Fred, is the review page like a workshop, where parties can add proposals about other editors, and then we will make a voting page or reuse the old one? Or is the review page for direct voting. becuase I seem to have mixed the templates, some say support/oppose and some say comments by arb/parties etc. Needs to be fixed either way, and I can do it if you tell me which way to go. Thatcher131 18:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Please explain what leads you to make this blanket statement. ~ trialsanderrors 09:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Dear ArbComm Member of Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University;
This note is to bring to your attention two issues which are creating upheaval in the article located here [1]and placed on probation under the premise of "Any user may request review by members of the Arbitration Committee." [2]. This request is based on enforcement or remedies stated in the arbitration process and failure to follow up on it.
1) An article-banned user [3] orchestrated a come back through proxy IPs from Japan and then through an account "Some people" which has been blocked twice. The problem with this is that this user had modified the entire article in less than 12 hours on January 28 2007. This user partner, TalkAbout; acted in synchrony with 244 on that night and made some changes as well using "Some people" new version. User Andries had a minor edit of that version as well.
Request to investigate user Some people [4] Analysis of situation [5] Suspicion of sockpuppet account [6] Blocks to user Some people for "a reincarnation of the editor who formerly posted from the IP address 195.82.106.244"( As admin Thatcher put it) [7]
2) The only admin we've dealing with is Thatcher131. I would like to bring to your attention what I consider to be "lack of neutrality" and fairness from his/her part. Even though, user "Some people" was blocked by Thatcher131 under a strong suspicion of him being user 244 (banned by the ArbComm for a year) Thatcher131 supported the new version of the page which are the versions of a banned user. [8] A request for enforcement of arbitration has been submitted long time ago before user 195.82.106.244 (aka 244) made several changes through his sockpuppet account "Some people" [9] but the request is still sitting there.
User "Some people" transformed the article with over 30 + entries on 22:41 28 Jan 2007 [10] and then User TalkAbout added some content and at that point, that was considered the new "good version" of the article.
I would like to request the following: 1) the article to be reverted to a state before "Some people" took over. 2) To change the "admin in charge", Thatcher131 to someone who is not emotionally involved in this issue (Thatcher131 was the clerk in the arbitration case and helped user 195.82.106.244 to file the case and presented some evidence against me but not against 244 [11])and that could enforce normal wikipedia procedures are taking place. I appreciate your time and prompt consideration on this.
Truly Yours, avyakt7 21:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
if the BKWS case is reopened, the arbitration hammer will drop on everyone else but you.
Hi, can you please look at user Evlekis and his edit wars at Wikipedia. This user, accept for editing unsourced things and use personal attacks on me, accept for that he also is taking away my articles at the talk page. He has done that a couple of times and I find it very irritating when somebody who obvious never are refering to sources or references when he edits keeps on taking away my articles at talkpage. Alkalada 21:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I give you my word that I will not make personal attacks against fellow users again in future. I have editied for more than a year and I believe that this is the first time that I have found myself in such a situation and so it will not happen again; but I would like to say that the user whom I upset is not the most agreeable of characters himself, and although I wish not to make an issue, he has in his recent edits thrown insults at me too, and his have involved foul language. Never the less. I try to play by the Wiki rules and it is not my intention to annoy any of the administrators. Thanks for the friendly short warning which did not look abrupt. Evlekis 20:19, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, thanks a lot for the entry on Gao Yaojie. I'm just about the make an entry in Wikipedia Chinese. This is gonna be helpful!
Sorry what do you mean, am I meant to have offended somebody? Jordovan 14:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Dear Fred Bauder: I would like to call to your attention what I believe is a hoax being added to the article about Friends University. One specific editor has been determined to add a trivia section that claims that Friends once went by the name Friends University of Central Kansas. This particular editor finds the acronym funny and has convinced other less experienced editors that it is this false acronym should be added to the article. It is getting picked up by other websites that mirror Wikipedia material and it is creating a false scenario. I have explained on the talk page why this section is inappropriate, for a number of reasons, e.g., no reliable source, etc., but it keeps coming back. I would appreciate your assistance based upon you being a senior admin. Thank you.-- Getaway 18:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
You've put block notices on some IP pages ( 66.102.186.24 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and 66.102.186.16 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) to name two) that seem to be rolling IPs used by Cingular/AT&T for wireless data access. Also, the IPs don't ACTUALLY seem to be blocked. Do you recall anything about this issue? -- Dante Alighieri | Talk 01:21, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Fred, I am personally shocked by your misrepresentations regarding the Sathya Sai Baba ArbCom case. You said about me:
First of all, I removed what you call "relevant external links" in accordance with the ArbCom ruling that you participated in. The ArbCom ruling prohibited the links I removed. Need I remind you: "The three revert rule shall not apply to such removal. This includes links to critical websites which contain original research or which consist of personal accounts of negative experiences with Sathya Sai Baba or organizations affiliated with him."
