November 2004 to February 2004
Re: Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Rosyth_Primary_School: what makes something encyclopedic if not notablity or verifiability? These are the two main reasons for deleation on VfD. The bellman 09:48, 2004 Nov 30 (UTC)
Thank your for increasing the number of entries in List of songs whose title includes a phone number by 50%! I was beginning to wonder if my idea for this article was complete nuts. (Now I think it's only mostly nuts.) ☺ — Jeff Q 10:29, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Why did you block Helixblue for vandalism? I can't find any vandalism in his/her contributions history. Unblocked for now. silsor 00:00, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)
Hey Gamaliel, I've edited wiki pages successfully many times... but re the JFK assasination talk page, twice in the past twelve hours, after adding some remarks, the pagecame back completely blank. Argh! I'm sure I did nothing wrong- I suspect some glitch between my browser (Opera6), the very long page, and Wiki's software. Maybe rebooting my machine will help, when I get around to that <grin>. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that I wasn't experimenting or actually clueless... and was suitably appalled when the problem happened, twice!
Re the page content itself (the edit wars with conspiracy buffs etc)- sigh. Wyss 83.115.0.245 09:27, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
If you insist on linking to an article that states Sollog and his family are pornographers you will be sued. I'll be happy to have the papers filed Monday morning if you insist on a link to a false and slanderous article. You are showing your bias by having such information after you've been warned. Sollog and his family have never operated a porn business. Also, the article is nothing but an attack article and the case was later overturned and dismissed.
Guess what, I'm general counsel for TOH, if you insist on spreading slander wiki will be sued, that isn't a threat it is a fact. You've been warned and if you insist on linking to slander you will be sued for spreading it. You think linking to two slander articles by altman is fair and balanced? It isn't. Anyway, anyone promoting that bs about porno will be sued.
LEGAL NOTICE OF INTENT TO SUE has been given to jwales@wikia.com
You need to be removed from your job, insisting on linking to lies shows you are not capable of being a mod.
Why don't you email jwales@wikia.com what he thinks.
[Unsigned comments from User:65.34.173.202. Still waiting on that lawsuit.]
On the Talk Page I see another attempt by someone to say he is a Sollog Fan - and be believed. (Of course it doesn't help - does it? - that his 'name' is 'fuckyou' spelled backwards) This brings me to criteria. What is the criteria when dealing with 'supporters' for accepting what someone says, to be true i.e. for them to 'be' a Sollogfan? It's one thing to allow/not stop someone repeatedly posting that 'Sollog has no fans' but surely another to disavow anyone posting who says they 'are' a Sollogfan.
It's the same when I was boringly and repeatedly accused of lying when I said I was in the UK. When I finally thought of a way to offer incontrovertible truth....my post was deleted.
So - what's the criteria for acceptance or at least not deleting, posts from person/persons claiming to be 'Sollogfans'?
I am not a Sollogfan BTW.
The Number 21:45, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Sure there are millions of them, but this one is really notable. [Unsigned comment from 68.23.39.28]
Movers is another NEW AD page.
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:
OR
Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man ( comment| talk) 18:58, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
I suggest you check your facts before tossing out accusations. I merely have been reverting the unnecessary edits of User:Violetriga, who persists in switching the location of photos accompanying the article because they "look better" that way. I am fed up with users who have nothing creative to add to an entry that I have diligently researched and enhanced vandalizing it with unnecessary changes - such as a photo switch! This has nothing to do with standard formatting, so I don't know what your objection is. User:Violetriga is the culprit here, not I. And if you have any problems with my work, just say so and I will remove all my enhancements and revert the entry back to the little bit of nothing it was before I worked on it. Thank you. TOM 20:09, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)
Should RFC pages be placed on VfD to be deleted? I'm considering removing Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Slrubenstein, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jwrosenzweig and Wikipedia:Requests for comment/John Kenney from WP:VFD. Each of them was listed by CheeseDreams. Your comments on whether I should do this would be appreciated. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:40, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for uploading the following image:
I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GNU Free Documentation License, {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know at my talk page where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much. [[User:Poccil| Peter O. ( Talk, automation script)]] 05:29, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)
P.S. You can help tag other images at User:Yann/Untagged_Images. Thanks again.
This is where you use the word "Irony." Just as the Wikipedia article was being deleted for not being "notable" enough, an article and illustration on Universism takes up about half of the Sunday New York Times Op-Ed. I think the Sunday NY Times is the most read paper in the world, second to something in India no doubt. I have my suspicions based on the amount of email today. When an article about Universism starts again, just tell BM not to let his opinion bleed through and everything will be A-OK. He can probably get away with a critical quote or two from Mr. Horgan. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/12/opinion/12horgan.html -- Deist 21:33, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Would you mind reconsidering your vote on this article? Capitalistroadster has accepted that his research came to the wrong conclusion and your vote was based on his research. Dr Zen 01:50, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Ah, synchronicity. As you were typing your request to me, I was typing my answer. See Talk:Sollog#Be careful. JamesMLane 00:52, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Ennis' latest version of the article is now the protected one... Wyss 03:58, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you've been adding a few images of Time magazine covers under fair use- I'm interested because there are some I'd like to use myself. I haven't done so yet because using e.g. their picture of Yevtushenko to illustrate an article on him seems rather different from using a book cover to illustrate an article on that book. Is there a specific justification for the former? Mark 1 02:20, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Thanks! I hope I'll be a good Arbitrator. :) [[User:Neutrality| Neutrality/ talk]] 03:27, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
Hello! May I ask you to please intercede by going to the talk page for Patricia Heaton and getting involved with Violetriga's repetitive vandalism of the article. She persists in removing pertinent data and describing Feminists for Life in a less-than-accurate way and refuses to allow the entry to remain as it was. She claims she's an adminstrator - if so, she's certainly not behaving like one. How can she possibly believe she's "enhancing" the entry with her deletions? Thank you for your assistance. 64.12.116.13 17:50, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I need some assistance, friend with admin powers. An anonymous contributor, dubbed the Cartoon Vandal by RickK and MascotGuy by me, makes repeated edits to various articles related to cartoons, mascots, advertising characters, etc. I usually follow him around and clean up or revert his changes, as they tend toward the incoherent.
Recently, I moved List of advertising characters, one of his favorite articles, to List of American advertising characters, after someone pointed out on the talk page that all the characters were American. CartoonGuy doesn't like this. He has twice re-created the article by cutting and pasting, and changed redirects to point to his re-creation of the old article.
