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Master of Puppets Call me MoP! 02:36, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello Jaye9. Thanks for your question. Yes, 141 put the Sight and Sound quote in the article. I don't think it is good or appropriate, but 141 has thwarted all attempts to remove it. It's really good that you can check out things like this. Please feel free to ask me anything; I may want your help too! Rikstar ( talk) 17:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
The Arbcom case has been filed. [1] Steve Pastor ( talk) 16:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't get to see your recent posts sooner. 141 has now quoted them in his response of May 18, so it would not be right to change them. Rikstar ( talk) 00:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Are you referring to citations, like this? [1] See WP:CITE for more information with those, and if you need any help I can help you set them up as I'm fairly good with them. Also, to edit under another user's comments from before, just click the "edit" button to the right of the screen, over the section header; this will let you edit that section alone. Hope that helps, Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 22:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Hey! Hmm, that's strange; do you mean your computer signed you out by itself? In that case, your internet connection may have reset itself while you were looking at a page, and Wikipedia automatically signed you out because you don't have the "keep me signed in" button checked (it's on the log in screen). Otherwise, I'm not sure. I'll go sign your comment, though. Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 13:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey Jaye, just wanted to let you know I got your message this morning. Don't worry about not getting back to me till now, life takes priority! :) I think we decided to leave out most of the original 74-76 section because we felt there were too many conflicting reports, especially about the fight at Tahoe, but if you can add anything to it with new, referenced information that you think would benefit the article then I'd support that. About that thing you read that I might find interesting, I'd love to read it. You can leave it on my talk page and I'll have a look at it as soon as I can. Many thanks. ElvisFan1981 ( talk) 08:22, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello! Sounds like you got some good material for the Beatles meeting. ElvisFan suggested a new section on famous people he met but I don't think it wouldn work; it would just be like a list - Elvis met x in 1958, worked with y in 1961, met z in 1964, etc. There has to be something significant about the encounter for it to be given a mention (like Nixon), although some famous names can be mentioned in passing. I think some of the stars he made films with should be put in "Acting career"; Walter Matthau, Barbara Stanwyck, Angela Landsbury, etc. Rikstar ( talk) 05:41, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Letting you know I clicked around on that site and... couldn't really find a biography??? Steve Pastor ( talk) 20:32, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry Jaye, I've been away and/or learning about linux. Thnx for your message - will get back to you when I can. Rikstar ( talk) 23:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Jaye, I've tried to check out the links you gave me, but I can't see any in-depth material about what you've mentioned. The link: "entertainment.howstuffworks.com/elvis-presley-biography.htm/printable-443k,heading Howstuffworks "Elvis Presley Biography" just leads me to a few brief sites of photos, songs, etc., but no real biographical detail relevant to Bill Burke, myth busting, etc. or any of the other stuff you have mentioned. Hope you can clarify. Rikstar ( talk) 13:39, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
- ElvisFan1981 ( talk) 22:20, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Jaye, that's really nice. Same to you. :) ElvisFan1981 ( talk) 10:00, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Enthusiasm! Isn't it about time we had some of that about this darn article?! I'm gonna post a link to my sandbox on the main talkpage; people can then add comments there. Thanks for your support. Rikstar ( talk) 00:57, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your support, Jaye. I also lost any real interest in this article a while back, which made me think there's something fundamentally wrong with the format - not just our over-familiarity with the content. Wikipedia should have lots of interesting, well-sourced facts and anecdotes, but with Elvis, there's too much, and so there's always too much argument about what to include. I may make more changes to the sandbox version, but nothing major probably. Rikstar 409 09:54, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Rikstar, thanks for your comments. I'm replying on my talk page to you,as I carn't respond to your talk page for some reason. Yeah,what can you say,I'm exhausted just thinking about it,but we will get there. I appreciate why you don't want to tackle the main page,we'll just see what happens. Let me say one thing to you if I may,you are a very intuitive person,you know as much as I do what's going on here. It's as transparent as rice paper. However, we have to show good faith at all times,those are the rules. No personal opinions,just reliable sources. This may be a strange thing to say to you,but you need the material to combat certain topics that particular editors are interested in,if you get my drift. Let's start with,do you have these books: Soft cover Albert Goldman 1981,Elvis and the Memphis Mafia by Alana Nash,Down At The End Of Lonely Street by Broeske & Brown,that's a start. I want to be optimistic and say,we can get that Elvis sandbox version in as the main article. If we carn't, then I will try and tackle the main article,but I would greatly appreciate your help. These books and reading them are a start,should this be the case.--
