It's been real. :) - FrancisTyers 02:08, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Hello Francis,
I see you are opposed to nationalism -- a good thing. But could you tell me why you support talk like "we're the baddest, most beautiful things on god's green earth"? It seems supremacist to me. I hope that together we can unite to oppose editors who use this sort of language.
Justforasecond 16:37, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
defending your country, your history and your existence isnt unbridled nationalism, its normal and your right to do so. i dont claim greek history, i am claiming my own history wich has been stolen by greece and even by bulgaria. isnt it normal to defend myself then?? greetings -- Makedonia 11:51, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't blame todays Turks for the deaths, that is referring to the Turks at the time. I'm blaming todays Turks for denying that it happened, as is the policy of the Turkish government. If you are going against the policy of your government I salute you! :) Perhaps I could make this more explicit, I encourage you to offer alternative suggestions.
With regard to the Welsh economy, I would advise that you look into it if you have the time. There is of course the chance that someone would step in to take the place of England in the subsidising stakes, but that is not the point. Skirts are kilts for women? LOL :)) Unfortunately if you ask most people if they are nationalist they would reply no, because they don't really think about it. This test has the effect of making people think. As I have done (as you can see on the talk page).
Hi, sorry for taking so long to reply. I did not login to Wikipedia for a very long time. I can't see the data you generate the graph from because the page doesn't exist anymore. But no problem. I accept your explanation and last I checked, it seems the graph got somehow improved. My only objection which remains is that it is unclear what on the graph is data points and what is a fit line. So perhaps, if you are sampling the user count every day since 1/1/2003, you should add something like this to the graph description: "Graph of user growth on HC. Since 1/1/2003 the number of users is sampled every day. The data before 1/1/2003 are based on rough statistics provided on the HC page and are inacurate." Something like that. I'm actually quite impressed. I was thinking the graph is some very amateurish work of someone who didn't know how to put points, so he has drawen the whole line, while actually you appear to be sampling with a good frequency which makes it possible to draw such a detailed graph. But you need to explain, because otherwise the reader has no way to know this :) Thank you! -- hhanke 23:35, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Very good! It is fixed now. Thank you! I've also added a comment to Talk:HospitalityClub. I wonder if the whole thread with my comment should be removed now? Feel free to do so. I have no more objections and I think the graph is very useful now. -- hhanke 21:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, I see the following possibilities:
Your guess is as good as mine... Telex 14:41, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
BTW, if you're interested in the Arvanites, I've written a little article on them over at sqwiki: sq:Arvanitët. Telex 15:00, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
yes, "sic" - I had read the article, and knew it wasn't a spelling error. That's exactly why I put that "sic" in... :-) BTW, I hear you are studying with Trudgill? Lukas (T.| @) 15:30, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
... have you ever considered writing from a neutral point of view? I bet I just exposed myself (which option at #Reply is true). Telex 21:29, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Just a heads up, no conflicts or problems. It appears that anon, aka Btar, is now editing Tourette syndrome as Karmak. Hope all is well with you! Sandy 08:54, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
My bad! :p — Khoikhoi 09:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I didn't know you spoke Welsh... Telex 16:59, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Cut and paste moves are wrong. Telex 17:48, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Francis, the situation in R. Macedonia is that Albanian is official only in the Albanian municipalties. That is similar, as Aldux said in the talk about the portal, like South Tyrol in Italy. There, the German language is official, but that is not a reason the German langauge to be used in such similar cases as this. Therefore, I think this is unnecessary. Still, Albanian is official in Albania for the level you refer to. Regards, Bomac 18:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Only by the Albanian politicians. Bomac 18:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
That's because I'm a cosmopolitan (just like Telex) and I think that all South Slavic languages are mutually intelligible. How's that? Bomac 19:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Done. But my user page esthetical-impact is a bit of ruined... Bomac 20:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, yes... Done that too. Bomac 21:20, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Could you please check out a dispute I am involved in on the article Montgomery Academy. An anonymous editor has an issue with stating that the school was founded as the result of desegregation. While other editors examined the issue and said the article was balanced and provided references, to be safe I added even more references to support the article (including an article in a respected newspaper quoting the school's current headmaster as saying the school was formed b/c of desegregation). I have repeatedly asked this anonymous editor to provide a reference, any reference, to back up her claims but she says she can't do that. Despite this, she keeps changing the article and arguing on the talk page and has caused another editor to say this must be taken to mediation. Could you check out the issue and state what you see? In my opinion it is not reasonable to ask for mediation when one editor won't even abide by the most basic tenets of Wikipedia (no original research and provide references). Obviously I'm frustrated so any assistance you can provide would be welcome. Thanks.-- Alabamaboy 21:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey dude, sorry for mixing up the intent for the nationalist page. Still a cool page though! Later. Tombseye 02:11, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I know we have our differences, but I wanted to say I appreciate your general command in articles and resources. I also like your efforts against nationalistic approach. I hope we can work together to improve the articles.
By the way, about that Denmark issue we had, I personally don't support the restriction of mother-tongue broadcasts, in Turkey we have lots of ethnicities and it's a richness. I lived in the Netherlands for 5.5 years and I know how one misses to hear his/her own language. It's something good that it's been corrected nowadays in Turkey.
However it's stated in our media that Roj TV is actually broadcasting materials supporting PKK actions, mentioning killed terrorists as martyrs, inciting violent demonstrations etc, which is a strong debacle now in Turkey. That's why Turkish public in general is not happy with Denmark nor Roj. I hope my position is clear. Cheers -- Gokhan 12:39, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Hello! I hope you're well; I'm on a wikibreak of sorts ... ha! But thank you for your praise and request: I appreciate it! I've been similarly encouraged by others to become a Wp Administrator.
However, I respectfully decline to an RfAdmin or to become an Admin at this time. I feel that my current level of activity would not be helped or hindered by becoming an Admin. I may reconsider this at some later date (and one of the advocates I mentioned wants to nominate me later), but I'm not ambitious – or perhaps foolish? ;) – enough to pass that bar just yet.
Please let me know if you've any questions; thanks again! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 15:57, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Francis, I would like to thank you for the warm welcome message. The links on the Welcome section are also very useful. Thanks and take care. Ozgur Gerilla 23:09, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Hehe, nice image in Portal talk:Greece:)...(and as u said, totally irrelevant to the greeks) the examples that u used, fit in the respective people and countries, and in most of them i agree with. but u (me and all the rest) should have in mind that we cannot judge everything according to something that may or may not look like it. i will answer to what u've said in the same order, one by one (by speaking about the aromanians in greece):
hope i helped u understand. if not, the whole internet is waiting for u to figure that out. and if u get confused, maybe visit greece once more to assure yourself:)-- Hectorian 02:45, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Salut, we need babysitting over at Talk:Macedonians (ethnic group). The discussion has really gone off topic (renaming the article) due to the fact that Bomac has been bluffing about what Krste Misirkov is alleged to have said (it's not his fault, that's what they are taught in Skopje). Could you help? Telex 18:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Sure; on p. 663 of the Encyclopædia Britannica Book of the Year 2003 (ISBN 0-85229-956-7), the entry for Macedonia (typically one country per page, sometimes more) indicates the following uptop:
The footnote(s) below indicate the following:
which is verbatim the note I added to the infobox, with other content since embellished.
Given recent goings-on, I've included the first note regarding the name too. :) I can scan the page if you wish; please let me know if you've any questions. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 21:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
What are we going to do about Vlatko. Should I report him for violating the 3RR or will you block him now? Telex 00:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Check the revision history of Blagoevgrad Province to see the kind of things he does ;-) Telex 00:30, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
This user has begun a unnecessary revert war in Ajith. He first fiddled with the salary figures for the actor changing them from 35 million to 3.5 million (35 lakhs). Then he removed the nickname and supporting links without a pretense of a discussion. He has already reverted the article twice today. Now he is threatening to block me citing 3RR when I try to undo his vandalisms. Please restrain him Anwar saadat 00:59, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
As you should have understood what is written in the ohrid agreemend. It is said that only the macedonian is official and other languages only regulated by law. As no other language is regulated by law as an official, it is only the macedonian. How can u confuse the day and the night, hahahahaha! Vlatko 03:04, 07 May 2006 (UTC)
What is this supposed to mean? Telex 15:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
The article was originally deleted because nobody can come up with references claiming its notability. The article, rewritten or not, is still unsourced. nobody has proven the article's notability. User:Zoe| (talk) 18:09, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Francis, could you help me on Bitola, as MatriX has reverted my edits on the ground that they are unsourced [9] when I had cited sources (the only sources). Could you please do something. Telex 20:23, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Hello- What is a rationale? Can someone direct me to it so I can post a link? ( Knottykid 21:26, 8 May 2006 (UTC))
Hi, how are you? I hope we understood the mestake we have made regarding to Macedonia's official language(s). OK, this is mine POV and strong posision: The ohrid agreement was deliverd in 2001 as a document througt wich the state should transform in the next four year.Its implementation is an clone image of what the agreement is. OK to the "official language", througt the implementation of the agreement there were brought several laws as the law of the languages, Only the macedonian finished as official on the entire teritory and in international relations the other minority languages were defined only as municipality languages. I expect an opinion from you soon. Vlatko 12:19, 09 May 2006 (UTC)
The ohrid agreement is only an agreement not to be confused with a law brought by the parlament, i Will repeat agin , we must diferentiate the agreement and its implementation, and throught the imlementation the albanian finished not as an official language, only the macedonian. Vlatko 12:33, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Please make difference between the Ohrid agreement and its implementation, Throught the implementation changes were made and with the laws brought (regarding the ohrid agreement) none law defines the albanian as an official.Please regard only the official Constitutional documents. The agreement is an state level document but not and official, as changes can be made throught its implementation on mutual consensus between the sides. Albanian is still not 'STILL an official language of RoM.when it becomes as such than i will write the name of macedonia in albanian. Vlatko 12:45, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Article 7 (1) The Macedonian language, written using its Cyrillic alphabet, is the official language throughout the Republic of Macedonia and in the international relations of the Republic of Macedonia. (2) Any other language spoken by at least 20 percent of the population is also an official language, written using its alphabet, as specified below. (3) Any official personal documents of citizens speaking an official language other than Macedonian shall also be issued in that language, in addition to the Macedonian language, in accordance with the law. (4) Any person living in a unit of local self-government in which at least 20 percent of the population speaks an official language other than Macedonian may use any official language to communicate with the regional office of the central government with responsibility for that municipality; such an office shall reply in that language in addition to Macedonian. Any person may use any official language to communicate with a main office of the central government, which shall reply in that language in addition to Macedonian. (5) In the organs of the Republic of Macedonia, any official language other than Macedonian may be used in accordance with the law. (6) In the units of local self-government where at least 20 percent of the population speaks a particular language, that language and its alphabet shall be used as an official language in addition to the Macedonian language and the Cyrillic alphabet. With respect to languages spoken by less than 20 percent of the population of a unit of local self-government, the local authorities shall decide on their use in public bodies.
