Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. . Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 03:47, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your engagement on my talk page. The three reversion rule has clear exemptions for reversions regarding the Biographies of Living Persons policy. My edits were made to bring the Jack Posobiec page in line with this policy. The edits to which you revert do not cast the subject in a neutral tone as required, and they also remove edits I made which provide references to reliably sourced, verifiable rebuttals to accusations and claims about the subject, in keeping with the BLP policy on public figures.
Please participate in the request for consensus on the talk page for Jack Posobiec to resolve this issue. Thank you. Ihuntrocks ( talk) 14:59, 30 October 2019 (UTC) ihuntrocks
talk page updated to reflect participation by user "Snooganssnoogans" in an edit-war which repeatedly reverts that page to a version which violates BLP neutrality policy and removes credibly sourced citations. A consensus has been requested to prevent further vandalism of this page by "Snooganssnoogans."
Ihuntrocks ( talk) 04:10, 30 October 2019 (UTC)ihuntrocks
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You have shown interest in post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.
For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.
EvergreenFir (talk) 05:03, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your interest in this topic. Please participate in the discussion on the talk page for Jack Posobiec regarding edits and the request for consensus. In particular, please address why biographical information which was neutral or positive in character about the subject sourced from verifiable, reliable sources should be omitted, particularly in light of the neutrality requirements for the Biographies of Living Persons policy. Also include why rebuttals provided by the subject to allegations/accusations in or by credible, reliable sources should be removed, particularly in light of the requirements in the BLP for public figures. Participation on the talk page is requested, as you have taken the step to post this Discretionary Sanction Notification on my talk page. Your help is appreciated. Thank you. Ihuntrocks ( talk) 15:09, 30 October 2019 (UTC) ihuntrocks
Your recent editing at Jack Posobiec has been disruptive. Please desist. Take any content disputes to the talk page and seek WP:CONSENSUS. See also WP:DR for further suggestions in resolving disagreements. If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia you may be blocked w/o further warning. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 05:20, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your interest in this topic. You have been invited to participate via the talk page for Jack Posobiec in building a consensus on edits. My proposed edits and sources are listed there. In particular, please include why neutral or positive biographical information about the subject cannot be added in light of Wikipedia's Biographies of Living Persons policies regarding neutral presentation. Also include information as to why edits providing rebuttals by the subject from credible, reliable sources to allegations/accusations may not be included, particularly in light of the BLP policy on public figures. Your good faith participation is requested and appreciated. Thank you. Ihuntrocks ( talk) 15:14, 30 October 2019 (UTC) ihuntrocks
Ihuntrocks, I think you should disengage from this dispute entirely and find another article or subject to work on. That's not because I think you are wrong, I take no position on this issue, but rather because I think you are too invested in it and cannot approach the disagreement from a perspective of calm discussion. Repeatedly casting aspersions on the motives of other editors is disruptive. While some allowance is being made for your being new, there are limits. Please consider looking for other topics or pages you can help to improve that won't involve a lot of drama. You can always come back at some point if you feel so inclined. But I really don't want to see you get sanctioned either through a topic ban or a block.. You may also want to have a look at WP:IDHT and WP:TE. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 01:11, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello brand-new editor who is not a sockpuppet! No.which seems confrontational, to say the least, and may violate the policy on assuming good faith in other editors. See revision log here. The user Amanda L. Morales has since joined the discussion on the talk page to express concerns about the lead for the article regarding neutrality. User Atsme has suggested a possible RfC, and that is starting to seem like something which may be required at this time. Currently, the NPOV dispute tag is not present on the page. Tagging you to bring this to your attention, particularly since you were the last person to have put the tag back on the page and have posted two warnings not to remove it and that the discussion is ongoing. I do not want to add the tag back myself, as I do not want to possibly be flagged for making disruptive edits. However, the tag should still appear on the page as the discussion is not only ongoing, but more editors than not have identified issues that need to be addressed in the current discussion. Ihuntrocks ( talk) 00:42, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Ad Orientem: and @ Drmies: Since a CU request has been advanced, I have updated my user page to reflect that a family member with an editor account may occasionally share an IP address with me. I was not aware that I should do this until tonight after reviewing the pages on CU and socking. That user is Mongreltaceae. This family member has only recently opened the account, has made minimal edits to pages to which I have not made any edits and has not made edits to any pages which I have edited. The user has not participated in any talk page discussions to my knowledge. Mongreltaceae is making a similar user page update. Since transparency is important, I felt I should not only add this to my user page in light of the recent request but to also notify you directly via mention. As the request has been issued to Drmies, I have added that user to this statement as well. My first edit (March 19, 2019) will have a different IP block, as I have moved in the intervening time.
