See especially bugbear's comments and my reply
here (refactored for simplicity). thoughts?
xenocidic (
talk ¿
review )
15:29, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
“ | Kurt's votes are troublesome not because he is standing up for what he believes in, but because they verge on personal attacks. Saying something like "self noms trouble me", "I do not feel comfortable with someone who wants to self nom", or "I cannot support someone who actively seeks adminship" would be fine. But to call someone "power hungry", where I come from, is a personal attack, and wrapping it in Latin doesn't change that. Kurt is more than welcome to his opinion, and no one should begrudge him the way he votes in RfAs, but he should do it civilly -- which accusing someone of power hunger is not. - Revolving Bugbear 13:47, 18 May 2008 (UTC) | ” |
“ | Well said, bugbear. I think you pretty much nailed it there. If Kurt softened the language he uses in his self-nom opposes, it would go a long way to lessening the negative reactions. xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 15:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC) | ” |
I do not understand how suggesting that a person is power-hungry can be described as a personal attack. In dictionary terms power equates to authority and hunger equates to want or need. So power hunger is translatable as "wanting authority", which is self-evident by the fact of a nom being a self-nom. We could stipulate that editors nominated by other editors may well be seen as equally authority-seeking, as they are always free to refuse nomination. Surely any editor undergoing an RfA must want to be an admin in order to be involved in the process, and hence logically all candidates want the authority which admin status confers. They may therefore, in at least some sense, all be seen as power-hungry.
But I fully agree that Kurt have every right to make his point, and would support a proposal, if made, for streams generated by his comment to be routinely removed, if they related to his comment rather than to the actual RfA or the candidate. -- Anthony.bradbury "talk" 18:30, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
See especially bugbear's comments and my reply
here (refactored for simplicity). thoughts?
xenocidic (
talk ¿
review )
15:29, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
“ | Kurt's votes are troublesome not because he is standing up for what he believes in, but because they verge on personal attacks. Saying something like "self noms trouble me", "I do not feel comfortable with someone who wants to self nom", or "I cannot support someone who actively seeks adminship" would be fine. But to call someone "power hungry", where I come from, is a personal attack, and wrapping it in Latin doesn't change that. Kurt is more than welcome to his opinion, and no one should begrudge him the way he votes in RfAs, but he should do it civilly -- which accusing someone of power hunger is not. - Revolving Bugbear 13:47, 18 May 2008 (UTC) | ” |
“ | Well said, bugbear. I think you pretty much nailed it there. If Kurt softened the language he uses in his self-nom opposes, it would go a long way to lessening the negative reactions. xenocidic ( talk ¿ review ) 15:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC) | ” |
I do not understand how suggesting that a person is power-hungry can be described as a personal attack. In dictionary terms power equates to authority and hunger equates to want or need. So power hunger is translatable as "wanting authority", which is self-evident by the fact of a nom being a self-nom. We could stipulate that editors nominated by other editors may well be seen as equally authority-seeking, as they are always free to refuse nomination. Surely any editor undergoing an RfA must want to be an admin in order to be involved in the process, and hence logically all candidates want the authority which admin status confers. They may therefore, in at least some sense, all be seen as power-hungry.
But I fully agree that Kurt have every right to make his point, and would support a proposal, if made, for streams generated by his comment to be routinely removed, if they related to his comment rather than to the actual RfA or the candidate. -- Anthony.bradbury "talk" 18:30, 28 June 2008 (UTC)