As the page creator, you do not claim any rights. The page can be edited freely by all. That is what wikipedia is. Leave the column with the route numbers in alone.
Similarly Rcsprinter, you have no right to tell people what to do and boss them around. What is the problem regarding the Tyne and Wear page, you both seem to want different things, but it's hard to tell what as Rcsprinter keeps reverting without using the edit summary to explain what is being done? Arriva436talk/
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I am a little... uncertain myself; this page was created after 2 weeks of extensive experimentation to create the optimum column widths for maximum viewing (as someone with over 20 years of database design & management, I know the importance of layout and style). The data in each column needs to be is as standard a format as possible, as no one element is more important than another (I'm sure you agree with that) so having one column with a totally different alignment looks rather 'awkward'. Additionally, using rather arbitary Route Number groupings without, seemingly, any form of logic in their sizings is confusing - I would never deign to make such assumptions (is it something to do with equalizing the sizes of the groups, perhaps?)
And is there any reason for Route 515 to be in such an obviously erronious location?
On the matter of Notes, it all relates to the basic purpose of the page - a list of routes IN TYNE AND WEAR, meaning those that run either wholly within the county OR journeys that cross the border but run to/from Tyne and Wear; therefore, information about specific journeys that operate wholly outwith the county fall outside the remit of the page.
I do accept that I was excessive in my defence of my page (for which I unreservedly apologise), but I do have to step in and object when information is added that is entirely inaccurate; the 'updates' contain a multiple example of a basic information error and, having been involved in Public Transport for 30 years, I must pull up such a 'schoolboy' mistake - I actually find it hard to accept that someone who proclaims their transport knowledge would be guilty of such an error.
At the end of the day, I have used my professional abilities in inter-related fields in the creation of this and all my other pages, in order to provide a resource that is easy to use, logical and, above all, something I can be justifyably proud of. Geordiewomble 18:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Winlaton - I'll certainly flesh it out once you have it up (I already have the table sorted!)
Hexham & Stanley - I won't do those at this moment in time because my primary concern is with Tyne & Wear (though I have no problem with expanding into County Durham as and when time permits).
Can I also ask a couple of wee favours?
1) Could you rename Killingworth to say 'Bus Station' instead of 'bus station', so it matches the others already created by others?
2) Could you create entries for Jarrow Bus Station & Washington Galleries Bus Station (the 'missing links')?
Ta!
Geordiewomble 09:24, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Killingworth, as other bus stations, is a bit of a wrestling match, "bus station v Bus Station", that might be a bit of my hands.
No problems - if you let me know when they're up and running, I can add the Route Lists.
Geordiewomble 17:11, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, there - err, problem!
I don't know how this has happened but, in adding the Bus Route list to Washington Galleries bus station, I've somehow managed to delete everything else from it! I am really sorry about that - hope you have kept a copy on a spreadsheet or something so you can reinstate it - I'll keep my fingers crossed!
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@
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That's perfect, I'll leave them as is (on the English Men's list, I use the words "New Club", just for emphasis.
You did a superb job - I've added the extra information onto the spreadsheet I keep the list on, so next season's update will correctly include them.
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As the page creator, you do not claim any rights. The page can be edited freely by all. That is what wikipedia is. Leave the column with the route numbers in alone.
Similarly Rcsprinter, you have no right to tell people what to do and boss them around. What is the problem regarding the Tyne and Wear page, you both seem to want different things, but it's hard to tell what as Rcsprinter keeps reverting without using the edit summary to explain what is being done? Arriva436talk/
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I am a little... uncertain myself; this page was created after 2 weeks of extensive experimentation to create the optimum column widths for maximum viewing (as someone with over 20 years of database design & management, I know the importance of layout and style). The data in each column needs to be is as standard a format as possible, as no one element is more important than another (I'm sure you agree with that) so having one column with a totally different alignment looks rather 'awkward'. Additionally, using rather arbitary Route Number groupings without, seemingly, any form of logic in their sizings is confusing - I would never deign to make such assumptions (is it something to do with equalizing the sizes of the groups, perhaps?)
