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ARCHIVE PAGE 76: April 2014
Hello dear Invertzoo, sorry for delay. I thank you heartily for your appreciation about my article on Canariella planaria and for your kind invitation. Unfortunately I'm not an expert about Gastropods. I wrote that because I converted and uploaded to Commons some videos of Malacowiki Malacología Ibérica on YouTube. I thank you so much again and I wish you all the best for your great work on Wikipedia. Have a very nice day! Jacopo Werther iγ∂ψ=mψ 11:41, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi Invertzoo. I saw that you have a strong interest in the issue of organizations that participate on Wikipedia articles about themselves. A substantial portion of my contributions to Wikipedia have to do with helping organizations participate appropriately and obtain GA articles where possible. In addition to disclosing my conflict of interest on the corresponding articles, I should also disclose with the broader community, in particular those that have an interest, so I thought I should just introduce myself.
I realize we are in a position to be combative maybe. You feel organizations should not participate, and I help them do so. But my intention is not to change your mind or be combative. On the contrary, my views are similar - just that there is a caveat in my mind that there are exceptions and every case is unique.
Anyways, Hi! CorporateM ( Talk) 03:18, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments on my editor review page. Would you be able to look at the article Lebrunia coralligens which some jump-on-the-bandwagon editor has tagged as being in need of expert attention? It was written during the present furore and so I was trying to take the greatest of care while I wrote it. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 06:29, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
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InvertZoo: I have proposed another mollusc-related image of mine for Featured Picture status over on Commons here. I know this kinda backfired on me last time (!) but I value your input, even if it is to object to the image for some reason, and would appreciate it once again on this image, whether for or against. I worked pretty hard on it, so please be gentle if you are going to object. I look forward to having your response, regardless. Thank you! KDS4444 Talk 09:17, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the note. I am aware of the situation. The person who initiated the campaign against Cwmhiraeth has been quick to blame the WikiCup and sling mud in my direction. J Milburn ( talk) 21:49, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, some people get impatient easily and are not good at explaining things carefully to other people. In any case, I always try to rewrite content from scratch, although I admit that getting used to that technique may be hard at first if you are used to simple paraphrasing.
The problem with "yellowish-tan" is that it is one color, whereas "yellow to tan" indicates a range of variety within those two adjacent colors, i.e. some are yellow, some are tan and some are various shades of an in-between color. However what I want to say here is that if you rewrite a section of info completely in every other way, it won't matter if you say that... 'the color ranges from "yellow to tan" '... those three words being exactly the same as the original, or perhaps you can say... 'it is colored in a range from "tan to yellow" '... if you like. In much the same way, it is OK to say "depths of 5 to 10 meters", even if the original text uses exactly those words. These are simple facts and don't have to be changed.
The problem with plagiarizing comes when you use the same overall sentence structure and the same or almost identical phrases, such that it is obvious you just slightly re-worked the original. So in other words if the original says, "a intertidal species, it occurs in sandy bays" you can say, "this species is found in the intertidal zone of bays on sandy substrate" or something similar. Try not to say something like, " it is a species which is intertidal and is found on bays that are sandy" because that sounds too much like the original. I can help you with this by teaching you how to do it if you like. You can show me parts of sources that are hard to re-write and I can teach you how to break it up and rewrite it. At first it will be slow but it will get much faster as your brain becomes more used to it and more nimble at doing it.
Invertzoo ( talk) 13:22, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, I made a start before I saw your reply and it is
here, currently with one reference (apart from WoRMS). The lead bit about the distribution is temporary and I notice that the phrase "subtidally and offshore" appears in both the original and in my sentence, though that was inadvertent.
Cwmhiraeth (
talk)
19:23, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
I will place notes about each draft on the talk page of that draft. But more general notes I will continue to place here. Invertzoo ( talk) 13:25, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi Snail Lady,
Thank you for the kind note on my talk page! I appreciate you cleaning up the stubs I created. Unfortunately, I know nothing more about these species than I included in the articles. If I create any similar stubs in the future, I will attempt to follow the example you have set.