And your reference about me removing "queries for original research", if you would have looked at the talk page (I even said to look on the talk page on the Edit Summary), you would have seen that I posted the relevant information that warranted the removal of those tags.
Regarding your comment about me removing "reliable sources", even Andries said that reference was a primary source and Thatcher agreed that the Mick Brown reference was better sourced.
I find your gross misrepresentations appalling. SSS108 talk- email 08:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
However, I think Fred is right on the money with reference to his first example of SSS108's bad edits (regarding the UNESCO affair). Need I remind that primary sources are acceptable for Wikipedia if it is reliable? Unesco's website is a reliable source for any claims they make, and we should not forget that a heavy chunk of text was removed on the tiny plea of following WP:BLP#Writing style. I personally view this as downgrading the information in the article; The Unesco incident is important to retain because the information that follows does not make sense. For the record, Thatcher was ambiguous about it. Not to mention that this is a particular example of SSS108's editwarring while I was editing the article, which is an instance of the disruptive behaviour that brought about this second ArbCom case. Ekantik talk 02:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Could you weigh in at the RFC for a new intro sentence to Race and intelligence? The talk page is a long mess... use this direct link: [16] Thanks! futurebird 23:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I think you're getting a little too excited over nothing. If you abuse your status I could report you too, this animal what you call yours colleague likes to spread messages of hatred and culture fascism. You like to do very little to stop him telling people they talk shit, and teaming up with friends like User:Barbaric who also only has fascistic ideas. I dont need to be told that I am offending people. People like them need to be thrown off by default. I refuse to accept that I have caused offence. Jordovan 05:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Fred, when you're ready to put the Waldorf review to a vote, continue to use the {{Under review}} template, which links to the review page with the votes. (The voting template will link to the old proposed decision page). Thatcher131 16:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I will like to inform you that Andries has once again reinserted very controversial claim into Sathya Sai article as of yesterday about Sai Baba sex change titled "Alleged sex change". We had a long discussion related to this under User_talk:Fred_Bauder/Archive_38#Request_to_Fred in your talk page. Even you agreed this claim does not have a reliable source of Sai Baba actually doing it (Changing his sex from time to time). He never discussed about this exceptional claim in the Sathya Sai Baba talk page with other editors. He is pushing his POV again. He does not want third party (administrators & arbitrators) to verify the sources he is using for this claims to see if the sources / claims is reliable.
Problems with this claim: The claim lacks sound editorial judgement. The claim is biased not supported by reliable sources. The exceptional claim is in question on how reliable it is? I don’t understand why he is keen to reintroduce again & again controversial material into this article when it is under arb.com and want to repeatedly disrupt the article. Please advise.
Wikisunn Wikisunn 9th February 2007
Fred, I saw your reply in my talk page. Can I revert this? As this exceptional claim was never discussed in any talk page and sources / claim’s reliability is in question. It is against Wikipedia policy related to Biography of living persons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Biased_or_malicious_content.
Again about this claim, this was not published in any reputed source. Also you know that Andries is an activist, trying to push his POV. Why is that such exceptional claims are only found in some unknown Dutch articles or authors who are fundamental Christians. If you look at his sources like de Volksrant or Tal Brooke or Trouw – they are all trying to push their anti christ attack on Sai Baba. You will see charades of negative attacks on Sai Baba in these articles. Tal Brooke is the author of the following book on Sai Baba titled Lord of the Air: Tales of a Modern Antichrist. Also Tal Brooke is the President and Chairman for the Spiritual Counterfeits Project, which is again a Fundamentalist Christian Organization. Greatest advantage for critics is they know that nobody is going to verify their claims and they can say what ever they want even if it does not make sense in the real world.
Wikisunn 9th February 2007
Wikisunn 9th February 2007
Wikisunn 9th February 2007
Wikisunn 9th February 2007
Wikisunn 9th February 2007
Wikisunn 12th February 2007
That's how I see it. Fred Bauder 17:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Fred, I would also like to point out the following. Everybody knows there are anti sai and pro sai editors involved in this article. They have a check on each other's role in the article. If Andries is forgiven with 1RR rule after arb.com and SSS108 is banned after arb.com then this article Sathya Sai article in wikipedia will become the next largest anti sai website on net and will be out of control. If Andries is given a second chance with 1RR after all that he has done, then could you consider giving the others the same second chance the option of 1RRule. If that's not possible atleast a different option other than totally banning from wikipedia. Would you please consider to give all the party involved a fair trial and a fair second chance. Wikisunn 13th February 2007
Wikisunn 13th February 2007
Fred, is the review page like a workshop, where parties can add proposals about other editors, and then we will make a voting page or reuse the old one? Or is the review page for direct voting. becuase I seem to have mixed the templates, some say support/oppose and some say comments by arb/parties etc. Needs to be fixed either way, and I can do it if you tell me which way to go. Thatcher131 18:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Please explain what leads you to make this blanket statement. ~ trialsanderrors 09:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Dear ArbComm Member of Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University;
This note is to bring to your attention two issues which are creating upheaval in the article located here [1]and placed on probation under the premise of "Any user may request review by members of the Arbitration Committee." [2]. This request is based on enforcement or remedies stated in the arbitration process and failure to follow up on it.