see the bolded words in paragraph (2): easy, none has yet been defined by law. in paragraph (1) it clearly written.READ And MAcedonia it's not going contradictory to it self. DEFINED BY LAW the constitution explains it. Please talk to someone who understands and than take some POV. thanx. TVlatko 12:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Please do not discus with me about nothin else, cose i see that the entire time you only implicate, i tried to convince you, that you are wrong.But I could not. I regard my self as a realistic and rational individua. You are wrong about the language but haveing strong unbreakable POV makes you oinly a problem maker. I INVENTED NOT THE OHRID AGREEMENT, THE MACEDONIAN CONSTITUTON AND LAWS OF. thanx Vlatko 13:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Thats definately proof that writing in capital letters makes your argument more effective. - FrancisTyers 11:30, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanx for yor ironic agree, still hope you understood the writtem above. Vlatko 13:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks again for mediating on the Montgomery Academy article. As I said, your compromise language works fine for me. I hope I haven't been too "recalcitrant" on all of this--the situation was frustrating to me but I think a better article has come out of the process. Any thoughts on what the next step will be? I'm refraining from responding to the anonymous editor b/c, honestly, I don't know what to say to someone who hates an article but won't work to improve it. Best, -- Alabamaboy 13:32, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I thought we were near consensus on the article but in light of the anonymous editor's recent comments I don't think that will happen. I personally don't want to keep going round and round on this with her. Any suggestion on what should be done next?-- Alabamaboy 02:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm a bit depressed about how the mediation is going. As I've said, I feel that almost all of the anonymous editor's issues, and all of her major issues, have been addressed. If she truly feels that we are back to "step one" then I would prefer to revert the article to its original version and let all of this go to official arbitration. I strongly feel, though, that the one statement I added back to Dystopos's version (a statement which was compromise language first suggested by you) must be kept in. Otherwise I didn't change anything significant over what Dystopos wrote. I think, though, that the anonymous editor won't be satisfied until any direct reference to desegregation is removed. Any thoughts on what to do next?-- Alabamaboy 15:05, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd suggest checking out Leila Aboulela [11] and [12], the book From the 'peripheries': periscoping the romantic trend in Sudanese fiction by Oladosu Afis A. (if you can find it), Anthology of modern Sudanese poetry edited by Osman Hassan Ahmed (again, if you can find it), and this excellent PDF THE ARABIC WRITINGS OF EASTERN SUDANIC AFRICA AN OVERVIEW (possibly the best overall history of early Sudanese literature available over the web). I hope some of this helps.-- Alabamaboy 18:00, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Francis. A couple months ago you commented on a proposal to change Category:****ian trade unions to Category:Trade unions in ****. [13]. At the time there was no consensus for a decision, so I re-started the discussion at WikiProject Organized Labour. If you have a moment, your input would be appreciated. Cheers. -- Bookandcoffee 21:53, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi FrancisTyers, thanks for joining Wikipedia:WikiProject Space Colonization! Have fun with it.
Hi, could you give a hand over at Human rights in Turkey. Some guy is revert warring and has probably violated the 3RR a few times, but has a fast changing dynamic IP. Telex 20:43, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Francis, Hectorian, Telex, Khoikhoi are the ones who started reverting war. They are disputing the fact that the PKK is a terrorist group. They are against putting things into perspective: That's stating the fact that PKK is a terrorist group. I believe otherwise the article lacks the proper context and misleads the reader. In case you're not familiar with this issue: PKK is a terrorist organization as recognized by the US, UK, European Union, Canada, Australia, Russia, China, actually it's difficult to point a state denying it. By the way, the story about changing dynamic IP is a lie. You can check the history. Best regards. Anonymous users who'll get an account soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.211.192.250 ( talk • contribs) 21:14, 10 May 2006
Hi Francis, I'm writing this to get some help or advice on what to do with some intolerant Turkish ultra-nationalist users I've spotted editing Kurdish related articles and turning each on of them into Turkish propagandas. I would like to give you a few examples, User:Hatusli keeps writting this line "by many considered a terrorist organization." on the main section of the Aptullah Ocalan article. I think that is just labelling and not giving facts; Ocalan by manyis considered a freedom fighter and many others a Terrorist. The thing is the line continues with "Öcalan himself has been labelled a terrorist by several states and international organizations such as the United States, European Union, Turkey, Syria, Canada, Iran and Australia" which is a fact. I don't understand why they need to put the first line which is an opinion. Secondly, in User:Hatuslis talk page there is a strange thing going on. A few Turkish nationalists are working together to change PKK and Kurdish related article to what they think. User:Denix has written this in User:Hatuslis talk page:
Wikipedia ile ilgili mesajınızı/eleştirilerinizi aldım, bunlara katılmakla beraber şunu belirtmek istiyorum, genellikle batılılar ve Amerikalılar tarafından yönetilen bir sitedeyiz, fazla bir şey beklememek lazım (her ne kadar "özgür ve fikirlere açık" bir yer olarak gösterilse de). Bazen yazılan makalelere bakıyorum, örneğin "Ardahan", bu benim memleketim, ama üzülerek görüyorum ki İngilizce Wikipedia'daki makaleye Türkçe telaffuzun yanına bir de Ermeni telaffuzu eklenmiş. Tarihi inkar etmiyorum ancak Ardahan artık Türk'tür ve Türk kalacaktır. "Vandalizm" diye adlandırılan bu tür olaylarla sık sık karşılaşıyorum, bu özellikle Kuzey Amerika'da yaşayan Ermeniler tarafından yapılıyor. Ve ne yazık ki bazıları Admin/Moderatör seviyesinde... --Denix
translates to:
I have received your message regarding Wikipedia. Agreeing to what you've stated I would like to add, that in majority we are a website manipulated bu the west and by Americans, thus one shouldn't expect much (even though it is represented as "open to freedom of speech"). Sometimes I look at articles, for example "Ardahan", this is my home district, and sadly I see that in the English Wikipedia articles next to the Turkish pronounciation the Armenian is added. I don't deny the history but Ardahan is now Turkish and will stay Turkish. I spot "Vandalism" very often, especially done by Armenians from North America. And sadly, some of those users are on Admin/Moderator level.
Also, the user TuzsuzDeliBekir said "..sayfaya Kurdish Terrorist yazılmasını engelliyorlar.." which translates to "In the article they are blocking as write Kurdish terrorist" regarding the Aptullah Olacak article.
Each time I explore a Kurdish related article I see Turkish users gathering to make Kurdish, Armenian related articles to what they think it is. Unfortunately I haven't got that much of time but I would like to contirbute to fix this problem. Could you please tell me on what can I do to complain about these users. Also is it possible to start a: WikiProject Kurds? Do you think it will be a good idea? Ozgur Gerilla 23:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi there! I'll peruse the article in a few days, if that's OK. At first blush, it resembles a glorified DAB page and is different (i.e., seems unfocused) from what I had in mind ... but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. :) Merci! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 02:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm trying to start some sort of working group to improve the coverage of Central Asia and related topics in Wikipedia. Leave a message on my userpage if you're interested. Aelfthrytha 04:10, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Can you please explain what I did wrong converting references on Machine translation article? I noticed you reverted my changes. I followed User:Cyde/Ref converter instructions. Thank you. - Tutmosis 22:15, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, you see this. Do you think you could put a few words behind it, so as to make the desired result more likely (you know that he can always be reblocked if something goes wrong). -- Telex 22:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Technically I'm on a Wikibreak but a group of us are trying to the William_Shakespeare article included in the Wikipedia Article Improvement Drive. Since you have an interest in literature, perhaps you'd be interested in checking out the page and casting a vote. Best, -- Alabamaboy 00:43, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Francis. I've found two duplicate articles of the same argument, a small Slavophone minority of Muslim religion present in Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey and possibly RoM. The articles in question are Pomaks and Muslim Bulgarians and must be merged under the title of the first or the second. All research I made tends to show that Pomaks is the name by which they are commonly known; in Google Book Search 1340 hits for Pomaks, and 30 hits for Muslim Bulgarians. I've already asked advice to Telex ( User_talk:Telex/Archive1#Pomaks) but wanted to hear also your opinion. Ciao, -- Aldux 20:43, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey Francis,
Can I bug you again to help me figure out the copyright status of a picture I uploaded of Robert Schoenhof Weil?
