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I worked backwards from Military justice to Military tribunals in the United States. This article needs work on the cases settled so far and the current situation of the commissions. See Talk:Military_tribunals_in_the_United_States#Changes_proposed_.2F_saved_sections. Then I'm ready to tackle Guantanamo military commission.
Cheers! Mnnlaxer ( talk) 20:42, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Sven Manguard Wha? 17:19, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
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Regarding this RS/N discussion.
We don't and can't use primary sources, regardless of the perceived "authority" producing the source, as we would need to conduct original research to make proper use of them. Fifelfoo ( talk) 02:46, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
You write that we can't use primary sources. My recollection is that various policy documents say primary sources can be used, so long as they are used carefully.
I'll ask, rhetorically, if you read Stephen Abraham's affadavit about his experience with OARDEC. Abraham was a reservist, an experienced intelligence officer, and a lawyer in civilian life. Many reservists who are lawyers in civilian life, serve as JAGs when called up. In his affidavit Abraham is critical of the inexperience and naivette of the other officers he worked with at OARDEC. That affidavit may provide some of the context setting you looked for.
However, I wonder whether calling upon Abraham's comments would comply with WP:SYNTH.
On the other hand, I suggested that the idea that OARDEC is not independent is not "obvious", is not a "fact". It is a conclusion. So far as I can see, it is an unsupported conclusion, and I honestly can't see why modifying articles based on this unsupported conclusion isn't the lapse from NOR.
Your replies are getting more terse. I thanked you for your first reply. Sorry, I am not finding these terser replies so helpful. Don't feel obliged to leave another response, if it is a terse one that won't actually help advance a meeting of minds. Geo Swan ( talk) 05:35, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
I just stepped into a hornet's nest by moving the previous title, Al Hajj Abdu Ali Sharqawi to Abdu Ali al Haji Sharqawi, which was already created by you and redirected to the incorrect name Al Hajj .... The new spelling is used by the DoD, so I thought it the best one. Oh, no. Now I noticed the NYT has Haji, while earlier version had Hajj. Help! Mnnlaxer ( talk) 16:23, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
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If you are considering initiating an xfd on material I started
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I worked backwards from Military justice to Military tribunals in the United States. This article needs work on the cases settled so far and the current situation of the commissions. See Talk:Military_tribunals_in_the_United_States#Changes_proposed_.2F_saved_sections. Then I'm ready to tackle Guantanamo military commission.
Cheers! Mnnlaxer ( talk) 20:42, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
Sven Manguard Wha? 17:19, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
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Regarding this RS/N discussion.
We don't and can't use primary sources, regardless of the perceived "authority" producing the source, as we would need to conduct original research to make proper use of them. Fifelfoo ( talk) 02:46, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
You write that we can't use primary sources. My recollection is that various policy documents say primary sources can be used, so long as they are used carefully.
I'll ask, rhetorically, if you read Stephen Abraham's affadavit about his experience with OARDEC. Abraham was a reservist, an experienced intelligence officer, and a lawyer in civilian life. Many reservists who are lawyers in civilian life, serve as JAGs when called up. In his affidavit Abraham is critical of the inexperience and naivette of the other officers he worked with at OARDEC. That affidavit may provide some of the context setting you looked for.
However, I wonder whether calling upon Abraham's comments would comply with WP:SYNTH.
On the other hand, I suggested that the idea that OARDEC is not independent is not "obvious", is not a "fact". It is a conclusion. So far as I can see, it is an unsupported conclusion, and I honestly can't see why modifying articles based on this unsupported conclusion isn't the lapse from NOR.
Your replies are getting more terse. I thanked you for your first reply. Sorry, I am not finding these terser replies so helpful. Don't feel obliged to leave another response, if it is a terse one that won't actually help advance a meeting of minds. Geo Swan ( talk) 05:35, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
I just stepped into a hornet's nest by moving the previous title, Al Hajj Abdu Ali Sharqawi to Abdu Ali al Haji Sharqawi, which was already created by you and redirected to the incorrect name Al Hajj .... The new spelling is used by the DoD, so I thought it the best one. Oh, no. Now I noticed the NYT has Haji, while earlier version had Hajj. Help! Mnnlaxer ( talk) 16:23, 31 October 2011 (UTC)