Neelix ( talk) 00:00, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Refs are not needed in the lead as long as they are in the body of the text. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 17:59, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
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ARCHIVE PAGE 76: April 2014
Hello dear Invertzoo, sorry for delay. I thank you heartily for your appreciation about my article on Canariella planaria and for your kind invitation. Unfortunately I'm not an expert about Gastropods. I wrote that because I converted and uploaded to Commons some videos of Malacowiki Malacología Ibérica on YouTube. I thank you so much again and I wish you all the best for your great work on Wikipedia. Have a very nice day! Jacopo Werther iγ∂ψ=mψ 11:41, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi Invertzoo. I saw that you have a strong interest in the issue of organizations that participate on Wikipedia articles about themselves. A substantial portion of my contributions to Wikipedia have to do with helping organizations participate appropriately and obtain GA articles where possible. In addition to disclosing my conflict of interest on the corresponding articles, I should also disclose with the broader community, in particular those that have an interest, so I thought I should just introduce myself.
I realize we are in a position to be combative maybe. You feel organizations should not participate, and I help them do so. But my intention is not to change your mind or be combative. On the contrary, my views are similar - just that there is a caveat in my mind that there are exceptions and every case is unique.
Anyways, Hi! CorporateM ( Talk) 03:18, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments on my editor review page. Would you be able to look at the article Lebrunia coralligens which some jump-on-the-bandwagon editor has tagged as being in need of expert attention? It was written during the present furore and so I was trying to take the greatest of care while I wrote it. Cwmhiraeth ( talk) 06:29, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that when you edited Bivalvia, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Cockle ( check to confirm | fix with Dab solver). Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.
It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot ( talk) 08:53, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
InvertZoo: I have proposed another mollusc-related image of mine for Featured Picture status over on Commons here. I know this kinda backfired on me last time (!) but I value your input, even if it is to object to the image for some reason, and would appreciate it once again on this image, whether for or against. I worked pretty hard on it, so please be gentle if you are going to object. I look forward to having your response, regardless. Thank you! KDS4444 Talk 09:17, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the note. I am aware of the situation. The person who initiated the campaign against Cwmhiraeth has been quick to blame the WikiCup and sling mud in my direction. J Milburn ( talk) 21:49, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, some people get impatient easily and are not good at explaining things carefully to other people. In any case, I always try to rewrite content from scratch, although I admit that getting used to that technique may be hard at first if you are used to simple paraphrasing.
The problem with "yellowish-tan" is that it is one color, whereas "yellow to tan" indicates a range of variety within those two adjacent colors, i.e. some are yellow, some are tan and some are various shades of an in-between color. However what I want to say here is that if you rewrite a section of info completely in every other way, it won't matter if you say that... 'the color ranges from "yellow to tan" '... those three words being exactly the same as the original, or perhaps you can say... 'it is colored in a range from "tan to yellow" '... if you like. In much the same way, it is OK to say "depths of 5 to 10 meters", even if the original text uses exactly those words. These are simple facts and don't have to be changed.
The problem with plagiarizing comes when you use the same overall sentence structure and the same or almost identical phrases, such that it is obvious you just slightly re-worked the original. So in other words if the original says, "a intertidal species, it occurs in sandy bays" you can say, "this species is found in the intertidal zone of bays on sandy substrate" or something similar. Try not to say something like, " it is a species which is intertidal and is found on bays that are sandy" because that sounds too much like the original. I can help you with this by teaching you how to do it if you like. You can show me parts of sources that are hard to re-write and I can teach you how to break it up and rewrite it. At first it will be slow but it will get much faster as your brain becomes more used to it and more nimble at doing it.
Invertzoo ( talk) 13:22, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, I made a start before I saw your reply and it is
here, currently with one reference (apart from WoRMS). The lead bit about the distribution is temporary and I notice that the phrase "subtidally and offshore" appears in both the original and in my sentence, though that was inadvertent.
Cwmhiraeth (
talk)
19:23, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
I will place notes about each draft on the talk page of that draft. But more general notes I will continue to place here. Invertzoo ( talk) 13:25, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi Snail Lady,
Thank you for the kind note on my talk page! I appreciate you cleaning up the stubs I created. Unfortunately, I know nothing more about these species than I included in the articles. If I create any similar stubs in the future, I will attempt to follow the example you have set.
Neelix ( talk) 00:00, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Refs are not needed in the lead as long as they are in the body of the text. Doc James ( talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 17:59, 29 April 2014 (UTC)