I just got a message from Wikipedia saying the picture would be deleted after 7 days if I didn't clarify copyright status. I have no idea how this thing works. Verdad 20:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC) aka 65.44.108.11
I thought that maybe you'd be interested in this: [14] -- Karl Meier 19:44, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
First of all, sorry about my late reply, I've been touring Western Europe the past month. Why I have bg-1 on my user page? Well, that's the bg-level I can contribute in Wikipedia. While I seem to understand Bulgarian quite well, it's hard for me to write in standard Bulgarian. Same goes for Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian - I understand them perfectly, and I can contribute on them with more confidence, yet I have some trouble with cases. As for Macedonia (terminology), could you explain to me what are the points of contest? -- FlavrSavr 21:21, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
It's a great text. Really. I'm really not a linguist to give a real evaluation of it, but I think it summarizes the essence of the title "Why Macedonian is not Bulgarian". Are you familliar with Blaze Koneski's work? -- FlavrSavr 23:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I'm kind of busy this period, so I can't provide a serious input to History of the Macedonian language. Lack of time is a real problem for me this year, as evidenced by my low participation in wiki-activities over here and on mk.wiki where I am a lowsy bureaucrat. I promise I'll show a better performance the following summer. Meanwhile, I'll generally leave it up to FunkyFly to present the Macedonians as nazi-collaborators and mould the Macedonian history at will. -- FlavrSavr 22:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Francis. Would you mind to have a look at Sumgait Massacre? We have the same sort of dispute as at Khojaly page, maybe you can help us reach consensus? Thanks in advance. Grandmaster 10:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Re this, I think mine was better, since the contemporary region map (even if unofficial) is more important to ancient/roman definitions -so it should be bigger-, plus the contradicting images of Μακεδονία and Македониа were exactly where they should be (politics section). Ofcourse, this is a matter of aesthetics, so feel free to disagree with my aesthetic POV! :-)
PS: That includes this attempt! NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 14:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Francis! Bother, if I had realised you were on the list I would have come to you directly. Some chap has come forward already. But to be honest I would still like your input, as I felt your proposals on the Armenian issue were quite fair. By the way, problems have flared up again there. This time I think it is some people really causing trouble than having any real grievances - other than that the article says the Armenians were treated badly! John Smith's 17:00, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, for a start: "It goes further to describe how peasents with rakes search for the pilot, who is then evacuated with 37 chopters." -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 22:07, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey man, User:John Smith says that you're doing the above mediation, mind if I join you? - FrancisTyers 20:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi there. Looking at this, I'd say that User:PIO and User:Jxy are the same person. Which means that some sock puppetry is involved here and some blocking should be done. But, as I've just had a rather intense discussion on WP:SOCK talk page regarding the policy, I'm distancing myself from dealing with sock puppets for a week or so and would like to ask you to do something with this guy. If you feel like it. If not, I'll ask another admin. Thanks in advance. -- Dijxtra 10:19, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Bestial is not an appropriate adjective about massacres of children in Bleiburg and foibe? May you help me in this research of an adjective? Tag is not a problem, historic false is the problem! Broz and communists were first partisans, are you sure? My sources mention Mihailovic and royalist Serbs as first partisans! I propose my version in my edit but many informations of article are not accurate!-- PIO 14:43, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I and Jxy are two damned friends who use the same damned computer! Take it easy! Ciao, -- PIO 15:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi there... I finally got around to cleaning up the Principles and Parameters page. I think it is much improved. Feel free to let me know your thoughts. Cheers, Tyrell turing 19:40, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Francis. Sorry for disturbing you, but could you please pay an attention to the actions of anonymous User:72.57.230.179 once again? He’s engaged in trolling. He created a userbox that calls for incorporation of Azerbaijan into Iran and keeps adding it to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Azeri page. Could you please explain to him that such actions are not appropriate at Wikipedia? I tried, but with no success. Grandmaster 12:01, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Consensus for who. Read my user page. I am a member of that page and I want that user box there. They have a userbox that only one person uses on it!!! Look at the lame excuses he gave me. Look at the discussion between user:Grandmaster and Telex. I am sorry, but I want to deal with another administrator. DSo not take this the wrong way, but you are a little to cushy with these two users. They can not silence dissending voices. And when it comes to a project page it is a whole new ball game. I can even prove that user:Grandmaster is insincer and gaming the system and manipulating the administration. Also please warn user:Grandmaster about his threats.
72.57.230.179
This is outrageous. How much longer are these users going to be allowed to treat other editos and members like this or gang up on them. Look at their outlandish claims. I am sorry but that userbox is good. 72.57.230.179
Hi, Francis, I've been reading through your coursework, and I think it's biased. Why (amongst others) do you say in the footnote that the usage of the name Republic of Macedonia is controversial, "fortunately" only in Greece? Also, on a more interesting subject, you are quoting Tomić and he says that the phrase I have read the book in Albanian is
I can't understand that phrase. As far as I know, in standard Albanian, that phrase is:
In Arvanitika, it's almost identical:
So, what is it supposed to be, does he say? -- Telex 13:30, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
How do you mean my contribution doesn't make sense? All I did was grammatical corrections and only one change in the first paragraph. MatriX 14:39, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok, sorry for being a little bit nervous, but I was really unpleasantly surprised when I opened Macedonian language and saw all my edits reverted (I hate being reverted:)). I know that you are valuable editor of the Macedonian articles. About the arrival of Slavs, I still stay at my opinion that they came here in big amount because they succeeded to populate many areas of the Balkans permanently, to siege many Byzantium towns, castles and villages etc (I don’t have info about the real numbers, maybe nobody knows it). About the use of derogative terms in the terminology article, by my opinion they aren’t appropriate there, but if the majority of the editors find them good (I hadn’t time to check who inserted them at all) then maybe we could leave them. MatriX 15:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Have you checked this one out? [15] (I copied the title and I'm to lazy to lowercase it, in case you're thinking I'm shouting). I must admit, this site does have a lot of partisan articles, but it also has quite a lot relevant documents. /FunkyFly.talk_ 21:35, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Ah, the respected Kronsteiner, nobody understands the Bulgarian language better than him! -- FlavrSavr 22:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey Francis. There's a vandalism problem in Talk:Ancient Macedonian language. I removed an anon's edit which contained a clear personal attack as per WP:NPA, and now the anon keeps restoring it and removing my own edits for no reason (which falls under simple vandalism). Miskin 23:01, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Nevermind, he played it tough in the beginning but he finally decided to follow the rules. He rewrote his edit in a civil manner, though his edit-summary contained another attack, this time directly only to me. Miskin 23:09, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Francis, do you think that when you finish with the "Macedonian" language, you could focus on the Greek language. I've long thought that article's a mess, and needs restructuring. -- Telex 14:24, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I think I can help. Will you let me? Mr.EditConflict
I will RfA today concerning all the things that have been happening in the Armenian Genocide article and its talk page for the last few months and the people involved and I thought you would want to give your input about it as a thrid party. Fad (ix) 17:00, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I have brought the sources used from other Wiki page(s). It is what you asked for and I added it into the article. WHat do you think? Fair. I don't want them deleting it and making more excuses so please take a look before their is another edit war. 72.57.230.179
Go to both talk: Music of Azarbaijan and the actual article. ALso please look at the edit history for the article. This is what has me worked up. There is proof there that user:Grandmaster is not editing correctly. See what he states in the edit history. It is a short edit history and so is the little article. Please look and get back to me becuase I do not want an edit war where it is him and his friends vs. me. 72.57.230.179
You know what user:Grandmaster was delete my work saying citations were needed but all the sections claiming Azaris are Turks needed citations for a very long period of time now and he never bothered to give verfications is this not double standards? Take a look at the article. This is outrageous I just realized it. 72.57.230.179
Hi, Francis.