Trying to communicate with this user is pointless; he absolutely refuses to communicate or respond to any requests; he just reverts or re-edits articles his way, or makes endless pointless tweaks. (And he deleted some of my comments on a talk page once, which is why Postdlf blocked him a few weeks ago.)
So: Can you block 67.117.218.13 for a week or so? (Postdlf's on vacation, which is why I'm bugging you. :) ) Thanks. — tregoweth 18:41, Dec 24, 2004 (UTC)
He's back: Special:Contributions/68.107.42.139. Here are the two edits he made to List of advertising characters after my last revert: [1]. He's being slightly less destructive, but is still clueless and unable to string together a coherent English sentence. — tregoweth 18:17, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)
Okay, some actual serious stuff from 67.117.218.13
Thanks. — tregoweth 07:02, Jan 4, 2005 (UTC)
I'm posting this message on every admin who has made a block in the last few days. The title says it all really: because of a bug in the new software blocks are not expiring when their time is up. Until this is fixed can you get in the habit of manually unblocking a few everytime you block one. If everyone does this we'll be able to keep on top of things until the bug is sorted out. Note also that another bug is displaying indefinite blocks as expiring at the current time and date. obviously you don't want to unblock those. If you want to reply please do so here Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 09:39, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
What copyright violation? Doesn't appear to be one... Libertas
The article is significantly revised (by me) with no material breaching copyright. So can you change it over now? Libertas
An article is listed on Wikipedia:Copyright problems and the notice is not removed until the problem is dealt with. There's a bit of a backlog - I just deleted a copyvio originally listed in October and replaced it with the new article from the temp page. This is what will eventually happen with this article, you will simply have to be patient. I am not trying to "prevent" anything, this is simply how the system works. Gamaliel 03:45, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
No I don't accept that explanation. Just remove the copyvio material and replace with the new material. Simple isn't it? If not please explain why it is relevant to have a copyvio adjudicated when it was a stub article anyway. And please respond on my Talk page so I can see you've responded. Libertas
A copyvio is a copyvio, stub or not.
It is quite simple in theory, not so simple when you have a backlog of two months. Gamaliel 03:57, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I propose the following:
Why is this not a good idea? Again I ask you to respond on my Talk page so I can respond in a timely fashion. Libertas
Again I ask you to respond on my talk page, why is this is so difficult?
My question is why not just do this now? If you don't I'll ask someone else to do it so I'd rather just be direct and ask you. Libertas
YOu have a slow connection? Oh please. I won't trouble you and will take the issue elsewhere, I notice you upload lots of images, including those of arguable copyright status. Your slow connection holds up to your uploading very well. Cya. Libertas
Dear contributor, first I would like to say a big thank you for your time, care, and enthusiasm in editing Wikipedia articles. I hope you find it just as much fun as I do.
I have just a small suggestion. I would like to ask you, if possible, to put an edit summary every time you make changes to an article (or when you start a new one). And it would be good if that is indeed, every single time. Even for small changes.
None of us like arbitrary rules. So I would like to shortly explain why this particular rule is so important. You see, every time you change an article, it is not only the article which is modified. A record of that change propagates to every single person who has that article on the watchlist. And most people have an article on their watchlist because they do care a lot about it, so they would like to be informed about what is going on with it. This is why your edit summary, which will take you maybe 15 seconds, is a great act of candor to the other people interested in the same article as you.
There are other, very convincing reasons for putting an edit summary. More information is available at Wikipedia:Edit summary. If at any point you have any questions about this rule (or anything else for that matter), please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you and happy editing! Hyacinth 02:06, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your advice on this subject, I'm still a bit shakey on my new Wiki-legs. My ill-advised speedy-delete request on President George W. Bushs user page was prompted by my concern about public perception of Wikipedia. I understand that our protocols are quite adequate in dealing with these matters and that they should not be short-cut. hydnjo talk 22:22, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The ip 148.244.150.58 which you have previously dealt with recently vandalized the featured article of the day, so I thought I'd let you know. You know more than I do about IP banning policy and given the history of the user, it seems relevant. Oh yeah, you should also probably archive your talk page. Matthewcieplak 00:59, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I am curious. Why did you delete this:
"::You don't know jack, read his autobiography cretin, he lived in the UK, his second wife was a model from a famous UK family, his first wife was from a major mafia family and was also a model. Her cousin was Gia the model that died of aids from being a junkie. So you know nothing about Sollog, you're just like the towlah here saying lies. Sollogisgod"
If true it offers factual info on Sollog? Some say Sollog is also JPESsene. You may find this [3] interesting The Number 04:47, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I deleted it because it was a personal attack. The factual information is meaningless unless a source is provided. Gamaliel 04:55, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
OK. I notice last night about 5 am or so Wyss said to me 'goodnight Ennis' which is just yet another personal attack - unpunished (of course). Anyway I followed your advice and have taken the 'challenge' to [4]
I am not asking you to comment - I know you have to/want to/feel the need to 'keep in' with other Wikis and I am just an anonymous Brit (or worse - Sollog Arrrgh!) I am just bringing the challenge to your attention as I suspect Wyss will avoid it and the post will be reverted - and his £2000 (or equivalent) will not go to help the bereaved. Remember - no comment required. The Number 16:24, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
You don't know anything about what I want, need, or feel. Wyss' behavior is as frustrating to me as yours is, however I don't see calling someone "ennis" as a bannable offense under the rules. If you disagree, feel free to find another administrator who will agree with your interpretation.
I have no interest in your absurd tsunami challenge. Spamming Wyss' talk page with chunks of text from the article that you know he has already read is just another example of your needlessly provocative behavior, and ludicrously saying you are merely following my advice is a transparent attempt to shift the blame for your own actions.
Frankly, I don't think you are Ennis, but either way I don't care. What I do care about is your behavior. Why are you here? If you have interest in participating in article editing, then why don't you do that instead of trolling? Gamaliel 16:34, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I wonder why you think it's absurd to a) try and raise funds for those harmed by a natural disaster and b) to prove once and for all that these repetitive - almost chanting - claims I am Ennis are false. If the 'Number is Ennis' dichotomy was removed the Talk Pages would be near empty! I wonder why you condemn my attempts to bring honesty to these pages.
But, that's rhetorical - as I said, there must be certain camaraderie among Wiki people and I doubt if you’d want to jeopardise that even if your quest was integrity.
Now you have asked me a sensible question, so I'll answer.
For some time I watched these pages and saw that posts from people in the UK/claiming they were in the UK were summarily dismissed. Worse, posters were automatically accused of being Ennis.
One reason given was that the posts were anonymous.
