Affiliates
Non-encyclopedic and confusing edit. Who cares what it says on the bottom of a website? What is the point of redundantly putting "affiliate" here when Columbia University is in the name? Also ALL TC graduates get Columbia Univesity diplomas not just the Ph.D. graduates... CUfiveo ( talk) 15:45, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
I have zero affiliation to Columbia University...your sources ar weak, try using the official charters and statutes: https://secretary.columbia.edu/files/secretary/university_charters_and_statutes/University%20Charters%20and%20Statutes_June2017.pdf CUfiveo ( talk) 16:08, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
I showed you official University documents and you are showing me random websites.... TC and Barnard both have different types of affiliations with the university they shouldn't be lumped together, but the affiliation is basically financial not academic so why is it important to list that here? CUfiveo ( talk) 16:23, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
I went to Vanderbilt CUfiveo ( talk) 16:27, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
I got into TC too and regretfully turned down the opportunity to get an Ivy League degree because of the nonsense I read on here when making my decision... CUfiveo ( talk) 16:39, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
So what if they are "affiliates"? Do you even understand what "affiliate" means? Why does that need to be noted in the grad school listing? It looks stupid... CUfiveo ( talk) 16:45, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
What do you think "affiliate" means? It looks stupid because it is redundant... CUfiveo ( talk) 16:56, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Just because Columbia and TC have a complex and unprecedented FINANCIAL relationship (affiliation?) does not have any bearing on the academics or anything else including the fact graduates get Columbia diplomas... CUfiveo ( talk) 17:17, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Look up the definition of "affiliate" otherwise you are just brainlessly perpetuating a redundancy... CUfiveo ( talk) 17:22, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Here I did it for you:
affiliate verb (əˈfɪlɪˌeɪt) (tr; foll by to or with) to receive into close connection or association (with a larger body, group, organization, etc); adopt as a member, branch, etc (foll by with) to associate (oneself) or be associated, esp as a subordinate or subsidiary; bring or come into close connectionhe affiliated himself with the Union noun (əˈfɪlɪɪt, -ˌeɪt) a person or organization that is affiliated with another (as modifier)an affiliate member
affiliate verb af·fil·i·ate | \ ə-ˈfi-lē-ˌāt \ affiliated; affiliating Legal Definition of affiliate (Entry 1 of 2) transitive verb 1 : to bring or receive into close association as a member or division 2 : to join or associate as a member or division intransitive verb
has just affiliated with the huge corporation Other Words from affiliate
affiliate noun af·fil·i·ate | \ ə-ˈfi-lē-ət \ Legal Definition of affiliate (Entry 2 of 2)
specifically : a business entity effectively controlling or controlled by another or associated with others under common ownership or control — compare PARENT sense 2, SUBSIDIARY CUfiveo ( talk) 17:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
It's not their descion to list "affiliate" on an encyclopedic entry, it's yours and you are wrong to do it... justify listing it with reason not brainless copying CUfiveo ( talk) 17:32, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Redundant in that is needlessly repetitive... CUfiveo ( talk) 17:38, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
You can list the exact relationship TC and Columbia have to every minute detail in the description but I find it almost pejorative and redundant to list "affiliate" next to TC in the grad school listing... CUfiveo ( talk) 17:40, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
There are better words to describe the relationship than "affiliate", but it is a start to accurately describing it... however to shove "affiliate" into the grad school listing is redundant and so far not unjustified other than something seemingly pejorative CUfiveo ( talk) 17:59, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
justified* CUfiveo ( talk) 18:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Honestly, $$$ and maybe a little pretentiousness... Who cares what they have to say for wiki anyways, CONFLICT OF INTEREST! Why the people that made the website decided to use the word "affiliate" the way they did in the listing you mean... either way, it comes across as though the term is "non-affiliate" rather than "affiliate" the way it is being used and it is redundant/confusing and should be avoided CUfiveo ( talk) 04:29, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
The official statutes should make it clear TC graduates get Columbia University diplomas... Staff and students have a COI that would prevent them from editing... The relationship is unique in its financial situation and administration, academics aren’t different or affected thus no need to clarify “affiliate” in the grad school listing, rather it’d be better to accurately describe the relationship in the body... plus you said it yourself, it wouldn’t be listed if it was a non-affiliate thus adding “affiliate” to the listing is redundant and confusing 2603:9000:6504:12BD:1D2:14E4:C4AF:D435 ( talk) 09:36, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
