Hi Gnostrat, there's been some trouble a-brewing over at the N-A article - nothing to worry about just yet, but I think we should keep an eye on things for now. Belzub ( talk) 12:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering if you could send me some scans of the Black ram or would like to discuss anarchism please respond either on my user talk page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Freedom_nation) or you can email me at wolfsnguns@aim.com nothing has interested me this much in years and I would love it if you would please respond —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freedom nation ( talk • contribs) 03:32, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I don't know if you're still there, but after Nazi occultism got some negative attention recently, I've decided to clean up some of the worse issues around Ariosophy and neo-völkisch movements. I've flagged The Secret King, Iduna (literature society) and Literarische Donaugesellschaft for deletion, and you might want to object. Zara1709 ( talk) 08:06, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I've radically improved the National-Anarchism article. Any thoughts you would like to share on its talk page? -- Loremaster ( talk) 01:05, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I've improved the National-Anarchism article enough that I now consider it well-written, comprehensive, factually accurate, neutral and stable enough to meet Wikipedia's good article criteria. Any thoughts you would like to share on Talk:National-Anarchism page? -- Loremaster ( talk) 23:15, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
By the way, can you complete the newly-created infobox for Troy Soutgate in the Troy Southgate article? You can look at Karl Marx's infobox in the Karl Mark article to give an idea of what a completed infobox looks like. -- Loremaster ( talk) 00:31, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Hello Gnostrat,
Lately I've been getting increasingly interested in Gnostic ideas, partly through studying the work of Philip K Dick, so I decided to break my Wiki-hibernation and re-initiate contact. A lot of the ideas make an intuitive kind of sense, but I have a couple of reservations towards certain aspects or forms of Gnosticism that, as an entirely ignorant newcomer to Gnosticism, I'd be interested in hearing your views on:
1: Certain strands of Gnosticism appear to demonstrate an extreme anthropomorphism or anti-cosmicism that I find untenable. The epilogue of The Gnostic Religion by Hans Jonas makes an explicit correlation between Descartes' monstrous contempt for the Universe and the denial of the material world central to certain Gnostic sects; is this a fair comparison? A publication by an Australian Gnostic group appeared to argue against this view of Gnosticism, so I'd be interested in other ancient or modern Gnostic strands that lack this anthropomorphic anti-nature worldview.
2: How intrinsic is dualism to the Gnostic worldview?
3: Could a Gnosticism exist that does not view the Demiurge as the creator of the material universe, but simply a corrupter?
I'm probably way off the mark with all of these, so my apologies if I come across as rather cretinous. Hope you are well anyhow.
Belzub 12:08, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
"narrow emphasis on formulas of negation in [Gnostic] myths has frequently been one of the key building blocks in the characterization of an alleged "gnostic" worldview as so "anticosmic" that it could find no help from the visible cosmos in the quest for knowledge of the divine....the category [of Gnosticism] tends to be constructed out of clichés that too often turn out to be misrepresenting many of the supposedly "gnostic" sources. "Anticosmism" is one of the most common of such clichés, and...it is one of the least enlightening and most problematic....it is noteworthy that just those "gnostic" sources that contain the most remarkable instances of extended negative theological discourse happen also to be among the very sources where arguably the most positive -- not most negative -- relationship is depicted between true divinity and the material cosmos."