So I thought, as I know more about Ennis than others from the UK posting here (IMO) I'd try to add to these pages. However, even with an identity, I got exactly the same treatment. In fact Cardinal Chunder also got the same treatment even though he has an anti-Sollog website and is well known in Google groups for arguing with sollog(ites).
So it became clear that it would be impossible to add anything constructive unless either the accusations 'You're a sock puppet! You’re Ennis!' were either suppressed or disproved.
I therefore asked what the criteria would be to 'prove' I was not Ennis - and presumably this criteria would apply to others.
I tried to prove I was not in America (I thought these days all IPs were traceable but perhaps the 'proxy argument' holds sway - though quite how 'proxies work' is beyond me) I quoted extracts from a newspaper that was not on the net.
This was dismissed.
Someone else even went to a pub in Lyndhurst and posted what was next to where he was sitting.
That too was dismissed.
So it became obvious that no proof I (or anyone else) was not Ennis would ever be accepted.
Therefore the only other option if I felt I had something to contribute would be to suppress the hyena-like accusations (never backed up BTW)
In vain did I quote Wiki Official Policy. Plainly it is not obeyed by Editors/Administrators vis a vis the treatment of contributors.
So what is left? I cannot invoke Wiki policy. I cannot 'prove' I am here, in England sitting quietly in front of a PC.
Two choices.
Stop posting completely
Try and 'challenge' the main accuser so once and for all this behaviour would stop. The only challenge worth it would be one where I did not personally gain (Of course I would win because I am not Ennis) and where proof involving a third party held in esteem (e.g. Ashley) acted as 'witness'.
Hence the challenge.
I fear that will be deleted; I'll be castigated a usual and that's that. It really is just hopeless.
I have started deleting all my posts and if the challenge is reverted I’ll know there simply is no hope and I'll delete all my posts if I can find them.
You see, unless people accept I am not Ennis everything I or anyone else writes who is similarly accused will simply be dismissed. I'd prefer it if people read the post without looking at the poster - but they don't.
I have other interests - I posted on the Yoga page but it's quiet and I am interested in politics etc etc.
So we'll see what happens. Like I said, my view is that it's just hopeless trying to treat others as adults as all some want to do is - and they admit this - bait, bait and bait and if you do rise to it you're banned and if you don't it shows your inability. Truly a page that brings out the juvenile in what I assume are adults.
So there you are. I have answered your question fully and honestly and we'll just see what happens. It will answer the question - at least for these Sollog pages - as to whether Wiki should be taken seriously or not.
Finally if, as expected, the post is reverted it will provide a fitting end to the article I am writing (I am a freelance writer and no, I’m not going to prove it) before I send it off to newspapers. If it is accepted though I shall return just the once, to link to the article! The Number 16:57, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
If you truly wished to raise money for tsunami relief, you would find a more efficient means than attempting to badger an anonymous person in another country out of a month's salary.
Your choices are not limited to the two you suggest. Instead of challenging your foe like this is a game of King of the Hill, you could instead attempt to become a valuable contributor who follows the rules. I understand that you claim you feel that the rules are enforced unfairly, but I'm sorry, I don't see where in the rules it says I can block someone for calling them "Ennis". "Buffoon" is pretty clear cut, however, and when and if Wyss calls you a "buffoon" I will block him just as I blocked you. I have been attempting to reason and discuss this with both of you, but this is not helped by your silly challenges and self-righteous complaints and deliberate provoking. You can take the third option and become a valuable contributor if you wish, or you can simply deny the option exists and blame it all on the shadowy Wiki-cabal just like every other person who can't handle simple rules of normal civil behavior here. Gamaliel 17:28, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I see Wyss has now deleted all my recent posts on his page - without (he claims) even reading them. One of the posts was asking him to explain where the Sollog prophecies were wrong (I linked to them). This he deleted without reading it.
It's pointless - I give up.
Please could you tell me where I complain to and also perhaps you'd do it if you can do it easily, please delete every single post I have ever made on the Talk Sollog pages as it's pointless trying to do anything there. I'd be better off elsewhere.
Wiki is not 'out of control' - it's 'too much in control' and the accusations of Wiki Cult certainly have some bearing.
The Number 17:05, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Wyss is under no obligation to respond to or even read messages left on his talk page. In this case, since the message was largely chunks of text pasted from Talk:Sollog, I can't say I blame him. Gamaliel
We do have conflict resolution methods in place here. I was hoping that you would be willing to stop provoking him before it got to that point, just as I was attempting to get him to stop provoking you. If you wish, you can initiate a formal conflict resolution process at Wikipedia:Requests for comment. Gamaliel 17:18, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I notice also how you haven't answered my request about deleting. The Number 17:43, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Wyss totally ignored - he boasted about not reading - my previously unposted request to him (I used 'please') to explain/disprove any/all of Sollog's prophecies. But no-one else cares so I'll just disappear as have the other UK people. I get 100+ emails a day and I answer all of them if they are not Nigerian spam etc etc. But I do read all of them and Talk pages cannot be compared to emails anyway as emailers can buy lists for spam and spamming requires no effort. I repeat I asked a polite question and Wyss couldn't even be bothered to read it. Worse he boasts how he flouts Wiki policies - Wyss: beyond all criticism, all censure. The Number 17:43, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I am not ignoring what Wyss did, I am simply telling you I can do nothing about it because there is no rule against deleting messages on your own talk page. In fact, you have right to do whatever what you wish (short of forging messages from others) with your own talk page. I cannot block Wyss for doing what he has the right to do. If you do not believe me, please feel free to consult other administrators on this matter. Gamaliel 18:46, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I changed the controversy article, fully cited, but left out the comments that didn't show a NPOV. Looking at the image that you have on this page, you may not choose to believe these facts, but because they are indeed fact, they should stay on the page. First Lensman 23:20, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Davenbelle reverts constantly every edit I make. He supplies no reason. In this case, it is a very clear example of POV pushing on his part "rousing applause" etc. is not what I'd expect in an encyclopedia. He should be blocked for this misconduct, and I wonder whether you've made that point or whether your just like to troll me. If you haven't I suggest keeping your advice to yourself. Ollieplatt 01:23, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Gamaliel, If you look carefully I believe you'll see that I've used slightly different wording in my edits so that technically I haven't violated the three-revert rule. But I have to agree that it's clear no progress can be made in improving this article due to the attitude of you and other editors. Since you refuse to respond to my request to justify your reverts, a resolution of the dispute by reasoned discussion seems impossible. I have initiated a Request For Comment, but I do not expect a productive outcome. Unfortunately, as Larry Sanger has observed [5], current Wikipedia practice makes it effectively impossible to overcome the obstruction of obstinate editors. 63.224.46.19 05:14, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I have now attempted a more substantial reworking of the issue that I hope will circumvent your objections.