Jaye9 (
talk) 14:50, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! -- SineBot ( talk) 02:21, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi Rikstar,
I've thought long and hard about this,but may I have your email address Rikstar,so as to converse with you about the Elvis article. I feel by doing so,it may or may not save as both alot of time and effort. Heck,anything is worth a try. If you would rather not,I'd perfectly understand. All the best.-- Jaye9 ( talk) 02:14, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Sorry Rik,
I don't quite know what I'm doing,I clicked on my preferences and of course it comes up with my details. I have enabled my email to be available as well. Sorry to be a pest,but could you help me with this please. I warn you though,I'm really dumb when it comes to computers.-- Jaye9 ( talk) 10:08, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Think I've worked it out,just sent you an e-mail,it's just a tester,hope you receive it okay Rikstar. If you want to e-mail me back when you get the time and will go from there.-- Jaye9 ( talk) 11:05, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Should you want to, you can now post on my talkpage. There was a glitch that a kind wikipedian sorted out very quickly. Rikstar 409 10:37, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments on my talk page. I'm glad that you didn't mistake what I wrote. It's so confusing sometimes with people adding to talk pages just where and how things are meant to be. I understand you being a little worn out with the whole conversation, it can be draining when it feels like you're talking to a brick wall. I don't dismiss anyone on the Elvis talk page, but sometimes information needs to be very carefully worked over before it can be even remotely suggested for inclusion in the article. It appears that many editors on Wikipedia are more interested in steam-rolling their ideas through rather than taking on board concerns of other editors. It's a little like real life I guess. I also believe that some editors get a kick out of trying to get an emotional response out of others, it's some kind of game to some of them.
I'm not suggesting that Goldman would have done this, or anyone who was involved in his book, but from experience I know that a lot of negative energy comes from people when they are offered cold, hard cash, and sometimes it can lead them to say things they don't really mean or say things out of context. Once it's out it's too late, though, and some journalists/authors will abuse this. I agree with you that those closest to Presley are probably the ones who really know what they're talking about, and their stories always do match up and are consistent. It would be so easy for any of them to do a tell all book and make it very negative, they wouldn't have anything to lose and Elvis certainly couldn't argue over it. But the fact that all of them only have positive things to say and that they dispute so many negative things said about Elvis leads me to believe that they aren't protecting his memory, they're only being honest about their experiences.
I hope that you enjoy your break, if you decide you need one (and I wouldn't blame you, I'm feeling the same lol) and return very soon. A lot of your input on the Presley article is very much appreciated and necessary. :) ElvisFan1981 ( talk) 12:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
That's what I keep telling myself when I'm on wikipedia, Jaye. It's good to see you still contributing on the Elvis talk page. I always remember that I'm in control of what happens to me on wikipedia; I don't have to respond to anyone, I don't have to discuss a topic with anyone and I certainly don't have to feel like they're superior to me in any way. If, at any time, you feel like responding to someone but you are a little annoyed at them or unsure of what to say, then take a breather, go away and practice in your head what you want to type, and then return when you are 100% certain it comes across calm and relaxed without fear of anyone thinking they've got to you. Also, don't forget that sometimes it's ok to be emotional about a subject you are passionate about :)
And I think I'll take you up on that offer of keeping in touch via email. I'll try to email you later today through your wiki account (I see it says "email this user" next to some names). ElvisFan1981 ( talk) 15:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I've found TV A Go Go to have the most thorough account of what was seen on the shows, and what is on the public record. It's like the author actually watched the kinescopes of the shows, which are of course now avaiable on dvd. What I have seen with my own eyes, and have included images of in the Sullivan article, is now in print so I have a written reference. Thank goodness for that. On the other topic, I have deleted the "junk" stuff from this and other sections repeatedly. I don't understand why other editors who have complained about it remaining in the article don't do the same. It's pretty frustrating to see it come back again and again. Steve Pastor ( talk) 20:51, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Steve Pastor ( talk) 20:45, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
The Barnstar of Perseverence | ||
There were some dark days during the editing and discussion of 'Elvis', but you showed great determination to see justice and fairness in the face of some, well, let's call them 'obstacles'. For all you have had to endure, I award you this barnstar. Richly deserved. Rikstar 409 04:43, 26 February 2010 (UTC) |
