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Mr Pickle added his image again. I can't touch it because of the prot. 156.34.210.6 ( talk) 00:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Previous AfD was a success so take a look at this LONG and drawn out title ... List of British hard rock and heavy metal musical groups or performers. I can almost guarantee overwhelming support to delete that one. (maybe even a whopping 5 or even 6 votes :D ) 156.34.210.6 ( talk) 11:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
User:John even told him about WP:FLAG on his talk page earlier today. O_o Funeral 22:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
You're on a roll. No editor dedicated to superfluity cleanup will ever choose list over category. Your AfD reasoning can't be any simpler or more straight-forward. Here ya go... Category:Lists of metal bands... minus the actual HM bands list which has a true lead-in and refs and everything... I'd say AfD 'em all. 156.34.142.110 16:21, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
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The Guitar Barnstar | |
For all the excellent work you do behind the scenes in keeping the "players" lists clean and neat. 156.34.142.110 ( talk) 13:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC) |
Bestial Warlust - What do you think of that article? Scarian Talk 23:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi, if you would like I will re-direct your user page to here. I just thought that I would ask first. Also would you like to help promote AFD to a better status? Skeeker [ Talk 23:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Can you watch Styx and List of genres of music: A-F? User 98percenthuman (who also edits as 66.32.X.X) is having trouble understanding the difference between genre and term. I suspect some other "key" arena rock bands have the same faux pas in their infobox genre fields. I cleaned some of the obvious ones... Boston, Journey, Foreigner + a few others. But I can't watch 'em all. plus there are many more to be corrected. I just pick off a few each day. 156.34.142.110 15:42, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Forget I said that. I just found a musically impaired user who doesn't understand genres and categories. See Andrzejbanas ( talk · contribs). Help me rv him would ya. 156.34.222.110 20:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Okay, let's stop the reverting war for now. If we want it discussed the actual article for Arena rock up for discussion for deletion. Andrzejbanas 20:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
So what would you call the overtly produced tracks of Foreigner or Loverboy? And it's a strech to call it a negatively named genre, people have associated "bad music" with genre's as simple to heavy metal, emo, punk rock, hair metal, dixieland jazz and soft rock, it's a matter of opinion if one is worse then another and Arena rock is actually a lot of fun now that it's era has passed. Why not take time to fix other genre cats up such as "Category:Sludgecore albums", "Category:Epic metal albums", or the worst offender "Category:Yatch rock albums"? Andrzejbanas 20:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey Funeral... sorry for using your talk page as a chat room :D. I am not at my static IP address so I can't use my own right now. 156.34.222.110 20:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I was allowed to vote in the Motorhead Feature Article debate. But I was invited to do so (not many IPs get that) I voted from my static page so there wouldn't be any whining. But Scarian is right. I have been invited many times to AfD an article that I tried to Speedy Delete... even though I can't actually make an AfD. IPs are blocked from doing this. Which is good in a way cause if I could... I'd be AfD'ing a 100 articles a day :D. 156.34.232.128 ( talk) 23:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Who's Dr. Rock and what are his credentials? If it were Lester Bangs or Cub Koda I'd say yes. Is metalstorm a fansite or webzine? 156.34.222.110 20:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I saw your warning on his talk page. On Build a Nation, he's changed the All Music Guide rating 3 times. The album was rated 3.5 stars but he keeps changing it 4 stars. [6] [7] [8] I warned him on his talk page after the second time, but he just ignored it. Will you do something about it please, maybe block him? Cheers. Funeral 17:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, would you please talk some sense into User:Demantos. He is trying to merge Godsmack discography with Godsmack. Godsmack has enough music to warrent a seperate article for discography, and any substantially successful band has one on wikipedia. Please comment on his talk page, and comment here.