I’m not arguing TC is often described or listed as an “affiliate” aka “member” or “integrated institution”... what I am arguing is the need to point that out in the graduate school listing section of the wiki when TC is officially the Graduate School of Education of Columbia and gives only Columbia University diplomas and Columbia University is in the actual legal name... it needs to be fully explained in the body that professors get paid by TC not CU and it has a separate endowment and administration to avoid confusion, not this confusing eyesore of a redundancy you keep insisting on by shoving the word “affiliate” in the listing 2603:9000:6504:12BD:1D2:14E4:C4AF:D435 ( talk) 16:49, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
It’s the legal name not a whim... You redundantly mislead the reader by shoving “affiliate” into the grad school listing when TC wouldn’t be listed there in the first place if it wasn’t actually an affiliate/grad school... the OPIR office that did those numbers not including TC is either deliberately withholding info or is inept... 2603:9000:6504:12BD:1D2:14E4:C4AF:D435 ( talk) 17:38, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
I do know better if the OPIR is saying TC graduates do not get Columbia University diplomas because they do... there is no debate whether TC is an affiliate, the argument is why do you need to redundantly and confusingly add “affiliate” to a grad school listing that inherently already proves that... 2603:9000:6504:12BD:194F:BCDE:13F8:9FE4 ( talk) 22:05, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
English not your first language? How is it your responsibility to do this? Are you getting paid? Putting “affiliate” (which you clearly still don’t know the definition of) next to “Teachers College, Columbia University”(official legal name) is redundant, you said it yourself, if it was a non-affiliate it wouldn’t be listed there... we both know TC is an affiliate, if you want to better or more accurately describe the actual relationship in the body that would make more sense than putting “affiliate” next to TC if you are trying to avoid confusion. The official charters and statutes (more official than your websites) clearly state TC graduates get Columbia University diplomas, just because the corrupt/inept OPIR doesn’t include TC doesn’t change that... 2603:9000:6504:12BD:3565:AD3:A403:1C47 ( talk) 06:26, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
You work for the OPIR, COI buddy, stop editing! Those websites aren’t official documents like the official charters and statutes are... now using logic, if the grad school listings inherently are not non-affiliates what does that make them? If you answered affiliates you win a prize! See why adding “affiliate” next to TC there is redundant/confusing now? 2603:9000:6504:12BD:3565:AD3:A403:1C47 ( talk) 06:51, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Your analogy is garbage... just accurately describe the relationship between TC and CU in the body and leave the grad school listing alone 2603:9000:6504:12BD:3565:AD3:A403:1C47 ( talk) 07:25, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Because it doesn’t fully reflect the actual situation... affiliate doesn’t mean non-affiliate when you want it to... once again, the argument is not over whether TC is an affiliate(it is) it’s whether it is appropriate to put the word “affiliate” next to TC in the grad school listing, which is clearly redundant and confusing... to avoid confusion the relationship between TC and CU should be fully and accurately described in the body but the grad school listing should be left alone... 2603:9000:6504:12BD:3565:AD3:A403:1C47 ( talk) 07:51, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Still no justification to list “affiliate” redundantly next to TC in the grad school listing... if you actually cared about it being confusing you would be arguing for the accurate description of the relationship in the body not for shooting yourself in the foot with the confusing “affiliate” label 2603:9000:6504:12BD:3565:AD3:A403:1C47 ( talk) 08:07, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Those aren’t official university documents and if they are they need to be changed... TC should definitely not get lumped in with those schools the relationship between Columbia and them are so much different. TC is an official grad school and can only give out CU diplomas while JTS offers non-Columbia degree programs with one joint degree program... UTS doesn’t offer any programs leading to a Columbia University diplomas... TC’s President is a CU dean... dude find something better to do 2603:9000:6504:12BD:3565:AD3:A403:1C47 ( talk) 13:22, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Just a quick reminder that “affiliate” does not mean “non-affiliate”... you clearly are still having trouble with that word 2603:9000:6504:12BD:3565:AD3:A403:1C47 ( talk) 13:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Don’t need to change the stupid website to get it right on wiki... you know TC students can take classes at the B-School and classes at every other Columbia grad school they have the prereqs for right? 2603:9000:6504:12BD:3565:AD3:A403:1C47 ( talk) 16:18, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