I'll see what I can do, I'm rather busy nowadays... Bomac 08:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
done:) MatriX 16:16, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Please visit [17] and weigh in! NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 18:00, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Can the same formula be applied for Turkic claims as was for Iranian ethnicity?! The same formula; peer-reviewed, reliable sources that state that "Azerbaijanis are racially Turkic". Giving the citation, a link, and information to support the assertion. The claims that Azaris are Turkic never were varified and were on the article for ages, while the links to Iranians was verified. 72.57.230.179
You know, one day, I decided to open an account and edit mkwiki. It was nice at first, I made the article on "Aegean" Macedonia more neutral, for example, I added the fact that it can also be called "Greek Macedonia", I replaced the old FYROM flag (which I have no idea why it was there in the first place - it even had a caption saying "the national flag of the Macedonian people"), with the flag of Greek Macedonia and the Greek Macedonians (and said so in the caption accordingly), and I even referred to the place as a province of Greece and mentioned the irredentist ambitions Macedonian Slav nationalists have against the predominantly Greek populated province. Well, I was reverted by a user who amongst numerous personal attacks in the edit summary, he screamed DEATH TO GREEKS. I feel upset now :-( -- Telex 14:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Can you please look at this case, it was skipped for some reason. Thanks. /FunkyFly.talk_ 18:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to interrupt, but I think you should see this: Macedonia. (if you like, ofcourse). Regards, Bomac 11:58, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I advice you vandalism and personal attack of user Zivan56: you can see here [18]! My rollback after vandalism because my share is certainlly NPOV! This user is against me and i consider him a vandal! Needs block for him!-- PIO 18:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I expected your respond yesterday. Well I think that as an administrator it is you obligation :), but you know the best. I'll wait..--- >>> <<< 23:24, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
What do you think of this little issue we have here? /FunkyFly.talk_ 01:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Please do read this [19]. There was a consensus version of this article worked out by Modi, VMORO and me, until Funky step in, and destroyed it without citing any source for his edits, purely on the basis of original research and stubborn POVing (although, at some point he seemed to agree with the compromise version [20] ). This was done in numerous other articles concerning Macedonian history, one of them being Jane Sandanski. Please investigate the matter. Regards. -- FlavrSavr 02:06, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to discuss the points surrounding this on an IRC or email enviorment w/o interference from 3rd parties... would you be interested? -- Cat out 18:08, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I am still waiting for that IRC convo... :) -- Cat out 18:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Could you see my new article United Macedonia and comment. Thanks. -- Telex 22:55, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Out of adminophobia, I will not dare to revert you, but can you please source your edit that Goce Delchev is an ethnic Macedonian? /FunkyFly.talk_ 23:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, you are giving British 0-100 scores, I'm talking about American 0-100 scores and their correspondence with letter grades. /FunkyFly.talk_ 23:55, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Francis. I’m giving up on the article about Sumgait. The guys simply don’t want to listen and insist on using the Armenian source that has a strong bias. It’s enough to see the advertisement from the website of Zoryan institute, which compiled the book. For example, it says: These events marked the beginning of a premeditated plan to depopulate Azerbaijan of Armenians, and eventually of Russians and Jews. [21] For the record, there’s not single proof of the existence of such a plan and currently hundreds of thousands Russians and Jews live in Azerbaijan. It’s simply a lie. It’s obvious that the book they want to base their article on is a partisan source. So I’m leaving the discussion, because I see no reason in endlessly going around in circles, but I’m going to keep the disputed tag on the article until the article is brought in compliance with NPOV standards. Regards, Grandmaster 14:10, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I've done a little and written User:Telex/Ethnic identity in Greece. As you're the expert in such matters, could you please comment. Thanks. -- Telex 14:19, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I have no choice but to ask from you to mediate or offer your opinion in Talk:Saints Cyril and Methodius, concerning tag-vandalism, wp:cite and NPOV. Regards. Miskin 17:31, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the message. What's the right license for free to copy, distribute, display, and perform the work, free to make derivative works and free to make commercial use of the work by Attribution? CoYep 15:04, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
If we find images tagged with a free license, are we supposed to check that the license is valid? CoYep 15:26, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Alright, then what do you recommend? IMO the article isn't complete without a picture of Marley. We can't use the album cover, and you say the new one is fishy, so what you think about this one Image:Kinsgton Bob Marley statue.jpg ? Not the best, but maybe it will do until we find a better solution. CoYep 15:39, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I tought you might help here Macedonism.-- Vlatko 21:13, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I think the tag on the Sumgait article does not comply with the article. The tag states that the article "does not rely on primary sources" which is completely false, it relies on everything but reports by the media. I don't think it should remain so since GM's claims do not extend to articles that are on even shakier ground than Sumgait's, which is confirmed by a plethora of witnesses. See here for example March Massacre; GM edited that article twice yet never attached that tag even though its only source was a parliamentary official from Azerbaijan itself and no proof whatsoever was provided to substantiate his claims.-- MarshallBagramyan 17:16, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
What I meant was not that the entire articles's info was coming from the book that Grandmaster was uncomfortable in using, but that their statements come from witnesses. I have used three different sources on that article and I'm going to eventually abstain from using Shamuratian's book when their claims become less controversial; whether they be from the New York Times or the Washington Post. Secondary sources are being used and will be used more extensively but I think its important to shed light on the events that were obviously, intentionally hidden by the media. Many Soviet reporters at that time complained of the media's quietness during and after the massacre because most people were finding out about by word of mouth. Don't worry, I'll be sure to include at least half a dozen sources from reputable newspapers alone. Regards-- MarshallBagramyan 02:40, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey Francis,
Could you please semi-protect Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922)? Some anon keeps adding strong POV into the article, thanks. — Khoikhoi 21:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I saw the outcome but can't really make heads or tails of it because I don't understand the languages. I could read Cyrillic version somewhat - there are many letters not used in Cyrillic-writing languages I am familiar with (Serbian, Macedonian, Russian) so its kinda hard...
-- Aleksandar Šušnjar 16:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Please see Goce Delchev. -- FlavrSavr 17:17, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I suppose you was there and talked with him. Really, you are saying like you've been and talked with him. Bomac 17:50, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Certainly not. According to many of his quotes (not to mention deeds), he is Macedonian. Bomac 17:55, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
You protected Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922) can you do the same with my user page? Please do so. Thank you. -- Preacher, or Princelet 18:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Even CheckUser didn't say it's Bonaparte. So fuck off Khoikhoi, go away! See here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_CheckUser#Greier -- Preacher, or Princelet 18:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Since you are one of the founding parties of this conspiracy of an article against balkan people in general (:-)) kindly "throw it an eye-lash" (ask room-mate what that means...) I added notes, subscript arrows, and text in the geography section. NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 21:56, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Francis. I started a new article: Slavic language (Greece), to deal with the language, the self-described Slavophone Greeks speak. I used articles such as Vlach language (Serbia) and Moldovan language as my inspiration - (names for) languages which are not recognized by mainstream linguistics, but seem to be perceived as such by the people who speak them and the state in which they are spoken (after all, the 1951 census recorded speakers of Slavic, not Macedonian or Bulgarian). I'm writing this here, because I know everyone's got this page on their watchlist. I just started Wikipedia:Macedonian Wikipedians' notice board, so I'm thinking we could get everyone to add that to their watchlists, and transfer the role of your talk page to there ;-) -- Telex 18:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, a made tis article greater skopje, but I make mestakes with writting :-), could you make corections, thax. Vlatko 21:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Please keep an eye on Azari and the talk:Azari. I have started the following in the discussion.
It has been ages since these citations have not been verified. Verification is needed. If not delete the material. the amount of time granted has been generious. The Azaris Iranian background has been verified through various scientific and academic sources, but the Turkic claim has not. The only think that has been verified is the Turkic langauge. 72.57.230.179
Hi Francis. Here’s another non-partisan source about Sumgait. Please have a look when you have time:
The Nagorny Karabakh conflict: origins, dynamics and misperceptions
Grandmaster 12:47, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm anxious to know your atitude about the statements in the articles about the controversal ancectry of the revolutionares like Jane Sandanski, Goce Delchev, Pitu Guli... There they are stated only as Bulgarian (reagrded as such in Bulgaria), and after that it stays that they are regarded in RoM as Macedonians. Where is hear the consensual wikipedia? I sugest you to tell to User:FunkyFly to reconsider his actions and I expect you to change the statements to Macedonian or Bulgarian<<< (We should create an article about) in order to keep wikipedia's neutrality policy. Thanx and please answer me on my user page. -- Vlatko 15:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
There's too much censorship around here [24]. This is not the Socialist Republic of Macedonia, where dissenting voices to the official version of history disappear, is it? Please reassure me. -- Telex 15:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
BTW Francis, can you do something about permabanned Bonaparte ( talk · contribs · block log)'s open proxy anon sockpuppets over at Vlach language (Serbia) and Vlachs. Thanks. -- Telex 17:45, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that you are trying to implement the WP:USER policy on some Macedonian editors' user pages. If you need any help, (for example, if someone compares you with Goebbels), please contact me, I'll be glad to assist. It's really time to remove these strange mutating borders and bad colour management from Wikipedia. There are many ways, other than Wikipedia, to express their own political attitudes. Еби ја границата! :P -- FlavrSavr 08:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
P.S. Have you received the e-mail I've sent you? -- FlavrSavr 08:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I dont understand it guys, a user page is a private page, a page about someone's own mind and interests, we dont force you to look our pages!, so this tekst of flavrsavr above is based on nothing, only because you dont agree with my/our political views, and because you dont want a united country? there are also many users who have this, not only "macedonians", so please drop your actions or be more specific. -- Makedonia 09:24, 1 June 2006 (UTC) Rano e uste za ebanje na granici!
is this version gooD? i think you are wrong on this, but ok, i will show my good will and dont want any problems.its good you arent warning just macedonians, but others too, however, there are many many users with the same sort of thing, or you do it with all, or you dont do it AT all. -- Makedonia 14:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
ok i will, i think this version is good, if it must i am ready to make more changes, can the box stay wich i am stating my support for a united macedonia? i mean there are many boxes for united albania or supporting independency of palestina etc. -- Makedonia 14:57, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
-- Malber ( talk • contribs) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{ subst:smile}}, {{ subst:smile2}} or {{ subst:smile3}} to their talk pages. Happy editing!