1) An article-banned user [3] orchestrated a come back through proxy IPs from Japan and then through an account "Some people" which has been blocked twice. The problem with this is that this user had modified the entire article in less than 12 hours on January 28 2007. This user partner, TalkAbout; acted in synchrony with 244 on that night and made some changes as well using "Some people" new version. User Andries had a minor edit of that version as well.
Request to investigate user Some people [4] Analysis of situation [5] Suspicion of sockpuppet account [6] Blocks to user Some people for "a reincarnation of the editor who formerly posted from the IP address 195.82.106.244"( As admin Thatcher put it) [7]
2) The only admin we've dealing with is Thatcher131. I would like to bring to your attention what I consider to be "lack of neutrality" and fairness from his/her part. Even though, user "Some people" was blocked by Thatcher131 under a strong suspicion of him being user 244 (banned by the ArbComm for a year) Thatcher131 supported the new version of the page which are the versions of a banned user. [8] A request for enforcement of arbitration has been submitted long time ago before user 195.82.106.244 (aka 244) made several changes through his sockpuppet account "Some people" [9] but the request is still sitting there.
User "Some people" transformed the article with over 30 + entries on 22:41 28 Jan 2007 [10] and then User TalkAbout added some content and at that point, that was considered the new "good version" of the article.
I would like to request the following: 1) the article to be reverted to a state before "Some people" took over. 2) To change the "admin in charge", Thatcher131 to someone who is not emotionally involved in this issue (Thatcher131 was the clerk in the arbitration case and helped user 195.82.106.244 to file the case and presented some evidence against me but not against 244 [11])and that could enforce normal wikipedia procedures are taking place. I appreciate your time and prompt consideration on this.
Truly Yours, avyakt7 21:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
if the BKWS case is reopened, the arbitration hammer will drop on everyone else but you.
Hi, can you please look at user Evlekis and his edit wars at Wikipedia. This user, accept for editing unsourced things and use personal attacks on me, accept for that he also is taking away my articles at the talk page. He has done that a couple of times and I find it very irritating when somebody who obvious never are refering to sources or references when he edits keeps on taking away my articles at talkpage. Alkalada 21:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I give you my word that I will not make personal attacks against fellow users again in future. I have editied for more than a year and I believe that this is the first time that I have found myself in such a situation and so it will not happen again; but I would like to say that the user whom I upset is not the most agreeable of characters himself, and although I wish not to make an issue, he has in his recent edits thrown insults at me too, and his have involved foul language. Never the less. I try to play by the Wiki rules and it is not my intention to annoy any of the administrators. Thanks for the friendly short warning which did not look abrupt. Evlekis 20:19, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, thanks a lot for the entry on Gao Yaojie. I'm just about the make an entry in Wikipedia Chinese. This is gonna be helpful!
Sorry what do you mean, am I meant to have offended somebody? Jordovan 14:14, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Dear Fred Bauder: I would like to call to your attention what I believe is a hoax being added to the article about Friends University. One specific editor has been determined to add a trivia section that claims that Friends once went by the name Friends University of Central Kansas. This particular editor finds the acronym funny and has convinced other less experienced editors that it is this false acronym should be added to the article. It is getting picked up by other websites that mirror Wikipedia material and it is creating a false scenario. I have explained on the talk page why this section is inappropriate, for a number of reasons, e.g., no reliable source, etc., but it keeps coming back. I would appreciate your assistance based upon you being a senior admin. Thank you.-- Getaway 18:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
You've put block notices on some IP pages ( 66.102.186.24 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and 66.102.186.16 ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) to name two) that seem to be rolling IPs used by Cingular/AT&T for wireless data access. Also, the IPs don't ACTUALLY seem to be blocked. Do you recall anything about this issue? -- Dante Alighieri | Talk 01:21, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Fred, I am personally shocked by your misrepresentations regarding the Sathya Sai Baba ArbCom case. You said about me:
First of all, I removed what you call "relevant external links" in accordance with the ArbCom ruling that you participated in. The ArbCom ruling prohibited the links I removed. Need I remind you: "The three revert rule shall not apply to such removal. This includes links to critical websites which contain original research or which consist of personal accounts of negative experiences with Sathya Sai Baba or organizations affiliated with him."
