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Hi Gilgamesh,
I'm assuming from your user page that "Shield of David or Urim and Thummim?" means you think the Star of David was the same as the ancient Urim and Thummim. I'd disagree, because the oldest evidences for the Maggen David's existence are only around 1000 years old - from a Karaite source, coincidently. In fact, things said to be older than that with a Maggen David have consistenly been shown to be fakes.-- Josiah 02:44, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Hi, in Hebrew language I see this: When a vowel is absent, alef stands for /a/. I'm not even 1% of an expert on this, but my impression is that /e/ is just as common or more common (examples: name of the bus line Eger, name of the airline El Al) and other things are possible, like /o/ as in lo, moreover in medial positions it often represents a stop rather than a vowel. If you agree there is a problem, can you fix it? Cheers, -- Zero 09:29, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for your edits. Hope to see you more around related pages. Tom 23:54, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I told you so. "Your" ‘okina is under attack at Hawaii - Marshman 20:48, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I like your "mood" indicator. As you can plainly see, there are a few—but just enough—A--Wipes in this place to make such an indicator necessary. I can see no "logical" argument that will have any sway with these people, whichs makes me want to give up even trying. It's Hawai‘i, and that is how I plan to put it wherever I'm working. Screw consistency. - Marshman 06:43, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Hi, Gilgamesh! Don't know if our edits have crossed paths yet, but I known you are an excellent contributer who has a great deal of respect in the Wikipedia community. Because of this, I was wondering whether you would do me a great honor by supporting my nomination for sysop on RfA. If you feel like I've earned it, go ahead and add your support - it carries a great deal of weight to me and the community at large. If you don't feel I am ready just yet, feel no obligation. Warm regards, Neutrality 05:28, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Please read my comments on the discussion page for Eli (Judges). I corrected the Hebrew spelling, but I do not know the vowelization, so I cannot change the transliteration. Essentially, the issue is the vowel after the ayin: Is it long or short? (It’s not necessarily the same vowel as in the word “Eli” spelled with initial alef.) And I still do not fully understand why we use a macron sometimes and a circumflex others. I bow to your knowledge on the issue. -- Elyaqim 20:45, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism is trying to decide all Hebrew linguistics issues for Wikipedia by themselves. But Hebrew is not purely the realm of Judaism; it is also the realm of Samaritans, Christians and Abrahamic religion as a whole, and also secular Canaanite languages studies. I'm trying to challenge mono-cultural mono-sectarian dominance over a linguistic field that we all should be sharing together. I invite you to participate in trying to pluralize Hebrew language conventions for Wikipedia. In particular, not only is Tiberian Hebrew transliteration challenged, but also Standard Hebrew transliteration, as some people want to use only Israeli Hebrew colloquial transliteration or Ashkenazi Hebrew liturgical transliteration. I think these are perfectly valid and worthy of participation, but not at the total expense of every other Hebrew linguistics study concern. Please support a multi-religious multi-cultural scientific NPOV mandate for studying Hebrew linguistics on Wikipedia. - Gilgamesh 03:00, 18 July 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for the invitation, I would be happy to participate. I was just thinking last night that we need something like this. Where do I sign up? Zestauferov 05:32, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Hi Gilgamesh. I cannot fathom why you are now removing towns and cities in Category:Israel geography and putting them into a non-existent entity "Israel-Palestine" which does not exist? What's up? Is this your way of "destroying" Israel on Wikipedia, as if messing up the Hebrew language is not enough? By all means create new categories, but please leave the existing correct categories in place ! IZAK 08:08, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
