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Hey, I thought I has posted here to ask for your help, but I guess not. Anyways, there's an anon user at the Birthright page adding an extremely PoV "Controversy" section making totally outlandish claims. I came up with a compromise section, but the anon refuses to budget. Would you please weigh in on the issue? Thanks. -- Chabuk [ T • C ] 21:08, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, it's a sub-category of Category:Killed in action, so I'm guessing it was intended only for those who were killed; but it's a pretty bad name for a category either way. ;-) Kirill Lokshin 21:12, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Doron: Hope all is well with you and yours. You have not enabled your Wikipedia Email feature in your "tool box" on the left hand side of your user page. Sometimes editors overlook that when it's a useful way of staying in touch with other editors. Best wishes. Lehitraot, IZAK 14:25, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey IZAK, what did you mean here when you added ":"? Shabbat shalom. ← Humus sapiens ну ? 00:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
This seems to be from August but my guess is that it wasn't empty before, i probably stumbled upon an article about an Australian synagogue and created the list, then that article was removed from the category/deleted. Amoruso 20:25, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi IZAK, Shavuah Tov, and have an easy fast. The intro you added to the Korban article contains some general statements that may not be strictly true in some cases and perhaps should be qualified. In particular:
Korban (Hebrew: "sacrifice" קרבן) (plural: Korbanot קרבנות) refers to any one of a variety of sacrificial offerings described and commanded in the Torah (Hebrew Bible) that were offered in a variety of settings by the ancient Israelites, and then by the Kohanim (the Jewish "priest/s" only) in the Temple in Jerusalem. The system of offering any kind of korban ended with the destruction of the Second Jewish Temple.
a. there were free-will (non-"commanded") offerings, so perhaps "specified" or "described" might be better language. b. About the "only" in "Jewish priest/s only". For non-communal offerings ordinary Yisraelim brought them, could perform shechitah, etc. Perhaps "and then through the Kohanim (Jewish priests)"... might be better language, since "through" may be a little bit less exclusive than "by" and the "only" isn't needed. c. There were occassional attempts at reviving korbanot after the destruction, e.g. during the Bar Kochba Revolt. Perhaps "Despite occassional isolated attempts at revival, the offering of any kind of korbanot ended..."
Best, -- Shirahadasha 03:00, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I recently saw your edits to Jews and Judaism in Kazakhstan and Jews in Tajikistan. Per the naming used on Islam in country articles, and Christianity in country articles, shouldnt these be titled "Judaism in Kazakhstan" and "Judaism in Tajikistan"? Also, I see the categories seem to be Jews and Judaism, so the question also applies to them. KazakhPol 05:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
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I used to be a member of the jewsforjudaism.org forums. So relax. Funnily enough, I didn't see your complaint about the new wikiproject, and I created a separate section myself! In any case, hope to work together in producing a better Wikipedia, free of propaganda by fringe groups.
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User:Inigmatus had posted [1] the following:
but then backpedaled and deleted it [2], claiming that: "sorry didnt mean to post that. i was being a jerk. it's not very Yeshua-like. erased" I was nevertheless going to post before he did so, and here it is:
I wasn't confused about my using the term "crusade" in my deleted message to you. I think it served as quite appropriate reminder of how the tables seem to be turned here. Messianic Judaism does not ride on the back of Judaism. Messianic Judaism exposits, and then points to Judaism and Christianity and lets the reader decide for themselves between the three. I can't believe you seem to want us to create our own pages such as "Messianic Halakha" or "Messianic Tefillin" or "Messianic Gartel." Even you would admit that such contributions would be redundant. If you want us to create more pages for you to police, then so be it. inigmatus 18:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Based on the sources at the bottom, she seems somewhat notable; first woman to escape Auschwitz etc. I think the article just needs a little cleaning up and footnoting. Jayjg (talk) 20:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
[3] Jayjg (talk) 21:05, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
OK, as long as some people can verify this. IZAK 18:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Keep an eye on this...an anon went through the article on Christmas and again sometime today, and added a bunch of "skeptic's rubbish". Viz. [4] Cheers, Tom e r talk 23:59, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Only just now getting back to you Izak to say thanks, it was my first human contact on Wikipedia. You might like to visit my own personal page which is shaping up in response to the challenges of people who come in on the line of "I'm entitled to edit just as much as you, sucks to you". I shall remember your quote about Wikipedia being like yeshivot. I'm not even Jewish myself (not in this lifetime anyway!! - I say this because so much of it, esp. Moses at present, seems so close and familiar...). Keep up the good work! Lucy Skywalker 14:06, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
When you get a chance, please take a look at Jews and Judaism in Uzbekistan. Thanks, KazakhPol 19:00, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I've added {{ nn}} to the top, we'll see whether anyone can demonstrate that the subject is worthy of its own article. I'd recommend contacting those editors who have worked on the article in the past (it's not exactly a new article), to see what they've got... I can't help but notice that the article doesn't even attempt to bring sources that would indicate how Hitler's contacts with Jews might have influenced him, positively or negatively...which is the only reason I can imagine the article bearing any claim to notability whatsoever. That notwithstanding, even if notability is established, the name needs to be changed to Adolf Hitler's contacts with Jews. "Jewish people" in this case is quite clearly a misguided euphamism by someone who thinks "Jew" is pejorative. Tom e r talk 02:23, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
