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Can you delete all the mystery case files game page instead of merging. I hate that and i think it's better. 72.10.128.43 ( talk) 17:48, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- If you don't like some of the content merged to Mystery Case Files you can edit it out. It is primarily unsourced so this is acceptable within policy. I suggest you don't simply undo (revert) the edit that added the content, since other editors will assume you are vandalising or edit warring and add the content again without thinking. You should also explain what you are removing and why in the edit summary and not remove any references or content supported by references. I don't mind helping out if you run into problems, but I am holding off doing much work to the article at the moment. — Frayæ ( Talk/ Spjall) 17:58, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Good day, Frayae. I'm Gita, nice to meet you. I was the one who wrote the article about Gatot Soemartono that I submitted and got deleted yesterday. Can you please give me some advice to improve it so it can be published next time? Thank you very much, Fraye. Hope to hear from you soon. GitaHapsari140295 ( talk) 01:04, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- @ GitaHapsari140295: You can find your article completely whole at Draft:Gatot Soemartono where I moved it. You need to add references to show the subject is notable and allow others to verify the information in the article. You can then submit it to AfC using the template at the top of the article. — Frayæ ( Talk/ Spjall) 08:56, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- @ Frayae: Thank you very much for your kind help! I will do my best to fix it GitaHapsari140295 ( talk) 10:07, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
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Hi Frayae, I'm writing you you because you're the extendedmover and extendedconfirmed who moved the pages "Giuseppe Pitré" and "Sicilian Ethnographic Museum Giuseppe Pitré" to their correct spellings. I'm an Italian from Sicily, and I noticed your moving, so I've read the motivation and understood they were correct. Unluckily, as perhaps you already know, a German user rollbacked your moving. This user is an admin in German wiki (but he belongs to no user group in English wiki) and there he rollbacked the correct moving, but he didn't stop: he went in the other wikis where the pages had already the correct accent to move them to the wrong spelling or to change the corretc spellings in the page texts. I've said that "Pitré" is the correct spelling, why am I saying this? Because in Italian we use 2 accents over final Es: grave (è), indicating the pronunciation /ɛ/, and acute (é), indicating the pronunciation /e/. This relation is biunivocal, a certain accent spelling corresponds to a certain voice pronunciation, and a certain voice pronunciation corresponds to a certain accent spelling, there's no exception to this rule in Italian. As different local pronunciations of English exist, also in Italy people pronounce words and names in different ways depending on the place where they live, but the Standard Italian, the one written in dictionaries and pronounced by actors and dubbers, is the Tuscan (Florentine). The DOP, the Dictionary of orthography and pronunciation, is the most authoritative source about Italian orthoepy. It's a landmark for professional actors and dubbers, and in Italian wiki (but also others, such as English wiki) it's considered the standard reliable source about Italian spellings and pronunciations. If it registers the spelling "Pitré" and the pronunciation /pi'tre/, without indicating other spelling or pronunciations (sometimes this happens), then it means that, in Standard Italian, that's the only correct spelling and pronunciation. Probably you'll be wondering why the other spelling is also common. That's for a series of reasons: 1) Italians don't care so much about accents (in fact I told you that out of Tuscany (Florence) people pronounce Es (and Os) mid-open or mid-close depending on their location, so we often type the wrong final accent (I'd like to add that our keyboards are made in this way: we have a button for "è", but to type "é" we must type "Shift" + "è", that's why wrong spelling with "è" are more common than wrong spellings with "é"), if you google for "perchè", which is a wrong spelling for "perché" (why/because, which is a very common word), you'll find tenths of millions results; 2) in XIX century (when Pitré lived) there wasn't yet a clear distinction between the 2 accents in Italian (when he was born "Italy" didn't even exist yet) and the grave was mostly used everywhere in final position (if you search for '800 Italian books you'll find out it's exactly as I've said, here's an example: [1]); in Sicily (where Pitré lived) the local pronunciation has only open vowels (/ɛ/ and /ɔ/), so probably Pitré used to pronounce his name /pi'trɛ/ and to sign as "Pitrè", but this doesn't matter at all since Sicilian pronunciation is NOT Standard Italian (I'm a Sicilian, and when I speak I pronounce his name like that, but as I've