It's been real. :) - FrancisTyers 02:08, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Hello Francis,
I see you are opposed to nationalism -- a good thing. But could you tell me why you support talk like "we're the baddest, most beautiful things on god's green earth"? It seems supremacist to me. I hope that together we can unite to oppose editors who use this sort of language.
Justforasecond 16:37, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
defending your country, your history and your existence isnt unbridled nationalism, its normal and your right to do so. i dont claim greek history, i am claiming my own history wich has been stolen by greece and even by bulgaria. isnt it normal to defend myself then?? greetings -- Makedonia 11:51, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't blame todays Turks for the deaths, that is referring to the Turks at the time. I'm blaming todays Turks for denying that it happened, as is the policy of the Turkish government. If you are going against the policy of your government I salute you! :) Perhaps I could make this more explicit, I encourage you to offer alternative suggestions.
With regard to the Welsh economy, I would advise that you look into it if you have the time. There is of course the chance that someone would step in to take the place of England in the subsidising stakes, but that is not the point. Skirts are kilts for women? LOL :)) Unfortunately if you ask most people if they are nationalist they would reply no, because they don't really think about it. This test has the effect of making people think. As I have done (as you can see on the talk page).
Hi, sorry for taking so long to reply. I did not login to Wikipedia for a very long time. I can't see the data you generate the graph from because the page doesn't exist anymore. But no problem. I accept your explanation and last I checked, it seems the graph got somehow improved. My only objection which remains is that it is unclear what on the graph is data points and what is a fit line. So perhaps, if you are sampling the user count every day since 1/1/2003, you should add something like this to the graph description: "Graph of user growth on HC. Since 1/1/2003 the number of users is sampled every day. The data before 1/1/2003 are based on rough statistics provided on the HC page and are inacurate." Something like that. I'm actually quite impressed. I was thinking the graph is some very amateurish work of someone who didn't know how to put points, so he has drawen the whole line, while actually you appear to be sampling with a good frequency which makes it possible to draw such a detailed graph. But you need to explain, because otherwise the reader has no way to know this :) Thank you! -- hhanke 23:35, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Very good! It is fixed now. Thank you! I've also added a comment to Talk:HospitalityClub. I wonder if the whole thread with my comment should be removed now? Feel free to do so. I have no more objections and I think the graph is very useful now. -- hhanke 21:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, I see the following possibilities:
Your guess is as good as mine... Telex 14:41, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
BTW, if you're interested in the Arvanites, I've written a little article on them over at sqwiki: sq:Arvanitët. Telex 15:00, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
yes, "sic" - I had read the article, and knew it wasn't a spelling error. That's exactly why I put that "sic" in... :-) BTW, I hear you are studying with Trudgill? Lukas (T.| @) 15:30, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
... have you ever considered writing from a neutral point of view? I bet I just exposed myself (which option at #Reply is true). Telex 21:29, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
Just a heads up, no conflicts or problems. It appears that anon, aka Btar, is now editing Tourette syndrome as Karmak. Hope all is well with you! Sandy 08:54, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
My bad! :p — Khoikhoi 09:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I didn't know you spoke Welsh... Telex 16:59, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Cut and paste moves are wrong. Telex 17:48, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Francis, the situation in R. Macedonia is that Albanian is official only in the Albanian municipalties. That is similar, as Aldux said in the talk about the portal, like South Tyrol in Italy. There, the German language is official, but that is not a reason the German langauge to be used in such similar cases as this. Therefore, I think this is unnecessary. Still, Albanian is official in Albania for the level you refer to. Regards, Bomac 18:08, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Only by the Albanian politicians. Bomac 18:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
That's because I'm a cosmopolitan (just like Telex) and I think that all South Slavic languages are mutually intelligible. How's that? Bomac 19:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Done. But my user page esthetical-impact is a bit of ruined... Bomac 20:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, yes... Done that too. Bomac 21:20, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Could you please check out a dispute I am involved in on the article Montgomery Academy. An anonymous editor has an issue with stating that the school was founded as the result of desegregation. While other editors examined the issue and said the article was balanced and provided references, to be safe I added even more references to support the article (including an article in a respected newspaper quoting the school's current headmaster as saying the school was formed b/c of desegregation). I have repeatedly asked this anonymous editor to provide a reference, any reference, to back up her claims but she says she can't do that. Despite this, she keeps changing the article and arguing on the talk page and has caused another editor to say this must be taken to mediation. Could you check out the issue and state what you see? In my opinion it is not reasonable to ask for mediation when one editor won't even abide by the most basic tenets of Wikipedia (no original research and provide references). Obviously I'm frustrated so any assistance you can provide would be welcome. Thanks.-- Alabamaboy 21:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey dude, sorry for mixing up the intent for the nationalist page. Still a cool page though! Later. Tombseye 02:11, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I know we have our differences, but I wanted to say I appreciate your general command in articles and resources. I also like your efforts against nationalistic approach. I hope we can work together to improve the articles.
By the way, about that Denmark issue we had, I personally don't support the restriction of mother-tongue broadcasts, in Turkey we have lots of ethnicities and it's a richness. I lived in the Netherlands for 5.5 years and I know how one misses to hear his/her own language. It's something good that it's been corrected nowadays in Turkey.
However it's stated in our media that Roj TV is actually broadcasting materials supporting PKK actions, mentioning killed terrorists as martyrs, inciting violent demonstrations etc, which is a strong debacle now in Turkey. That's why Turkish public in general is not happy with Denmark nor Roj. I hope my position is clear. Cheers -- Gokhan 12:39, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Hello! I hope you're well; I'm on a wikibreak of sorts ... ha! But thank you for your praise and request: I appreciate it! I've been similarly encouraged by others to become a Wp Administrator.
However, I respectfully decline to an RfAdmin or to become an Admin at this time. I feel that my current level of activity would not be helped or hindered by becoming an Admin. I may reconsider this at some later date (and one of the advocates I mentioned wants to nominate me later), but I'm not ambitious – or perhaps foolish? ;) – enough to pass that bar just yet.
Please let me know if you've any questions; thanks again! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 15:57, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Francis, I would like to thank you for the warm welcome message. The links on the Welcome section are also very useful. Thanks and take care. Ozgur Gerilla 23:09, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
Hehe, nice image in Portal talk:Greece:)...(and as u said, totally irrelevant to the greeks) the examples that u used, fit in the respective people and countries, and in most of them i agree with. but u (me and all the rest) should have in mind that we cannot judge everything according to something that may or may not look like it. i will answer to what u've said in the same order, one by one (by speaking about the aromanians in greece):
hope i helped u understand. if not, the whole internet is waiting for u to figure that out. and if u get confused, maybe visit greece once more to assure yourself:)-- Hectorian 02:45, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Salut, we need babysitting over at Talk:Macedonians (ethnic group). The discussion has really gone off topic (renaming the article) due to the fact that Bomac has been bluffing about what Krste Misirkov is alleged to have said (it's not his fault, that's what they are taught in Skopje). Could you help? Telex 18:03, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Sure; on p. 663 of the Encyclopædia Britannica Book of the Year 2003 (ISBN 0-85229-956-7), the entry for Macedonia (typically one country per page, sometimes more) indicates the following uptop:
The footnote(s) below indicate the following:
which is verbatim the note I added to the infobox, with other content since embellished.
Given recent goings-on, I've included the first note regarding the name too. :) I can scan the page if you wish; please let me know if you've any questions. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 21:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
What are we going to do about Vlatko. Should I report him for violating the 3RR or will you block him now? Telex 00:10, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
Check the revision history of Blagoevgrad Province to see the kind of things he does ;-) Telex 00:30, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
This user has begun a unnecessary revert war in Ajith. He first fiddled with the salary figures for the actor changing them from 35 million to 3.5 million (35 lakhs). Then he removed the nickname and supporting links without a pretense of a discussion. He has already reverted the article twice today. Now he is threatening to block me citing 3RR when I try to undo his vandalisms. Please restrain him Anwar saadat 00:59, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
As you should have understood what is written in the ohrid agreemend. It is said that only the macedonian is official and other languages only regulated by law. As no other language is regulated by law as an official, it is only the macedonian. How can u confuse the day and the night, hahahahaha! Vlatko 03:04, 07 May 2006 (UTC)
What is this supposed to mean? Telex 15:20, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
The article was originally deleted because nobody can come up with references claiming its notability. The article, rewritten or not, is still unsourced. nobody has proven the article's notability. User:Zoe| (talk) 18:09, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Francis, could you help me on Bitola, as MatriX has reverted my edits on the ground that they are unsourced [9] when I had cited sources (the only sources). Could you please do something. Telex 20:23, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Hello- What is a rationale? Can someone direct me to it so I can post a link? ( Knottykid 21:26, 8 May 2006 (UTC))
Hi, how are you? I hope we understood the mestake we have made regarding to Macedonia's official language(s). OK, this is mine POV and strong posision: The ohrid agreement was deliverd in 2001 as a document througt wich the state should transform in the next four year.Its implementation is an clone image of what the agreement is. OK to the "official language", througt the implementation of the agreement there were brought several laws as the law of the languages, Only the macedonian finished as official on the entire teritory and in international relations the other minority languages were defined only as municipality languages. I expect an opinion from you soon. Vlatko 12:19, 09 May 2006 (UTC)
The ohrid agreement is only an agreement not to be confused with a law brought by the parlament, i Will repeat agin , we must diferentiate the agreement and its implementation, and throught the imlementation the albanian finished not as an official language, only the macedonian. Vlatko 12:33, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Please make difference between the Ohrid agreement and its implementation, Throught the implementation changes were made and with the laws brought (regarding the ohrid agreement) none law defines the albanian as an official.Please regard only the official Constitutional documents. The agreement is an state level document but not and official, as changes can be made throught its implementation on mutual consensus between the sides. Albanian is still not 'STILL an official language of RoM.when it becomes as such than i will write the name of macedonia in albanian. Vlatko 12:45, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Article 7 (1) The Macedonian language, written using its Cyrillic alphabet, is the official language throughout the Republic of Macedonia and in the international relations of the Republic of Macedonia. (2) Any other language spoken by at least 20 percent of the population is also an official language, written using its alphabet, as specified below. (3) Any official personal documents of citizens speaking an official language other than Macedonian shall also be issued in that language, in addition to the Macedonian language, in accordance with the law. (4) Any person living in a unit of local self-government in which at least 20 percent of the population speaks an official language other than Macedonian may use any official language to communicate with the regional office of the central government with responsibility for that municipality; such an office shall reply in that language in addition to Macedonian. Any person may use any official language to communicate with a main office of the central government, which shall reply in that language in addition to Macedonian. (5) In the organs of the Republic of Macedonia, any official language other than Macedonian may be used in accordance with the law. (6) In the units of local self-government where at least 20 percent of the population speaks a particular language, that language and its alphabet shall be used as an official language in addition to the Macedonian language and the Cyrillic alphabet. With respect to languages spoken by less than 20 percent of the population of a unit of local self-government, the local authorities shall decide on their use in public bodies.