And is there any reason for Route 515 to be in such an obviously erronious location?
On the matter of Notes, it all relates to the basic purpose of the page - a list of routes IN TYNE AND WEAR, meaning those that run either wholly within the county OR journeys that cross the border but run to/from Tyne and Wear; therefore, information about specific journeys that operate wholly outwith the county fall outside the remit of the page.
I do accept that I was excessive in my defence of my page (for which I unreservedly apologise), but I do have to step in and object when information is added that is entirely inaccurate; the 'updates' contain a multiple example of a basic information error and, having been involved in Public Transport for 30 years, I must pull up such a 'schoolboy' mistake - I actually find it hard to accept that someone who proclaims their transport knowledge would be guilty of such an error.
At the end of the day, I have used my professional abilities in inter-related fields in the creation of this and all my other pages, in order to provide a resource that is easy to use, logical and, above all, something I can be justifyably proud of. Geordiewomble 18:07, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Winlaton - I'll certainly flesh it out once you have it up (I already have the table sorted!)
Hexham & Stanley - I won't do those at this moment in time because my primary concern is with Tyne & Wear (though I have no problem with expanding into County Durham as and when time permits).
Can I also ask a couple of wee favours?
1) Could you rename Killingworth to say 'Bus Station' instead of 'bus station', so it matches the others already created by others?
2) Could you create entries for Jarrow Bus Station & Washington Galleries Bus Station (the 'missing links')?
Ta!
Geordiewomble 09:24, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
Killingworth, as other bus stations, is a bit of a wrestling match, "bus station v Bus Station", that might be a bit of my hands.
No problems - if you let me know when they're up and running, I can add the Route Lists.
Geordiewomble 17:11, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi, there - err, problem!
I don't know how this has happened but, in adding the Bus Route list to Washington Galleries bus station, I've somehow managed to delete everything else from it! I am really sorry about that - hope you have kept a copy on a spreadsheet or something so you can reinstate it - I'll keep my fingers crossed!
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Customer satisfaction high as Emirates Air Line carries two million passengers
Barclays Cycle Hire southwest extension construction works begin
Wide-aisle gates at 180 Tube stations means more independent and quicker journeys
DLR carries record-breaking one hundred million passengers in one year
Transport for London team up with policing partners to donate unclaimed bikes to local charity
Below inflation taxi fare increase to take effect - reminder
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Majority of Taxi and Private Hire licence fees reduced or frozen
Oyster customer services moves to a local rate number
Three new lifts transform accessibility at Crystal Palace station
Transport for London proposes a new Sunday service for bus route B12
Transport for London urges teenagers to 'Stop Think! Live' on the road
Her Majesty The Queen, HRH Duke of Edinburgh and HRH Duchess of Cambridge visit Baker Street Underground station as LU celebrates 150 years of serving London
New lifts for Edgware Road (Bakerloo line) station
TfL launches competition to find operator to run Crossrail services
Transport for London launches competition to create accessibility apps
'Crossrail for the bike' in Mayor's £913m cycling plan
Emirates Air Line to close for one week for planned maintenance
Third public consultation results for Northern line extension confirms strong support for Tube link
TfL opens the door to innovative ideas
Thames Clippers to operate enhanced River Bus services between Putney and Blackfriars
Tube customer satisfaction hits record high as strong reliability performance maintained
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Here is the 50th edition. I can only apologise this is so late as a lot of work came up but it is still no excuse so again I will apologise. Inside includes everything since the last edition as usual. Enjoy.
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That's perfect, I'll leave them as is (on the English Men's list, I use the words "New Club", just for emphasis.
You did a superb job - I've added the extra information onto the spreadsheet I keep the list on, so next season's update will correctly include them.
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