just said this doesn't matter, I'm Italian first of all). I've written a lot, but I've explained why the spelling "Pitrè" is wrong in Standard Italian. I know that in English wiki you use also another criterium, the "most commonly used" criterium. Well, if you search Google Books you'll find more results for "Giuseppe Pitré" -"Pitrè" (about 180) than for "Giuseppe Pitrè" -"Pitré" (about 90) in English. There're also a lot of web pages with the spelling "Pitré", both in English and in Italian, so the DOP and Google Books aren't the only sources: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11]. As you see, there's no reason for manteining in these 2 pages the spelling "Pitrè", both because it's the less correct and because it's the less common. Please, move back the 2 pages you'd already moved, you're both an extendedmover and an extendedconfirmed, the German user is "nothing" here, and he proved not to know anything about Italian by qualifying the DOP (the ultimate source about Italian language) as "schifezza" (trash); in this way he actulaly qualified himself, his (wrong) opinions are neither more reliable nor more authoritative than the Dictionary of orthography and pronunciation of Italian language drawn up by 3 of the most important Italian filologists (Bruno Migliorini, Carlo Tagliavini, Piero Fiorelli). Please, I'm asking you to move back the pages on the bases of these sources and because you've got a role in English wiki, unlike the German user who interfered with other wikis business. In case you'd like to ask me for more information about this linguistic issue, please tell me and I'll reply. Thanks in advance! Essakra ( talk) 12:24, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
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Hi Frayae, thanks for the feedback! I have worked to replace primary sources with secondary sources in this article. If I have replaced enough sources, could you please remove the "too many Primary Sources" tag from the Hostwriter article? I will also work on removing the "unreliable sources", which I think might refer to the Medium article cited. Please let me know if there was another "unreliable source" article that I should also replace. Thank you! Techgrtde ( talk) 08:37, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Yes. The sources you have added are not all very reliable though. Medium should be avoided yes. Also hostwriter.org should not be cited at all. And alfter.dk is not reliable in a Wikipedia sense. You have included some good news sources so the article should be notable, but lack of resources may limit what can be included in the article. Consider shortening it by removing some unnecessary details. Things like "The idea for the organization" and mission statement related content in the lead, the sections for the "Supervisory Board", "Ambassador Network", "Code of Ethics" and "Data Protection Policy" are all of limited encyclopedia interest and could be viewed as promotional. — Frayæ ( Talk/ Spjall) 17:48, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for that advice. I will continue working to improve it and to find more reliable sources. Thank you also for removing the "primary sources" tag. Techgrtde ( talk) 19:53, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
There is a conversation happening here as to whether Sigríður Ásdís Snævarr should be referred to in her article as "Sigríður" or "Snævarr" and I am hoping that you can offer some good advice. Thanks, Carptrash ( talk) 21:29, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Your submission at Articles for creation: Chloe Westley (August 1)
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Hi Frayae,
Thanks for your inputs. It is very much helpful. Is there a way to avoid the Speedy Deletion at least temporarily, so that we can work on the recommended changes? Since Antonio Neri is the President & CEO, of Hewlett Packard Enterprise, we just used the copy from the URL that is mentioned, as nothing it is the accurate information. Now i understand the reason, i will "Say it in my own words".
Though i am part of Hewlett Packard Enterprises, and the site belongs to the company, i need to understand the organization process involved in "Donating Copyright Materials". It would be great if i am able to connect with you & get this page up and running.
"A tag has been placed on Draft:Antonio Neri (businessman) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from hpe.com/us/en/leadership-bios/antonio-neri.html. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.
If the external website or image belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text or image — which means allowing other people to use it for any reason — then you must verify that externally by one of the processes explained at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. The same holds if you are not the owner but have their permission. If you are not the owner and do not have permission, see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission for how you may obtain it. You might want to look at Wikipedia's copyright policy for more details, or ask a question here."
Thanks once again.