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Master of Puppets Call me MoP! 02:36, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Hello Jaye9. Thanks for your question. Yes, 141 put the Sight and Sound quote in the article. I don't think it is good or appropriate, but 141 has thwarted all attempts to remove it. It's really good that you can check out things like this. Please feel free to ask me anything; I may want your help too! Rikstar ( talk) 17:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
The Arbcom case has been filed. [1] Steve Pastor ( talk) 16:57, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't get to see your recent posts sooner. 141 has now quoted them in his response of May 18, so it would not be right to change them. Rikstar ( talk) 00:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Are you referring to citations, like this? [1] See WP:CITE for more information with those, and if you need any help I can help you set them up as I'm fairly good with them. Also, to edit under another user's comments from before, just click the "edit" button to the right of the screen, over the section header; this will let you edit that section alone. Hope that helps, Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 22:41, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Hey! Hmm, that's strange; do you mean your computer signed you out by itself? In that case, your internet connection may have reset itself while you were looking at a page, and Wikipedia automatically signed you out because you don't have the "keep me signed in" button checked (it's on the log in screen). Otherwise, I'm not sure. I'll go sign your comment, though. Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP!☺ 13:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey Jaye, just wanted to let you know I got your message this morning. Don't worry about not getting back to me till now, life takes priority! :) I think we decided to leave out most of the original 74-76 section because we felt there were too many conflicting reports, especially about the fight at Tahoe, but if you can add anything to it with new, referenced information that you think would benefit the article then I'd support that. About that thing you read that I might find interesting, I'd love to read it. You can leave it on my talk page and I'll have a look at it as soon as I can. Many thanks. ElvisFan1981 ( talk) 08:22, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello! Sounds like you got some good material for the Beatles meeting. ElvisFan suggested a new section on famous people he met but I don't think it wouldn work; it would just be like a list - Elvis met x in 1958, worked with y in 1961, met z in 1964, etc. There has to be something significant about the encounter for it to be given a mention (like Nixon), although some famous names can be mentioned in passing. I think some of the stars he made films with should be put in "Acting career"; Walter Matthau, Barbara Stanwyck, Angela Landsbury, etc. Rikstar ( talk) 05:41, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Letting you know I clicked around on that site and... couldn't really find a biography??? Steve Pastor ( talk) 20:32, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Sorry Jaye, I've been away and/or learning about linux. Thnx for your message - will get back to you when I can. Rikstar ( talk) 23:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Jaye, I've tried to check out the links you gave me, but I can't see any in-depth material about what you've mentioned. The link: "entertainment.howstuffworks.com/elvis-presley-biography.htm/printable-443k,heading Howstuffworks "Elvis Presley Biography" just leads me to a few brief sites of photos, songs, etc., but no real biographical detail relevant to Bill Burke, myth busting, etc. or any of the other stuff you have mentioned. Hope you can clarify. Rikstar ( talk) 13:39, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
- ElvisFan1981 ( talk) 22:20, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Jaye, that's really nice. Same to you. :) ElvisFan1981 ( talk) 10:00, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
Enthusiasm! Isn't it about time we had some of that about this darn article?! I'm gonna post a link to my sandbox on the main talkpage; people can then add comments there. Thanks for your support. Rikstar ( talk) 00:57, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your support, Jaye. I also lost any real interest in this article a while back, which made me think there's something fundamentally wrong with the format - not just our over-familiarity with the content. Wikipedia should have lots of interesting, well-sourced facts and anecdotes, but with Elvis, there's too much, and so there's always too much argument about what to include. I may make more changes to the sandbox version, but nothing major probably. Rikstar 409 09:54, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Rikstar, thanks for your comments. I'm replying on my talk page to you,as I carn't respond to your talk page for some reason. Yeah,what can you say,I'm exhausted just thinking about it,but we will get there. I appreciate why you don't want to tackle the main page,we'll just see what happens. Let me say one thing to you if I may,you are a very intuitive person,you know as much as I do what's going on here. It's as transparent as rice paper. However, we have to show good faith at all times,those are the rules. No personal opinions,just reliable sources. This may be a strange thing to say to you,but you need the material to combat certain topics that particular editors are interested in,if you get my drift. Let's start with,do you have these books: Soft cover Albert Goldman 1981,Elvis and the Memphis Mafia by Alana Nash,Down At The End Of Lonely Street by Broeske & Brown,that's a start. I want to be optimistic and say,we can get that Elvis sandbox version in as the main article. If we carn't, then I will try and tackle the main article,but I would greatly appreciate your help. These books and reading them are a start,should this be the case.--