And your reference about me removing "queries for original research", if you would have looked at the talk page (I even said to look on the talk page on the Edit Summary), you would have seen that I posted the relevant information that warranted the removal of those tags.
Regarding your comment about me removing "reliable sources", even Andries said that reference was a primary source and Thatcher agreed that the Mick Brown reference was better sourced.
I find your gross misrepresentations appalling. SSS108 talk- email 08:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
However, I think Fred is right on the money with reference to his first example of SSS108's bad edits (regarding the UNESCO affair). Need I remind that primary sources are acceptable for Wikipedia if it is reliable? Unesco's website is a reliable source for any claims they make, and we should not forget that a heavy chunk of text was removed on the tiny plea of following WP:BLP#Writing style. I personally view this as downgrading the information in the article; The Unesco incident is important to retain because the information that follows does not make sense. For the record, Thatcher was ambiguous about it. Not to mention that this is a particular example of SSS108's editwarring while I was editing the article, which is an instance of the disruptive behaviour that brought about this second ArbCom case. Ekantik talk 02:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Could you weigh in at the RFC for a new intro sentence to Race and intelligence? The talk page is a long mess... use this direct link: [16] Thanks! futurebird 23:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I think you're getting a little too excited over nothing. If you abuse your status I could report you too, this animal what you call yours colleague likes to spread messages of hatred and culture fascism. You like to do very little to stop him telling people they talk shit, and teaming up with friends like User:Barbaric who also only has fascistic ideas. I dont need to be told that I am offending people. People like them need to be thrown off by default. I refuse to accept that I have caused offence. Jordovan 05:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Fred, when you're ready to put the Waldorf review to a vote, continue to use the {{Under review}} template, which links to the review page with the votes. (The voting template will link to the old proposed decision page). Thatcher131 16:44, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I will like to inform you that Andries has once again reinserted very controversial claim into Sathya Sai article as of yesterday about Sai Baba sex change titled "Alleged sex change". We had a long discussion related to this under User_talk:Fred_Bauder/Archive_38#Request_to_Fred in your talk page. Even you agreed this claim does not have a reliable source of Sai Baba actually doing it (Changing his sex from time to time). He never discussed about this exceptional claim in the Sathya Sai Baba talk page with other editors. He is pushing his POV again. He does not want third party (administrators & arbitrators) to verify the sources he is using for this claims to see if the sources / claims is reliable.
Problems with this claim: The claim lacks sound editorial judgement. The claim is biased not supported by reliable sources. The exceptional claim is in question on how reliable it is? I don’t understand why he is keen to reintroduce again & again controversial material into this article when it is under arb.com and want to repeatedly disrupt the article. Please advise.
Wikisunn Wikisunn 9th February 2007
Fred, I saw your reply in my talk page. Can I revert this? As this exceptional claim was never discussed in any talk page and sources / claim’s reliability is in question. It is against Wikipedia policy related to Biography of living persons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Biased_or_malicious_content.
Again about this claim, this was not published in any reputed source. Also you know that Andries is an activist, trying to push his POV. Why is that such exceptional claims are only found in some unknown Dutch articles or authors who are fundamental Christians. If you look at his sources like de Volksrant or Tal Brooke or Trouw – they are all trying to push their anti christ attack on Sai Baba. You will see charades of negative attacks on Sai Baba in these articles. Tal Brooke is the author of the following book on Sai Baba titled Lord of the Air: Tales of a Modern Antichrist. Also Tal Brooke is the President and Chairman for the Spiritual Counterfeits Project, which is again a Fundamentalist Christian Organization. Greatest advantage for critics is they know that nobody is going to verify their claims and they can say what ever they want even if it does not make sense in the real world.
Wikisunn 9th February 2007
Wikisunn 9th February 2007
Wikisunn 9th February 2007
Wikisunn 9th February 2007
Wikisunn 9th February 2007
Wikisunn 12th February 2007
That's how I see it. Fred Bauder 17:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
Fred, I would also like to point out the following. Everybody knows there are anti sai and pro sai editors involved in this article. They have a check on each other's role in the article. If Andries is forgiven with 1RR rule after arb.com and SSS108 is banned after arb.com then this article Sathya Sai article in wikipedia will become the next largest anti sai website on net and will be out of control. If Andries is given a second chance with 1RR after all that he has done, then could you consider giving the others the same second chance the option of 1RRule. If that's not possible atleast a different option other than totally banning from wikipedia. Would you please consider to give all the party involved a fair trial and a fair second chance. Wikisunn 13th February 2007
Wikisunn 13th February 2007