This is User:gordonrox24's Talk page Archive1. Do not make changes. Thanks!-- gordonrox24 ( talk) 12:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I saw your question on Sandstein's talk page, and decided to drop a quick response: I don't have personal experience with www.inquirer.net, but it looks fine. Nationmaster isn't, though: it uses Wikipedia as a source for much of its content, so it's off-limits as a source for Wikipedia.— Kww( talk) 04:32, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Gordonrox24:
How do you feel about a DISAMBIGUATION page for Victor Mitchell? LP-mn ( talk) 00:07, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
To respond to your message... No, I can't say he's the same OR a different person. I just BELIEVE he's not likely to be the author. LP-mn ( talk) 00:11, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Why the hesitation? I don't know of any rules to stop us, AND if they ARE one and the same person, then the disambiguation page can always be edited to redirect to the one correct page. LP-mn ( talk) 00:24, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi Gordonrox24, please take this as friendly advice. Looking through your edit history, I don't see where you've been properly welcomed. You can review some of the links at {{ W-graphical}}. I'd really strongly advise you to spend some time in article space, so that you can understand just how difficult it is to make major improvements to articles. You say you've spent lots of effort on the Roblox piece in userspace, but even so it is still very stubbish.
You say that you are far too busy working on that stub, yet at the same time you insist that other editors drop what they're doing to fix an article because you say there's something wrong with it. Don't you think that's a little unfair?
If you spend some time editing articles, you may also learn how consensus works. Mainspace articles and edits get reviewed many times by many people. The J-A Bombardier article was created in 2004, you can bet it has been reviewed by many people beside yourself and I don't see anyone else deciding it should be deleted. Further, the standards in 2004 were not the same as now as far as demanding inline sourcing (or any sourcing at all in many cases). There are many many thousands of articles which might be judged inadequate by today's standards - but that doesn't mean we should just delete all that work. No. We should improve it. That's how encyclopedias grow.
Looking at your recent activity, I see you applying CSD tags to several articles, which are mostly declined. Then you place a prod tag, which mostly gets removed. That means that you are spending your valuable time making work for other people, who then spend their own valuable time removing your tags. Please understand that we all are working very hard, not just you. But most of us don't try to make work for other people, instead we try to fix the problems we already know about. Believe me, there are tons of them (I have around 50 on my list right now) - but the answer is not to delete them, it's to fix them. The big danger here is that you will enthusiastically tag an article for {{ prod}} and it won't be on a current editor's watchlist, and some valuable content will be deleted because you are not properly following policy and custom.
Please do slow down and apply more of your efforts to improving mainspace articles. You will learn a lot and will have more credibility when you decide that articles on important historical figures should be deleted because of arbitrary criteria you've decided on. Actually, editing articles may convince you that indiscriminate delete-tagging is not the way to go in the first place. Franamax ( talk) 23:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
When an article is proposed for deletion, the users watching that article will, for he most part discuss what should be done, coming to a consensus. In this case, you will see comments like:
Keep: per my reason above.
and so on. This is democracy, and is considered a vote.
I have worked with AfD before. Don't assume. If you look at my CSD history, I believe only one has been declined, and my PROD are only proposals, not in any way official. As you said, any editor can remove it if they feel it should be. User:BillCJ and I have worked together before. Take note of the other Bombardier pages, in which we used Consensus vote to move. I have no problem with you, I admire your great enthusiasm to keep watch over Wikipedia. I just don't like it when people assume another editor knows nothing.-- gordonrox24 ( talk) 12:26, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Hey; you tagged this for CSD as "previously deleted in a deletion discussion"; I can't find the relevant AfD. Could you point me towards it? Ironholds ( talk) 18:58, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi there, I have removed the G11 deletion tag you placed on this article, as I don't think it's blatantly promotional, just a few peacock terms that I have now removed. decltype ( talk) 10:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Manmohan Singh and LK Advani are two senior Indian politicians each trying to be elected PM in rivalry against one another. The wikipedia pages of BOTH have been effectively taken over by their partisans. The result is that the "criticism" sections of BOTH are never allowed to say anything genuinely critical. I have faced the same problem on the Advani site as I am now on this site. Kindly put my text back. This is not vandalism but an attempt to get wikipedia to be objective. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seekers2008 ( talk • contribs) 22:37, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for saying you are reverting my text on Manmohan Singh.
