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Hello,
Here to say that I have rethought my vote in the AfD Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hartley_Jackson_(3rd_nomination).
The fact that most wrestlers in Intercontinental_Tag_Team_Championship_(Zero1) have wikipedia articles is particularly intriguing. I think this indicates notability of the subject. I also give many more reasons in the AfD itself, if you would like to check.
Your current vote there is currently invalid, because it does not give reasons supported on the guidelines; mainly
WP:ENTERTAINER. If you would like your vote to be counted, I suggest you strike your previous one (striked as in this example), and cast another vote, supported on guidelines.
Best regards, Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 15:33, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi Jammo85,
Since the AfD on Hartley Jackson has been recently closed as keep, I'll begin working on using official ways to decide whether the sources you have, for stating that he was part of the TMDK, are reliable or not.
Since Addicted would likely dispute it, it is better if we get consensus from the community.
I have created a draft for a Request for Comment ( WP:RFC) in my userspace: User:Walwal20/RfC_Hartley_Jackson.
If you want to contribute by adding more sources & explanations to it, I'd appreciate it.
I intend to wait some days before publishing the RfC, because Addicted might dispute the AfD being closed as keep.
Best, Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 22:48, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Dear Jammo,
Sorry for keeping you waiting.
I have finished analyzing the matter of whether Hartley Jackson was a member of TMDK or not.
You can see my whole research here:
User:Walwal20/RfC_Hartley_Jackson.
I do not think we need to post this to ask for public opinion.
There is enough sources to forcefully add them to the article.
But I need your help.
I intend to edit
Hartley Jackson and
The Mighty Don't Kneel, adding the phrase:
Hartley Jackson was part of The Mighty Don't Kneel in 2015 and 2016
with all sources that I found. Addicted will possibly revert my edits.
The help I need from you is:
If Addicted reverts more than twice, an admin will likely warn him to stop.
During the process, if any revert occurs, I'll also request help from other contributors to these pages.
So, can you help me with the above?
Best, Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 18:08, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
I'd appreciate any guidance on articles to read about sourcing and citing would be, because I am confused as to what more this member needs? Thank you. Jammo85 ( talk) 14:14, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
'There is some emotional investment on my part but I know better than to use that as an excuse to do something that would be frowned upon. The best results are based in WP policy, not emotions. For the record, Jackson is not regarded well in Australia outside of his own state of South Australia (citation needed?) and even there he has detractors on the grounds of being over rated (citation needed?) (Sources?).'
That emotionl investment is being used and Addicted actions should be frowned upon. He contradicts himself from one sentence to the next in this. Saying that for the record, (What record?) that Jackson not regarded well in Australia (on who's opinion? His only). Where is the evidence of this. If he was not regarded well, then why was he so well traveled in not only Australia, winning championships of every notable wrestling company in many different states? But also worldwide. Jackson has major names (currently international or in WWE) in interviews stating he has been good trainer and mentor. Then to be hired by the largest wrestling company in the world to coach and produce talent just buries his emotional attachment statement. All of these comments I just made can be cited by sources. And some already have been in the article. And being over rated is again a pesnal opinion
Addicted has an emotional investment and seemingly a vendetta and its damaging the credibility of a number of articles in relation pro wrestling (including Melbourne City Wrestling and others articles that I have seen been deleted or fought over from researching history). In the end, this is not right way for someone to act. I belive that with Addicted making these edits and comments he does on articles, he is not maintaining the
assumption of good faith in his editing?
Jammo85 (
talk)
00:16, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
I had read these comments too. In Wikipedia, dealing with these kinds of situations is very common. It is not necessarily a bad thing, the fact that Wikipedia is open to everyone and heavily based on WP:CONSENSUS is what makes it popular. Addicted is very careful, so while I share some perceptions with you, he is not clearly breaking any rules so far. I could accuse him of violating WP:NPOV, of trying to WP:GAME the WP:BRD system, or of constantly throwing WP:BAITs, but there is no clear evidence of that. If I reported this in the administrator's noticeboard, I believe it would likely have a WP:BOOMERANG effect, and could harm us. That's why I'm being careful; don't mind if I cite you multiple times, I'm trying to see what can be done so that we achieve a clearer WP:CONSENSUS and support from other parties. Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 01:02, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Hartley Jackson, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. The same applies to [[The Mighty Don't Kneel]. Facebook, Wordpress and Twitter are not reliable sources. Also under WP:BLP the source must be totally independent of the subject. Addicted4517 ( talk) 09:50, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi Jammo85,
There is a small chance that I will be blocked from editing for a few days.
Meanwhile, if there is anything you'd like to discuss, you can e-mail me directly by entering my user page and clicking "email this user" in the left panel.
As long as I have the sources and the support from other people, I intend to keep fighting to protect content creators and legitimate content to remain in articles.
Best, Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 12:31, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you so much. You are fighting a hard battle! I appreciate all of this. I am so lost on all the policies, so much contradiction with them, so I thank you for your guidance and strong support. I will contact via email on user page. Jammo85 ( talk) 06:26, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Your edit summary on your most recent edit on Hartley Jackson was quite rude and made a baseless assumption. I can not access Japanese language websites so my ability to source from there is inhibited. I would appreciate an apology for the assumption. I will always remove unreliable sources from BLP's as that is the correct thing to do. Addicted4517 ( talk) 10:17, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
This user may have left Wikipedia. Jammo85 has not edited Wikipedia since 9 October 2021. As a result, any requests made here may not receive a response. If you are seeking assistance, you may need to approach someone else. |
Hi Jammo85! Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. We hope to see you there!