That analogy is weak and the "official" sources you cite aren't official or correct... your website isn't more official than the official Statues and Charters of CU which clearly state TC graduates get CU diplomas... TC should definitely not get lumped in with JTS or UTS or even Barnard, the relationship between Columbia and them are so much different. TC is an official grad school and can only give out CU diplomas while JTS offers non-Columbia degree programs with only one joint degree program... UTS doesn’t offer any programs leading to a Columbia University diploma... TC’s President is a CU dean... TC is on another level than those seminary schools and it should be reflected in the listing... TC is the official grad school of education of CU it shouldn't have the word "affiliate" redundantly shoved next to it, rather fully describe the relationship in the body CUfiveo ( talk) 19:23, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
PS as was stated before the word "affiliate" doesn't mean "non-affiliate"... you keep forgetting CUfiveo ( talk) 19:29, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
YOU STILL DONT GET THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD "AFFILIATE" STOP EDITING UNTIL YOU DO... (check out page 97 for TC degree/diploma info https://secretary.columbia.edu/files/secretary/university_charters_and_statutes/University%20Charters%20and%20Statutes_June%202013.pdf) Barnard only gives out bachelor degrees and negotiated their relationship with CU completely separate from TC... TC exclusively grants CU graduate degrees as the official graduate school of education, the business school exclusively grants CU graduate degrees too, thus they both should be listed together in the grad school listings... CUfiveo ( talk) 21:01, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
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Teachers College, ColumbiaUniversity, although a separate corporate structure, is the official Faculty and Graduate Department of Education of Columbia University, and TC graduates are Columbia University alumni. Someone mistakenly deleted the sentence, "TC graduates are Columbia University alumni" from the page "Relationship with Columbia University." I hope that sentence will be restored. Brewsterm1 ( talk) 21:42, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with this process and hope I am connecting with the correct editor. I apologize if you have already received this message. If you deleted the sentence, "Teachers College graduates are Columbia University alumni," this was done in error and it should be restored. I have researched this thoroughly. I am a Columbia grad and worked for a time in the TC admissions office. Teachers College, Columbia University, graduates receive Columbia degrees (TC does not grant degrees), and TC is the official Faculty and Department of Education of Columbia, although operating under a separate corporate structure. As you have read, TC graduates may join Columbia alumni association clubs as well as the Columbia Club of New York. Brewsterm1 ( talk) 22:46, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
Affiliates
Non-encyclopedic and confusing edit. Who cares what it says on the bottom of a website? What is the point of redundantly putting "affiliate" here when Columbia University is in the name? Also ALL TC graduates get Columbia Univesity diplomas not just the Ph.D. graduates... CUfiveo ( talk) 15:45, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
I have zero affiliation to Columbia University...your sources ar weak, try using the official charters and statutes: https://secretary.columbia.edu/files/secretary/university_charters_and_statutes/University%20Charters%20and%20Statutes_June2017.pdf CUfiveo ( talk) 16:08, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
I showed you official University documents and you are showing me random websites.... TC and Barnard both have different types of affiliations with the university they shouldn't be lumped together, but the affiliation is basically financial not academic so why is it important to list that here? CUfiveo ( talk) 16:23, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
I went to Vanderbilt CUfiveo ( talk) 16:27, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
I got into TC too and regretfully turned down the opportunity to get an Ivy League degree because of the nonsense I read on here when making my decision... CUfiveo ( talk) 16:39, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
So what if they are "affiliates"? Do you even understand what "affiliate" means? Why does that need to be noted in the grad school listing? It looks stupid... CUfiveo ( talk) 16:45, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
What do you think "affiliate" means? It looks stupid because it is redundant... CUfiveo ( talk) 16:56, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Just because Columbia and TC have a complex and unprecedented FINANCIAL relationship (affiliation?) does not have any bearing on the academics or anything else including the fact graduates get Columbia diplomas... CUfiveo ( talk) 17:17, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Look up the definition of "affiliate" otherwise you are just brainlessly perpetuating a redundancy... CUfiveo ( talk) 17:22, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Here I did it for you:
affiliate verb (əˈfɪlɪˌeɪt) (tr; foll by to or with) to receive into close connection or association (with a larger body, group, organization, etc); adopt as a member, branch, etc (foll by with) to associate (oneself) or be associated, esp as a subordinate or subsidiary; bring or come into close connectionhe affiliated himself with the Union noun (əˈfɪlɪɪt, -ˌeɪt) a person or organization that is affiliated with another (as modifier)an affiliate member