While you repeatedly replied to my talk page comments, your replies were unresponsive. You simply ignored my requests that you justify your reverts based on your claim that my edit was factually incorrect by naming just one expert who disputes the expert typographical analysis I cited which proves the documents are forgeries.
No, I do not see how Sanger's comments could apply to me. Please explain. 63.224.46.19 07:11, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Gamaliel, I woud appreciate a serious response. I am not obstructing progress. I am trying to make a constructive contribution. And I am quite willing to discuss objections that are based on informed opinion and supported by reasonable evidence and argument. 63.224.46.19 19:22, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
While the anonymous user may well be a Scaife flunky, and is certainly not following Wiki norms, it would nonetheless be helpful to have a source for the Trib's attacks on Heinz. They certainly have attacked her for contributing to the Tides Foundation, which they claim donates money to lesbian causes. Is there a reference we can use? Anyway, thanks for all your many contributions to Wiki. Cheers, - Willmcw 21:36, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I don't want to "feed the troll", nor do I want to attack the person or the editor. But the editing process has not been smooth with that one editor (I assume both IPs are one editor). Perhaps silence is better than arguing. Maybe I'll give that a try. Anyway, if you have any suggestions for bringing this to a resolution (if it needs one) then let me know. Thanks for your contributions to Wiki. Cheers, - Willmcw 22:44, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I only just saw this week-old request for mediation today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AMA_Requests_for_Assistance#anon_vs._User:Willmcw_re_Pittsburgh_Tribune-Review. I think the Anon may be confusing the two of us, as he also refers to an "admin". I wrote a short note of explanation, mentioning your prior involvement, and added that mediation could be very helpful. I saw signs that the Mediation Committee may re-activate, otherwise this is moot. Cheers, - Willmcw 00:59, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I added pictures of the Sun Dome and Beta Hall. Don't be a stranger; IM me at my new AIM SN, Days of Our Vent. Mike H 03:15, Jan 31, 2005 (UTC)
Given your behaviour on the VFD for List of Early Music Ensembles I'm surprised to find that you're an administrator. Please read the policy on removing personal attacksbefore editing comments posted by myself and others; it is not a personal attack to make a general observation about the behaviour of unspecified individuals in the context of a discussion. It is a personal attack to make specific accusations against a named individual. Your comment clearly constitutes a full-blown personal attack on me. My observation does not constitite an "attack" on anyone. You would do well to learn the difference. -- Centauri 22:19, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I have no interest in any sort of feud, but you have been rude to people in this and other vfd discussions, and pointing that out is hardly a personal attack, and much more innocuous than, say, throwing around the phrase "sandpit for the ignorant". Gamaliel 23:38, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Interesting how some people's interpretation of "personal attacks" is far wider than others. Look at the discussion I got into with Uncle G about the same issue -- he seemed to think that just stating that the VfD entry should not have been made was in itself a personal attack. In the case of your most recent back and forth in the early music fuss, I bet you could have avoided it by just changing "It would be a far better idea for people like you to stop rudely hounding valuable contributors for making simple mistakes" by removing the "like you". Or maybe not; I wonder if Uncle G and Centauri are engaging in a bit of disruption to make a point. -- jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 22:31, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I was under the impression that Al Capp was both the writer and artist for Abbie and Slats. I was obviously wrong, sorry. -- FirstPrinciples 07:02, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)
You've given me a {{test1}} message, can I ask why? If it's just a mistake ignore and delete this message. Wikipedian231 17:13, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I notice that you have not responded to the 'discussion' element of my Talk Page but have had time to tell me off about my edit summary. Now comes a real test of your integrity. Not so long ago you banned me for 24 hours as I referred to Wyss's post on MY Talkpage calling ME Sollog as 'crass stupidity'. You didn't like me using that description. You saw it as a personal attack. I draw your attention to this:
You're a documented deathporn dealer and liar. Is there anything else you'd like to discuss? Wyss 23:26, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
and
I think it's helpful that people are reminded now and then that you use the Internet to lie, harass, vandalize, impersonate and scam for the purpose of mining traffic for your deathporn and other Internet sites. Wyss 23:36, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC
On the Talk Page of Sollog.
I shall await your reaction, seeking signs of consistency, before I think about what I will (or may not) post in response. The Number 01:09, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
An Administrator posted a comment on my Talk Page and now has flatly refused to answer my question. Please would you go to the Discussion section and answer the question there? Thanks in advance. The Number 16:58, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The response? My request immediately deleted without even the courtesy of a reason. Maybe you have a lot of influence. Maybe the Administrator just couldn't be bothered and decided to treat me with disrespect. I chose the Administrator entirely at random, BTW. This is the second time I have followed your procedural advice and this is the second time it hasn't worked. I notice on your page here 'bias' is under discussion. I notice too that your scolding of Wyss was ended with 'Cheers'; you then discussed it with him and now your scolding has been removed. Very interesting indeed. You use foul language to one person.... The Number 21:51, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
If only I had the kind of influence on this site that you imagine I have! Then you would be quickly and permanently blocked. What you describe above is not me pulling the strings like a mighty Wiki puppet master. It is merely two unrelated people removing comments from their own talk pages for their own reasons. Whatever their reasons are, I have no knowledge of them. I wish you luck in accomplishing whatever it is you wish to accomplish here, but I do not wish to be part of your interactions on this website. Please do not contact me again in any manner. Gamaliel 23:31, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Why was the section about John Byrne's exposure to Goatse.cx deleted? While it may seem irrelevant, this was a major event in Mr. Byrne's life, as well as a portrayl of fan reaction to his Chapter One series. unsigned comment from 199.79.168.252
Firstly, it was a major event in his life, as it influenced his outlook and his later work. Secondly, it makes a good demonstration as to just how much Spider-Man fans despised Spider-Man: Chapter One.