Thank you,
Skeeker [ Talk 01:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Stop harassing me. If you change my talk page again, I will report you. Deathbringer from the Sky ( talk) 19:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
how can I vandalise my own page? Deathbringer from the Sky ( talk) 19:52, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand. Why are you only taking down certain lists? I mean I kinda understand the doom metal list, but why the black metal one? And why not the death or thrahs metal page? If you're gonna go for a couple then why aren't you going for others? Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 19:11, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Your AfD's are valid. Don't let the cabal deter your efforts. The actual HM bands list is a bit more than just a list and would likely survive an AfD anyways. The Thrash metal list is also a bit more than just a list and would likely survive an AfD as well. As far as the current debates go. Your noms are becoming the subject of some serious WP:CANVAS vios by the Circusflexus bloke. Not sure if thats an ANI query but it may be an RFC?? I am not around much due to network glitches. I will follow up with you later. 156.34.142.110 ( talk) 20:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
In defense of Navnlos, i would say the accusation is invalid. Not only was it added by an IP, also no page containing the list of suspected puppets was created. I think you should either create it, but only if you have reason to believe that there is something to it, or let him delete it. Even a rude user who ignores policy shouldn't be affected by actions that seem to be bad faith. ~ | twsx | talk cont | 21:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
I think we've got plenty of evidence, their edit summaries and uploads give it away. Funeral 16:38, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh my! :-O That's so painfully obvious now... we don't even need a checkuser! Thank you Funeral! Scarian Talk 17:46, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
We're good to go. [12] Scarian Talk 20:39, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
It's been confirmed. He evaded his 3RR block twice. Deathbringer is his sock account. Good work y'all tracking this guy down. Scarian Talk 19:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Take a look at Anthem rock and see what you think. I prodded it. It could just be re-directed to Hard rock or the parent Rock music page... I think anyways. 156.34.213.120 ( talk) 00:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Nope? If it's time is up it'll likely be done... just slipping through the cracks for now. 156.34.208.51 ( talk) 18:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
for the revert. That IP is a returning banned user, that doesn't seem to like me very much! Gee I wonder why? :P Thanks again. Happy edting. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 16:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Two valid crufty-lists are gone... but the doomy black lists (the strongest of the noms so far and easliy/equally useless space occupiers) will likely stick? A successful deletion last month for "List of nu metal musicians"... did you notice the duplicate article List of nu metal bands??? How did they both exist at the same time??? I am not surprised at some of the keep votes simply because their "voters" have a musical IQ of nil... but at least one keep vote amongst both the doom and black lists votes came from an editor who usually leans towards quality, class and encyclopedic integrity. And then they went and allowed their internal 12 year old fanboy to take over and they voted 'keep'??? No one ever put forth a valid argument in any of the 'keep' votes. They all just basically said "me likey, likey!" Still... 2 (and I guess 3 counting last month) pieces of Wiki-shite are gone. So at least some good has come of it all. Kudos to you for your ongoing struggle to "turn up the good, turn down the suck". Wikipedia needs more editors like you. 156.34.216.38 ( talk) 02:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
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The Working Man's Barnstar | |
This is for all your hard work on the project; deleting the lists, hunting down Navnlos and his sock and for just generally being a dedicated Wikipedian. Thanks Funners! Scarian Talk 13:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC) |
I'd like to tap your 'inner editor" and get your 2 cents worth on the "Proposed Remake of the Page" discussion on the Talk:Black Sabbath page. I have long hoped that a group of editors would grab hold of that article and hack away all the "written by a 12 year old" content from it. I just worry that the final product will be no better then what already there. Never wanting to pick on any editor specifically for the editing gaffs... but a certain editor, who I won't name other then to say the name ends in 'oid' started out with poor writing skills... and has never improved despite thousands of edits. The Black Sabbath article is just one in a huhe crop of pages that have enough background and external sourcing from books and documentaries to become a Featured Article. But it's always been a voctim of "too many cooks". 156.34.142.110 ( talk) 17:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Can you specify what sort of citations you want? Like whether the band has played thrash, or like a citation for every thrash album included in the article? Weltanschaunng 18:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh, well that's gonna take some time, eh, but yeah will try to do everything I can. On another note, do you find something wrong with the article? For certain bands, the bullets are absent. I checked the code, reloaded a few times, but to no avail. I am sure it wasn't there before. Maybe its my browser, can you have a look? Weltanschaunng 18:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I was on firefox, and now I've tried it using IE as well. The problem persists. I am sure it wasn't there before, for I would have noticed the skewness. Anyway, I will look up for citations as you say. Is Allmusic guide ok? I myself disagree with AMG's genre classification, so I just wanted to know if it's ok. Weltanschaunng 18:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