Would it be fair to say, then, that Gnosticism is quite close to the idea of panentheism? Particularly in relation to the idea of emanation. Belzub ( talk) 17:38, 05 April 2010 (UTC)
There is a thread here that may be of interest to you. Thanks, – xeno talk 13:16, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Hello Gnostrat. Could you please provide me with a full quote of what Goodrick-Clarke has to say about N-A in his 2002 book Black Sun? -- Loremaster ( talk) 19:55, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
[49] Meanwhile, Troy Southgate's National Revolutionary Faction was achieving prominence in the militant underground. Southgate had begun his political career in 1983 with the "Political Soldiers" faction of the National Front, then followed [Nick] Griffin and others into the Italian-inspired International Third Position in 1989. This association lasted until September 1992, when Southgate formed the English Nationalist Movement (ENM). Between 1992 and 1998, the ENM returned to the revolutionary principles of the NF, with an emphasis on the writings of Otto Strasser and Walther Darré alongside the socialist ideas of William Morris, Robert Owen and William Cobbett. Renamed National Revolutionary Faction [50] (NRF) in 1998, the party is committed to "national revolution," advocates a strong Europe and has joined the European Liberation Front, a pan-European alliance of national revolutionaries based on the ideas of Otto Strasser, Francis Parker Yockey and Jean Thiriart. Like other groups in the Euro-American radical right, the NRF is committed to the fight against ZOG and the "New World Order," rejects the democratic process and aims to establish autonomous all-white zones. In August 2000 its strategy of infiltration led to joint actions alongside violent anti-hunt saboteurs of the Animal Liberation Front.
Dear Gnostrat, I see you reverted my edits to the membership of the Thule. While I agree that some of the names may be questionable others were without doubt active members or had accepted honorary positions.
The list I provide was from: - Dietrich Bronder (“Before Hitler Came”) and E. R. Carmin (“Guru Hitler”) .
However, Guido von List is referenced by : - Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke, The Occult Roots of Nazism. Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, U.K.: Aquarian Press, 1985. hb, 293pp, illust, ISBN: 0-85030-402-4. Also see: Gemäss Glowka (1981:25) soll die Thule-Gesellschaft als "Verein zur Pflege deutscher.
I can provide endless solid references for many of the others on the list in particular Bernhard: -" In the spring, Sebottendorff passed the editorship to Hanns Georg Müller; the staff included Wilhelm Laforce and Marc Sesselmarin, both Thule members and later persons of note in the NSDAP; among the contributors were Gottfried Feder and "Redivivus" that is, Bernhard Stempfle, a Catholic völkisch friar who, after being a warm ally of Hitler in the early years, dropped away and was murdered in the Röhm purge of 1934". Source : - Before Hitler came: Thule Society and Germanen Orden Reginald H. Phelps.
"Several people who would become important Nazis, like Hans Frank, Rudolph Hess, and Alfred Rosenberg, were members of the fighting society." Source: - Conservative Radicals: The Einwohnerwehr, Bund Bayern und Reich, and the Limits of Paramilitary Politics in Bavaria, 1918-1928. History, Department of Dissertations, Theses, & Student Research, Department of History. University of Nebraska. Mrfh ( talk) 07:12, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
"One of the main conclusions of Goodrick-Clarke's book is that the occult roots of Nazism is exactly what groups like the Thule Society were not".
I could not agree more. We are on the same page in that regard. The problem with the membership list, is the Thule was mainly a 'front' for covert activity. As such, many of those I listed may well have been activists but never attended academic meetings. Clearly if the claim of over 1,500 members has any validity, few attended meetings as records show they consisted of just a handful of people, listening to lecutures in up market hotel rooms. To the best of my knowledge, meetings were only held in the one city, but cells are said to have existed across Germany.
The kidnapping of Thule members, by Communists, does however suggest the official membership list may have included activists and not just academics. All things considered, I agree the article is the best reflection of the truth now possible and determining the exact membership list probably is impossible. Thank you for responding in such great detail. Best wishes. Mrfh ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:47, 9 May 2010 (UTC).