There is no "Palestine" as of now, it does not exist as an official country (yet?). And if so, will you also include ALL areas of Trans-Jordan that rightfully are also part of the historical Palestine? What you are doing makes no sense. Tel Aviv and Haifa as part of "Palestine" is both cocking-a-snoot at Israel and does not reflect reality. IZAK 08:32, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
And you Gilgamesh are the one that's come "to the rescue", now isn't that nice! Hmmm, what's next, negation of Judaism articles because Jews are only a small minority in the world and you, knowing what's best for everyone of course, will "settle" all disputes by watering down Israeli and Jewish content and identity. Nice try, but it ain't gonna work because no-one has ever succeeded at it with such stratagems. Don't you have anything else to do, like fishing or something? IZAK 08:44, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Well, you win this round. At least thank me for pulling together those 140+ geographic locations of the ONE Holy Land in the first place (took me some time too), which made it oh so easy for you to just zap 'em, like lined up pigeons (to the slaughter?)! IZAK 09:34, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Hey Josiah, where did you come from? Is issuing threats the best you can do? Do you also agree that Tel Aviv and Haifa should be in a "Palestine" category? Gilgamesh is not Jewish and since he is contributing to Jewish-related items it's good for him to get feed-back from the front-line. In any case, I see that lately your comments to me have NOT contained anything of substance, you have merely taken it upon yourself to act as a nuisance whenever I say anything that is substansive and logical. I had worked very hard on putting together "Category:Israel geography" and therefore was perfectly within my rights to voice my objections. Stop being a pest, and add more real content. IZAK 10:08, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Someone else had created Category:Jerusalem. All you need to do is place your Category:Israel-Palestine Geography at the bottom of the page. Jerusalem is a unique category so do't dump it in with the rest of Israel. IZAK 09:46, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Apparently this seems difficult for people to believe, but I actually shifted to this category name out of an attempt at NPOV. The politics of the geography of Israel and the Palestinian territories are so charged that it seems impossible to separate them into separate issues. There are even so many people who outright deny the existence of Israel or the existence of Palestine. So, Israel-Palestine is a commonly-used neutral term to regard to the geographical region in general, as well as the overlapping social aspects (Arab Israeli towns, Jewish settlements, etc.). In the case of the category and its use in places such as Haifa, "Israel-Palestine" is a geographical term, not a political one. The political question is terribly terribly messy. - Gilgamesh 12:59, 22 July 2004 (UTC)
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Judaism#Category:Israel-Palestine_Geography :
I'll try to avoid decision-making in Israel-Palestine naming issues. You must realize I intended absolutely no offense by it. If someone is always going to dispute "Israel", and someone is always going to dispute "Palestine" and "Palestinian territories", and apparently people are also going to dispute "Israel-Palestine", and alternative names like "Canaan", "Levant", "Holy Land", etc., then what the heck does one call the geographical region in NPOV fashion? If "Israel-Palestine" is not an option, then what on earth is? I can't think of a more neutral and compromising term than that. - Gilgamesh 06:43, 23 July 2004 (UTC)
Finally, Category:Israel geography is fully restored. Thank you. IZAK 10:13, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Judaism#New_article and comments on the talk page at Israel-Palestine. Thanks. Have a good weekend. IZAK 10:50, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Hi. I just translated an article from the Hebrew Wikipedia about Dunash ibn Labrat, a noted medieval grammarian. It could stand for some work by you, particularly on transliteration to distinguish between the shewa na', hataf and other vowels, as well as on certain grammatical topics in Hebrew (how do you say smichut?). If you have a chance, please take a look. Danny 10:32, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Hello Gilgamesh,
Thank you for fixing the missing kahako. I am still a tech newbie, but Idid learn how to create an 'okina. I have been contributing to the Hawai‘i Article too.