That's a very strange article. The person who created it created other strange articles as well; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jewish-Arab conflict. Jayjg (talk) 02:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I've now also added {{ orphan}} to it... It's interesting so many editors could have found the article over such an extended period of time when it isn't linked to anywhence! Tom e r talk 02:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Izak, I have AfDd the article. gidonb 03:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Another article I had thankfully forgotten. It's mostly original research mixed with a re-hash of other articles; in any event, it has been moved. Jayjg (talk) 03:08, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I just happened across Wikipedia_talk:Deletion_policy/Archive_23#Informing_the_creators_is_being_ignored which went down when I was busy in RL. Applause. If there's an new fight, ... just yell (with a whisper)! <g> Happy New Year! // Fra nkB 08:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
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Sounds right to me.-- Lance talk 10:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
It should be merged into other such articles and all should be moved under "critism of israel and zionism" similar to islamic apartheid Zeq 16:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Wow... I have not heard of this. Let's check the big encyclopedias and if the Judaica and the Britannica don't have it, then let's remove it. - crz crztalk 18:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I've sourced the claim. Jayjg (talk) 19:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I noticed your message on some other talk pages. This is a hotly-contested issue. Rambam and his family had to move from place to place within Spain for some time, as the Almohads advanced they may have overtaken the family and forced them to convert. Lewis does popularize the theory that Rambam had to convert to save his life (and later recanted) but other scholars have other opinions. Just off the first two pages of a google search I found the following divergent opinions: [6], [7] [8][\
-- Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
See my responses at Talk:List of Muslim converts#Removing Maimonides from the list. Thanks, IZAK 04:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Shirahadasha. -- Chussid 10:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
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I noticed that you have been recategorizing some of the Rabbi categories as "religious leaders" instead of "clergy." Aren't rabbis clergy? -- Eliyak T· C 00:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
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-- D-Boy 17:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I saw that you raised an objection to the swastika in hinduism related templates. Although the swastika is widely used in India, I realize that it is inflammatory in Europe and the US, and perhaps other parts of the world. Although the swastika deserves a place in articles related to Hindu symbolism, I don't believe it adds significant informative content to the articles which are likely to include the templates you have identified. -- BostonMA talk 23:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I have placed a notice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hinduism [9] which is perhaps the best location for a discussion. If there are no responses, I will change the templates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BostonMA ( talk • contribs)
Izak, could we please not fragment the discussion into 20,000 different pieces? If you want to inform people of the change, that's great, but please do so by making a link to the central discussion at WP:HINDU, not by reposting all of your arguments there without any central discussion link. -- tjstrf talk 01:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Please continue this discussion and post all comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hinduism#Use of Swastika Thank you. IZAK 01:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Dear IZAK. Please do me the favor of never again posting your mass messages on my talk page. Unless it's a request for me, or a message that's somehow meyuchad for my attention, I would rather not receive it. Back when you used to email, it was inobtrusive - because I could easily delete it if I wasn't interested - but on my talk page I have nothing intelligent to do with it. I won't remove it, and I don't like to archive piecemeal. So I am asking to please take me off your marketing list. To be sure, I don't love you any less, but I'd rather not receive the messages. Your friend, - crz crztalk 01:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Mr. Rosenberg has said in the past, and on his website, that he is a Messianic Jew attending a Messianic synagouge. -- DandanxD 12:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
What possible strength do you think this post gives to your argument? From beginning to end, your entire post was just as offensive as you intended it to be. I don't know whom you regard as your spiritual authorities, but if they condone this type of behavior, perhaps you should consider looking elsewhere. If your intent was to commit a chillul Hashem, congratulations on succeeding spectacularly. If not, I await your apology. Shabath shalom. Tom e r talk 22:16, 5 January 2007 (UTC)\
Shavua` tov, IZAK. I will respond to this later, as I think there are some serious issues here that require addressing. Tom e r talk 10:57, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see Anti-Zionism and Joel Teitelbaum. Jayg and Humus are out to delete all references to jewsagainstzionism.com, claiming WP:RS. -- Chussid 10:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