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I see that you are active on the fish article, where I see no mention of swallowing or tongues... So, do they have tongues? -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 03:04, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Hello Gnostrat. I was wondering if you could intervene in the dispute we are having on the Talk:National-Anarchism page about whether or not Southgate's new NAM manifesto should be mentioned in the article. At the same time, your comments about the current version of the article would be very much appreciated. -- Loremaster ( talk) 21:06, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
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Hi Gnostrat, there's been some trouble a-brewing over at the N-A article - nothing to worry about just yet, but I think we should keep an eye on things for now. Belzub ( talk) 12:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering if you could send me some scans of the Black ram or would like to discuss anarchism please respond either on my user talk page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Freedom_nation) or you can email me at wolfsnguns@aim.com nothing has interested me this much in years and I would love it if you would please respond —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freedom nation ( talk • contribs) 03:32, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I don't know if you're still there, but after Nazi occultism got some negative attention recently, I've decided to clean up some of the worse issues around Ariosophy and neo-völkisch movements. I've flagged The Secret King, Iduna (literature society) and Literarische Donaugesellschaft for deletion, and you might want to object. Zara1709 ( talk) 08:06, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I've radically improved the National-Anarchism article. Any thoughts you would like to share on its talk page? -- Loremaster ( talk) 01:05, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
I've improved the National-Anarchism article enough that I now consider it well-written, comprehensive, factually accurate, neutral and stable enough to meet Wikipedia's good article criteria. Any thoughts you would like to share on Talk:National-Anarchism page? -- Loremaster ( talk) 23:15, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
By the way, can you complete the newly-created infobox for Troy Soutgate in the Troy Southgate article? You can look at Karl Marx's infobox in the Karl Mark article to give an idea of what a completed infobox looks like. -- Loremaster ( talk) 00:31, 13 June 2010 (UTC)
Hello Gnostrat,
Lately I've been getting increasingly interested in Gnostic ideas, partly through studying the work of Philip K Dick, so I decided to break my Wiki-hibernation and re-initiate contact. A lot of the ideas make an intuitive kind of sense, but I have a couple of reservations towards certain aspects or forms of Gnosticism that, as an entirely ignorant newcomer to Gnosticism, I'd be interested in hearing your views on:
1: Certain strands of Gnosticism appear to demonstrate an extreme anthropomorphism or anti-cosmicism that I find untenable. The epilogue of The Gnostic Religion by Hans Jonas makes an explicit correlation between Descartes' monstrous contempt for the Universe and the denial of the material world central to certain Gnostic sects; is this a fair comparison? A publication by an Australian Gnostic group appeared to argue against this view of Gnosticism, so I'd be interested in other ancient or modern Gnostic strands that lack this anthropomorphic anti-nature worldview.
2: How intrinsic is dualism to the Gnostic worldview?
3: Could a Gnosticism exist that does not view the Demiurge as the creator of the material universe, but simply a corrupter?
I'm probably way off the mark with all of these, so my apologies if I come across as rather cretinous. Hope you are well anyhow.
Belzub 12:08, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
"narrow emphasis on formulas of negation in [Gnostic] myths has frequently been one of the key building blocks in the characterization of an alleged "gnostic" worldview as so "anticosmic" that it could find no help from the visible cosmos in the quest for knowledge of the divine....the category [of Gnosticism] tends to be constructed out of clichés that too often turn out to be misrepresenting many of the supposedly "gnostic" sources. "Anticosmism" is one of the most common of such clichés, and...it is one of the least enlightening and most problematic....it is noteworthy that just those "gnostic" sources that contain the most remarkable instances of extended negative theological discourse happen also to be among the very sources where arguably the most positive -- not most negative -- relationship is depicted between true divinity and the material cosmos."
