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Since a blastocyst can be taken from unused blastocysts leftover from couples' attempts at in vitro fertilization, proponents point out that it is a couple's choice on whether to allow medical research. In addition, advocates point to the potential therapies that are expected to derive from research in this area, which is not possible using adult stem cells or umbilical cord blood. -- K. Sargent
Thanks. I found your explanation. I'm still getting the hang of Wikipedia. Your explanation helped me learn more about how Wiki works. -- K. Sargent
I have no idea what you are talking about.-- Getaway 20:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Please do not remove cited material from articles. If you see a citation that appears to be incorrect, but a statement which is itself plausible, please do the right thing and search around a little bit to see if you can find the appropriate citation for an assertion. Additionally, having looked over the edit history, I found evidence that you did indeed make edits [1] [2] that could be construed as attempting to put inappropriate point-of-view material or analysis into an article. Please, while we value your contributions, the standards set out in WP:NPOV are not negotiable or flexible. Neutral point of view is one of the keystones of the project keeping encyclopedic. Thank you. -- Kuzaar- T- C- 04:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello again, Getaway. Allow me to start off by apologizing if I came off as overbearing last night. The reason for my (possibly undue) concern over some of the edits you made were as follows: In my experience working on the encyclopedia, I have recognized more and more the importance that image plays in how a person is viewed in the political universe. As such, any public forum about a figure of public standing is sure to attract people with vested interests in the image of the subject. As such, my expression of concern for the article was not about you specifically, certainly, but rather for the integrity of the article's balanced POV that editors spent some time working on bringing to neutrality a couple months ago. Most specifically, when I said I was wary of your edits, I definitely did not intend it as a personal statement toward you- it is my standard practice to watch out for potentially controversial edits being made and to make sure that the editors making them (even if they are perfectly legitimate editors, such as you yourself appear to be) do not exhibit a pattern of making edits that try to add analysis, opinion, or undue comments by the encyclopedia's narrative voice. It may at a glance seem to be interfering behavior, but I think that for the purposes of the integrity of articles dealing with important people, it is a necessary step.
Please do not encourage editors to ignore policy and NPOV rules. In reminding users on their talk pages of the cornerstones of Wikipedia's policies, I am encouraging them to help make the project more encyclopedic. By encouraging them to ignore what I say, you imply that NPOV does not matter. This is not true; NPOV is not negotiable and is mandatory, particularly for articles about controversial subjects. If this was not your intention, please keep in mind that new editors commonly do not have a complete understanding of all of the cornerstone rules for editing at Wikipedia, and that while they should be encouraged to contribute, it is vitally important to maintain neutral point of view in the narrative voice of articles. -- Kuzaar- T- C- 13:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
One of wikipedia's tenants is to assume good faith. In your last edit summary at Georgia 4th congressional district election, 2006, you said "removed commentary of a Wikipedian". In fact, the text you removed - text that I put in - was taken directly from a politics1.com page. I don't feel strongly about the text, one way or another, but I do mind being accused of adding "commentary". I don't. (And yes, the text was not sourced - but "Removed commentary" would have sufficed as an edit summary.) John Broughton 17:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
5th amendment...Damn lawyers... youngamerican ( ahoy-hoy) 17:28, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
for that critical hint of yours acc. to me very short posting GÜNTER GRASS - afaIk I didn´t act as a vandal -he or she;-)- but just placed another additional hard-core information, naming the open source, on the Grass-years 1944/45. Nevetheless I´ll do me best;-) and will the next time at first post any message to the "talk" page, starting actually telling you this link - a smart commentary on the GraSS-affair in Germany as given by Richard Albrecht, editor of the independent online-magazine for civil rights in Germany, "rechtskultur" [ [3]], which might be of interest for you [ [4]], yours sincerely, MvS Aug. 17, 2006
The news states the whole party, also it includes Lech Welsea, and others. Please discuss on talk page and provide citation to claim "only" MP - it's not true. I'm from Poland and you can believe me:>.
Szwedzki 19:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
In your summary upon deletion of this section, you confuse the issues of “original research” with POV. A piece can have POV but be heavily cited, and it can be original research without POV.
And lack of citation is not sufficient to show that something is “original research” as defined for purposes of Wikipedia policy. The essence of “original research” is that it is novel to the editor.