Hi Gamaliel, I have to admit that I have been angered of late and I may have stepped out of line and been uncivil, so instead of getting angry and answering R. fiend back at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Diane Mela and Robin Gabrielli I am writing to suggest that you give the same prouncement to him as you did to me about "no personal attacks," for he implies at the end of his remark that I need medication, I assume because I am paranoid. That is a personal attack. Plank 19:14, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
November 2004 to February 2004
Re: Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Rosyth_Primary_School: what makes something encyclopedic if not notablity or verifiability? These are the two main reasons for deleation on VfD. The bellman 09:48, 2004 Nov 30 (UTC)
Thank your for increasing the number of entries in List of songs whose title includes a phone number by 50%! I was beginning to wonder if my idea for this article was complete nuts. (Now I think it's only mostly nuts.) ☺ — Jeff Q 10:29, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Why did you block Helixblue for vandalism? I can't find any vandalism in his/her contributions history. Unblocked for now. silsor 00:00, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)
Hey Gamaliel, I've edited wiki pages successfully many times... but re the JFK assasination talk page, twice in the past twelve hours, after adding some remarks, the pagecame back completely blank. Argh! I'm sure I did nothing wrong- I suspect some glitch between my browser (Opera6), the very long page, and Wiki's software. Maybe rebooting my machine will help, when I get around to that <grin>. Anyway, I just wanted to let you know that I wasn't experimenting or actually clueless... and was suitably appalled when the problem happened, twice!
Re the page content itself (the edit wars with conspiracy buffs etc)- sigh. Wyss 83.115.0.245 09:27, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
If you insist on linking to an article that states Sollog and his family are pornographers you will be sued. I'll be happy to have the papers filed Monday morning if you insist on a link to a false and slanderous article. You are showing your bias by having such information after you've been warned. Sollog and his family have never operated a porn business. Also, the article is nothing but an attack article and the case was later overturned and dismissed.
Guess what, I'm general counsel for TOH, if you insist on spreading slander wiki will be sued, that isn't a threat it is a fact. You've been warned and if you insist on linking to slander you will be sued for spreading it. You think linking to two slander articles by altman is fair and balanced? It isn't. Anyway, anyone promoting that bs about porno will be sued.
LEGAL NOTICE OF INTENT TO SUE has been given to jwales@wikia.com
You need to be removed from your job, insisting on linking to lies shows you are not capable of being a mod.
Why don't you email jwales@wikia.com what he thinks.
[Unsigned comments from User:65.34.173.202. Still waiting on that lawsuit.]
On the Talk Page I see another attempt by someone to say he is a Sollog Fan - and be believed. (Of course it doesn't help - does it? - that his 'name' is 'fuckyou' spelled backwards) This brings me to criteria. What is the criteria when dealing with 'supporters' for accepting what someone says, to be true i.e. for them to 'be' a Sollogfan? It's one thing to allow/not stop someone repeatedly posting that 'Sollog has no fans' but surely another to disavow anyone posting who says they 'are' a Sollogfan.
It's the same when I was boringly and repeatedly accused of lying when I said I was in the UK. When I finally thought of a way to offer incontrovertible truth....my post was deleted.
So - what's the criteria for acceptance or at least not deleting, posts from person/persons claiming to be 'Sollogfans'?
I am not a Sollogfan BTW.
The Number 21:45, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Sure there are millions of them, but this one is really notable. [Unsigned comment from 68.23.39.28]
Movers is another NEW AD page.
Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:
To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:
OR
Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man ( comment| talk) 18:58, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)
I suggest you check your facts before tossing out accusations. I merely have been reverting the unnecessary edits of User:Violetriga, who persists in switching the location of photos accompanying the article because they "look better" that way. I am fed up with users who have nothing creative to add to an entry that I have diligently researched and enhanced vandalizing it with unnecessary changes - such as a photo switch! This has nothing to do with standard formatting, so I don't know what your objection is. User:Violetriga is the culprit here, not I. And if you have any problems with my work, just say so and I will remove all my enhancements and revert the entry back to the little bit of nothing it was before I worked on it. Thank you. TOM 20:09, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)
Should RFC pages be placed on VfD to be deleted? I'm considering removing Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Slrubenstein, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jwrosenzweig and Wikipedia:Requests for comment/John Kenney from WP:VFD. Each of them was listed by CheeseDreams. Your comments on whether I should do this would be appreciated. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:40, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for uploading the following image:
I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GNU Free Documentation License, {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know at my talk page where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much. [[User:Poccil| Peter O. ( Talk, automation script)]] 05:29, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)
P.S. You can help tag other images at User:Yann/Untagged_Images. Thanks again.
This is where you use the word "Irony." Just as the Wikipedia article was being deleted for not being "notable" enough, an article and illustration on Universism takes up about half of the Sunday New York Times Op-Ed. I think the Sunday NY Times is the most read paper in the world, second to something in India no doubt. I have my suspicions based on the amount of email today. When an article about Universism starts again, just tell BM not to let his opinion bleed through and everything will be A-OK. He can probably get away with a critical quote or two from Mr. Horgan. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/12/opinion/12horgan.html -- Deist 21:33, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Would you mind reconsidering your vote on this article? Capitalistroadster has accepted that his research came to the wrong conclusion and your vote was based on his research. Dr Zen 01:50, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Ah, synchronicity. As you were typing your request to me, I was typing my answer. See Talk:Sollog#Be careful. JamesMLane 00:52, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Ennis' latest version of the article is now the protected one... Wyss 03:58, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi, I noticed you've been adding a few images of Time magazine covers under fair use- I'm interested because there are some I'd like to use myself. I haven't done so yet because using e.g. their picture of Yevtushenko to illustrate an article on him seems rather different from using a book cover to illustrate an article on that book. Is there a specific justification for the former? Mark 1 02:20, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Thanks! I hope I'll be a good Arbitrator. :) [[User:Neutrality| Neutrality/ talk]] 03:27, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)
Hello! May I ask you to please intercede by going to the talk page for Patricia Heaton and getting involved with Violetriga's repetitive vandalism of the article. She persists in removing pertinent data and describing Feminists for Life in a less-than-accurate way and refuses to allow the entry to remain as it was. She claims she's an adminstrator - if so, she's certainly not behaving like one. How can she possibly believe she's "enhancing" the entry with her deletions? Thank you for your assistance. 64.12.116.13 17:50, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I need some assistance, friend with admin powers. An anonymous contributor, dubbed the Cartoon Vandal by RickK and MascotGuy by me, makes repeated edits to various articles related to cartoons, mascots, advertising characters, etc. I usually follow him around and clean up or revert his changes, as they tend toward the incoherent.
Recently, I moved List of advertising characters, one of his favorite articles, to List of American advertising characters, after someone pointed out on the talk page that all the characters were American. CartoonGuy doesn't like this. He has twice re-created the article by cutting and pasting, and changed redirects to point to his re-creation of the old article.