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This is an automated delivery by grafikbot 22:49, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey, I thought I has posted here to ask for your help, but I guess not. Anyways, there's an anon user at the Birthright page adding an extremely PoV "Controversy" section making totally outlandish claims. I came up with a compromise section, but the anon refuses to budget. Would you please weigh in on the issue? Thanks. -- Chabuk [ T • C ] 21:08, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, it's a sub-category of Category:Killed in action, so I'm guessing it was intended only for those who were killed; but it's a pretty bad name for a category either way. ;-) Kirill Lokshin 21:12, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Doron: Hope all is well with you and yours. You have not enabled your Wikipedia Email feature in your "tool box" on the left hand side of your user page. Sometimes editors overlook that when it's a useful way of staying in touch with other editors. Best wishes. Lehitraot, IZAK 14:25, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey IZAK, what did you mean here when you added ":"? Shabbat shalom. ← Humus sapiens ну ? 00:23, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
This seems to be from August but my guess is that it wasn't empty before, i probably stumbled upon an article about an Australian synagogue and created the list, then that article was removed from the category/deleted. Amoruso 20:25, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi IZAK, Shavuah Tov, and have an easy fast. The intro you added to the Korban article contains some general statements that may not be strictly true in some cases and perhaps should be qualified. In particular:
Korban (Hebrew: "sacrifice" קרבן) (plural: Korbanot קרבנות) refers to any one of a variety of sacrificial offerings described and commanded in the Torah (Hebrew Bible) that were offered in a variety of settings by the ancient Israelites, and then by the Kohanim (the Jewish "priest/s" only) in the Temple in Jerusalem. The system of offering any kind of korban ended with the destruction of the Second Jewish Temple.
a. there were free-will (non-"commanded") offerings, so perhaps "specified" or "described" might be better language. b. About the "only" in "Jewish priest/s only". For non-communal offerings ordinary Yisraelim brought them, could perform shechitah, etc. Perhaps "and then through the Kohanim (Jewish priests)"... might be better language, since "through" may be a little bit less exclusive than "by" and the "only" isn't needed. c. There were occassional attempts at reviving korbanot after the destruction, e.g. during the Bar Kochba Revolt. Perhaps "Despite occassional isolated attempts at revival, the offering of any kind of korbanot ended..."
Best, -- Shirahadasha 03:00, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I recently saw your edits to Jews and Judaism in Kazakhstan and Jews in Tajikistan. Per the naming used on Islam in country articles, and Christianity in country articles, shouldnt these be titled "Judaism in Kazakhstan" and "Judaism in Tajikistan"? Also, I see the categories seem to be Jews and Judaism, so the question also applies to them. KazakhPol 05:12, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
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I used to be a member of the jewsforjudaism.org forums. So relax. Funnily enough, I didn't see your complaint about the new wikiproject, and I created a separate section myself! In any case, hope to work together in producing a better Wikipedia, free of propaganda by fringe groups.
דברים 6:4
שְׁמַ֖ע יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל יְהוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ יְהוָ֥ה ׀ אֶחָֽד
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12:07, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
User:Inigmatus had posted [1] the following:
but then backpedaled and deleted it [2], claiming that: "sorry didnt mean to post that. i was being a jerk. it's not very Yeshua-like. erased" I was nevertheless going to post before he did so, and here it is:
I wasn't confused about my using the term "crusade" in my deleted message to you. I think it served as quite appropriate reminder of how the tables seem to be turned here. Messianic Judaism does not ride on the back of Judaism. Messianic Judaism exposits, and then points to Judaism and Christianity and lets the reader decide for themselves between the three. I can't believe you seem to want us to create our own pages such as "Messianic Halakha" or "Messianic Tefillin" or "Messianic Gartel." Even you would admit that such contributions would be redundant. If you want us to create more pages for you to police, then so be it. inigmatus 18:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Based on the sources at the bottom, she seems somewhat notable; first woman to escape Auschwitz etc. I think the article just needs a little cleaning up and footnoting. Jayjg (talk) 20:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
[3] Jayjg (talk) 21:05, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
OK, as long as some people can verify this. IZAK 18:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Keep an eye on this...an anon went through the article on Christmas and again sometime today, and added a bunch of "skeptic's rubbish". Viz. [4] Cheers, Tom e r talk 23:59, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
Only just now getting back to you Izak to say thanks, it was my first human contact on Wikipedia. You might like to visit my own personal page which is shaping up in response to the challenges of people who come in on the line of "I'm entitled to edit just as much as you, sucks to you". I shall remember your quote about Wikipedia being like yeshivot. I'm not even Jewish myself (not in this lifetime anyway!! - I say this because so much of it, esp. Moses at present, seems so close and familiar...). Keep up the good work! Lucy Skywalker 14:06, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
When you get a chance, please take a look at Jews and Judaism in Uzbekistan. Thanks, KazakhPol 19:00, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