Me ke aloha pumehana, a hui hou Ilikea
Hello, I created the original Hanna-Barbera category and have absolutely no objections to it being changed to incorporate Cartoon Network. But I was a bit worried that in the edit summary you put tentatively replaced. I mean, it's a hell of a lot of work to change the category title on a fairly large number of articles. Shouldn't one be sure first? Regards, --[[User:Bodnotbod| bodnotbod ......TALKQuietly)]] 12:38, Jul 31, 2004 (UTC)
Hi, please see [3] Thank you. IZAK 07:57, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I'd be happy to help with Hebrew in any way I can. Danny 01:11, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | → | Archive 10 |
Hi Gilgamesh,
I'm assuming from your user page that "Shield of David or Urim and Thummim?" means you think the Star of David was the same as the ancient Urim and Thummim. I'd disagree, because the oldest evidences for the Maggen David's existence are only around 1000 years old - from a Karaite source, coincidently. In fact, things said to be older than that with a Maggen David have consistenly been shown to be fakes.-- Josiah 02:44, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Hi, in Hebrew language I see this: When a vowel is absent, alef stands for /a/. I'm not even 1% of an expert on this, but my impression is that /e/ is just as common or more common (examples: name of the bus line Eger, name of the airline El Al) and other things are possible, like /o/ as in lo, moreover in medial positions it often represents a stop rather than a vowel. If you agree there is a problem, can you fix it? Cheers, -- Zero 09:29, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for your edits. Hope to see you more around related pages. Tom 23:54, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I told you so. "Your" ‘okina is under attack at Hawaii - Marshman 20:48, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I like your "mood" indicator. As you can plainly see, there are a few—but just enough—A--Wipes in this place to make such an indicator necessary. I can see no "logical" argument that will have any sway with these people, whichs makes me want to give up even trying. It's Hawai‘i, and that is how I plan to put it wherever I'm working. Screw consistency. - Marshman 06:43, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Hi, Gilgamesh! Don't know if our edits have crossed paths yet, but I known you are an excellent contributer who has a great deal of respect in the Wikipedia community. Because of this, I was wondering whether you would do me a great honor by supporting my nomination for sysop on RfA. If you feel like I've earned it, go ahead and add your support - it carries a great deal of weight to me and the community at large. If you don't feel I am ready just yet, feel no obligation. Warm regards, Neutrality 05:28, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Please read my comments on the discussion page for Eli (Judges). I corrected the Hebrew spelling, but I do not know the vowelization, so I cannot change the transliteration. Essentially, the issue is the vowel after the ayin: Is it long or short? (It’s not necessarily the same vowel as in the word “Eli” spelled with initial alef.) And I still do not fully understand why we use a macron sometimes and a circumflex others. I bow to your knowledge on the issue. -- Elyaqim 20:45, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism is trying to decide all Hebrew linguistics issues for Wikipedia by themselves. But Hebrew is not purely the realm of Judaism; it is also the realm of Samaritans, Christians and Abrahamic religion as a whole, and also secular Canaanite languages studies. I'm trying to challenge mono-cultural mono-sectarian dominance over a linguistic field that we all should be sharing together. I invite you to participate in trying to pluralize Hebrew language conventions for Wikipedia. In particular, not only is Tiberian Hebrew transliteration challenged, but also Standard Hebrew transliteration, as some people want to use only Israeli Hebrew colloquial transliteration or Ashkenazi Hebrew liturgical transliteration. I think these are perfectly valid and worthy of participation, but not at the total expense of every other Hebrew linguistics study concern. Please support a multi-religious multi-cultural scientific NPOV mandate for studying Hebrew linguistics on Wikipedia. - Gilgamesh 03:00, 18 July 2004 (UTC)
Thanks for the invitation, I would be happy to participate. I was just thinking last night that we need something like this. Where do I sign up? Zestauferov 05:32, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Hi Gilgamesh. I cannot fathom why you are now removing towns and cities in Category:Israel geography and putting them into a non-existent entity "Israel-Palestine" which does not exist? What's up? Is this your way of "destroying" Israel on Wikipedia, as if messing up the Hebrew language is not enough? By all means create new categories, but please leave the existing correct categories in place ! IZAK 08:08, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