Trying to communicate with this user is pointless; he absolutely refuses to communicate or respond to any requests; he just reverts or re-edits articles his way, or makes endless pointless tweaks. (And he deleted some of my comments on a talk page once, which is why Postdlf blocked him a few weeks ago.)
So: Can you block 67.117.218.13 for a week or so? (Postdlf's on vacation, which is why I'm bugging you. :) ) Thanks. — tregoweth 18:41, Dec 24, 2004 (UTC)
He's back: Special:Contributions/68.107.42.139. Here are the two edits he made to List of advertising characters after my last revert: [1]. He's being slightly less destructive, but is still clueless and unable to string together a coherent English sentence. — tregoweth 18:17, Dec 25, 2004 (UTC)
Okay, some actual serious stuff from 67.117.218.13
Thanks. — tregoweth 07:02, Jan 4, 2005 (UTC)
I'm posting this message on every admin who has made a block in the last few days. The title says it all really: because of a bug in the new software blocks are not expiring when their time is up. Until this is fixed can you get in the habit of manually unblocking a few everytime you block one. If everyone does this we'll be able to keep on top of things until the bug is sorted out. Note also that another bug is displaying indefinite blocks as expiring at the current time and date. obviously you don't want to unblock those. If you want to reply please do so here Theresa Knott (The snott rake) 09:39, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
What copyright violation? Doesn't appear to be one... Libertas
The article is significantly revised (by me) with no material breaching copyright. So can you change it over now? Libertas
An article is listed on Wikipedia:Copyright problems and the notice is not removed until the problem is dealt with. There's a bit of a backlog - I just deleted a copyvio originally listed in October and replaced it with the new article from the temp page. This is what will eventually happen with this article, you will simply have to be patient. I am not trying to "prevent" anything, this is simply how the system works. Gamaliel 03:45, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
No I don't accept that explanation. Just remove the copyvio material and replace with the new material. Simple isn't it? If not please explain why it is relevant to have a copyvio adjudicated when it was a stub article anyway. And please respond on my Talk page so I can see you've responded. Libertas
A copyvio is a copyvio, stub or not.
It is quite simple in theory, not so simple when you have a backlog of two months. Gamaliel 03:57, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I propose the following:
Why is this not a good idea? Again I ask you to respond on my Talk page so I can respond in a timely fashion. Libertas
Again I ask you to respond on my talk page, why is this is so difficult?
My question is why not just do this now? If you don't I'll ask someone else to do it so I'd rather just be direct and ask you. Libertas
YOu have a slow connection? Oh please. I won't trouble you and will take the issue elsewhere, I notice you upload lots of images, including those of arguable copyright status. Your slow connection holds up to your uploading very well. Cya. Libertas
Dear contributor, first I would like to say a big thank you for your time, care, and enthusiasm in editing Wikipedia articles. I hope you find it just as much fun as I do.
I have just a small suggestion. I would like to ask you, if possible, to put an edit summary every time you make changes to an article (or when you start a new one). And it would be good if that is indeed, every single time. Even for small changes.
None of us like arbitrary rules. So I would like to shortly explain why this particular rule is so important. You see, every time you change an article, it is not only the article which is modified. A record of that change propagates to every single person who has that article on the watchlist. And most people have an article on their watchlist because they do care a lot about it, so they would like to be informed about what is going on with it. This is why your edit summary, which will take you maybe 15 seconds, is a great act of candor to the other people interested in the same article as you.
There are other, very convincing reasons for putting an edit summary. More information is available at Wikipedia:Edit summary. If at any point you have any questions about this rule (or anything else for that matter), please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you and happy editing! Hyacinth 02:06, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for your advice on this subject, I'm still a bit shakey on my new Wiki-legs. My ill-advised speedy-delete request on President George W. Bushs user page was prompted by my concern about public perception of Wikipedia. I understand that our protocols are quite adequate in dealing with these matters and that they should not be short-cut. hydnjo talk 22:22, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The ip 148.244.150.58 which you have previously dealt with recently vandalized the featured article of the day, so I thought I'd let you know. You know more than I do about IP banning policy and given the history of the user, it seems relevant. Oh yeah, you should also probably archive your talk page. Matthewcieplak 00:59, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I am curious. Why did you delete this:
"::You don't know jack, read his autobiography cretin, he lived in the UK, his second wife was a model from a famous UK family, his first wife was from a major mafia family and was also a model. Her cousin was Gia the model that died of aids from being a junkie. So you know nothing about Sollog, you're just like the towlah here saying lies. Sollogisgod"
If true it offers factual info on Sollog? Some say Sollog is also JPESsene. You may find this [3] interesting The Number 04:47, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I deleted it because it was a personal attack. The factual information is meaningless unless a source is provided. Gamaliel 04:55, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
OK. I notice last night about 5 am or so Wyss said to me 'goodnight Ennis' which is just yet another personal attack - unpunished (of course). Anyway I followed your advice and have taken the 'challenge' to [4]
I am not asking you to comment - I know you have to/want to/feel the need to 'keep in' with other Wikis and I am just an anonymous Brit (or worse - Sollog Arrrgh!) I am just bringing the challenge to your attention as I suspect Wyss will avoid it and the post will be reverted - and his £2000 (or equivalent) will not go to help the bereaved. Remember - no comment required. The Number 16:24, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
You don't know anything about what I want, need, or feel. Wyss' behavior is as frustrating to me as yours is, however I don't see calling someone "ennis" as a bannable offense under the rules. If you disagree, feel free to find another administrator who will agree with your interpretation.
I have no interest in your absurd tsunami challenge. Spamming Wyss' talk page with chunks of text from the article that you know he has already read is just another example of your needlessly provocative behavior, and ludicrously saying you are merely following my advice is a transparent attempt to shift the blame for your own actions.
Frankly, I don't think you are Ennis, but either way I don't care. What I do care about is your behavior. Why are you here? If you have interest in participating in article editing, then why don't you do that instead of trolling? Gamaliel 16:34, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I wonder why you think it's absurd to a) try and raise funds for those harmed by a natural disaster and b) to prove once and for all that these repetitive - almost chanting - claims I am Ennis are false. If the 'Number is Ennis' dichotomy was removed the Talk Pages would be near empty! I wonder why you condemn my attempts to bring honesty to these pages.
But, that's rhetorical - as I said, there must be certain camaraderie among Wiki people and I doubt if you’d want to jeopardise that even if your quest was integrity.
Now you have asked me a sensible question, so I'll answer.
For some time I watched these pages and saw that posts from people in the UK/claiming they were in the UK were summarily dismissed. Worse, posters were automatically accused of being Ennis.