Jaye9 (
talk) 14:50, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi there. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. If you can't type the tilde character, you should click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your name and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you! -- SineBot ( talk) 02:21, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi Rikstar,
I've thought long and hard about this,but may I have your email address Rikstar,so as to converse with you about the Elvis article. I feel by doing so,it may or may not save as both alot of time and effort. Heck,anything is worth a try. If you would rather not,I'd perfectly understand. All the best.-- Jaye9 ( talk) 02:14, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Sorry Rik,
I don't quite know what I'm doing,I clicked on my preferences and of course it comes up with my details. I have enabled my email to be available as well. Sorry to be a pest,but could you help me with this please. I warn you though,I'm really dumb when it comes to computers.-- Jaye9 ( talk) 10:08, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Think I've worked it out,just sent you an e-mail,it's just a tester,hope you receive it okay Rikstar. If you want to e-mail me back when you get the time and will go from there.-- Jaye9 ( talk) 11:05, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Should you want to, you can now post on my talkpage. There was a glitch that a kind wikipedian sorted out very quickly. Rikstar 409 10:37, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments on my talk page. I'm glad that you didn't mistake what I wrote. It's so confusing sometimes with people adding to talk pages just where and how things are meant to be. I understand you being a little worn out with the whole conversation, it can be draining when it feels like you're talking to a brick wall. I don't dismiss anyone on the Elvis talk page, but sometimes information needs to be very carefully worked over before it can be even remotely suggested for inclusion in the article. It appears that many editors on Wikipedia are more interested in steam-rolling their ideas through rather than taking on board concerns of other editors. It's a little like real life I guess. I also believe that some editors get a kick out of trying to get an emotional response out of others, it's some kind of game to some of them.
I'm not suggesting that Goldman would have done this, or anyone who was involved in his book, but from experience I know that a lot of negative energy comes from people when they are offered cold, hard cash, and sometimes it can lead them to say things they don't really mean or say things out of context. Once it's out it's too late, though, and some journalists/authors will abuse this. I agree with you that those closest to Presley are probably the ones who really know what they're talking about, and their stories always do match up and are consistent. It would be so easy for any of them to do a tell all book and make it very negative, they wouldn't have anything to lose and Elvis certainly couldn't argue over it. But the fact that all of them only have positive things to say and that they dispute so many negative things said about Elvis leads me to believe that they aren't protecting his memory, they're only being honest about their experiences.
I hope that you enjoy your break, if you decide you need one (and I wouldn't blame you, I'm feeling the same lol) and return very soon. A lot of your input on the Presley article is very much appreciated and necessary. :) ElvisFan1981 ( talk) 12:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
That's what I keep telling myself when I'm on wikipedia, Jaye. It's good to see you still contributing on the Elvis talk page. I always remember that I'm in control of what happens to me on wikipedia; I don't have to respond to anyone, I don't have to discuss a topic with anyone and I certainly don't have to feel like they're superior to me in any way. If, at any time, you feel like responding to someone but you are a little annoyed at them or unsure of what to say, then take a breather, go away and practice in your head what you want to type, and then return when you are 100% certain it comes across calm and relaxed without fear of anyone thinking they've got to you. Also, don't forget that sometimes it's ok to be emotional about a subject you are passionate about :)
And I think I'll take you up on that offer of keeping in touch via email. I'll try to email you later today through your wiki account (I see it says "email this user" next to some names). ElvisFan1981 ( talk) 15:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
I've found TV A Go Go to have the most thorough account of what was seen on the shows, and what is on the public record. It's like the author actually watched the kinescopes of the shows, which are of course now avaiable on dvd. What I have seen with my own eyes, and have included images of in the Sullivan article, is now in print so I have a written reference. Thank goodness for that. On the other topic, I have deleted the "junk" stuff from this and other sections repeatedly. I don't understand why other editors who have complained about it remaining in the article don't do the same. It's pretty frustrating to see it come back again and again. Steve Pastor ( talk) 20:51, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Steve Pastor ( talk) 20:45, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
The Barnstar of Perseverence | ||
There were some dark days during the editing and discussion of 'Elvis', but you showed great determination to see justice and fairness in the face of some, well, let's call them 'obstacles'. For all you have had to endure, I award you this barnstar. Richly deserved. Rikstar 409 04:43, 26 February 2010 (UTC) |