Delivered by HostBot on behalf of the Teahouse hosts 16:05, 31 August 2020 (UTC) |
Hello,
Here to say that I have rethought my vote in the AfD Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Hartley_Jackson_(3rd_nomination).
The fact that most wrestlers in Intercontinental_Tag_Team_Championship_(Zero1) have wikipedia articles is particularly intriguing. I think this indicates notability of the subject. I also give many more reasons in the AfD itself, if you would like to check.
Your current vote there is currently invalid, because it does not give reasons supported on the guidelines; mainly
WP:ENTERTAINER. If you would like your vote to be counted, I suggest you strike your previous one (striked as in this example), and cast another vote, supported on guidelines.
Best regards, Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 15:33, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi Jammo85,
Since the AfD on Hartley Jackson has been recently closed as keep, I'll begin working on using official ways to decide whether the sources you have, for stating that he was part of the TMDK, are reliable or not.
Since Addicted would likely dispute it, it is better if we get consensus from the community.
I have created a draft for a Request for Comment ( WP:RFC) in my userspace: User:Walwal20/RfC_Hartley_Jackson.
If you want to contribute by adding more sources & explanations to it, I'd appreciate it.
I intend to wait some days before publishing the RfC, because Addicted might dispute the AfD being closed as keep.
Best, Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 22:48, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Dear Jammo,
Sorry for keeping you waiting.
I have finished analyzing the matter of whether Hartley Jackson was a member of TMDK or not.
You can see my whole research here:
User:Walwal20/RfC_Hartley_Jackson.
I do not think we need to post this to ask for public opinion.
There is enough sources to forcefully add them to the article.
But I need your help.
I intend to edit
Hartley Jackson and
The Mighty Don't Kneel, adding the phrase:
Hartley Jackson was part of The Mighty Don't Kneel in 2015 and 2016
with all sources that I found. Addicted will possibly revert my edits.
The help I need from you is:
If Addicted reverts more than twice, an admin will likely warn him to stop.
During the process, if any revert occurs, I'll also request help from other contributors to these pages.
So, can you help me with the above?
Best, Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 18:08, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
I'd appreciate any guidance on articles to read about sourcing and citing would be, because I am confused as to what more this member needs? Thank you. Jammo85 ( talk) 14:14, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
'There is some emotional investment on my part but I know better than to use that as an excuse to do something that would be frowned upon. The best results are based in WP policy, not emotions. For the record, Jackson is not regarded well in Australia outside of his own state of South Australia (citation needed?) and even there he has detractors on the grounds of being over rated (citation needed?) (Sources?).'
That emotionl investment is being used and Addicted actions should be frowned upon. He contradicts himself from one sentence to the next in this. Saying that for the record, (What record?) that Jackson not regarded well in Australia (on who's opinion? His only). Where is the evidence of this. If he was not regarded well, then why was he so well traveled in not only Australia, winning championships of every notable wrestling company in many different states? But also worldwide. Jackson has major names (currently international or in WWE) in interviews stating he has been good trainer and mentor. Then to be hired by the largest wrestling company in the world to coach and produce talent just buries his emotional attachment statement. All of these comments I just made can be cited by sources. And some already have been in the article. And being over rated is again a pesnal opinion
Addicted has an emotional investment and seemingly a vendetta and its damaging the credibility of a number of articles in relation pro wrestling (including Melbourne City Wrestling and others articles that I have seen been deleted or fought over from researching history). In the end, this is not right way for someone to act. I belive that with Addicted making these edits and comments he does on articles, he is not maintaining the
assumption of good faith in his editing?
Jammo85 (
talk)
00:16, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
I had read these comments too. In Wikipedia, dealing with these kinds of situations is very common. It is not necessarily a bad thing, the fact that Wikipedia is open to everyone and heavily based on WP:CONSENSUS is what makes it popular. Addicted is very careful, so while I share some perceptions with you, he is not clearly breaking any rules so far. I could accuse him of violating WP:NPOV, of trying to WP:GAME the WP:BRD system, or of constantly throwing WP:BAITs, but there is no clear evidence of that. If I reported this in the administrator's noticeboard, I believe it would likely have a WP:BOOMERANG effect, and could harm us. That's why I'm being careful; don't mind if I cite you multiple times, I'm trying to see what can be done so that we achieve a clearer WP:CONSENSUS and support from other parties. Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 01:02, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Please do not add or change content, as you did at Hartley Jackson, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. The same applies to [[The Mighty Don't Kneel]. Facebook, Wordpress and Twitter are not reliable sources. Also under WP:BLP the source must be totally independent of the subject. Addicted4517 ( talk) 09:50, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi Jammo85,
There is a small chance that I will be blocked from editing for a few days.
Meanwhile, if there is anything you'd like to discuss, you can e-mail me directly by entering my user page and clicking "email this user" in the left panel.
As long as I have the sources and the support from other people, I intend to keep fighting to protect content creators and legitimate content to remain in articles.
Best, Walwal20 talk ▾ contribs 12:31, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you so much. You are fighting a hard battle! I appreciate all of this. I am so lost on all the policies, so much contradiction with them, so I thank you for your guidance and strong support. I will contact via email on user page. Jammo85 ( talk) 06:26, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Your edit summary on your most recent edit on Hartley Jackson was quite rude and made a baseless assumption. I can not access Japanese language websites so my ability to source from there is inhibited. I would appreciate an apology for the assumption. I will always remove unreliable sources from BLP's as that is the correct thing to do. Addicted4517 ( talk) 10:17, 2 November 2020 (UTC)