On the other hand, if something is perfectly obvious, then the only thing that it contributes to an article would be flow, helping the reader to move from one point to later points. In the case of the section that you deleted, there are no further points. Hence, I see little reason to restore the section; I object here to your argument for deletion as its application elsewhere might genuinely damage an article. — 12.72.119.59 08:11, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
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This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
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Since a blastocyst can be taken from unused blastocysts leftover from couples' attempts at in vitro fertilization, proponents point out that it is a couple's choice on whether to allow medical research. In addition, advocates point to the potential therapies that are expected to derive from research in this area, which is not possible using adult stem cells or umbilical cord blood. -- K. Sargent
Thanks. I found your explanation. I'm still getting the hang of Wikipedia. Your explanation helped me learn more about how Wiki works. -- K. Sargent
I have no idea what you are talking about.-- Getaway 20:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Please do not remove cited material from articles. If you see a citation that appears to be incorrect, but a statement which is itself plausible, please do the right thing and search around a little bit to see if you can find the appropriate citation for an assertion. Additionally, having looked over the edit history, I found evidence that you did indeed make edits [1] [2] that could be construed as attempting to put inappropriate point-of-view material or analysis into an article. Please, while we value your contributions, the standards set out in WP:NPOV are not negotiable or flexible. Neutral point of view is one of the keystones of the project keeping encyclopedic. Thank you. -- Kuzaar- T- C- 04:15, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello again, Getaway. Allow me to start off by apologizing if I came off as overbearing last night. The reason for my (possibly undue) concern over some of the edits you made were as follows: In my experience working on the encyclopedia, I have recognized more and more the importance that image plays in how a person is viewed in the political universe. As such, any public forum about a figure of public standing is sure to attract people with vested interests in the image of the subject. As such, my expression of concern for the article was not about you specifically, certainly, but rather for the integrity of the article's balanced POV that editors spent some time working on bringing to neutrality a couple months ago. Most specifically, when I said I was wary of your edits, I definitely did not intend it as a personal statement toward you- it is my standard practice to watch out for potentially controversial edits being made and to make sure that the editors making them (even if they are perfectly legitimate editors, such as you yourself appear to be) do not exhibit a pattern of making edits that try to add analysis, opinion, or undue comments by the encyclopedia's narrative voice. It may at a glance seem to be interfering behavior, but I think that for the purposes of the integrity of articles dealing with important people, it is a necessary step.
Please do not encourage editors to ignore policy and NPOV rules. In reminding users on their talk pages of the cornerstones of Wikipedia's policies, I am encouraging them to help make the project more encyclopedic. By encouraging them to ignore what I say, you imply that NPOV does not matter. This is not true; NPOV is not negotiable and is mandatory, particularly for articles about controversial subjects. If this was not your intention, please keep in mind that new editors commonly do not have a complete understanding of all of the cornerstone rules for editing at Wikipedia, and that while they should be encouraged to contribute, it is vitally important to maintain neutral point of view in the narrative voice of articles. -- Kuzaar- T- C- 13:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
One of wikipedia's tenants is to assume good faith. In your last edit summary at Georgia 4th congressional district election, 2006, you said "removed commentary of a Wikipedian". In fact, the text you removed - text that I put in - was taken directly from a politics1.com page. I don't feel strongly about the text, one way or another, but I do mind being accused of adding "commentary". I don't. (And yes, the text was not sourced - but "Removed commentary" would have sufficed as an edit summary.) John Broughton 17:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
5th amendment...Damn lawyers... youngamerican ( ahoy-hoy) 17:28, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
for that critical hint of yours acc. to me very short posting GÜNTER GRASS - afaIk I didn´t act as a vandal -he or she;-)- but just placed another additional hard-core information, naming the open source, on the Grass-years 1944/45. Nevetheless I´ll do me best;-) and will the next time at first post any message to the "talk" page, starting actually telling you this link - a smart commentary on the GraSS-affair in Germany as given by Richard Albrecht, editor of the independent online-magazine for civil rights in Germany, "rechtskultur" [ [3]], which might be of interest for you [ [4]], yours sincerely, MvS Aug. 17, 2006
The news states the whole party, also it includes Lech Welsea, and others. Please discuss on talk page and provide citation to claim "only" MP - it's not true. I'm from Poland and you can believe me:>.
Szwedzki 19:09, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
In your summary upon deletion of this section, you confuse the issues of “original research” with POV. A piece can have POV but be heavily cited, and it can be original research without POV.
And lack of citation is not sufficient to show that something is “original research” as defined for purposes of Wikipedia policy. The essence of “original research” is that it is novel to the editor.
On the other hand, if something is perfectly obvious, then the only thing that it contributes to an article would be flow, helping the reader to move from one point to later points. In the case of the section that you deleted, there are no further points. Hence, I see little reason to restore the section; I object here to your argument for deletion as its application elsewhere might genuinely damage an article. — 12.72.119.59 08:11, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
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