I frankly do not know much about Wikipedia but I do know a lot about India's politics. The Manmohan Singh and Advani discussion pages makes clear that a LOT of people are disturbed by the way the pages have been taken over. I shall try to figure out how all this works and report what I can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seekers2008 ( talk • contribs) 03:25, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I have no idea who the editors of Wikipedia are or how they get allotted but someone also needs to do the same with the Advani page as I said... Sleaves? There is an election on in India and basically politico have taken over their respective wikipedia pages. Seekers2008 ( talk) 15:40, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I am impressed with this progress in the procedure I have to say. But obviously such an Administrator-opinion is based on "lack of domain knowledge" in computer-speak. I shall be happy to provide case-evidence for both sites -- please ask the Administrator to write to me if he/she wishes. Seekers2008 ( talk) 22:06, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
[1] - When you see "OTRS" in an edit summary, please don't revert. See also, the talk page of that article where it is clearly stated that we have permission to use the copyrighted content. - Rjd0060 ( talk) 22:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello i am a college student and have an assignment to create a page on wiki i have choose Eriogonum heracleoides for my article and it is due on tuesday. i am learing the ropes on wiki and thats why all the information is not there., please do not delete my pages until after next week at least and i still have much information to put on thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barr1331 ( talk • contribs) 22:22, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Please pay attention and don't revert good faith edits as vandalism. The awards sections in the actor infobox are obsolete, which means they don't show anymore. So there is no point in keeping them in the infobox. Garion96 (talk) 22:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I'll sneak a peek. Sounds like one of these things just needs a simple deletion. -- PMDrive1061 ( talk) 23:37, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
You betcha. The article looks great! -- PMDrive1061 ( talk) 23:44, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
You moved Wayne Marshall (conductor) page back to Wayne Marshall, while I made perfectly clear why a more specific definition in needed, both in move comment and the the article itself.
In fact, I'm sure most internal links to Wayne Marshall are about dance hall deejay, not academic conductor!
You even deleted a disaim page for Wayne Marshall I've created, and you did so without any discussion.
You didn't even bothered letting me know. We are not going to have nice things that way.
Please move pages back, and restore what I've deleted. And please reply on my talk page. Thanks. Netrat ( talk) 00:05, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
This is User:gordonrox24's Talk page Archive1. Do not make changes. Thanks!-- gordonrox24 ( talk) 12:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I saw your question on Sandstein's talk page, and decided to drop a quick response: I don't have personal experience with www.inquirer.net, but it looks fine. Nationmaster isn't, though: it uses Wikipedia as a source for much of its content, so it's off-limits as a source for Wikipedia.— Kww( talk) 04:32, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Gordonrox24:
How do you feel about a DISAMBIGUATION page for Victor Mitchell? LP-mn ( talk) 00:07, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
To respond to your message... No, I can't say he's the same OR a different person. I just BELIEVE he's not likely to be the author. LP-mn ( talk) 00:11, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Why the hesitation? I don't know of any rules to stop us, AND if they ARE one and the same person, then the disambiguation page can always be edited to redirect to the one correct page. LP-mn ( talk) 00:24, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi Gordonrox24, please take this as friendly advice. Looking through your edit history, I don't see where you've been properly welcomed. You can review some of the links at {{ W-graphical}}. I'd really strongly advise you to spend some time in article space, so that you can understand just how difficult it is to make major improvements to articles. You say you've spent lots of effort on the Roblox piece in userspace, but even so it is still very stubbish.
You say that you are far too busy working on that stub, yet at the same time you insist that other editors drop what they're doing to fix an article because you say there's something wrong with it. Don't you think that's a little unfair?
If you spend some time editing articles, you may also learn how consensus works. Mainspace articles and edits get reviewed many times by many people. The J-A Bombardier article was created in 2004, you can bet it has been reviewed by many people beside yourself and I don't see anyone else deciding it should be deleted. Further, the standards in 2004 were not the same as now as far as demanding inline sourcing (or any sourcing at all in many cases). There are many many thousands of articles which might be judged inadequate by today's standards - but that doesn't mean we should just delete all that work. No. We should improve it. That's how encyclopedias grow.
