01:59, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi Jim, I also appreciated your maps for Sussex County and the ones that seem to be appearing as I type for Passaic County. I have been part of a small group working on Wikiproject New Jersey, a project aimed at filling in the holes and expanding the details regarding New Jersey in all its aspects. While there are portions of the state covered by your maps, and those ChrisRuvolo has created, we could definitely use maps for all of the 566 municipalities in the state (plus the CDPs and unincorporated areas if possible). Any assistance that you could provide in creating and uploading maps, or in providing guidance in their creation, would be most appreciated. We could divvy up the map creation work so that we can ensure that the whole state is covered, and not just by one or two people. Alansohn 21:21, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I think the maps are great, and I see that Warren County is underway. My only question is that on some of the maps, particularly for smaller municipalities (e.g., Belvidere, New Jersey), it can be hard to distinguish between the highlighted municipality and the rest of the county. Is there any way to change the colors to improve the contrast? Other than that, keep up the great work! Alansohn 01:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
I wanted to thank you for your work on maps of New Jersey's census-designated places. I had been searching for weeks to find a source that explains where the CDPs are, and if they are coextensive with a muncipality, within a municiplaity or in two municipalities. I had just found the data on the United States Census Bureau web site, and i will be following up to update county, CDP and municipality pages (as you and I have both been doing) and ensure that all CDPs are properly referenced. thanks for picking up my Lake Mohawk, New Jersey mistake. Alansohn 00:53, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
1) You seem to be a step ahead of me in associating CDPs with townships on the county pages. I am going through each county, in alpha order, and updating the pages for each CDP to list the parent munipality (or municipalities, as may be the case), and for each parent township to list the CDP (or CDPs or portions thereof) contained within. 2) How should we deal with trivial CDPs, where the Township and CDP are the same. In almost all cases where the CDP and township name match, they are one and the same. Some of these (e.g. East Brunswick, New Jersey) have pages for both and are listed on the County page, but most aren't. Should we even bother to keep the trivial CDPs where they exist? In some cases, only the Township page exists, but it indicates that it's both a Township and a CDP. Do we need to list the CDP status? But note that Cranbury Township, New Jersey and Cranbury, New Jersey are not the same. 3) I will be creating a List of census-designated places in New Jersey that would show all of the non-trivial CDPs, perhaps grouped by county within Township. 4) There is an entry for a CDP Titusville, New Jersey in Mercer County, New Jersey under Hopewell Township, New Jersey that doesn't seem to exist on the Census Bureau website? Any thoughts? --- Thanks for your work and any assistance or suggestions that you can provide Alansohn 22:20, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
There are many examples of CDPs and Townships with the same name. Most of these are what we've been calling "Trivial CDPs," where the CDP and Township are one and the same. In these cases, I have been ignoring the Township's CDP status. There are also a number of cases where the pair has the same name, but the two are not identical. I've seen this for Lakewood Township, New Jersey, and also for a bunch of pairs in Salem County: Alloway Township, New Jersey, Carneys Point Township, New Jersey and Pennsville Township, New Jersey. In all four of these cases, there had been two similarly named pages Lakewood Township, New Jersey (the township) and Lakewood, New Jersey (the CDP). In each case, I created a unique page for the CDP (e.g., Lakewood CDP, New Jersey) and changed Lakewood, New Jersey to a redirect to Lakewood Township, New Jersey. Many people had assumed that Lakewood, New Jersey was the page for the township and had been actively updating that page. All updates on the CDP pages were moved to the Township page, and all references to the Township being a CDP were removed from the Township pages. I will do the same if I find any other such pairs, and change any references on the County pages to link to the CDP pages. Alansohn 12:37, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