With Warm Regards, Palani
- Hi Palani. It is not possible to restore the copyvio text of the article previously written. It was an almost exact copy of [ this site] so you can look at that anyway. To continue, create a new page at Draft:Antonio Neri (businessman) and write an article in your own words and without copying. You will need to add a number of independent sources (eg. news reports) that discuss the subject to show it is notable. — Frayæ ( Talk/ Spjall) 15:50, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Your submission at Articles for creation: Ila Kol Elli Bihebbouni (August 2)
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Can you delete all the mystery case files game page instead of merging. I hate that and i think it's better. 72.10.128.43 ( talk) 17:48, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
- If you don't like some of the content merged to Mystery Case Files you can edit it out. It is primarily unsourced so this is acceptable within policy. I suggest you don't simply undo (revert) the edit that added the content, since other editors will assume you are vandalising or edit warring and add the content again without thinking. You should also explain what you are removing and why in the edit summary and not remove any references or content supported by references. I don't mind helping out if you run into problems, but I am holding off doing much work to the article at the moment. — Frayæ ( Talk/ Spjall) 17:58, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Good day, Frayae. I'm Gita, nice to meet you. I was the one who wrote the article about Gatot Soemartono that I submitted and got deleted yesterday. Can you please give me some advice to improve it so it can be published next time? Thank you very much, Fraye. Hope to hear from you soon. GitaHapsari140295 ( talk) 01:04, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- @ GitaHapsari140295: You can find your article completely whole at Draft:Gatot Soemartono where I moved it. You need to add references to show the subject is notable and allow others to verify the information in the article. You can then submit it to AfC using the template at the top of the article. — Frayæ ( Talk/ Spjall) 08:56, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
- @ Frayae: Thank you very much for your kind help! I will do my best to fix it GitaHapsari140295 ( talk) 10:07, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
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Hi Frayae, I'm writing you you because you're the extendedmover and extendedconfirmed who moved the pages "Giuseppe Pitré" and "Sicilian Ethnographic Museum Giuseppe Pitré" to their correct spellings. I'm an Italian from Sicily, and I noticed your moving, so I've read the motivation and understood they were correct. Unluckily, as perhaps you already know, a German user rollbacked your moving. This user is an admin in German wiki (but he belongs to no user group in English wiki) and there he rollbacked the correct moving, but he didn't stop: he went in the other wikis where the pages had already the correct accent to move them to the wrong spelling or to change the corretc spellings in the page texts. I've said that "Pitré" is the correct spelling, why am I saying this? Because in Italian we use 2 accents over final Es: grave (è), indicating the pronunciation /ɛ/, and acute (é), indicating the pronunciation /e/. This relation is biunivocal, a certain accent spelling corresponds to a certain voice pronunciation, and a certain voice pronunciation corresponds to a certain accent spelling, there's no exception to this rule in Italian. As different local pronunciations of English exist, also in Italy people pronounce words and names in different ways depending on the place where they live, but the Standard Italian, the one written in dictionaries and pronounced by actors and dubbers, is the Tuscan (Florentine). The DOP, the Dictionary of orthography and pronunciation, is the most authoritative source about Italian orthoepy. It's a landmark for professional actors and dubbers, and in Italian wiki (but also others, such as English wiki) it's considered the standard reliable source about Italian spellings and pronunciations. If it registers the spelling "Pitré" and the pronunciation /pi'tre/, without indicating other spelling or pronunciations (sometimes this happens), then it means that, in Standard Italian, that's the only correct spelling and pronunciation. Probably you'll be wondering why the other spelling is also common. That's for a series of reasons: 1) Italians don't care so much about accents (in fact I told you that out of Tuscany (Florence) people pronounce Es (and Os) mid-open or mid-close depending on their location, so we often type the wrong final accent (I'd like to add that our keyboards are made in this way: we have a button for "è", but to type "é" we must type "Shift" + "è", that's why wrong spelling with "è" are more common than wrong spellings with "é"), if you google for "perchè", which is a wrong spelling for "perché" (why/because, which is a very common word), you'll find tenths of millions results; 2) in XIX century (when Pitré lived) there wasn't yet a clear distinction between the 2 accents in Italian (when he was born "Italy" didn't even exist yet) and the grave was mostly used everywhere in final position (if you search for '800 Italian books you'll find out it's exactly as I've said, here's an example: [1]); in Sicily (where Pitré lived) the local pronunciation has only open vowels (/ɛ/ and /ɔ/), so probably Pitré used to pronounce his name /pi'trɛ/ and to sign as "Pitrè", but this doesn't matter at all since Sicilian pronunciation is NOT Standard Italian (I'm a Sicilian, and when I speak I pronounce his name like that, but as I've just said this doesn't matter, I'm Italian first of all). I've