Looking at your recent activity, I see you applying CSD tags to several articles, which are mostly declined. Then you place a prod tag, which mostly gets removed. That means that you are spending your valuable time making work for other people, who then spend their own valuable time removing your tags. Please understand that we all are working very hard, not just you. But most of us don't try to make work for other people, instead we try to fix the problems we already know about. Believe me, there are tons of them (I have around 50 on my list right now) - but the answer is not to delete them, it's to fix them. The big danger here is that you will enthusiastically tag an article for {{ prod}} and it won't be on a current editor's watchlist, and some valuable content will be deleted because you are not properly following policy and custom.
Please do slow down and apply more of your efforts to improving mainspace articles. You will learn a lot and will have more credibility when you decide that articles on important historical figures should be deleted because of arbitrary criteria you've decided on. Actually, editing articles may convince you that indiscriminate delete-tagging is not the way to go in the first place. Franamax ( talk) 23:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
When an article is proposed for deletion, the users watching that article will, for he most part discuss what should be done, coming to a consensus. In this case, you will see comments like:
Keep: per my reason above.
and so on. This is democracy, and is considered a vote.
I have worked with AfD before. Don't assume. If you look at my CSD history, I believe only one has been declined, and my PROD are only proposals, not in any way official. As you said, any editor can remove it if they feel it should be. User:BillCJ and I have worked together before. Take note of the other Bombardier pages, in which we used Consensus vote to move. I have no problem with you, I admire your great enthusiasm to keep watch over Wikipedia. I just don't like it when people assume another editor knows nothing.-- gordonrox24 ( talk) 12:26, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Hey; you tagged this for CSD as "previously deleted in a deletion discussion"; I can't find the relevant AfD. Could you point me towards it? Ironholds ( talk) 18:58, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi there, I have removed the G11 deletion tag you placed on this article, as I don't think it's blatantly promotional, just a few peacock terms that I have now removed. decltype ( talk) 10:22, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi, Manmohan Singh and LK Advani are two senior Indian politicians each trying to be elected PM in rivalry against one another. The wikipedia pages of BOTH have been effectively taken over by their partisans. The result is that the "criticism" sections of BOTH are never allowed to say anything genuinely critical. I have faced the same problem on the Advani site as I am now on this site. Kindly put my text back. This is not vandalism but an attempt to get wikipedia to be objective. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seekers2008 ( talk • contribs) 22:37, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for saying you are reverting my text on Manmohan Singh.
I frankly do not know much about Wikipedia but I do know a lot about India's politics. The Manmohan Singh and Advani discussion pages makes clear that a LOT of people are disturbed by the way the pages have been taken over. I shall try to figure out how all this works and report what I can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seekers2008 ( talk • contribs) 03:25, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I have no idea who the editors of Wikipedia are or how they get allotted but someone also needs to do the same with the Advani page as I said... Sleaves? There is an election on in India and basically politico have taken over their respective wikipedia pages. Seekers2008 ( talk) 15:40, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I am impressed with this progress in the procedure I have to say. But obviously such an Administrator-opinion is based on "lack of domain knowledge" in computer-speak. I shall be happy to provide case-evidence for both sites -- please ask the Administrator to write to me if he/she wishes. Seekers2008 ( talk) 22:06, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
[1] - When you see "OTRS" in an edit summary, please don't revert. See also, the talk page of that article where it is clearly stated that we have permission to use the copyrighted content. - Rjd0060 ( talk) 22:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello i am a college student and have an assignment to create a page on wiki i have choose Eriogonum heracleoides for my article and it is due on tuesday. i am learing the ropes on wiki and thats why all the information is not there., please do not delete my pages until after next week at least and i still have much information to put on thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barr1331 ( talk • contribs) 22:22, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Please pay attention and don't revert good faith edits as vandalism. The awards sections in the actor infobox are obsolete, which means they don't show anymore. So there is no point in keeping them in the infobox. Garion96 (talk) 22:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I'll sneak a peek. Sounds like one of these things just needs a simple deletion. -- PMDrive1061 ( talk) 23:37, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
You betcha. The article looks great! -- PMDrive1061 ( talk) 23:44, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
You moved Wayne Marshall (conductor) page back to Wayne Marshall, while I made perfectly clear why a more specific definition in needed, both in move comment and the the article itself.
In fact, I'm sure most internal links to Wayne Marshall are about dance hall deejay, not academic conductor!
You even deleted a disaim page for Wayne Marshall I've created, and you did so without any discussion.
You didn't even bothered letting me know. We are not going to have nice things that way.
Please move pages back, and restore what I've deleted. And please reply on my talk page. Thanks. Netrat ( talk) 00:05, 11 April 2009 (UTC)