affiliate verb af·fil·i·ate | \ ə-ˈfi-lē-ˌāt \ affiliated; affiliating Legal Definition of affiliate (Entry 1 of 2) transitive verb 1 : to bring or receive into close association as a member or division 2 : to join or associate as a member or division intransitive verb
has just affiliated with the huge corporation Other Words from affiliate
affiliate noun af·fil·i·ate | \ ə-ˈfi-lē-ət \ Legal Definition of affiliate (Entry 2 of 2)
specifically : a business entity effectively controlling or controlled by another or associated with others under common ownership or control — compare PARENT sense 2, SUBSIDIARY CUfiveo ( talk) 17:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
It's not their descion to list "affiliate" on an encyclopedic entry, it's yours and you are wrong to do it... justify listing it with reason not brainless copying CUfiveo ( talk) 17:32, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Redundant in that is needlessly repetitive... CUfiveo ( talk) 17:38, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
You can list the exact relationship TC and Columbia have to every minute detail in the description but I find it almost pejorative and redundant to list "affiliate" next to TC in the grad school listing... CUfiveo ( talk) 17:40, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
There are better words to describe the relationship than "affiliate", but it is a start to accurately describing it... however to shove "affiliate" into the grad school listing is redundant and so far not unjustified other than something seemingly pejorative CUfiveo ( talk) 17:59, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
justified* CUfiveo ( talk) 18:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Honestly, $$$ and maybe a little pretentiousness... Who cares what they have to say for wiki anyways, CONFLICT OF INTEREST! Why the people that made the website decided to use the word "affiliate" the way they did in the listing you mean... either way, it comes across as though the term is "non-affiliate" rather than "affiliate" the way it is being used and it is redundant/confusing and should be avoided CUfiveo ( talk) 04:29, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
The official statutes should make it clear TC graduates get Columbia University diplomas... Staff and students have a COI that would prevent them from editing... The relationship is unique in its financial situation and administration, academics aren’t different or affected thus no need to clarify “affiliate” in the grad school listing, rather it’d be better to accurately describe the relationship in the body... plus you said it yourself, it wouldn’t be listed if it was a non-affiliate thus adding “affiliate” to the listing is redundant and confusing 2603:9000:6504:12BD:1D2:14E4:C4AF:D435 ( talk) 09:36, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
I’m not arguing TC is often described or listed as an “affiliate” aka “member” or “integrated institution”... what I am arguing is the need to point that out in the graduate school listing section of the wiki when TC is officially the Graduate School of Education of Columbia and gives only Columbia University diplomas and Columbia University is in the actual legal name... it needs to be fully explained in the body that professors get paid by TC not CU and it has a separate endowment and administration to avoid confusion, not this confusing eyesore of a redundancy you keep insisting on by shoving the word “affiliate” in the listing 2603:9000:6504:12BD:1D2:14E4:C4AF:D435 ( talk) 16:49, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
It’s the legal name not a whim... You redundantly mislead the reader by shoving “affiliate” into the grad school listing when TC wouldn’t be listed there in the first place if it wasn’t actually an affiliate/grad school... the OPIR office that did those numbers not including TC is either deliberately withholding info or is inept... 2603:9000:6504:12BD:1D2:14E4:C4AF:D435 ( talk) 17:38, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
I do know better if the OPIR is saying TC graduates do not get Columbia University diplomas because they do... there is no debate whether TC is an affiliate, the argument is why do you need to redundantly and confusingly add “affiliate” to a grad school listing that inherently already proves that... 2603:9000:6504:12BD:194F:BCDE:13F8:9FE4 ( talk) 22:05, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
English not your first language? How is it your responsibility to do this? Are you getting paid? Putting “affiliate” (which you clearly still don’t know the definition of) next to “Teachers College, Columbia University”(official legal name) is redundant, you said it yourself, if it was a non-affiliate it wouldn’t be listed there... we both know TC is an affiliate, if you want to better or more accurately describe the actual relationship in the body that would make more sense than putting “affiliate” next to TC if you are trying to avoid confusion. The official charters and statutes (more official than your websites) clearly state TC graduates get Columbia University diplomas, just because the corrupt/inept OPIR doesn’t include TC doesn’t change that... 2603:9000:6504:12BD:3565:AD3:A403:1C47 ( talk) 06:26, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