The county index maps distinguish between a "Township" and an "Incorporated Place." Aren't we perpetuating the Census Bureau's miscategorization of New Jersey Townships as unincorporated places? Is there any way to mark the Incorporated Places as Boroughs / Cities / Towns / Villages, perhaps using a different color for each category? Alansohn 12:37, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm up to Sussex County (only two more to go regarding linking CDPs to their townships). There was a page for Highland Lake, New Jersey that was set up to redirect to Highland Lakes, New Jersey. I checked my data, your info and the Census Bureau web site, and they all had Highland Lake. So I switched the pages so that Highland Lakes, New Jersey is a redirect to the Highland Lake, New Jersey CDP page. It turns out that the USPS has a Highland Lakes post office in Sussex, which I assume overlaps with the Highland Lake CDP. These situations do crop up. I'm thinking of changing the Highland Lakes, New Jersey page to say it's the ZIP Code for 07422 in Sussex and have wikilinks to Vernon Township, New Jersey and reference the Highland Lake, New Jersey CDP page. Sound reasonable? Alansohn 14:39, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Image:Hudson County, New Jersey Municipalities.png is a nice map, only if You could add some information like where the map data came from, and what tools you used to put it together -- for reference to others there (and in future maps too?). Thanks. feydey 17:37, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Now that we have made it through MCDs and CDPs, there seems to be one more primary source of other unincorporated communities: ZIP Codes. While it seems that it's tough to get the ZIP Code mapping data from the USPS, perhaps we can use the Census Bureau's ZIP Code Tabulation Areas (ZCTAs), which are intended to correspond to the areas covered by the ZIP Codes. The relevant page from the Census Bureau seems to indicate that they have the TIGER/Line® files with updated national ZCTAs reflecting U.S. Postal Service ZIP Code changes through October, 2002. If this is the case, couldn't you do your magic to create maps showing the ZCTA and the relationship between the Zip Code / ZCTA and the parent municipality (or municipalities). Many ZIP Codes / ZCTAs will be trivial, one-to-one matches to municipalities. But there are loads of non-trivial relationships. Many people say that they "live" in their ZIP Code, not in their municipality. There are hundreds more Zip Codes than MCDs and CDPs combined. Any thoughts? Maybe trying a few samples? Alansohn 03:25, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
I have a question about your map for Essex County that lists basically two categories: Incorporated Place and Township. This can be really confusing...
I guess I never fully understood this myself, but it was my understanding that in New Jersey all townships are considered "Incorporated" as per the Home Rule Act of 1917 (see Township (New Jersey)). Actually, this act places Cities, Villages, Towns, Townships, and Boroughs all on equal legal footing.
Effectively, it seems that there is no 'unincorportaed' place...
Sorry... didn't mean the last message to sound critical...
Roodog2k [[User_talk:Roodog2k | (Hello there!)]] 17:33, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I noticed your redundant images were orphaned, so I listed them as candidates for speedy deletion. I originaly placed a warning template on your talk page for two of them before realizing you created the originals. -- ThrashedParanoid 01:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Did you really create that Maine map all by yourself? Gator (talk) 19:15, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
On the map you provided for Hawthorne, NJ, you labeled route 208 as route 20. Route 20 does not, at any point, traverse Hawthorne. (Route 20 ends just south of Hawthorne in Paterson.) If you would like to verify that, you can go to MapQuest and look up a map of Hawthorne and the surrounding area.
I noticed the error only because I used to live in Hawthorne and traveled both route 208 and route 20 on almost a daily basis.
Great maps. I am working on the county templates, and my personal interest is in the unincorporated historical enclaves. How shoud I go about finding the borders of places like Six Mile Run, New Jersey and putting it on a map? I see someone has asked a similar question. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 01:27, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm wondering if you'd be interested in creating a map for the
New York, Susquehanna and Western Railway article. The article is sort of confusing for someone who doesn't know the route through NJ, or elsewhere for that matter. Would you be able to make an entire route map, a route map in sections, or just a NJ map? Thanks for considering!
