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Hi, I've nominated the Category:Unicode script and its subcategories that you created for deletion. You are welcome to join the related discussion here and present your arguments why you might think they should stay. Until this issue is resolved, I recommend not to add any new articles to those categories, because that might end up being a wasted effort. Note that even if the final consensus should be to keept this type of categories, their names will have to be changed to the plural form based on Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories)#Special conventions for lists of items. Since there is no simple way to rename categories, all listed articles would then have to be edited once more to link them to the correct names. -- Latebird 11:27, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
there were three delete votes. This doesn't mean all that much: don't vote on everything. It is a far graver problem that you seem to be ignoring all concerns and just go ahead with whatever it is you decided you want to do. The deletion vote showed that there are issues. Instead of just re-creating the deleted categories, you should have taken the time to debate and find a better solution. Similarly, you turned the useful Mapping of Unicode characters into an unusable epic. You insist on using your idiosyncratic term of "semantic phonemes" on Unicode Phonetic Symbols and elsewhere. On Talk:Unicode Phonetic Symbols you make a number of perfectly correct points, all the while dodging the issue of addressing your terminology of "semantic and non-semantic charcters" as you were asked to.
I perfectly understand the points you are trying to make, and there is no doubt you mean well, but I am sorry, you are not doing very well at the moment. This begins with your idiosyncratic terminology. This is Wikipedia: you cannot just post your own stuff here. If you would be willing to collaborate, I am sure we could find an amicable solution. But if you're going to be tongue-in-cheek along the lines of "Do you have any sources you can cite on this being an aburdity?", we can also do this the confrontational way, which is less satisfying, but also leads to good results. We both want to discuss and explain the nature of the choices that had to be made for UCS. Now, if we are unable to reconcile our approaches, we will have to rely on WP:ATT and WP:NPOV entirely. Wikipedia is not the place to publish original reviews of the Unicode standard. I am sure you will be able to refer to published reviews of this kind. The first step concerns my objection to your use of "semantic": There is no "distinction between semantic and non-semantic characters (a distinction built into the UCS)". If you want to argue that there is, you will have to provide sources. What I think you mean is that character strings can be different and yet canonically equivalent. I ask you to take a step back now and look around if anyone else is using your terminology:
Unless you are using another internet than me, I assume you will also find that the term "non-semantic character" does not exist (viz., was made up by you). What about "semantic character"?
aha, it appears the term is has some use in Japanese orthography. This has still nothing to do with UCS. Your description of Arabic final forms as "non-semantic" is completely idiosyncratic. This is a matter of context-sensitive shaping discussed at Complex text layout. The point is that the same grapheme may be encoded in several characters. This can be explained by just using the terms "grapheme" and "character" correctly, without reference to "glyphs" or "semantics". I would hate to revert your work, which is obviously done in good faith, but you really have to go back and address this. dab (𒁳) 08:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
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I think the term grapheme often does little to clarify things. "Grapheme cluster" (as used by the Standard) can be clear, but grapheme on its own typically contributes to ambiguity. Why do you object to glyph? That term too is used througout the Standard (along with form and variant). The problem with the distinctions you make here is that they relate to non-singleton decompositions. Much of what I've been writing on (at least surrounding the glyph/form v. character disctinction) relates to the singleton decompositions. So I think the language you're using suffices for other areas of Unicode, but not the areas I've been writing about.
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Hi, I've nominated the Category:Unicode script and its subcategories that you created for deletion. You are welcome to join the related discussion here and present your arguments why you might think they should stay. Until this issue is resolved, I recommend not to add any new articles to those categories, because that might end up being a wasted effort. Note that even if the final consensus should be to keept this type of categories, their names will have to be changed to the plural form based on Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories)#Special conventions for lists of items. Since there is no simple way to rename categories, all listed articles would then have to be edited once more to link them to the correct names. -- Latebird 11:27, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
there were three delete votes. This doesn't mean all that much: don't vote on everything. It is a far graver problem that you seem to be ignoring all concerns and just go ahead with whatever it is you decided you want to do. The deletion vote showed that there are issues. Instead of just re-creating the deleted categories, you should have taken the time to debate and find a better solution. Similarly, you turned the useful Mapping of Unicode characters into an unusable epic. You insist on using your idiosyncratic term of "semantic phonemes" on Unicode Phonetic Symbols and elsewhere. On Talk:Unicode Phonetic Symbols you make a number of perfectly correct points, all the while dodging the issue of addressing your terminology of "semantic and non-semantic charcters" as you were asked to.
I perfectly understand the points you are trying to make, and there is no doubt you mean well, but I am sorry, you are not doing very well at the moment. This begins with your idiosyncratic terminology. This is Wikipedia: you cannot just post your own stuff here. If you would be willing to collaborate, I am sure we could find an amicable solution. But if you're going to be tongue-in-cheek along the lines of "Do you have any sources you can cite on this being an aburdity?", we can also do this the confrontational way, which is less satisfying, but also leads to good results. We both want to discuss and explain the nature of the choices that had to be made for UCS. Now, if we are unable to reconcile our approaches, we will have to rely on WP:ATT and WP:NPOV entirely. Wikipedia is not the place to publish original reviews of the Unicode standard. I am sure you will be able to refer to published reviews of this kind. The first step concerns my objection to your use of "semantic": There is no "distinction between semantic and non-semantic characters (a distinction built into the UCS)". If you want to argue that there is, you will have to provide sources. What I think you mean is that character strings can be different and yet canonically equivalent. I ask you to take a step back now and look around if anyone else is using your terminology:
Unless you are using another internet than me, I assume you will also find that the term "non-semantic character" does not exist (viz., was made up by you). What about "semantic character"?
aha, it appears the term is has some use in Japanese orthography. This has still nothing to do with UCS. Your description of Arabic final forms as "non-semantic" is completely idiosyncratic. This is a matter of context-sensitive shaping discussed at Complex text layout. The point is that the same grapheme may be encoded in several characters. This can be explained by just using the terms "grapheme" and "character" correctly, without reference to "glyphs" or "semantics". I would hate to revert your work, which is obviously done in good faith, but you really have to go back and address this. dab (𒁳) 08:48, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
You wrote:
I think the term grapheme often does little to clarify things. "Grapheme cluster" (as used by the Standard) can be clear, but grapheme on its own typically contributes to ambiguity. Why do you object to glyph? That term too is used througout the Standard (along with form and variant). The problem with the distinctions you make here is that they relate to non-singleton decompositions. Much of what I've been writing on (at least surrounding the glyph/form v. character disctinction) relates to the singleton decompositions. So I think the language you're using suffices for other areas of Unicode, but not the areas I've been writing about.
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If you have any questions please ask at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Thank you. Stifle ( talk) 13:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)Category:Unicode Blocks, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. The Evil IP address ( talk) 15:06, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Template:UCS characters has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. DePiep ( talk) 11:55, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:AppleChancery1¼FractionExample.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG ( talk) 20:31, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:AppleChancery4and221-225thsExample.png, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG ( talk) 20:31, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
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