One reason given was that the posts were anonymous.
So I thought, as I know more about Ennis than others from the UK posting here (IMO) I'd try to add to these pages. However, even with an identity, I got exactly the same treatment. In fact Cardinal Chunder also got the same treatment even though he has an anti-Sollog website and is well known in Google groups for arguing with sollog(ites).
So it became clear that it would be impossible to add anything constructive unless either the accusations 'You're a sock puppet! You’re Ennis!' were either suppressed or disproved.
I therefore asked what the criteria would be to 'prove' I was not Ennis - and presumably this criteria would apply to others.
I tried to prove I was not in America (I thought these days all IPs were traceable but perhaps the 'proxy argument' holds sway - though quite how 'proxies work' is beyond me) I quoted extracts from a newspaper that was not on the net.
This was dismissed.
Someone else even went to a pub in Lyndhurst and posted what was next to where he was sitting.
That too was dismissed.
So it became obvious that no proof I (or anyone else) was not Ennis would ever be accepted.
Therefore the only other option if I felt I had something to contribute would be to suppress the hyena-like accusations (never backed up BTW)
In vain did I quote Wiki Official Policy. Plainly it is not obeyed by Editors/Administrators vis a vis the treatment of contributors.
So what is left? I cannot invoke Wiki policy. I cannot 'prove' I am here, in England sitting quietly in front of a PC.
Two choices.
Stop posting completely
Try and 'challenge' the main accuser so once and for all this behaviour would stop. The only challenge worth it would be one where I did not personally gain (Of course I would win because I am not Ennis) and where proof involving a third party held in esteem (e.g. Ashley) acted as 'witness'.
Hence the challenge.
I fear that will be deleted; I'll be castigated a usual and that's that. It really is just hopeless.
I have started deleting all my posts and if the challenge is reverted I’ll know there simply is no hope and I'll delete all my posts if I can find them.
You see, unless people accept I am not Ennis everything I or anyone else writes who is similarly accused will simply be dismissed. I'd prefer it if people read the post without looking at the poster - but they don't.
I have other interests - I posted on the Yoga page but it's quiet and I am interested in politics etc etc.
So we'll see what happens. Like I said, my view is that it's just hopeless trying to treat others as adults as all some want to do is - and they admit this - bait, bait and bait and if you do rise to it you're banned and if you don't it shows your inability. Truly a page that brings out the juvenile in what I assume are adults.
So there you are. I have answered your question fully and honestly and we'll just see what happens. It will answer the question - at least for these Sollog pages - as to whether Wiki should be taken seriously or not.
Finally if, as expected, the post is reverted it will provide a fitting end to the article I am writing (I am a freelance writer and no, I’m not going to prove it) before I send it off to newspapers. If it is accepted though I shall return just the once, to link to the article! The Number 16:57, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
If you truly wished to raise money for tsunami relief, you would find a more efficient means than attempting to badger an anonymous person in another country out of a month's salary.
Your choices are not limited to the two you suggest. Instead of challenging your foe like this is a game of King of the Hill, you could instead attempt to become a valuable contributor who follows the rules. I understand that you claim you feel that the rules are enforced unfairly, but I'm sorry, I don't see where in the rules it says I can block someone for calling them "Ennis". "Buffoon" is pretty clear cut, however, and when and if Wyss calls you a "buffoon" I will block him just as I blocked you. I have been attempting to reason and discuss this with both of you, but this is not helped by your silly challenges and self-righteous complaints and deliberate provoking. You can take the third option and become a valuable contributor if you wish, or you can simply deny the option exists and blame it all on the shadowy Wiki-cabal just like every other person who can't handle simple rules of normal civil behavior here. Gamaliel 17:28, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I see Wyss has now deleted all my recent posts on his page - without (he claims) even reading them. One of the posts was asking him to explain where the Sollog prophecies were wrong (I linked to them). This he deleted without reading it.
It's pointless - I give up.
Please could you tell me where I complain to and also perhaps you'd do it if you can do it easily, please delete every single post I have ever made on the Talk Sollog pages as it's pointless trying to do anything there. I'd be better off elsewhere.
Wiki is not 'out of control' - it's 'too much in control' and the accusations of Wiki Cult certainly have some bearing.
The Number 17:05, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Wyss is under no obligation to respond to or even read messages left on his talk page. In this case, since the message was largely chunks of text pasted from Talk:Sollog, I can't say I blame him. Gamaliel
We do have conflict resolution methods in place here. I was hoping that you would be willing to stop provoking him before it got to that point, just as I was attempting to get him to stop provoking you. If you wish, you can initiate a formal conflict resolution process at Wikipedia:Requests for comment. Gamaliel 17:18, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I notice also how you haven't answered my request about deleting. The Number 17:43, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Wyss totally ignored - he boasted about not reading - my previously unposted request to him (I used 'please') to explain/disprove any/all of Sollog's prophecies. But no-one else cares so I'll just disappear as have the other UK people. I get 100+ emails a day and I answer all of them if they are not Nigerian spam etc etc. But I do read all of them and Talk pages cannot be compared to emails anyway as emailers can buy lists for spam and spamming requires no effort. I repeat I asked a polite question and Wyss couldn't even be bothered to read it. Worse he boasts how he flouts Wiki policies - Wyss: beyond all criticism, all censure. The Number 17:43, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I am not ignoring what Wyss did, I am simply telling you I can do nothing about it because there is no rule against deleting messages on your own talk page. In fact, you have right to do whatever what you wish (short of forging messages from others) with your own talk page. I cannot block Wyss for doing what he has the right to do. If you do not believe me, please feel free to consult other administrators on this matter. Gamaliel 18:46, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I changed the controversy article, fully cited, but left out the comments that didn't show a NPOV. Looking at the image that you have on this page, you may not choose to believe these facts, but because they are indeed fact, they should stay on the page. First Lensman 23:20, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Davenbelle reverts constantly every edit I make. He supplies no reason. In this case, it is a very clear example of POV pushing on his part "rousing applause" etc. is not what I'd expect in an encyclopedia. He should be blocked for this misconduct, and I wonder whether you've made that point or whether your just like to troll me. If you haven't I suggest keeping your advice to yourself. Ollieplatt 01:23, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Gamaliel, If you look carefully I believe you'll see that I've used slightly different wording in my edits so that technically I haven't violated the three-revert rule. But I have to agree that it's clear no progress can be made in improving this article due to the attitude of you and other editors. Since you refuse to respond to my request to justify your reverts, a resolution of the dispute by reasoned discussion seems impossible. I have initiated a Request For Comment, but I do not expect a productive outcome. Unfortunately, as Larry Sanger has observed [5], current Wikipedia practice makes it effectively impossible to overcome the obstruction of obstinate editors. 63.224.46.19 05:14, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I have now attempted a more substantial reworking of the issue that I hope will circumvent your objections.