I trust both of you as neutral parties, but firmly deny the accusations of sockpuppetry made by Volunteer Marek and again raise my objections to that user's use of profanity in the discussion on the Jack Posobiec talk page. It should be expected that a new editor would familiarize themselves with Wikipedia policies when making contributions. It should also be expected that an editor would use these policies in a discussion when other users bring them up. A claim that one must be a sockpuppet for doing so is not assuming good faith and I am very sad to see Volunteer Marek do that in this discussion to me and to also accuse another newer account who tried to enter the same discussion of sockpuppetry in the edit log when that user attempted to revert to a version which still had the NPOV dispute tag. Ihuntrocks ( talk) 04:51, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi Ihuntrocks. I've been checking in on the discussion over at Talk:Jack Posobiec, and I think it's time you stepped away. You have made whatever points you intended to and you need to let the community draw what conclusions it will. Repeating the same points ad nauseum is not helpful and can be seen as a form of bludgeoning. And here I am going to abandon my neutrality as an admin. I am not seeing a convincing argument that the page has substantial NPOV issues. Some reasonable arguments have been advanced regarding whether certain descriptors should be applied in wiki-voice or attributed to RS sources. But IMHO none of that substantively impacts the basic neutrality of the article. The unhappy truth is that some people get articles that don't reflect well on them because they reflect the overwhelming body of RS sources dealing with the subject. Such is the case here. Yes, on rare occasions I have seen exceptions where there really was some bias, but this is not one of them. If Jack Posobier comes across as a wing nut, it's because that's the way almost every reputable source has painted him. And, as a matter of personal opinion, I think they have done so fairly. During this business I have bent over backwards to indulge your concerns and allow for an open discussion. But aside for some fair, but ultimately trivial quibbling over how to best express the views of the reliable sources, I am not seeing anything that rises to evidence of a serious NPOV fail. Having expressed this view I can no longer act as an admin here, so my advice is that of an experienced editor only. One of the harder things to learn around here is when to drop the stick and move on. IMHO, this is that time. Best regards... - Ad Orientem ( talk) 23:30, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
But my eyes still see and my nose still works and my teeth're still in my mouth / And you know I guess that makes me the winner.Y'all have fun. Ihuntrocks ( talk) 00:36, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
As I said before, do not post on my talk page again unless required by policy. Grayfell ( talk) 21:41, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See the bold, revert, discuss cycle for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. . Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 03:47, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your engagement on my talk page. The three reversion rule has clear exemptions for reversions regarding the Biographies of Living Persons policy. My edits were made to bring the Jack Posobiec page in line with this policy. The edits to which you revert do not cast the subject in a neutral tone as required, and they also remove edits I made which provide references to reliably sourced, verifiable rebuttals to accusations and claims about the subject, in keeping with the BLP policy on public figures.
Please participate in the request for consensus on the talk page for Jack Posobiec to resolve this issue. Thank you. Ihuntrocks ( talk) 14:59, 30 October 2019 (UTC) ihuntrocks
talk page updated to reflect participation by user "Snooganssnoogans" in an edit-war which repeatedly reverts that page to a version which violates BLP neutrality policy and removes credibly sourced citations. A consensus has been requested to prevent further vandalism of this page by "Snooganssnoogans."
Ihuntrocks ( talk) 04:10, 30 October 2019 (UTC)ihuntrocks
This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.
You have shown interest in post-1932 politics of the United States and closely related people. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.
For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.