OK, that seems manageable. However, the description part is tricky. I tried Rolling Stone for citation of the snippet I added, I couldn't find the word 'thrash' on that page. Can you tell me some sites that I can use for such form of citations? Weltanschaunng 18:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Well I added citations for annihilator, after which surfaced goof-ups (by me), well that's another story. Well, this is my real concern: Do I really have to added citations for all albums? there are atleast 100 bands on the list, and on average five albums per band. This means like 500 citations, won't it get a bit cluttered? I hope you see my concern. Weltanschaunng 12:32, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
For the vandal assist. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 23:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Its my user talk page, not yours. Polish motor crew ( talk) 15:55, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Not a cleanup?... I hate anti-anon prejudice. When editors adds stupid uncited stuff... an edit summary that says cleanup is pretty much all it needs. Unless, of course, some anal editor spies it and takes offence that the edit summary wasn't a paragraph. I should have just put 'rv'. :D . Again, thanks for the undo/redo. Have a nice day! 156.34.142.110 ( talk) 16:33, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
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Mr Pickle added his image again. I can't touch it because of the prot. 156.34.210.6 ( talk) 00:04, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Previous AfD was a success so take a look at this LONG and drawn out title ... List of British hard rock and heavy metal musical groups or performers. I can almost guarantee overwhelming support to delete that one. (maybe even a whopping 5 or even 6 votes :D ) 156.34.210.6 ( talk) 11:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
User:John even told him about WP:FLAG on his talk page earlier today. O_o Funeral 22:34, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
You're on a roll. No editor dedicated to superfluity cleanup will ever choose list over category. Your AfD reasoning can't be any simpler or more straight-forward. Here ya go... Category:Lists of metal bands... minus the actual HM bands list which has a true lead-in and refs and everything... I'd say AfD 'em all. 156.34.142.110 16:21, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
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The Guitar Barnstar | |
For all the excellent work you do behind the scenes in keeping the "players" lists clean and neat. 156.34.142.110 ( talk) 13:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC) |
Bestial Warlust - What do you think of that article? Scarian Talk 23:12, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi, if you would like I will re-direct your user page to here. I just thought that I would ask first. Also would you like to help promote AFD to a better status? Skeeker [ Talk 23:49, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
Can you watch Styx and List of genres of music: A-F? User 98percenthuman (who also edits as 66.32.X.X) is having trouble understanding the difference between genre and term. I suspect some other "key" arena rock bands have the same faux pas in their infobox genre fields. I cleaned some of the obvious ones... Boston, Journey, Foreigner + a few others. But I can't watch 'em all. plus there are many more to be corrected. I just pick off a few each day. 156.34.142.110 15:42, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Forget I said that. I just found a musically impaired user who doesn't understand genres and categories. See Andrzejbanas ( talk · contribs). Help me rv him would ya. 156.34.222.110 20:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Okay, let's stop the reverting war for now. If we want it discussed the actual article for Arena rock up for discussion for deletion. Andrzejbanas 20:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
So what would you call the overtly produced tracks of Foreigner or Loverboy? And it's a strech to call it a negatively named genre, people have associated "bad music" with genre's as simple to heavy metal, emo, punk rock, hair metal, dixieland jazz and soft rock, it's a matter of opinion if one is worse then another and Arena rock is actually a lot of fun now that it's era has passed. Why not take time to fix other genre cats up such as "Category:Sludgecore albums", "Category:Epic metal albums", or the worst offender "Category:Yatch rock albums"? Andrzejbanas 20:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey Funeral... sorry for using your talk page as a chat room :D. I am not at my static IP address so I can't use my own right now. 156.34.222.110 20:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I was allowed to vote in the Motorhead Feature Article debate. But I was invited to do so (not many IPs get that) I voted from my static page so there wouldn't be any whining. But Scarian is right. I have been invited many times to AfD an article that I tried to Speedy Delete... even though I can't actually make an AfD. IPs are blocked from doing this. Which is good in a way cause if I could... I'd be AfD'ing a 100 articles a day :D. 156.34.232.128 ( talk) 23:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Who's Dr. Rock and what are his credentials? If it were Lester Bangs or Cub Koda I'd say yes. Is metalstorm a fansite or webzine? 156.34.222.110 20:43, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, I saw your warning on his talk page. On Build a Nation, he's changed the All Music Guide rating 3 times. The album was rated 3.5 stars but he keeps changing it 4 stars. [6] [7] [8] I warned him on his talk page after the second time, but he just ignored it. Will you do something about it please, maybe block him? Cheers. Funeral 17:33, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, would you please talk some sense into User:Demantos. He is trying to merge Godsmack discography with Godsmack. Godsmack has enough music to warrent a seperate article for discography, and any substantially successful band has one on wikipedia. Please comment on his talk page, and comment here.