see the bolded words in paragraph (2): easy, none has yet been defined by law. in paragraph (1) it clearly written.READ And MAcedonia it's not going contradictory to it self. DEFINED BY LAW the constitution explains it. Please talk to someone who understands and than take some POV. thanx. TVlatko 12:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Please do not discus with me about nothin else, cose i see that the entire time you only implicate, i tried to convince you, that you are wrong.But I could not. I regard my self as a realistic and rational individua. You are wrong about the language but haveing strong unbreakable POV makes you oinly a problem maker. I INVENTED NOT THE OHRID AGREEMENT, THE MACEDONIAN CONSTITUTON AND LAWS OF. thanx Vlatko 13:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Thats definately proof that writing in capital letters makes your argument more effective. - FrancisTyers 11:30, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanx for yor ironic agree, still hope you understood the writtem above. Vlatko 13:41, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks again for mediating on the Montgomery Academy article. As I said, your compromise language works fine for me. I hope I haven't been too "recalcitrant" on all of this--the situation was frustrating to me but I think a better article has come out of the process. Any thoughts on what the next step will be? I'm refraining from responding to the anonymous editor b/c, honestly, I don't know what to say to someone who hates an article but won't work to improve it. Best, -- Alabamaboy 13:32, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I thought we were near consensus on the article but in light of the anonymous editor's recent comments I don't think that will happen. I personally don't want to keep going round and round on this with her. Any suggestion on what should be done next?-- Alabamaboy 02:17, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm a bit depressed about how the mediation is going. As I've said, I feel that almost all of the anonymous editor's issues, and all of her major issues, have been addressed. If she truly feels that we are back to "step one" then I would prefer to revert the article to its original version and let all of this go to official arbitration. I strongly feel, though, that the one statement I added back to Dystopos's version (a statement which was compromise language first suggested by you) must be kept in. Otherwise I didn't change anything significant over what Dystopos wrote. I think, though, that the anonymous editor won't be satisfied until any direct reference to desegregation is removed. Any thoughts on what to do next?-- Alabamaboy 15:05, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd suggest checking out Leila Aboulela [11] and [12], the book From the 'peripheries': periscoping the romantic trend in Sudanese fiction by Oladosu Afis A. (if you can find it), Anthology of modern Sudanese poetry edited by Osman Hassan Ahmed (again, if you can find it), and this excellent PDF THE ARABIC WRITINGS OF EASTERN SUDANIC AFRICA AN OVERVIEW (possibly the best overall history of early Sudanese literature available over the web). I hope some of this helps.-- Alabamaboy 18:00, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Francis. A couple months ago you commented on a proposal to change Category:****ian trade unions to Category:Trade unions in ****. [13]. At the time there was no consensus for a decision, so I re-started the discussion at WikiProject Organized Labour. If you have a moment, your input would be appreciated. Cheers. -- Bookandcoffee 21:53, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi FrancisTyers, thanks for joining Wikipedia:WikiProject Space Colonization! Have fun with it.
Hi, could you give a hand over at Human rights in Turkey. Some guy is revert warring and has probably violated the 3RR a few times, but has a fast changing dynamic IP. Telex 20:43, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Francis, Hectorian, Telex, Khoikhoi are the ones who started reverting war. They are disputing the fact that the PKK is a terrorist group. They are against putting things into perspective: That's stating the fact that PKK is a terrorist group. I believe otherwise the article lacks the proper context and misleads the reader. In case you're not familiar with this issue: PKK is a terrorist organization as recognized by the US, UK, European Union, Canada, Australia, Russia, China, actually it's difficult to point a state denying it. By the way, the story about changing dynamic IP is a lie. You can check the history. Best regards. Anonymous users who'll get an account soon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.211.192.250 ( talk • contribs) 21:14, 10 May 2006
Hi Francis, I'm writing this to get some help or advice on what to do with some intolerant Turkish ultra-nationalist users I've spotted editing Kurdish related articles and turning each on of them into Turkish propagandas. I would like to give you a few examples, User:Hatusli keeps writting this line "by many considered a terrorist organization." on the main section of the Aptullah Ocalan article. I think that is just labelling and not giving facts; Ocalan by manyis considered a freedom fighter and many others a Terrorist. The thing is the line continues with "Öcalan himself has been labelled a terrorist by several states and international organizations such as the United States, European Union, Turkey, Syria, Canada, Iran and Australia" which is a fact. I don't understand why they need to put the first line which is an opinion. Secondly, in User:Hatuslis talk page there is a strange thing going on. A few Turkish nationalists are working together to change PKK and Kurdish related article to what they think. User:Denix has written this in User:Hatuslis talk page:
Wikipedia ile ilgili mesajınızı/eleştirilerinizi aldım, bunlara katılmakla beraber şunu belirtmek istiyorum, genellikle batılılar ve Amerikalılar tarafından yönetilen bir sitedeyiz, fazla bir şey beklememek lazım (her ne kadar "özgür ve fikirlere açık" bir yer olarak gösterilse de). Bazen yazılan makalelere bakıyorum, örneğin "Ardahan", bu benim memleketim, ama üzülerek görüyorum ki İngilizce Wikipedia'daki makaleye Türkçe telaffuzun yanına bir de Ermeni telaffuzu eklenmiş. Tarihi inkar etmiyorum ancak Ardahan artık Türk'tür ve Türk kalacaktır. "Vandalizm" diye adlandırılan bu tür olaylarla sık sık karşılaşıyorum, bu özellikle Kuzey Amerika'da yaşayan Ermeniler tarafından yapılıyor. Ve ne yazık ki bazıları Admin/Moderatör seviyesinde... --Denix
translates to:
I have received your message regarding Wikipedia. Agreeing to what you've stated I would like to add, that in majority we are a website manipulated bu the west and by Americans, thus one shouldn't expect much (even though it is represented as "open to freedom of speech"). Sometimes I look at articles, for example "Ardahan", this is my home district, and sadly I see that in the English Wikipedia articles next to the Turkish pronounciation the Armenian is added. I don't deny the history but Ardahan is now Turkish and will stay Turkish. I spot "Vandalism" very often, especially done by Armenians from North America. And sadly, some of those users are on Admin/Moderator level.
Also, the user TuzsuzDeliBekir said "..sayfaya Kurdish Terrorist yazılmasını engelliyorlar.." which translates to "In the article they are blocking as write Kurdish terrorist" regarding the Aptullah Olacak article.
Each time I explore a Kurdish related article I see Turkish users gathering to make Kurdish, Armenian related articles to what they think it is. Unfortunately I haven't got that much of time but I would like to contirbute to fix this problem. Could you please tell me on what can I do to complain about these users. Also is it possible to start a: WikiProject Kurds? Do you think it will be a good idea? Ozgur Gerilla 23:52, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi there! I'll peruse the article in a few days, if that's OK. At first blush, it resembles a glorified DAB page and is different (i.e., seems unfocused) from what I had in mind ... but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. :) Merci! E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 02:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm trying to start some sort of working group to improve the coverage of Central Asia and related topics in Wikipedia. Leave a message on my userpage if you're interested. Aelfthrytha 04:10, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Can you please explain what I did wrong converting references on Machine translation article? I noticed you reverted my changes. I followed User:Cyde/Ref converter instructions. Thank you. - Tutmosis 22:15, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, you see this. Do you think you could put a few words behind it, so as to make the desired result more likely (you know that he can always be reblocked if something goes wrong). -- Telex 22:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
Technically I'm on a Wikibreak but a group of us are trying to the William_Shakespeare article included in the Wikipedia Article Improvement Drive. Since you have an interest in literature, perhaps you'd be interested in checking out the page and casting a vote. Best, -- Alabamaboy 00:43, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Francis. I've found two duplicate articles of the same argument, a small Slavophone minority of Muslim religion present in Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey and possibly RoM. The articles in question are Pomaks and Muslim Bulgarians and must be merged under the title of the first or the second. All research I made tends to show that Pomaks is the name by which they are commonly known; in Google Book Search 1340 hits for Pomaks, and 30 hits for Muslim Bulgarians. I've already asked advice to Telex ( User_talk:Telex/Archive1#Pomaks) but wanted to hear also your opinion. Ciao, -- Aldux 20:43, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey Francis,
Can I bug you again to help me figure out the copyright status of a picture I uploaded of Robert Schoenhof Weil?