EvergreenFir (talk) 05:03, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your interest in this topic. Please participate in the discussion on the talk page for Jack Posobiec regarding edits and the request for consensus. In particular, please address why biographical information which was neutral or positive in character about the subject sourced from verifiable, reliable sources should be omitted, particularly in light of the neutrality requirements for the Biographies of Living Persons policy. Also include why rebuttals provided by the subject to allegations/accusations in or by credible, reliable sources should be removed, particularly in light of the requirements in the BLP for public figures. Participation on the talk page is requested, as you have taken the step to post this Discretionary Sanction Notification on my talk page. Your help is appreciated. Thank you. Ihuntrocks ( talk) 15:09, 30 October 2019 (UTC) ihuntrocks
Your recent editing at Jack Posobiec has been disruptive. Please desist. Take any content disputes to the talk page and seek WP:CONSENSUS. See also WP:DR for further suggestions in resolving disagreements. If you continue to disrupt Wikipedia you may be blocked w/o further warning. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 05:20, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for your interest in this topic. You have been invited to participate via the talk page for Jack Posobiec in building a consensus on edits. My proposed edits and sources are listed there. In particular, please include why neutral or positive biographical information about the subject cannot be added in light of Wikipedia's Biographies of Living Persons policies regarding neutral presentation. Also include information as to why edits providing rebuttals by the subject from credible, reliable sources to allegations/accusations may not be included, particularly in light of the BLP policy on public figures. Your good faith participation is requested and appreciated. Thank you. Ihuntrocks ( talk) 15:14, 30 October 2019 (UTC) ihuntrocks
Ihuntrocks, I think you should disengage from this dispute entirely and find another article or subject to work on. That's not because I think you are wrong, I take no position on this issue, but rather because I think you are too invested in it and cannot approach the disagreement from a perspective of calm discussion. Repeatedly casting aspersions on the motives of other editors is disruptive. While some allowance is being made for your being new, there are limits. Please consider looking for other topics or pages you can help to improve that won't involve a lot of drama. You can always come back at some point if you feel so inclined. But I really don't want to see you get sanctioned either through a topic ban or a block.. You may also want to have a look at WP:IDHT and WP:TE. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 01:11, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
Hello brand-new editor who is not a sockpuppet! No.which seems confrontational, to say the least, and may violate the policy on assuming good faith in other editors. See revision log here. The user Amanda L. Morales has since joined the discussion on the talk page to express concerns about the lead for the article regarding neutrality. User Atsme has suggested a possible RfC, and that is starting to seem like something which may be required at this time. Currently, the NPOV dispute tag is not present on the page. Tagging you to bring this to your attention, particularly since you were the last person to have put the tag back on the page and have posted two warnings not to remove it and that the discussion is ongoing. I do not want to add the tag back myself, as I do not want to possibly be flagged for making disruptive edits. However, the tag should still appear on the page as the discussion is not only ongoing, but more editors than not have identified issues that need to be addressed in the current discussion. Ihuntrocks ( talk) 00:42, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
@ Ad Orientem: and @ Drmies: Since a CU request has been advanced, I have updated my user page to reflect that a family member with an editor account may occasionally share an IP address with me. I was not aware that I should do this until tonight after reviewing the pages on CU and socking. That user is Mongreltaceae. This family member has only recently opened the account, has made minimal edits to pages to which I have not made any edits and has not made edits to any pages which I have edited. The user has not participated in any talk page discussions to my knowledge. Mongreltaceae is making a similar user page update. Since transparency is important, I felt I should not only add this to my user page in light of the recent request but to also notify you directly via mention. As the request has been issued to Drmies, I have added that user to this statement as well. My first edit (March 19, 2019) will have a different IP block, as I have moved in the intervening time.
I trust both of you as neutral parties, but firmly deny the accusations of sockpuppetry made by Volunteer Marek and again raise my objections to that user's use of profanity in the discussion on the Jack Posobiec talk page. It should be expected that a new editor would familiarize themselves with Wikipedia policies when making contributions. It should also be expected that an editor would use these policies in a discussion when other users bring them up. A claim that one must be a sockpuppet for doing so is not assuming good faith and I am very sad to see Volunteer Marek do that in this discussion to me and to also accuse another newer account who tried to enter the same discussion of sockpuppetry in the edit log when that user attempted to revert to a version which still had the NPOV dispute tag. Ihuntrocks ( talk) 04:51, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi Ihuntrocks. I've been checking in on the discussion over at Talk:Jack Posobiec, and I think it's time you stepped away. You have made whatever points you intended to and you need to let the community draw what conclusions it will. Repeating the same points ad nauseum is not helpful and can be seen as a form of bludgeoning. And here I am going to abandon my neutrality as an admin. I am not seeing a convincing argument that the page has substantial NPOV issues. Some reasonable arguments have been advanced regarding whether certain descriptors should be applied in wiki-voice or attributed to RS sources. But IMHO none of that substantively impacts the basic neutrality of the article. The unhappy truth is that some people get articles that don't reflect well on them because they reflect the overwhelming body of RS sources dealing with the subject. Such is the case here. Yes, on rare occasions I have seen exceptions where there really was some bias, but this is not one of them. If Jack Posobier comes across as a wing nut, it's because that's the way almost every reputable source has painted him. And, as a matter of personal opinion, I think they have done so fairly. During this business I have bent over backwards to indulge your concerns and allow for an open discussion. But aside for some fair, but ultimately trivial quibbling over how to best express the views of the reliable sources, I am not seeing anything that rises to evidence of a serious NPOV fail. Having expressed this view I can no longer act as an admin here, so my advice is that of an experienced editor only. One of the harder things to learn around here is when to drop the stick and move on. IMHO, this is that time. Best regards... - Ad Orientem ( talk) 23:30, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
But my eyes still see and my nose still works and my teeth're still in my mouth / And you know I guess that makes me the winner.Y'all have fun. Ihuntrocks ( talk) 00:36, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
As I said before, do not post on my talk page again unless required by policy. Grayfell ( talk) 21:41, 6 November 2019 (UTC)