While you repeatedly replied to my talk page comments, your replies were unresponsive. You simply ignored my requests that you justify your reverts based on your claim that my edit was factually incorrect by naming just one expert who disputes the expert typographical analysis I cited which proves the documents are forgeries.
No, I do not see how Sanger's comments could apply to me. Please explain. 63.224.46.19 07:11, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Gamaliel, I woud appreciate a serious response. I am not obstructing progress. I am trying to make a constructive contribution. And I am quite willing to discuss objections that are based on informed opinion and supported by reasonable evidence and argument. 63.224.46.19 19:22, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC)
While the anonymous user may well be a Scaife flunky, and is certainly not following Wiki norms, it would nonetheless be helpful to have a source for the Trib's attacks on Heinz. They certainly have attacked her for contributing to the Tides Foundation, which they claim donates money to lesbian causes. Is there a reference we can use? Anyway, thanks for all your many contributions to Wiki. Cheers, - Willmcw 21:36, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I don't want to "feed the troll", nor do I want to attack the person or the editor. But the editing process has not been smooth with that one editor (I assume both IPs are one editor). Perhaps silence is better than arguing. Maybe I'll give that a try. Anyway, if you have any suggestions for bringing this to a resolution (if it needs one) then let me know. Thanks for your contributions to Wiki. Cheers, - Willmcw 22:44, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I only just saw this week-old request for mediation today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:AMA_Requests_for_Assistance#anon_vs._User:Willmcw_re_Pittsburgh_Tribune-Review. I think the Anon may be confusing the two of us, as he also refers to an "admin". I wrote a short note of explanation, mentioning your prior involvement, and added that mediation could be very helpful. I saw signs that the Mediation Committee may re-activate, otherwise this is moot. Cheers, - Willmcw 00:59, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I added pictures of the Sun Dome and Beta Hall. Don't be a stranger; IM me at my new AIM SN, Days of Our Vent. Mike H 03:15, Jan 31, 2005 (UTC)
Given your behaviour on the VFD for List of Early Music Ensembles I'm surprised to find that you're an administrator. Please read the policy on removing personal attacksbefore editing comments posted by myself and others; it is not a personal attack to make a general observation about the behaviour of unspecified individuals in the context of a discussion. It is a personal attack to make specific accusations against a named individual. Your comment clearly constitutes a full-blown personal attack on me. My observation does not constitite an "attack" on anyone. You would do well to learn the difference. -- Centauri 22:19, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I have no interest in any sort of feud, but you have been rude to people in this and other vfd discussions, and pointing that out is hardly a personal attack, and much more innocuous than, say, throwing around the phrase "sandpit for the ignorant". Gamaliel 23:38, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Interesting how some people's interpretation of "personal attacks" is far wider than others. Look at the discussion I got into with Uncle G about the same issue -- he seemed to think that just stating that the VfD entry should not have been made was in itself a personal attack. In the case of your most recent back and forth in the early music fuss, I bet you could have avoided it by just changing "It would be a far better idea for people like you to stop rudely hounding valuable contributors for making simple mistakes" by removing the "like you". Or maybe not; I wonder if Uncle G and Centauri are engaging in a bit of disruption to make a point. -- jpgordon ∇∆∇∆ 22:31, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I was under the impression that Al Capp was both the writer and artist for Abbie and Slats. I was obviously wrong, sorry. -- FirstPrinciples 07:02, Feb 10, 2005 (UTC)
You've given me a {{test1}} message, can I ask why? If it's just a mistake ignore and delete this message. Wikipedian231 17:13, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I notice that you have not responded to the 'discussion' element of my Talk Page but have had time to tell me off about my edit summary. Now comes a real test of your integrity. Not so long ago you banned me for 24 hours as I referred to Wyss's post on MY Talkpage calling ME Sollog as 'crass stupidity'. You didn't like me using that description. You saw it as a personal attack. I draw your attention to this:
You're a documented deathporn dealer and liar. Is there anything else you'd like to discuss? Wyss 23:26, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
and
I think it's helpful that people are reminded now and then that you use the Internet to lie, harass, vandalize, impersonate and scam for the purpose of mining traffic for your deathporn and other Internet sites. Wyss 23:36, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC
On the Talk Page of Sollog.
I shall await your reaction, seeking signs of consistency, before I think about what I will (or may not) post in response. The Number 01:09, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
An Administrator posted a comment on my Talk Page and now has flatly refused to answer my question. Please would you go to the Discussion section and answer the question there? Thanks in advance. The Number 16:58, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The response? My request immediately deleted without even the courtesy of a reason. Maybe you have a lot of influence. Maybe the Administrator just couldn't be bothered and decided to treat me with disrespect. I chose the Administrator entirely at random, BTW. This is the second time I have followed your procedural advice and this is the second time it hasn't worked. I notice on your page here 'bias' is under discussion. I notice too that your scolding of Wyss was ended with 'Cheers'; you then discussed it with him and now your scolding has been removed. Very interesting indeed. You use foul language to one person.... The Number 21:51, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
If only I had the kind of influence on this site that you imagine I have! Then you would be quickly and permanently blocked. What you describe above is not me pulling the strings like a mighty Wiki puppet master. It is merely two unrelated people removing comments from their own talk pages for their own reasons. Whatever their reasons are, I have no knowledge of them. I wish you luck in accomplishing whatever it is you wish to accomplish here, but I do not wish to be part of your interactions on this website. Please do not contact me again in any manner. Gamaliel 23:31, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Why was the section about John Byrne's exposure to Goatse.cx deleted? While it may seem irrelevant, this was a major event in Mr. Byrne's life, as well as a portrayl of fan reaction to his Chapter One series. unsigned comment from 199.79.168.252
Firstly, it was a major event in his life, as it influenced his outlook and his later work. Secondly, it makes a good demonstration as to just how much Spider-Man fans despised Spider-Man: Chapter One.
Hi Gamaliel, I have to admit that I have been angered of late and I may have stepped out of line and been uncivil, so instead of getting angry and answering R. fiend back at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Diane Mela and Robin Gabrielli I am writing to suggest that you give the same prouncement to him as you did to me about "no personal attacks," for he implies at the end of his remark that I need medication, I assume because I am paranoid. That is a personal attack. Plank 19:14, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)