Thank you,
Skeeker [ Talk 01:31, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Stop harassing me. If you change my talk page again, I will report you. Deathbringer from the Sky ( talk) 19:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
how can I vandalise my own page? Deathbringer from the Sky ( talk) 19:52, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't understand. Why are you only taking down certain lists? I mean I kinda understand the doom metal list, but why the black metal one? And why not the death or thrahs metal page? If you're gonna go for a couple then why aren't you going for others? Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 19:11, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Your AfD's are valid. Don't let the cabal deter your efforts. The actual HM bands list is a bit more than just a list and would likely survive an AfD anyways. The Thrash metal list is also a bit more than just a list and would likely survive an AfD as well. As far as the current debates go. Your noms are becoming the subject of some serious WP:CANVAS vios by the Circusflexus bloke. Not sure if thats an ANI query but it may be an RFC?? I am not around much due to network glitches. I will follow up with you later. 156.34.142.110 ( talk) 20:43, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
In defense of Navnlos, i would say the accusation is invalid. Not only was it added by an IP, also no page containing the list of suspected puppets was created. I think you should either create it, but only if you have reason to believe that there is something to it, or let him delete it. Even a rude user who ignores policy shouldn't be affected by actions that seem to be bad faith. ~ | twsx | talk cont | 21:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
I think we've got plenty of evidence, their edit summaries and uploads give it away. Funeral 16:38, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh my! :-O That's so painfully obvious now... we don't even need a checkuser! Thank you Funeral! Scarian Talk 17:46, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
We're good to go. [12] Scarian Talk 20:39, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
It's been confirmed. He evaded his 3RR block twice. Deathbringer is his sock account. Good work y'all tracking this guy down. Scarian Talk 19:49, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
Take a look at Anthem rock and see what you think. I prodded it. It could just be re-directed to Hard rock or the parent Rock music page... I think anyways. 156.34.213.120 ( talk) 00:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Nope? If it's time is up it'll likely be done... just slipping through the cracks for now. 156.34.208.51 ( talk) 18:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
for the revert. That IP is a returning banned user, that doesn't seem to like me very much! Gee I wonder why? :P Thanks again. Happy edting. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 16:29, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Two valid crufty-lists are gone... but the doomy black lists (the strongest of the noms so far and easliy/equally useless space occupiers) will likely stick? A successful deletion last month for "List of nu metal musicians"... did you notice the duplicate article List of nu metal bands??? How did they both exist at the same time??? I am not surprised at some of the keep votes simply because their "voters" have a musical IQ of nil... but at least one keep vote amongst both the doom and black lists votes came from an editor who usually leans towards quality, class and encyclopedic integrity. And then they went and allowed their internal 12 year old fanboy to take over and they voted 'keep'??? No one ever put forth a valid argument in any of the 'keep' votes. They all just basically said "me likey, likey!" Still... 2 (and I guess 3 counting last month) pieces of Wiki-shite are gone. So at least some good has come of it all. Kudos to you for your ongoing struggle to "turn up the good, turn down the suck". Wikipedia needs more editors like you. 156.34.216.38 ( talk) 02:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
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The Working Man's Barnstar | |
This is for all your hard work on the project; deleting the lists, hunting down Navnlos and his sock and for just generally being a dedicated Wikipedian. Thanks Funners! Scarian Talk 13:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC) |
I'd like to tap your 'inner editor" and get your 2 cents worth on the "Proposed Remake of the Page" discussion on the Talk:Black Sabbath page. I have long hoped that a group of editors would grab hold of that article and hack away all the "written by a 12 year old" content from it. I just worry that the final product will be no better then what already there. Never wanting to pick on any editor specifically for the editing gaffs... but a certain editor, who I won't name other then to say the name ends in 'oid' started out with poor writing skills... and has never improved despite thousands of edits. The Black Sabbath article is just one in a huhe crop of pages that have enough background and external sourcing from books and documentaries to become a Featured Article. But it's always been a voctim of "too many cooks". 156.34.142.110 ( talk) 17:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Can you specify what sort of citations you want? Like whether the band has played thrash, or like a citation for every thrash album included in the article? Weltanschaunng 18:03, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh, well that's gonna take some time, eh, but yeah will try to do everything I can. On another note, do you find something wrong with the article? For certain bands, the bullets are absent. I checked the code, reloaded a few times, but to no avail. I am sure it wasn't there before. Maybe its my browser, can you have a look? Weltanschaunng 18:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I was on firefox, and now I've tried it using IE as well. The problem persists. I am sure it wasn't there before, for I would have noticed the skewness. Anyway, I will look up for citations as you say. Is Allmusic guide ok? I myself disagree with AMG's genre classification, so I just wanted to know if it's ok. Weltanschaunng 18:23, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
OK, that seems manageable. However, the description part is tricky. I tried Rolling Stone for citation of the snippet I added, I couldn't find the word 'thrash' on that page. Can you tell me some sites that I can use for such form of citations? Weltanschaunng 18:40, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Well I added citations for annihilator, after which surfaced goof-ups (by me), well that's another story. Well, this is my real concern: Do I really have to added citations for all albums? there are atleast 100 bands on the list, and on average five albums per band. This means like 500 citations, won't it get a bit cluttered? I hope you see my concern. Weltanschaunng 12:32, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
For the vandal assist. Blizzard Beast $ODIN$ 23:10, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Its my user talk page, not yours. Polish motor crew ( talk) 15:55, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Not a cleanup?... I hate anti-anon prejudice. When editors adds stupid uncited stuff... an edit summary that says cleanup is pretty much all it needs. Unless, of course, some anal editor spies it and takes offence that the edit summary wasn't a paragraph. I should have just put 'rv'. :D . Again, thanks for the undo/redo. Have a nice day! 156.34.142.110 ( talk) 16:33, 13 December 2007 (UTC)