Kether83
05:04, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
what program do you use to create the maps? i.e. like the one at the Stillwater Township, New Jersey article? — ExplorerCDT 17:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Jim, Thanks for your prompt answer to my above question. Could you put together a map of the Paulins Kill, a tributary of the Delaware River, in Northwestern New Jersey for the article? If you need any information aside from that in the article, I'd be happy to provide it. I am aiming to nominate the article for featured article status, and several people have mentioned that a map is needed on the article. If you have the time, I'd be much obliged.— ExplorerCDT 20:17, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Jim, I just nominated your map for the Paulins Kill for Featured Pictures. The nomination can be found here: Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/Map_of_the_Paulins_Kill_and_its_Watershed. Simultaneously, Paulins Kill is a candidate for Featured Article status.
Again, I thank you. Your work has helped to make a great article. — ExplorerCDT 00:48, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Jim, I just noticed that you've uploaded some new SVG maps! They look great, thank you. Have you changed the software you use to render the maps? Can older PNG maps be replaced with SVG versions easily? Thanks. -- ChrisRuvolo ( t) 20:55, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Great maps on the Geography of New Jersey article. Thanks again! — ExplorerCDT 01:13, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
As of a few moments ago, Paulins Kill was promoted to Featured Article status. I just wanted to thank you for your contributions to and suggestions for improving the article over these past few months and that I appreciate your help in bringing this article to notice as a Featured Article. Once again, thank you, and keep up the good work. — ExplorerCDT 22:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
You wrote in (c) that you used custom Perl Script to calculate the population per square mile. Would it be possible to obtain this script? SanitySolipsism 15:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
More generally, could you be a bit more specific as to what data you used on the map (the urls for the data and what fields correspond to what data) SanitySolipsism 19:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
The map legend and map don't agree. The high density areas of New Hampshire are in the S.E. corner, while the low density areas are in the north. This map has it completely backwards. From the looks of other maps it appears though the legend is right, but the map coloration is wrong. See: Link to map here ( talk) 12:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello! You forgot to put a copyright tag on Image:Florida population map.png. :) -- Strangerer ( Talk) 02:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
You did a great job on all your maps. I salute you! Speaking of which, would you happen to have a map of Monmouth County with all township boarders? I'm a resident of Marlboro Township. Thanks.
Thanks for the geology map! Jmpenzone 20:40, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi Jim, I saw your recent uploads of Image:Andover boro nj.jpg and Image:Andover twp nj.jpg and I was wondering where the map data came from, and what tools you used to put it together. I'd like to make similar maps for other areas. Thanks. -- ChrisRuvolo ( t) 01:59, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi Jim, I also appreciated your maps for Sussex County and the ones that seem to be appearing as I type for Passaic County. I have been part of a small group working on Wikiproject New Jersey, a project aimed at filling in the holes and expanding the details regarding New Jersey in all its aspects. While there are portions of the state covered by your maps, and those ChrisRuvolo has created, we could definitely use maps for all of the 566 municipalities in the state (plus the CDPs and unincorporated areas if possible). Any assistance that you could provide in creating and uploading maps, or in providing guidance in their creation, would be most appreciated. We could divvy up the map creation work so that we can ensure that the whole state is covered, and not just by one or two people. Alansohn 21:21, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I think the maps are great, and I see that Warren County is underway. My only question is that on some of the maps, particularly for smaller municipalities (e.g., Belvidere, New Jersey), it can be hard to distinguish between the highlighted municipality and the rest of the county. Is there any way to change the colors to improve the contrast? Other than that, keep up the great work! Alansohn 01:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
I wanted to thank you for your work on maps of New Jersey's census-designated places. I had been searching for weeks to find a source that explains where the CDPs are, and if they are coextensive with a muncipality, within a municiplaity or in two municipalities. I had just found the data on the United States Census Bureau web site, and i will be following up to update county, CDP and municipality pages (as you and I have both been doing) and ensure that all CDPs are properly referenced. thanks for picking up my Lake Mohawk, New Jersey mistake. Alansohn 00:53, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