written a lot, but I've explained why the spelling "Pitrè" is wrong in Standard Italian. I know that in English wiki you use also another criterium, the "most commonly used" criterium. Well, if you search Google Books you'll find more results for "Giuseppe Pitré" -"Pitrè" (about 180) than for "Giuseppe Pitrè" -"Pitré" (about 90) in English. There're also a lot of web pages with the spelling "Pitré", both in English and in Italian, so the DOP and Google Books aren't the only sources: [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11]. As you see, there's no reason for manteining in these 2 pages the spelling "Pitrè", both because it's the less correct and because it's the less common. Please, move back the 2 pages you'd already moved, you're both an extendedmover and an extendedconfirmed, the German user is "nothing" here, and he proved not to know anything about Italian by qualifying the DOP (the ultimate source about Italian language) as "schifezza" (trash); in this way he actulaly qualified himself, his (wrong) opinions are neither more reliable nor more authoritative than the Dictionary of orthography and pronunciation of Italian language drawn up by 3 of the most important Italian filologists (Bruno Migliorini, Carlo Tagliavini, Piero Fiorelli). Please, I'm asking you to move back the pages on the bases of these sources and because you've got a role in English wiki, unlike the German user who interfered with other wikis business. In case you'd like to ask me for more information about this linguistic issue, please tell me and I'll reply. Thanks in advance! Essakra ( talk) 12:24, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
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Hi Frayae, thanks for the feedback! I have worked to replace primary sources with secondary sources in this article. If I have replaced enough sources, could you please remove the "too many Primary Sources" tag from the Hostwriter article? I will also work on removing the "unreliable sources", which I think might refer to the Medium article cited. Please let me know if there was another "unreliable source" article that I should also replace. Thank you! Techgrtde ( talk) 08:37, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
- Yes. The sources you have added are not all very reliable though. Medium should be avoided yes. Also hostwriter.org should not be cited at all. And alfter.dk is not reliable in a Wikipedia sense. You have included some good news sources so the article should be notable, but lack of resources may limit what can be included in the article. Consider shortening it by removing some unnecessary details. Things like "The idea for the organization" and mission statement related content in the lead, the sections for the "Supervisory Board", "Ambassador Network", "Code of Ethics" and "Data Protection Policy" are all of limited encyclopedia interest and could be viewed as promotional. — Frayæ ( Talk/ Spjall) 17:48, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for that advice. I will continue working to improve it and to find more reliable sources. Thank you also for removing the "primary sources" tag. Techgrtde ( talk) 19:53, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
There is a conversation happening here as to whether Sigríður Ásdís Snævarr should be referred to in her article as "Sigríður" or "Snævarr" and I am hoping that you can offer some good advice. Thanks, Carptrash ( talk) 21:29, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Your submission at Articles for creation: Chloe Westley (August 1)
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Hi Frayae,
Thanks for your inputs. It is very much helpful. Is there a way to avoid the Speedy Deletion at least temporarily, so that we can work on the recommended changes? Since Antonio Neri is the President & CEO, of Hewlett Packard Enterprise, we just used the copy from the URL that is mentioned, as nothing it is the accurate information. Now i understand the reason, i will "Say it in my own words".
Though i am part of Hewlett Packard Enterprises, and the site belongs to the company, i need to understand the organization process involved in "Donating Copyright Materials". It would be great if i am able to connect with you & get this page up and running.
"A tag has been placed on Draft:Antonio Neri (businessman) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be an unambiguous copyright infringement. This page appears to be a direct copy from hpe.com/us/en/leadership-bios/antonio-neri.html. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.
If the external website or image belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text or image — which means allowing other people to use it for any reason — then you must verify that externally by one of the processes explained at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. The same holds if you are not the owner but have their permission. If you are not the owner and do not have permission, see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission for how you may obtain it. You might want to look at Wikipedia's copyright policy for more details, or ask a question here."
Thanks once again.
With Warm Regards, Palani
- Hi Palani. It is not possible to restore the copyvio text of the article previously written. It was an almost exact copy of [ this site] so you can look at that anyway. To continue, create a new page at Draft:Antonio Neri (businessman) and write an article in your own words and without copying. You will need to add a number of independent sources (eg. news reports) that discuss the subject to show it is notable. — Frayæ ( Talk/ Spjall) 15:50, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
Your submission at Articles for creation: Ila Kol Elli Bihebbouni (August 2)
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