I've added {{ nn}} to the top, we'll see whether anyone can demonstrate that the subject is worthy of its own article. I'd recommend contacting those editors who have worked on the article in the past (it's not exactly a new article), to see what they've got... I can't help but notice that the article doesn't even attempt to bring sources that would indicate how Hitler's contacts with Jews might have influenced him, positively or negatively...which is the only reason I can imagine the article bearing any claim to notability whatsoever. That notwithstanding, even if notability is established, the name needs to be changed to Adolf Hitler's contacts with Jews. "Jewish people" in this case is quite clearly a misguided euphamism by someone who thinks "Jew" is pejorative. Tom e r talk 02:23, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
That's a very strange article. The person who created it created other strange articles as well; see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jewish-Arab conflict. Jayjg (talk) 02:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I've now also added {{ orphan}} to it... It's interesting so many editors could have found the article over such an extended period of time when it isn't linked to anywhence! Tom e r talk 02:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Izak, I have AfDd the article. gidonb 03:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Another article I had thankfully forgotten. It's mostly original research mixed with a re-hash of other articles; in any event, it has been moved. Jayjg (talk) 03:08, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I just happened across Wikipedia_talk:Deletion_policy/Archive_23#Informing_the_creators_is_being_ignored which went down when I was busy in RL. Applause. If there's an new fight, ... just yell (with a whisper)! <g> Happy New Year! // Fra nkB 08:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
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Sounds right to me.-- Lance talk 10:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
It should be merged into other such articles and all should be moved under "critism of israel and zionism" similar to islamic apartheid Zeq 16:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Wow... I have not heard of this. Let's check the big encyclopedias and if the Judaica and the Britannica don't have it, then let's remove it. - crz crztalk 18:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I've sourced the claim. Jayjg (talk) 19:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I noticed your message on some other talk pages. This is a hotly-contested issue. Rambam and his family had to move from place to place within Spain for some time, as the Almohads advanced they may have overtaken the family and forced them to convert. Lewis does popularize the theory that Rambam had to convert to save his life (and later recanted) but other scholars have other opinions. Just off the first two pages of a google search I found the following divergent opinions: [6], [7] [8][\
-- Briangotts (Talk) (Contrib) 19:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
See my responses at Talk:List of Muslim converts#Removing Maimonides from the list. Thanks, IZAK 04:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Shirahadasha. -- Chussid 10:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
IZAK-
I noticed that you have been recategorizing some of the Rabbi categories as "religious leaders" instead of "clergy." Aren't rabbis clergy? -- Eliyak T· C 00:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
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-- D-Boy 17:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I saw that you raised an objection to the swastika in hinduism related templates. Although the swastika is widely used in India, I realize that it is inflammatory in Europe and the US, and perhaps other parts of the world. Although the swastika deserves a place in articles related to Hindu symbolism, I don't believe it adds significant informative content to the articles which are likely to include the templates you have identified. -- BostonMA talk 23:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I have placed a notice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hinduism [9] which is perhaps the best location for a discussion. If there are no responses, I will change the templates. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BostonMA ( talk • contribs)
Izak, could we please not fragment the discussion into 20,000 different pieces? If you want to inform people of the change, that's great, but please do so by making a link to the central discussion at WP:HINDU, not by reposting all of your arguments there without any central discussion link. -- tjstrf talk 01:22, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Please continue this discussion and post all comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hinduism#Use of Swastika Thank you. IZAK 01:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Dear IZAK. Please do me the favor of never again posting your mass messages on my talk page. Unless it's a request for me, or a message that's somehow meyuchad for my attention, I would rather not receive it. Back when you used to email, it was inobtrusive - because I could easily delete it if I wasn't interested - but on my talk page I have nothing intelligent to do with it. I won't remove it, and I don't like to archive piecemeal. So I am asking to please take me off your marketing list. To be sure, I don't love you any less, but I'd rather not receive the messages. Your friend, - crz crztalk 01:37, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Mr. Rosenberg has said in the past, and on his website, that he is a Messianic Jew attending a Messianic synagouge. -- DandanxD 12:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
What possible strength do you think this post gives to your argument? From beginning to end, your entire post was just as offensive as you intended it to be. I don't know whom you regard as your spiritual authorities, but if they condone this type of behavior, perhaps you should consider looking elsewhere. If your intent was to commit a chillul Hashem, congratulations on succeeding spectacularly. If not, I await your apology. Shabath shalom. Tom e r talk 22:16, 5 January 2007 (UTC)\
Shavua` tov, IZAK. I will respond to this later, as I think there are some serious issues here that require addressing. Tom e r talk 10:57, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Please see Anti-Zionism and Joel Teitelbaum. Jayg and Humus are out to delete all references to jewsagainstzionism.com, claiming WP:RS. -- Chussid 10:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)