I just got a message from Wikipedia saying the picture would be deleted after 7 days if I didn't clarify copyright status. I have no idea how this thing works. Verdad 20:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC) aka 65.44.108.11
I thought that maybe you'd be interested in this: [14] -- Karl Meier 19:44, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
First of all, sorry about my late reply, I've been touring Western Europe the past month. Why I have bg-1 on my user page? Well, that's the bg-level I can contribute in Wikipedia. While I seem to understand Bulgarian quite well, it's hard for me to write in standard Bulgarian. Same goes for Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian - I understand them perfectly, and I can contribute on them with more confidence, yet I have some trouble with cases. As for Macedonia (terminology), could you explain to me what are the points of contest? -- FlavrSavr 21:21, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
It's a great text. Really. I'm really not a linguist to give a real evaluation of it, but I think it summarizes the essence of the title "Why Macedonian is not Bulgarian". Are you familliar with Blaze Koneski's work? -- FlavrSavr 23:32, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I'm kind of busy this period, so I can't provide a serious input to History of the Macedonian language. Lack of time is a real problem for me this year, as evidenced by my low participation in wiki-activities over here and on mk.wiki where I am a lowsy bureaucrat. I promise I'll show a better performance the following summer. Meanwhile, I'll generally leave it up to FunkyFly to present the Macedonians as nazi-collaborators and mould the Macedonian history at will. -- FlavrSavr 22:19, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Francis. Would you mind to have a look at Sumgait Massacre? We have the same sort of dispute as at Khojaly page, maybe you can help us reach consensus? Thanks in advance. Grandmaster 10:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Re this, I think mine was better, since the contemporary region map (even if unofficial) is more important to ancient/roman definitions -so it should be bigger-, plus the contradicting images of Μακεδονία and Македониа were exactly where they should be (politics section). Ofcourse, this is a matter of aesthetics, so feel free to disagree with my aesthetic POV! :-)
PS: That includes this attempt! NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 14:38, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Francis! Bother, if I had realised you were on the list I would have come to you directly. Some chap has come forward already. But to be honest I would still like your input, as I felt your proposals on the Armenian issue were quite fair. By the way, problems have flared up again there. This time I think it is some people really causing trouble than having any real grievances - other than that the article says the Armenians were treated badly! John Smith's 17:00, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, for a start: "It goes further to describe how peasents with rakes search for the pilot, who is then evacuated with 37 chopters." -- Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 22:07, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey man, User:John Smith says that you're doing the above mediation, mind if I join you? - FrancisTyers 20:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi there. Looking at this, I'd say that User:PIO and User:Jxy are the same person. Which means that some sock puppetry is involved here and some blocking should be done. But, as I've just had a rather intense discussion on WP:SOCK talk page regarding the policy, I'm distancing myself from dealing with sock puppets for a week or so and would like to ask you to do something with this guy. If you feel like it. If not, I'll ask another admin. Thanks in advance. -- Dijxtra 10:19, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Bestial is not an appropriate adjective about massacres of children in Bleiburg and foibe? May you help me in this research of an adjective? Tag is not a problem, historic false is the problem! Broz and communists were first partisans, are you sure? My sources mention Mihailovic and royalist Serbs as first partisans! I propose my version in my edit but many informations of article are not accurate!-- PIO 14:43, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I and Jxy are two damned friends who use the same damned computer! Take it easy! Ciao, -- PIO 15:01, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi there... I finally got around to cleaning up the Principles and Parameters page. I think it is much improved. Feel free to let me know your thoughts. Cheers, Tyrell turing 19:40, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Francis. Sorry for disturbing you, but could you please pay an attention to the actions of anonymous User:72.57.230.179 once again? He’s engaged in trolling. He created a userbox that calls for incorporation of Azerbaijan into Iran and keeps adding it to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Azeri page. Could you please explain to him that such actions are not appropriate at Wikipedia? I tried, but with no success. Grandmaster 12:01, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Consensus for who. Read my user page. I am a member of that page and I want that user box there. They have a userbox that only one person uses on it!!! Look at the lame excuses he gave me. Look at the discussion between user:Grandmaster and Telex. I am sorry, but I want to deal with another administrator. DSo not take this the wrong way, but you are a little to cushy with these two users. They can not silence dissending voices. And when it comes to a project page it is a whole new ball game. I can even prove that user:Grandmaster is insincer and gaming the system and manipulating the administration. Also please warn user:Grandmaster about his threats.
72.57.230.179
This is outrageous. How much longer are these users going to be allowed to treat other editos and members like this or gang up on them. Look at their outlandish claims. I am sorry but that userbox is good. 72.57.230.179
Hi, Francis, I've been reading through your coursework, and I think it's biased. Why (amongst others) do you say in the footnote that the usage of the name Republic of Macedonia is controversial, "fortunately" only in Greece? Also, on a more interesting subject, you are quoting Tomić and he says that the phrase I have read the book in Albanian is
I can't understand that phrase. As far as I know, in standard Albanian, that phrase is:
In Arvanitika, it's almost identical:
So, what is it supposed to be, does he say? -- Telex 13:30, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
How do you mean my contribution doesn't make sense? All I did was grammatical corrections and only one change in the first paragraph. MatriX 14:39, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok, sorry for being a little bit nervous, but I was really unpleasantly surprised when I opened Macedonian language and saw all my edits reverted (I hate being reverted:)). I know that you are valuable editor of the Macedonian articles. About the arrival of Slavs, I still stay at my opinion that they came here in big amount because they succeeded to populate many areas of the Balkans permanently, to siege many Byzantium towns, castles and villages etc (I don’t have info about the real numbers, maybe nobody knows it). About the use of derogative terms in the terminology article, by my opinion they aren’t appropriate there, but if the majority of the editors find them good (I hadn’t time to check who inserted them at all) then maybe we could leave them. MatriX 15:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Have you checked this one out? [15] (I copied the title and I'm to lazy to lowercase it, in case you're thinking I'm shouting). I must admit, this site does have a lot of partisan articles, but it also has quite a lot relevant documents. /FunkyFly.talk_ 21:35, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Ah, the respected Kronsteiner, nobody understands the Bulgarian language better than him! -- FlavrSavr 22:26, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey Francis. There's a vandalism problem in Talk:Ancient Macedonian language. I removed an anon's edit which contained a clear personal attack as per WP:NPA, and now the anon keeps restoring it and removing my own edits for no reason (which falls under simple vandalism). Miskin 23:01, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Nevermind, he played it tough in the beginning but he finally decided to follow the rules. He rewrote his edit in a civil manner, though his edit-summary contained another attack, this time directly only to me. Miskin 23:09, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Francis, do you think that when you finish with the "Macedonian" language, you could focus on the Greek language. I've long thought that article's a mess, and needs restructuring. -- Telex 14:24, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I think I can help. Will you let me? Mr.EditConflict
I will RfA today concerning all the things that have been happening in the Armenian Genocide article and its talk page for the last few months and the people involved and I thought you would want to give your input about it as a thrid party. Fad (ix) 17:00, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I have brought the sources used from other Wiki page(s). It is what you asked for and I added it into the article. WHat do you think? Fair. I don't want them deleting it and making more excuses so please take a look before their is another edit war. 72.57.230.179
Go to both talk: Music of Azarbaijan and the actual article. ALso please look at the edit history for the article. This is what has me worked up. There is proof there that user:Grandmaster is not editing correctly. See what he states in the edit history. It is a short edit history and so is the little article. Please look and get back to me becuase I do not want an edit war where it is him and his friends vs. me. 72.57.230.179
You know what user:Grandmaster was delete my work saying citations were needed but all the sections claiming Azaris are Turks needed citations for a very long period of time now and he never bothered to give verfications is this not double standards? Take a look at the article. This is outrageous I just realized it. 72.57.230.179
Hi, Francis.