Would it be fair to say, then, that Gnosticism is quite close to the idea of panentheism? Particularly in relation to the idea of emanation. Belzub ( talk) 17:38, 05 April 2010 (UTC)
There is a thread here that may be of interest to you. Thanks, – xeno talk 13:16, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Hello Gnostrat. Could you please provide me with a full quote of what Goodrick-Clarke has to say about N-A in his 2002 book Black Sun? -- Loremaster ( talk) 19:55, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
[49] Meanwhile, Troy Southgate's National Revolutionary Faction was achieving prominence in the militant underground. Southgate had begun his political career in 1983 with the "Political Soldiers" faction of the National Front, then followed [Nick] Griffin and others into the Italian-inspired International Third Position in 1989. This association lasted until September 1992, when Southgate formed the English Nationalist Movement (ENM). Between 1992 and 1998, the ENM returned to the revolutionary principles of the NF, with an emphasis on the writings of Otto Strasser and Walther Darré alongside the socialist ideas of William Morris, Robert Owen and William Cobbett. Renamed National Revolutionary Faction [50] (NRF) in 1998, the party is committed to "national revolution," advocates a strong Europe and has joined the European Liberation Front, a pan-European alliance of national revolutionaries based on the ideas of Otto Strasser, Francis Parker Yockey and Jean Thiriart. Like other groups in the Euro-American radical right, the NRF is committed to the fight against ZOG and the "New World Order," rejects the democratic process and aims to establish autonomous all-white zones. In August 2000 its strategy of infiltration led to joint actions alongside violent anti-hunt saboteurs of the Animal Liberation Front.
Dear Gnostrat, I see you reverted my edits to the membership of the Thule. While I agree that some of the names may be questionable others were without doubt active members or had accepted honorary positions.
The list I provide was from: - Dietrich Bronder (“Before Hitler Came”) and E. R. Carmin (“Guru Hitler”) .
However, Guido von List is referenced by : - Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke, The Occult Roots of Nazism. Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, U.K.: Aquarian Press, 1985. hb, 293pp, illust, ISBN: 0-85030-402-4. Also see: Gemäss Glowka (1981:25) soll die Thule-Gesellschaft als "Verein zur Pflege deutscher.
I can provide endless solid references for many of the others on the list in particular Bernhard: -" In the spring, Sebottendorff passed the editorship to Hanns Georg Müller; the staff included Wilhelm Laforce and Marc Sesselmarin, both Thule members and later persons of note in the NSDAP; among the contributors were Gottfried Feder and "Redivivus" that is, Bernhard Stempfle, a Catholic völkisch friar who, after being a warm ally of Hitler in the early years, dropped away and was murdered in the Röhm purge of 1934". Source : - Before Hitler came: Thule Society and Germanen Orden Reginald H. Phelps.
"Several people who would become important Nazis, like Hans Frank, Rudolph Hess, and Alfred Rosenberg, were members of the fighting society." Source: - Conservative Radicals: The Einwohnerwehr, Bund Bayern und Reich, and the Limits of Paramilitary Politics in Bavaria, 1918-1928. History, Department of Dissertations, Theses, & Student Research, Department of History. University of Nebraska. Mrfh ( talk) 07:12, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
"One of the main conclusions of Goodrick-Clarke's book is that the occult roots of Nazism is exactly what groups like the Thule Society were not".
I could not agree more. We are on the same page in that regard. The problem with the membership list, is the Thule was mainly a 'front' for covert activity. As such, many of those I listed may well have been activists but never attended academic meetings. Clearly if the claim of over 1,500 members has any validity, few attended meetings as records show they consisted of just a handful of people, listening to lecutures in up market hotel rooms. To the best of my knowledge, meetings were only held in the one city, but cells are said to have existed across Germany.
The kidnapping of Thule members, by Communists, does however suggest the official membership list may have included activists and not just academics. All things considered, I agree the article is the best reflection of the truth now possible and determining the exact membership list probably is impossible. Thank you for responding in such great detail. Best wishes. Mrfh ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:47, 9 May 2010 (UTC).
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I see that you are active on the fish article, where I see no mention of swallowing or tongues... So, do they have tongues? -- Ohconfucius ¡digame! 03:04, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Hello Gnostrat. I was wondering if you could intervene in the dispute we are having on the Talk:National-Anarchism page about whether or not Southgate's new NAM manifesto should be mentioned in the article. At the same time, your comments about the current version of the article would be very much appreciated. -- Loremaster ( talk) 21:06, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
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