1) You seem to be a step ahead of me in associating CDPs with townships on the county pages. I am going through each county, in alpha order, and updating the pages for each CDP to list the parent munipality (or municipalities, as may be the case), and for each parent township to list the CDP (or CDPs or portions thereof) contained within. 2) How should we deal with trivial CDPs, where the Township and CDP are the same. In almost all cases where the CDP and township name match, they are one and the same. Some of these (e.g. East Brunswick, New Jersey) have pages for both and are listed on the County page, but most aren't. Should we even bother to keep the trivial CDPs where they exist? In some cases, only the Township page exists, but it indicates that it's both a Township and a CDP. Do we need to list the CDP status? But note that Cranbury Township, New Jersey and Cranbury, New Jersey are not the same. 3) I will be creating a List of census-designated places in New Jersey that would show all of the non-trivial CDPs, perhaps grouped by county within Township. 4) There is an entry for a CDP Titusville, New Jersey in Mercer County, New Jersey under Hopewell Township, New Jersey that doesn't seem to exist on the Census Bureau website? Any thoughts? --- Thanks for your work and any assistance or suggestions that you can provide Alansohn 22:20, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
There are many examples of CDPs and Townships with the same name. Most of these are what we've been calling "Trivial CDPs," where the CDP and Township are one and the same. In these cases, I have been ignoring the Township's CDP status. There are also a number of cases where the pair has the same name, but the two are not identical. I've seen this for Lakewood Township, New Jersey, and also for a bunch of pairs in Salem County: Alloway Township, New Jersey, Carneys Point Township, New Jersey and Pennsville Township, New Jersey. In all four of these cases, there had been two similarly named pages Lakewood Township, New Jersey (the township) and Lakewood, New Jersey (the CDP). In each case, I created a unique page for the CDP (e.g., Lakewood CDP, New Jersey) and changed Lakewood, New Jersey to a redirect to Lakewood Township, New Jersey. Many people had assumed that Lakewood, New Jersey was the page for the township and had been actively updating that page. All updates on the CDP pages were moved to the Township page, and all references to the Township being a CDP were removed from the Township pages. I will do the same if I find any other such pairs, and change any references on the County pages to link to the CDP pages. Alansohn 12:37, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
The county index maps distinguish between a "Township" and an "Incorporated Place." Aren't we perpetuating the Census Bureau's miscategorization of New Jersey Townships as unincorporated places? Is there any way to mark the Incorporated Places as Boroughs / Cities / Towns / Villages, perhaps using a different color for each category? Alansohn 12:37, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm up to Sussex County (only two more to go regarding linking CDPs to their townships). There was a page for Highland Lake, New Jersey that was set up to redirect to Highland Lakes, New Jersey. I checked my data, your info and the Census Bureau web site, and they all had Highland Lake. So I switched the pages so that Highland Lakes, New Jersey is a redirect to the Highland Lake, New Jersey CDP page. It turns out that the USPS has a Highland Lakes post office in Sussex, which I assume overlaps with the Highland Lake CDP. These situations do crop up. I'm thinking of changing the Highland Lakes, New Jersey page to say it's the ZIP Code for 07422 in Sussex and have wikilinks to Vernon Township, New Jersey and reference the Highland Lake, New Jersey CDP page. Sound reasonable? Alansohn 14:39, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Image:Hudson County, New Jersey Municipalities.png is a nice map, only if You could add some information like where the map data came from, and what tools you used to put it together -- for reference to others there (and in future maps too?). Thanks. feydey 17:37, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Now that we have made it through MCDs and CDPs, there seems to be one more primary source of other unincorporated communities: ZIP Codes. While it seems that it's tough to get the ZIP Code mapping data from the USPS, perhaps we can use the Census Bureau's ZIP Code Tabulation Areas (ZCTAs), which are intended to correspond to the areas covered by the ZIP Codes. The relevant page from the Census Bureau seems to indicate that they have the TIGER/Line® files with updated national ZCTAs reflecting U.S. Postal Service ZIP Code changes through October, 2002. If this is the case, couldn't you do your magic to create maps showing the ZCTA and the relationship between the Zip Code / ZCTA and the parent municipality (or municipalities). Many ZIP Codes / ZCTAs will be trivial, one-to-one matches to municipalities. But there are loads of non-trivial relationships. Many people say that they "live" in their ZIP Code, not in their municipality. There are hundreds more Zip Codes than MCDs and CDPs combined. Any thoughts? Maybe trying a few samples? Alansohn 03:25, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
I have a question about your map for Essex County that lists basically two categories: Incorporated Place and Township. This can be really confusing...