I'll see what I can do, I'm rather busy nowadays... Bomac 08:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
done:) MatriX 16:16, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Please visit [17] and weigh in! NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 18:00, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Can the same formula be applied for Turkic claims as was for Iranian ethnicity?! The same formula; peer-reviewed, reliable sources that state that "Azerbaijanis are racially Turkic". Giving the citation, a link, and information to support the assertion. The claims that Azaris are Turkic never were varified and were on the article for ages, while the links to Iranians was verified. 72.57.230.179
You know, one day, I decided to open an account and edit mkwiki. It was nice at first, I made the article on "Aegean" Macedonia more neutral, for example, I added the fact that it can also be called "Greek Macedonia", I replaced the old FYROM flag (which I have no idea why it was there in the first place - it even had a caption saying "the national flag of the Macedonian people"), with the flag of Greek Macedonia and the Greek Macedonians (and said so in the caption accordingly), and I even referred to the place as a province of Greece and mentioned the irredentist ambitions Macedonian Slav nationalists have against the predominantly Greek populated province. Well, I was reverted by a user who amongst numerous personal attacks in the edit summary, he screamed DEATH TO GREEKS. I feel upset now :-( -- Telex 14:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Can you please look at this case, it was skipped for some reason. Thanks. /FunkyFly.talk_ 18:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to interrupt, but I think you should see this: Macedonia. (if you like, ofcourse). Regards, Bomac 11:58, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I advice you vandalism and personal attack of user Zivan56: you can see here [18]! My rollback after vandalism because my share is certainlly NPOV! This user is against me and i consider him a vandal! Needs block for him!-- PIO 18:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I expected your respond yesterday. Well I think that as an administrator it is you obligation :), but you know the best. I'll wait..--- >>> <<< 23:24, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
What do you think of this little issue we have here? /FunkyFly.talk_ 01:29, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Please do read this [19]. There was a consensus version of this article worked out by Modi, VMORO and me, until Funky step in, and destroyed it without citing any source for his edits, purely on the basis of original research and stubborn POVing (although, at some point he seemed to agree with the compromise version [20] ). This was done in numerous other articles concerning Macedonian history, one of them being Jane Sandanski. Please investigate the matter. Regards. -- FlavrSavr 02:06, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to discuss the points surrounding this on an IRC or email enviorment w/o interference from 3rd parties... would you be interested? -- Cat out 18:08, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
I am still waiting for that IRC convo... :) -- Cat out 18:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Could you see my new article United Macedonia and comment. Thanks. -- Telex 22:55, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Out of adminophobia, I will not dare to revert you, but can you please source your edit that Goce Delchev is an ethnic Macedonian? /FunkyFly.talk_ 23:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, you are giving British 0-100 scores, I'm talking about American 0-100 scores and their correspondence with letter grades. /FunkyFly.talk_ 23:55, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi Francis. I’m giving up on the article about Sumgait. The guys simply don’t want to listen and insist on using the Armenian source that has a strong bias. It’s enough to see the advertisement from the website of Zoryan institute, which compiled the book. For example, it says: These events marked the beginning of a premeditated plan to depopulate Azerbaijan of Armenians, and eventually of Russians and Jews. [21] For the record, there’s not single proof of the existence of such a plan and currently hundreds of thousands Russians and Jews live in Azerbaijan. It’s simply a lie. It’s obvious that the book they want to base their article on is a partisan source. So I’m leaving the discussion, because I see no reason in endlessly going around in circles, but I’m going to keep the disputed tag on the article until the article is brought in compliance with NPOV standards. Regards, Grandmaster 14:10, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I've done a little and written User:Telex/Ethnic identity in Greece. As you're the expert in such matters, could you please comment. Thanks. -- Telex 14:19, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I have no choice but to ask from you to mediate or offer your opinion in Talk:Saints Cyril and Methodius, concerning tag-vandalism, wp:cite and NPOV. Regards. Miskin 17:31, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the message. What's the right license for free to copy, distribute, display, and perform the work, free to make derivative works and free to make commercial use of the work by Attribution? CoYep 15:04, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
If we find images tagged with a free license, are we supposed to check that the license is valid? CoYep 15:26, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Alright, then what do you recommend? IMO the article isn't complete without a picture of Marley. We can't use the album cover, and you say the new one is fishy, so what you think about this one Image:Kinsgton Bob Marley statue.jpg ? Not the best, but maybe it will do until we find a better solution. CoYep 15:39, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I tought you might help here Macedonism.-- Vlatko 21:13, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I think the tag on the Sumgait article does not comply with the article. The tag states that the article "does not rely on primary sources" which is completely false, it relies on everything but reports by the media. I don't think it should remain so since GM's claims do not extend to articles that are on even shakier ground than Sumgait's, which is confirmed by a plethora of witnesses. See here for example March Massacre; GM edited that article twice yet never attached that tag even though its only source was a parliamentary official from Azerbaijan itself and no proof whatsoever was provided to substantiate his claims.-- MarshallBagramyan 17:16, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
What I meant was not that the entire articles's info was coming from the book that Grandmaster was uncomfortable in using, but that their statements come from witnesses. I have used three different sources on that article and I'm going to eventually abstain from using Shamuratian's book when their claims become less controversial; whether they be from the New York Times or the Washington Post. Secondary sources are being used and will be used more extensively but I think its important to shed light on the events that were obviously, intentionally hidden by the media. Many Soviet reporters at that time complained of the media's quietness during and after the massacre because most people were finding out about by word of mouth. Don't worry, I'll be sure to include at least half a dozen sources from reputable newspapers alone. Regards-- MarshallBagramyan 02:40, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey Francis,
Could you please semi-protect Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922)? Some anon keeps adding strong POV into the article, thanks. — Khoikhoi 21:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I saw the outcome but can't really make heads or tails of it because I don't understand the languages. I could read Cyrillic version somewhat - there are many letters not used in Cyrillic-writing languages I am familiar with (Serbian, Macedonian, Russian) so its kinda hard...
-- Aleksandar Šušnjar 16:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Please see Goce Delchev. -- FlavrSavr 17:17, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
I suppose you was there and talked with him. Really, you are saying like you've been and talked with him. Bomac 17:50, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Certainly not. According to many of his quotes (not to mention deeds), he is Macedonian. Bomac 17:55, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
You protected Greco-Turkish War (1919-1922) can you do the same with my user page? Please do so. Thank you. -- Preacher, or Princelet 18:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Even CheckUser didn't say it's Bonaparte. So fuck off Khoikhoi, go away! See here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_CheckUser#Greier -- Preacher, or Princelet 18:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Since you are one of the founding parties of this conspiracy of an article against balkan people in general (:-)) kindly "throw it an eye-lash" (ask room-mate what that means...) I added notes, subscript arrows, and text in the geography section. NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 21:56, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Francis. I started a new article: Slavic language (Greece), to deal with the language, the self-described Slavophone Greeks speak. I used articles such as Vlach language (Serbia) and Moldovan language as my inspiration - (names for) languages which are not recognized by mainstream linguistics, but seem to be perceived as such by the people who speak them and the state in which they are spoken (after all, the 1951 census recorded speakers of Slavic, not Macedonian or Bulgarian). I'm writing this here, because I know everyone's got this page on their watchlist. I just started Wikipedia:Macedonian Wikipedians' notice board, so I'm thinking we could get everyone to add that to their watchlists, and transfer the role of your talk page to there ;-) -- Telex 18:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, a made tis article greater skopje, but I make mestakes with writting :-), could you make corections, thax. Vlatko 21:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Please keep an eye on Azari and the talk:Azari. I have started the following in the discussion.
It has been ages since these citations have not been verified. Verification is needed. If not delete the material. the amount of time granted has been generious. The Azaris Iranian background has been verified through various scientific and academic sources, but the Turkic claim has not. The only think that has been verified is the Turkic langauge. 72.57.230.179
Hi Francis. Here’s another non-partisan source about Sumgait. Please have a look when you have time:
The Nagorny Karabakh conflict: origins, dynamics and misperceptions
Grandmaster 12:47, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm anxious to know your atitude about the statements in the articles about the controversal ancectry of the revolutionares like Jane Sandanski, Goce Delchev, Pitu Guli... There they are stated only as Bulgarian (reagrded as such in Bulgaria), and after that it stays that they are regarded in RoM as Macedonians. Where is hear the consensual wikipedia? I sugest you to tell to User:FunkyFly to reconsider his actions and I expect you to change the statements to Macedonian or Bulgarian<<< (We should create an article about) in order to keep wikipedia's neutrality policy. Thanx and please answer me on my user page. -- Vlatko 15:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
There's too much censorship around here [24]. This is not the Socialist Republic of Macedonia, where dissenting voices to the official version of history disappear, is it? Please reassure me. -- Telex 15:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
BTW Francis, can you do something about permabanned Bonaparte ( talk · contribs · block log)'s open proxy anon sockpuppets over at Vlach language (Serbia) and Vlachs. Thanks. -- Telex 17:45, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed that you are trying to implement the WP:USER policy on some Macedonian editors' user pages. If you need any help, (for example, if someone compares you with Goebbels), please contact me, I'll be glad to assist. It's really time to remove these strange mutating borders and bad colour management from Wikipedia. There are many ways, other than Wikipedia, to express their own political attitudes. Еби ја границата! :P -- FlavrSavr 08:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
P.S. Have you received the e-mail I've sent you? -- FlavrSavr 08:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I dont understand it guys, a user page is a private page, a page about someone's own mind and interests, we dont force you to look our pages!, so this tekst of flavrsavr above is based on nothing, only because you dont agree with my/our political views, and because you dont want a united country? there are also many users who have this, not only "macedonians", so please drop your actions or be more specific. -- Makedonia 09:24, 1 June 2006 (UTC) Rano e uste za ebanje na granici!
is this version gooD? i think you are wrong on this, but ok, i will show my good will and dont want any problems.its good you arent warning just macedonians, but others too, however, there are many many users with the same sort of thing, or you do it with all, or you dont do it AT all. -- Makedonia 14:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
ok i will, i think this version is good, if it must i am ready to make more changes, can the box stay wich i am stating my support for a united macedonia? i mean there are many boxes for united albania or supporting independency of palestina etc. -- Makedonia 14:57, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
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