You work for the OPIR, COI buddy, stop editing! Those websites aren’t official documents like the official charters and statutes are... now using logic, if the grad school listings inherently are not non-affiliates what does that make them? If you answered affiliates you win a prize! See why adding “affiliate” next to TC there is redundant/confusing now? 2603:9000:6504:12BD:3565:AD3:A403:1C47 ( talk) 06:51, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Your analogy is garbage... just accurately describe the relationship between TC and CU in the body and leave the grad school listing alone 2603:9000:6504:12BD:3565:AD3:A403:1C47 ( talk) 07:25, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Because it doesn’t fully reflect the actual situation... affiliate doesn’t mean non-affiliate when you want it to... once again, the argument is not over whether TC is an affiliate(it is) it’s whether it is appropriate to put the word “affiliate” next to TC in the grad school listing, which is clearly redundant and confusing... to avoid confusion the relationship between TC and CU should be fully and accurately described in the body but the grad school listing should be left alone... 2603:9000:6504:12BD:3565:AD3:A403:1C47 ( talk) 07:51, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Still no justification to list “affiliate” redundantly next to TC in the grad school listing... if you actually cared about it being confusing you would be arguing for the accurate description of the relationship in the body not for shooting yourself in the foot with the confusing “affiliate” label 2603:9000:6504:12BD:3565:AD3:A403:1C47 ( talk) 08:07, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Those aren’t official university documents and if they are they need to be changed... TC should definitely not get lumped in with those schools the relationship between Columbia and them are so much different. TC is an official grad school and can only give out CU diplomas while JTS offers non-Columbia degree programs with one joint degree program... UTS doesn’t offer any programs leading to a Columbia University diplomas... TC’s President is a CU dean... dude find something better to do 2603:9000:6504:12BD:3565:AD3:A403:1C47 ( talk) 13:22, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Just a quick reminder that “affiliate” does not mean “non-affiliate”... you clearly are still having trouble with that word 2603:9000:6504:12BD:3565:AD3:A403:1C47 ( talk) 13:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Don’t need to change the stupid website to get it right on wiki... you know TC students can take classes at the B-School and classes at every other Columbia grad school they have the prereqs for right? 2603:9000:6504:12BD:3565:AD3:A403:1C47 ( talk) 16:18, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
That analogy is weak and the "official" sources you cite aren't official or correct... your website isn't more official than the official Statues and Charters of CU which clearly state TC graduates get CU diplomas... TC should definitely not get lumped in with JTS or UTS or even Barnard, the relationship between Columbia and them are so much different. TC is an official grad school and can only give out CU diplomas while JTS offers non-Columbia degree programs with only one joint degree program... UTS doesn’t offer any programs leading to a Columbia University diploma... TC’s President is a CU dean... TC is on another level than those seminary schools and it should be reflected in the listing... TC is the official grad school of education of CU it shouldn't have the word "affiliate" redundantly shoved next to it, rather fully describe the relationship in the body CUfiveo ( talk) 19:23, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
PS as was stated before the word "affiliate" doesn't mean "non-affiliate"... you keep forgetting CUfiveo ( talk) 19:29, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
YOU STILL DONT GET THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD "AFFILIATE" STOP EDITING UNTIL YOU DO... (check out page 97 for TC degree/diploma info https://secretary.columbia.edu/files/secretary/university_charters_and_statutes/University%20Charters%20and%20Statutes_June%202013.pdf) Barnard only gives out bachelor degrees and negotiated their relationship with CU completely separate from TC... TC exclusively grants CU graduate degrees as the official graduate school of education, the business school exclusively grants CU graduate degrees too, thus they both should be listed together in the grad school listings... CUfiveo ( talk) 21:01, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
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Teachers College, ColumbiaUniversity, although a separate corporate structure, is the official Faculty and Graduate Department of Education of Columbia University, and TC graduates are Columbia University alumni. Someone mistakenly deleted the sentence, "TC graduates are Columbia University alumni" from the page "Relationship with Columbia University." I hope that sentence will be restored. Brewsterm1 ( talk) 21:42, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with this process and hope I am connecting with the correct editor. I apologize if you have already received this message. If you deleted the sentence, "Teachers College graduates are Columbia University alumni," this was done in error and it should be restored. I have researched this thoroughly. I am a Columbia grad and worked for a time in the TC admissions office. Teachers College, Columbia University, graduates receive Columbia degrees (TC does not grant degrees), and TC is the official Faculty and Department of Education of Columbia, although operating under a separate corporate structure. As you have read, TC graduates may join Columbia alumni association clubs as well as the Columbia Club of New York. Brewsterm1 ( talk) 22:46, 6 July 2020 (UTC)