Hi. Where in the source that you cited is it indicated that any the Harrisons mentioned therein include or do not include those featured on Pawn Stars? Can you quote or point to a specific passage? Thanks. Nightscream ( talk) 00:37, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
1. Joseph HARRISON (c1740-?), married Anne BAWLS
2. Joseph HARRISON (1768-1860), married Drucilla BENTLEY (1772-1865)
3. Benjamin HARRISON (1796-1866), married Fanny PRICE (c1797-?)
4. Reuben Bentley HARRISON (1825-?), married Martha Ann ROBERTS (1825-?)
Nightscream, you specifically asked "where on that page"... I specifically asked you where in the source you cited was it indicated that any the Harrisons mentioned therein include or do not include those featured on Pawn Stars. It was you who cited that source for the statement "Based on the Y-DNA test results published under The Harrison DNA Project, the Harrison family lineage which includes the Pawn Stars family is not related to the Harrison family lineage which includes the two Harrison presidents." Therefore, with all due respect, the obligation is on you--not I--to point to where in those citations this is indicated. All I did was to ask you if you could do this. That's all. Simple question. And yet, your response is to essentially say, "Go look in them yourself". Whether the statement is establish in one source or one of the many others you cited, the basic point was, I was asking you were it was established that the subject of the article was clearly referenced in those sources. Now you're splitting hairs over which of them I was specifying. Indeed, which one was the one in which the connection was established was kinda the point of my inquiry.
If you are unwilling to be straightforward in responding to this, then I am forced to conclude that your edits are what they initially appeared to be: The drawing of a conclusion, based on a source, that is not explicitly or clearly given in that source. This is synthesis, which is a form of original research, and is not permitted on Wikipedia. If Smjwalsh's edits gave you the false impression that this was permitted, well, I wouldn't blame you for this, since your edits were made in good faith, but his edits violate the same policies, so I have removed the material he added as well. I thank you for pointing that out to me. I don't always catch everything when it comes into an article.
Moreover, using public records such as birth certificates, census records, etc. to establish personal info in biographical articles is not permitted by WP:BLPPRIMARY.
Lastly, in terms of good article writing and due weight afforded to appropriate information, it is not justifiable to create an entire section, filled with references to genealogical records, obits, birth certificates, etc., just to respond to what was a couple of throwaway lines by the two cast members in regards to their ancestry, when that is hardly what they are notable for.
If you disagree with this, we can start a discussion on the article's talk page, and invite other editors in the community to weigh in.
Either way, I thank you for your time. I hope we can collaborate in the future. :-) Nightscream ( talk) 19:46, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi. Where in the source that you cited is it indicated that any the Harrisons mentioned therein include or do not include those featured on Pawn Stars? Can you quote or point to a specific passage? Thanks. Nightscream ( talk) 00:37, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
1. Joseph HARRISON (c1740-?), married Anne BAWLS
2. Joseph HARRISON (1768-1860), married Drucilla BENTLEY (1772-1865)
3. Benjamin HARRISON (1796-1866), married Fanny PRICE (c1797-?)
4. Reuben Bentley HARRISON (1825-?), married Martha Ann ROBERTS (1825-?)
Nightscream, you specifically asked "where on that page"... I specifically asked you where in the source you cited was it indicated that any the Harrisons mentioned therein include or do not include those featured on Pawn Stars. It was you who cited that source for the statement "Based on the Y-DNA test results published under The Harrison DNA Project, the Harrison family lineage which includes the Pawn Stars family is not related to the Harrison family lineage which includes the two Harrison presidents." Therefore, with all due respect, the obligation is on you--not I--to point to where in those citations this is indicated. All I did was to ask you if you could do this. That's all. Simple question. And yet, your response is to essentially say, "Go look in them yourself". Whether the statement is establish in one source or one of the many others you cited, the basic point was, I was asking you were it was established that the subject of the article was clearly referenced in those sources. Now you're splitting hairs over which of them I was specifying. Indeed, which one was the one in which the connection was established was kinda the point of my inquiry.
If you are unwilling to be straightforward in responding to this, then I am forced to conclude that your edits are what they initially appeared to be: The drawing of a conclusion, based on a source, that is not explicitly or clearly given in that source. This is synthesis, which is a form of original research, and is not permitted on Wikipedia. If Smjwalsh's edits gave you the false impression that this was permitted, well, I wouldn't blame you for this, since your edits were made in good faith, but his edits violate the same policies, so I have removed the material he added as well. I thank you for pointing that out to me. I don't always catch everything when it comes into an article.
Moreover, using public records such as birth certificates, census records, etc. to establish personal info in biographical articles is not permitted by WP:BLPPRIMARY.
Lastly, in terms of good article writing and due weight afforded to appropriate information, it is not justifiable to create an entire section, filled with references to genealogical records, obits, birth certificates, etc., just to respond to what was a couple of throwaway lines by the two cast members in regards to their ancestry, when that is hardly what they are notable for.
If you disagree with this, we can start a discussion on the article's talk page, and invite other editors in the community to weigh in.
Either way, I thank you for your time. I hope we can collaborate in the future. :-) Nightscream ( talk) 19:46, 24 January 2013 (UTC)