There is no "Palestine" as of now, it does not exist as an official country (yet?). And if so, will you also include ALL areas of Trans-Jordan that rightfully are also part of the historical Palestine? What you are doing makes no sense. Tel Aviv and Haifa as part of "Palestine" is both cocking-a-snoot at Israel and does not reflect reality. IZAK 08:32, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
And you Gilgamesh are the one that's come "to the rescue", now isn't that nice! Hmmm, what's next, negation of Judaism articles because Jews are only a small minority in the world and you, knowing what's best for everyone of course, will "settle" all disputes by watering down Israeli and Jewish content and identity. Nice try, but it ain't gonna work because no-one has ever succeeded at it with such stratagems. Don't you have anything else to do, like fishing or something? IZAK 08:44, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Well, you win this round. At least thank me for pulling together those 140+ geographic locations of the ONE Holy Land in the first place (took me some time too), which made it oh so easy for you to just zap 'em, like lined up pigeons (to the slaughter?)! IZAK 09:34, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Hey Josiah, where did you come from? Is issuing threats the best you can do? Do you also agree that Tel Aviv and Haifa should be in a "Palestine" category? Gilgamesh is not Jewish and since he is contributing to Jewish-related items it's good for him to get feed-back from the front-line. In any case, I see that lately your comments to me have NOT contained anything of substance, you have merely taken it upon yourself to act as a nuisance whenever I say anything that is substansive and logical. I had worked very hard on putting together "Category:Israel geography" and therefore was perfectly within my rights to voice my objections. Stop being a pest, and add more real content. IZAK 10:08, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Someone else had created Category:Jerusalem. All you need to do is place your Category:Israel-Palestine Geography at the bottom of the page. Jerusalem is a unique category so do't dump it in with the rest of Israel. IZAK 09:46, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Apparently this seems difficult for people to believe, but I actually shifted to this category name out of an attempt at NPOV. The politics of the geography of Israel and the Palestinian territories are so charged that it seems impossible to separate them into separate issues. There are even so many people who outright deny the existence of Israel or the existence of Palestine. So, Israel-Palestine is a commonly-used neutral term to regard to the geographical region in general, as well as the overlapping social aspects (Arab Israeli towns, Jewish settlements, etc.). In the case of the category and its use in places such as Haifa, "Israel-Palestine" is a geographical term, not a political one. The political question is terribly terribly messy. - Gilgamesh 12:59, 22 July 2004 (UTC)
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Judaism#Category:Israel-Palestine_Geography :
I'll try to avoid decision-making in Israel-Palestine naming issues. You must realize I intended absolutely no offense by it. If someone is always going to dispute "Israel", and someone is always going to dispute "Palestine" and "Palestinian territories", and apparently people are also going to dispute "Israel-Palestine", and alternative names like "Canaan", "Levant", "Holy Land", etc., then what the heck does one call the geographical region in NPOV fashion? If "Israel-Palestine" is not an option, then what on earth is? I can't think of a more neutral and compromising term than that. - Gilgamesh 06:43, 23 July 2004 (UTC)
Finally, Category:Israel geography is fully restored. Thank you. IZAK 10:13, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Judaism#New_article and comments on the talk page at Israel-Palestine. Thanks. Have a good weekend. IZAK 10:50, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Hi. I just translated an article from the Hebrew Wikipedia about Dunash ibn Labrat, a noted medieval grammarian. It could stand for some work by you, particularly on transliteration to distinguish between the shewa na', hataf and other vowels, as well as on certain grammatical topics in Hebrew (how do you say smichut?). If you have a chance, please take a look. Danny 10:32, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Hello Gilgamesh,
Thank you for fixing the missing kahako. I am still a tech newbie, but Idid learn how to create an 'okina. I have been contributing to the Hawai‘i Article too.
Me ke aloha pumehana, a hui hou Ilikea
Hello, I created the original Hanna-Barbera category and have absolutely no objections to it being changed to incorporate Cartoon Network. But I was a bit worried that in the edit summary you put tentatively replaced. I mean, it's a hell of a lot of work to change the category title on a fairly large number of articles. Shouldn't one be sure first? Regards, --[[User:Bodnotbod| bodnotbod ......TALKQuietly)]] 12:38, Jul 31, 2004 (UTC)
Hi, please see [3] Thank you. IZAK 07:57, 9 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I'd be happy to help with Hebrew in any way I can. Danny 01:11, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)