I guess I never fully understood this myself, but it was my understanding that in New Jersey all townships are considered "Incorporated" as per the Home Rule Act of 1917 (see Township (New Jersey)). Actually, this act places Cities, Villages, Towns, Townships, and Boroughs all on equal legal footing.
Effectively, it seems that there is no 'unincorportaed' place...
Sorry... didn't mean the last message to sound critical...
Roodog2k [[User_talk:Roodog2k | (Hello there!)]] 17:33, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I noticed your redundant images were orphaned, so I listed them as candidates for speedy deletion. I originaly placed a warning template on your talk page for two of them before realizing you created the originals. -- ThrashedParanoid 01:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
Did you really create that Maine map all by yourself? Gator (talk) 19:15, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
On the map you provided for Hawthorne, NJ, you labeled route 208 as route 20. Route 20 does not, at any point, traverse Hawthorne. (Route 20 ends just south of Hawthorne in Paterson.) If you would like to verify that, you can go to MapQuest and look up a map of Hawthorne and the surrounding area.
I noticed the error only because I used to live in Hawthorne and traveled both route 208 and route 20 on almost a daily basis.
Great maps. I am working on the county templates, and my personal interest is in the unincorporated historical enclaves. How shoud I go about finding the borders of places like Six Mile Run, New Jersey and putting it on a map? I see someone has asked a similar question. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 01:27, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm wondering if you'd be interested in creating a map for the
New York, Susquehanna and Western Railway article. The article is sort of confusing for someone who doesn't know the route through NJ, or elsewhere for that matter. Would you be able to make an entire route map, a route map in sections, or just a NJ map? Thanks for considering!
Kether83
05:04, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
what program do you use to create the maps? i.e. like the one at the Stillwater Township, New Jersey article? — ExplorerCDT 17:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Jim, Thanks for your prompt answer to my above question. Could you put together a map of the Paulins Kill, a tributary of the Delaware River, in Northwestern New Jersey for the article? If you need any information aside from that in the article, I'd be happy to provide it. I am aiming to nominate the article for featured article status, and several people have mentioned that a map is needed on the article. If you have the time, I'd be much obliged.— ExplorerCDT 20:17, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Jim, I just nominated your map for the Paulins Kill for Featured Pictures. The nomination can be found here: Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/Map_of_the_Paulins_Kill_and_its_Watershed. Simultaneously, Paulins Kill is a candidate for Featured Article status.
Again, I thank you. Your work has helped to make a great article. — ExplorerCDT 00:48, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Jim, I just noticed that you've uploaded some new SVG maps! They look great, thank you. Have you changed the software you use to render the maps? Can older PNG maps be replaced with SVG versions easily? Thanks. -- ChrisRuvolo ( t) 20:55, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Great maps on the Geography of New Jersey article. Thanks again! — ExplorerCDT 01:13, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
As of a few moments ago, Paulins Kill was promoted to Featured Article status. I just wanted to thank you for your contributions to and suggestions for improving the article over these past few months and that I appreciate your help in bringing this article to notice as a Featured Article. Once again, thank you, and keep up the good work. — ExplorerCDT 22:46, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
You wrote in (c) that you used custom Perl Script to calculate the population per square mile. Would it be possible to obtain this script? SanitySolipsism 15:58, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
More generally, could you be a bit more specific as to what data you used on the map (the urls for the data and what fields correspond to what data) SanitySolipsism 19:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
The map legend and map don't agree. The high density areas of New Hampshire are in the S.E. corner, while the low density areas are in the north. This map has it completely backwards. From the looks of other maps it appears though the legend is right, but the map coloration is wrong. See: Link to map here ( talk) 12:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello! You forgot to put a copyright tag on Image:Florida population map.png. :) -- Strangerer ( Talk) 02:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC)