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I noticed your post on Stanley Kubrick. No discussion until September, did you see? It's kafkaesque, but that's how Wikipedia sometimes is. If you can suffer that, please stay and contribute, but check out my talk: arguing about infoboxes is a certain waste of time. (Having said so: if you have patience for some years, there may be change. I tried adding infoboxes for operas in 2013, and although there was strong opposition, all major operas have them now.) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:32, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
I wrote the above after reading the first line of your post. I read it all now, and two more things emphasized from the top of that page: Assume good faith (always!), Be polite (always!). Repeating: please sign your posts. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:41, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
And yes, I'm sure it was a waste of time, but it at least brought me some catharsis. I set an alert to come back in September, so I'll see you then. Fragglestomp ( talk) 17:21, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
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Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:55, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Fragglestomp, I am sorry to see you blocked. Late reply to your March post: no, I know nothing about the Kubrick discussion. I have no time for such things, taking care of articles of people who recently died. How about finding something else to do here? You could add infoboxes to the articles that LouisAlain translates, - how is that? Willi Brokmeier. (He sends me thank-you-clicks for adding them.) - I managed not to post in Mozart discussions (although I care), and you could manage to ignore Kubrick, I am sure. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:00, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
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21:55, 1 September 2021 (UTC)Fragglestomp ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
I was supposedly blocked for being an "obvious sock" and bringing up the lack of an infobox on Stanley Kubrick's page. Well this is truly my only Wikipedia account, and I have never been sanctioned before now. As soon as rules regarding infoboxes were conveyed to me in March, I obeyed them completely. As such, I don't agree that I or my account can be accurately described as a sockpuppet. I don't tend to make other edits, but that doesn't preclude me from participating in discussions on this particular topic. Furthermore, the warning against discussions on infoboxes at the top of the Stanley Kubrick talk page very clearly states that the ban is in effect until September 2021. Thus, in addition to being perfectly civil, my comment asking whether a new discussion could be opened is allowed under the rules as of September 1, 2021. I even included an apology in case I was raising the topic in the wrong way. I made clear that I was intending to follow the rules, and no attempt was made to communicate any possible misunderstandings on my part before banning me. This banning was completely frivolous and done hastily. Fragglestomp ( talk) 22:17, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
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I don't think it matters all that much whether you're a sock puppet or not. You've made two substantial edits to Wikipedia, and one of them was obvious trolling. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 05:28, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
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I've been notified that I've been reviewed. Does this mean another administrator already settled the matter? I'm still blocked from editing every page. Fragglestomp ( talk) 19:06, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
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As I have tried to make clear in several other conversations on this page, I have no intention of violating rules further. I never vandalized a page. I did, however, make one childish comment on a talk page out of frustration. I regret doing so. That was 6 months ago. I have done nothing even remotely wrong since then. I've have spent a substantial amount of time in the past week trying to convince administrators that I intend to be a civil and obedient Wikipedian going forth. It was clearly a one-time incident. Thank you for your consideration. Fragglestomp ( talk) 23:29, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Your first edit with this account was the comment that you say was based in frustration; this does not convince me that you will not become frustrated again in the future; please tell how you will handle future frustration, which happens to all of us. I am declining your request. 331dot ( talk) 08:18, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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Please see this section of my talk page to read my response to a question posed by the prior administrator who declined my unblock request. My reasons to be unblocked are found therein, as well as in multiple other threads on my talk page. To summarize briefly, I made one vitriolic comment on a talk page back in March. I regret it, apologize for it, and affirm that I will not repeat that behavior. I was then blocked for that comment only after I made a (perfectly civil) comment on the first of this month. I have since repeatedly tried to demonstrate my good intentions going forward. I am being completely sincere, but I'm not sure what else I need to say to convince you of that. Ultimately, it is your judgement call. You can't read my mind. But consider this: even if I actually were just spending all this time trying to deceive you, the worst I could inflict would be another childish comment that gets me permanently blocked. It just doesn't make sense that someone would do that when they could simply create another throwaway to accomplish the same. Please, somebody, give me a second chance. Hear my earnestness. Fragglestomp ( talk) 01:46, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Procedural decline only. This unblock request has been open for more than two weeks but has not proven sufficient for any reviewing administrator to take action. You are welcome to request a new block review if you substantially reword your request. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that
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Not sure if anyone will even see this, but what do I do now? Is this block permanent? That would seem to be rather uncharitable given the guidelines on duration of blocks. The reviewing administrator claims that I made two "substantial" edits, but that's a mischaracterization. I made one comment on a talk page and replied to someone's reply to that comment with a "Thank you." Both were more than 5 months before I was blocked, with no other infractions in the meantime. On the contrary, my first edit (to a talk page) following those initial edits was quite plainly trying to earnestly abide by the rules. I have never vandalized an actual article, and I never would. I have expressed in the clearest possible terms my intention to obey Wikipedia policy going forward. Fragglestomp ( talk) 22:12, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
I submitted a second unblock request last week. How long is this supposed to take? Can I get any sort of updates about it? Is there anything I could do to speed along the process? As a demonstration of my desire to contribute meaningfully to Wikipedia, I'll share a (small) edit I would make if I weren't blocked: add Terry Albury to the alumni section of the Berea College page. Fragglestomp ( talk) 05:34, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
It's hard to know specifically what I will do next time I'm frustrated as that isn't really how human emotion works; I don't know what the next cause of my frustration will be or what the broader context will be. One thing I can affirm is that I will not handle any frustration by making an unproductive comment on Wikipedia. I created this account as a throwaway, more or less, just so I could vent my frustration about a particular issue in a moment of sheer shock. But my intentions have changed, as has my ability to be shocked by what I see here. As I've made clear repeatedly, I wish to actually participate meaningfully on Wikipedia. That's why I keep spending my time fighting this ban, not so that I can make a similar comment again. If that's all I wanted to do (repeating myself again here), I would just make another throwaway account from another IP. But I'm not going to do that. And just look at all the hoops I'm having to jump through to get you to reinstate my editing privileges. This is not the behavior you'd expect of somebody who intends to use their account for vitriolic purposes, knowing full well that it would simply result in an immediate (and next time probably irreversible) block. If there's nothing I can say that would get me unblocked, please just tell me that and stop wasting my time. There's nothing more to say. There's nothing I can do if you simply won't accept my affirmations and apology. Fragglestomp ( talk) 01:25, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
I know how poorly positioned I am to be read charitably here, so I want to word this diplomatically. I think it's important to express, and I'm blocked now anyway after having 2 unblock requests denied, so I don't see how it can hurt to try. The admin who blocked me, Floquenbeam, appears to have a habit of blocking or threatening blocks for frivolous, punitive, and/or strategic reasons. On the Kubrick talk page today, he issued a year long partial block on another user, without warning or prior discussion, for starting an RfC in a manner he considered selective. Subsequent commenters agreed this was unnecessary and that Floquenbeam was misusing his admin tools. In his defense, Floquenbeam claimed he "just doesn't see" how the supposed infraction wasn't "intentional", demonstrating the same unwillingness to admit the possibility of being wrong as he demonstrated when initially blocking me under the (now clearly false) claim that I was a sockpuppet account. He then proceeds to admit that, though he is aware that blocks aren't punitive, he wants there to be consequences - this carries with it a strong implication that the reason he initially blocked the user was to impose consequences, a.k.a. to be punitive. It's also worth noting that both my September block and today's block were in relation to the same topic (Stanley Kubrick's infobox) that Floquenbeam professes neutrality on. When he blocked me, he similarly failed to communicate or come to an understanding with me first, which is a part of the guidelines for blocking users. This gives the impression that Floquenbeam is misusing his admin tools in a strategic manner, namely to prevent consensus from being reached on adding the infobox and closing the discussion once and for all. He also made the preposterous proposal that he himself flip a coin to permanently close that debate, despite admitting himself just minutes before that a consensus was appearing to be reached on the matter. He calls himself an "uninvolved observer" but he's clearly been involved enough to impose multiple unnecessary discretionary sanctions that disrupt the conversation. It's incredibly ironic that he accuses others of making the infobox debate "as complicated and stressful as possible" when everything was indeed going just fine until he showed up with his heavy hand. How is this not considered a gross abuse of his administrator powers? This is a consistent pattern of behavior by Floquenbeam, and I hope some other administrator will look into the matter. Fragglestomp ( talk) 19:20, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Support - Because of my frivolous block, I am disallowed from contributing this to the actual talk page, but I'm pretty sure I'm still allowed to express my views here. I will be more blunt here than I would otherwise be on the actual talk page. The reasons for an infobox are apparent and have been stated countless times: it would make the page more accessible and navigable for users; the lede is too long and difficult to parse for info that users would typically find in the infobox; there is enough noncontroversial information to include in one (e.g., full name, birth and death date and location, spouses, children, burial site); it would clearly would be more in fitting with typical Wikipedia standards for prominent biographical pages; it would be more visually appealing (this is debatable, I suppose, but the page certainly looks odd to regular Wiki users); it would improve accessibility and navigability; it improves search engine optimization for the page; on and on and on, where do I stop? But the administrators there have imposed all sorts of Catch-22s that prevent the status quo from changing, despite it being fairly clear to me that most users want the infobox. For example, it's been stated that the discussion should resume again only if there are new reasons to add an infobox, but all the sufficient reasons are too obvious to have not been stated previously. It's been stated that all arguments in favor should be specifically about why Kubrick should have an infobox, despite the strongest argument probably being that there's a near-universal consensus on infoboxes for comparable figures, and all of those figures don't have a reason specific to them for their having an infobox that Kubrick lacks. It's been stated that a new consensus must be reached to change the page; that basically happened (12 supports, 0 opposed by the time an RfC was called for) and then the RfC was shut down for some unrelated subsequent technicality. It was said that discussion could resume in September 2021, and when I commented in a polite manner to do so at said time, I was instantly blocked upon a false assumption that I must be a sockpuppet. It's absurd. Admins need to quit acting like the headache is coming from anyone but themselves. They're handicapping the support side at every turn for frivolous reasons. They could allow the infobox to be added once and for all and this stupid debate would end. I guarantee you won't have the same fight to remove an infobox once it's there. The administrators responsible for this debacle should all feel ashamed. They are embarrassments to this great site, and they should be relieved of their duties by the many other, more competent administrators here. Fragglestomp ( talk) 20:13, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
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I request to be unblocked because I understand what I was blocked for - making a vitriolic comment in March 2021; because I will not continue to cause damage or disruption, or otherwise violate Wikipedia policy - as evidenced by the singular nature of my offending comment and 8 month period of good behavior since then; and because I will make useful contributions instead. In demonstration of this final point, here is a list of the various small planned edits I would have made had my account not been blocked: * Add Terry J. Albury to Berea College alumni list * Fix a typo on Killing of Muammar Gaddafi page ("while trying to flee to Nigera" --> "while trying to flee to Niger") * On Greta Morgan's page, correct discography order to old-->new, in keeping with style on other similar pages * On Tyler Cowen's page, change the link to "Marginal Revolution University" to plain text, as the link just leads back to the Cowen Wiki page itself * On An Odd Entrances page, change the Pitchfork rating to a #/# format, rather than using stars, in keeping with style on other similar pages * On Nordkapp page, translate French image caption ("Falaise du cap nord touristique") to English ("Cliff of the touristic North Cape") I want to be a contributing member of this community, and one comment on a talk page from 8 months ago should not continue to prevent me from doing that indefinitely. Fragglestomp ( talk) 05:31, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Procedural decline only. This unblock request has been open for more than two weeks but has not proven sufficient for any reviewing administrator to take action. You are welcome to request a new block review if you substantially reword your request. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that
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10:12, 18 November 2021 (UTC)@ Girth Summit: The infobox discussion at Stanley Kubrick has ended. I indicated above that I would be willing to accept a partial block on Stanley Kubrick and/or infoboxes, though even such a continued restriction should seem unnecessary at this point. I hope that my unblock has been given more consideration by now. The blocking administrator is now discussing me on his talk page and making plainly false accusations which I cannot respond to. I feel like I have gone above and beyond in terms of demonstrating my commitment to being a good, contributing Wikipedian, all in response to a single infraction limited to a talk page 8 months ago.
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This is my 4th or 5th unblock request, and none of the previous reviewing administrators have explained how my prior reasons were inadequate. I feel like I'm just restating the same obvious points again and again and being met with Kafkaesque obstinacy every time. Please please please please please actually take the time to read my talk page and previous unblock requests, and if you're going the simply reject it again, please explain to me what I could do differently in my next unblock request to better make my case. And if there's just no way any of you will ever unblock me, please just tell me that so that you stop wasting both of our time. I have explained in exhaustive detail how I understand what I did wrong, that I will not violate Wikipedia policy again, and how I will be a contributing member of Wikipedia in the future. I went so far as to cite about 10 edits I'd make. The policies on blocking and unblocking accounts seem pretty clear to me, and I feel like I've gone above and beyond in doing what is expected of a blocked account to be unblocked, and yet...nothing. Just "file another unblock request" again and again and again and again and again. It's infuriating. I think it's worth pointing out here that my initial block *falsely* claimed that I was a sockpuppet account. I should be painfully obvious by now that the initial blocking admin was WRONG. A sockpuppet doesn't spend so much time and effort just to follow the rules. Fragglestomp ( talk) 22:50, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
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Your best bet at this point is to wait a full six months since your last non-talk page edit, then apply under WP:SO. At that point, you'll want to refamiliarise yourself with WP:GAB. No unblock reviewer is going to read the entire content of this page; if you should be unblocked, you should be able to express that concisely. Yamla ( talk) 21:51, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
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@ Yamla: I am well past the 6-month mark of not editing non-talk pages already. In fact, I have *never* edited a non-talk page (though I do want to, and I have a number of edits I plan to make once unblocked), and I'm pretty sure my last edit to a talk page besides my own (this very page) was February 2021, when I made the comment on Stanley Kubrick's talk page that resulted in my being blocked. Can I request that you conduct this Standard Offer review then? To summarize my case briefly, I was blocked in February 2021 after making an inflammatory comment on the Stanley Kubrick talk page regarding his then-lack of an infobox. I have never vandalized a Wikipedia article, and I would never even consider doing so. The stated reason for my block was being a sockpuppet account. This was, and remains, untrue, and so I cannot apologize or confess to that specific allegation. My best evidence of that claim's falsity is the fact that I am continuing to pour so much effort into restoring this account, which I don't believe would be consistent with sockpuppet behavior. Regardless, I do agree that that comment was unproductive and inappropriate, and I recognize it was wrong to make. I am sorry. I will not repeat that behavior on Wikipedia, ever. I have tried to keep this brief because you suggested that length was an issue with my previous unblock requests, but I would be happy to engage with you in further detail. Please let me know how to proceed from here, whether that means contacting a different administrator to request a Standard Offer review, or providing you with more details of my case or demonstrations of my intent to be a rule-abiding, contributing Wikipedian. Please, I am doing my best and have been very patient throughout this whole process. Fragglestomp ( talk) 20:06, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
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I noticed your post on Stanley Kubrick. No discussion until September, did you see? It's kafkaesque, but that's how Wikipedia sometimes is. If you can suffer that, please stay and contribute, but check out my talk: arguing about infoboxes is a certain waste of time. (Having said so: if you have patience for some years, there may be change. I tried adding infoboxes for operas in 2013, and although there was strong opposition, all major operas have them now.) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:32, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
I wrote the above after reading the first line of your post. I read it all now, and two more things emphasized from the top of that page: Assume good faith (always!), Be polite (always!). Repeating: please sign your posts. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:41, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
And yes, I'm sure it was a waste of time, but it at least brought me some catharsis. I set an alert to come back in September, so I'll see you then. Fragglestomp ( talk) 17:21, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
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Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 11:55, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Fragglestomp, I am sorry to see you blocked. Late reply to your March post: no, I know nothing about the Kubrick discussion. I have no time for such things, taking care of articles of people who recently died. How about finding something else to do here? You could add infoboxes to the articles that LouisAlain translates, - how is that? Willi Brokmeier. (He sends me thank-you-clicks for adding them.) - I managed not to post in Mozart discussions (although I care), and you could manage to ignore Kubrick, I am sure. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:00, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
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21:55, 1 September 2021 (UTC)Fragglestomp ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
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I was supposedly blocked for being an "obvious sock" and bringing up the lack of an infobox on Stanley Kubrick's page. Well this is truly my only Wikipedia account, and I have never been sanctioned before now. As soon as rules regarding infoboxes were conveyed to me in March, I obeyed them completely. As such, I don't agree that I or my account can be accurately described as a sockpuppet. I don't tend to make other edits, but that doesn't preclude me from participating in discussions on this particular topic. Furthermore, the warning against discussions on infoboxes at the top of the Stanley Kubrick talk page very clearly states that the ban is in effect until September 2021. Thus, in addition to being perfectly civil, my comment asking whether a new discussion could be opened is allowed under the rules as of September 1, 2021. I even included an apology in case I was raising the topic in the wrong way. I made clear that I was intending to follow the rules, and no attempt was made to communicate any possible misunderstandings on my part before banning me. This banning was completely frivolous and done hastily. Fragglestomp ( talk) 22:17, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
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I don't think it matters all that much whether you're a sock puppet or not. You've made two substantial edits to Wikipedia, and one of them was obvious trolling. NinjaRobotPirate ( talk) 05:28, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
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I've been notified that I've been reviewed. Does this mean another administrator already settled the matter? I'm still blocked from editing every page. Fragglestomp ( talk) 19:06, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
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As I have tried to make clear in several other conversations on this page, I have no intention of violating rules further. I never vandalized a page. I did, however, make one childish comment on a talk page out of frustration. I regret doing so. That was 6 months ago. I have done nothing even remotely wrong since then. I've have spent a substantial amount of time in the past week trying to convince administrators that I intend to be a civil and obedient Wikipedian going forth. It was clearly a one-time incident. Thank you for your consideration. Fragglestomp ( talk) 23:29, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
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Your first edit with this account was the comment that you say was based in frustration; this does not convince me that you will not become frustrated again in the future; please tell how you will handle future frustration, which happens to all of us. I am declining your request. 331dot ( talk) 08:18, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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Please see this section of my talk page to read my response to a question posed by the prior administrator who declined my unblock request. My reasons to be unblocked are found therein, as well as in multiple other threads on my talk page. To summarize briefly, I made one vitriolic comment on a talk page back in March. I regret it, apologize for it, and affirm that I will not repeat that behavior. I was then blocked for that comment only after I made a (perfectly civil) comment on the first of this month. I have since repeatedly tried to demonstrate my good intentions going forward. I am being completely sincere, but I'm not sure what else I need to say to convince you of that. Ultimately, it is your judgement call. You can't read my mind. But consider this: even if I actually were just spending all this time trying to deceive you, the worst I could inflict would be another childish comment that gets me permanently blocked. It just doesn't make sense that someone would do that when they could simply create another throwaway to accomplish the same. Please, somebody, give me a second chance. Hear my earnestness. Fragglestomp ( talk) 01:46, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Procedural decline only. This unblock request has been open for more than two weeks but has not proven sufficient for any reviewing administrator to take action. You are welcome to request a new block review if you substantially reword your request. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that
Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information. Yamla ( talk) 10:42, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
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Not sure if anyone will even see this, but what do I do now? Is this block permanent? That would seem to be rather uncharitable given the guidelines on duration of blocks. The reviewing administrator claims that I made two "substantial" edits, but that's a mischaracterization. I made one comment on a talk page and replied to someone's reply to that comment with a "Thank you." Both were more than 5 months before I was blocked, with no other infractions in the meantime. On the contrary, my first edit (to a talk page) following those initial edits was quite plainly trying to earnestly abide by the rules. I have never vandalized an actual article, and I never would. I have expressed in the clearest possible terms my intention to obey Wikipedia policy going forward. Fragglestomp ( talk) 22:12, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
I submitted a second unblock request last week. How long is this supposed to take? Can I get any sort of updates about it? Is there anything I could do to speed along the process? As a demonstration of my desire to contribute meaningfully to Wikipedia, I'll share a (small) edit I would make if I weren't blocked: add Terry Albury to the alumni section of the Berea College page. Fragglestomp ( talk) 05:34, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
It's hard to know specifically what I will do next time I'm frustrated as that isn't really how human emotion works; I don't know what the next cause of my frustration will be or what the broader context will be. One thing I can affirm is that I will not handle any frustration by making an unproductive comment on Wikipedia. I created this account as a throwaway, more or less, just so I could vent my frustration about a particular issue in a moment of sheer shock. But my intentions have changed, as has my ability to be shocked by what I see here. As I've made clear repeatedly, I wish to actually participate meaningfully on Wikipedia. That's why I keep spending my time fighting this ban, not so that I can make a similar comment again. If that's all I wanted to do (repeating myself again here), I would just make another throwaway account from another IP. But I'm not going to do that. And just look at all the hoops I'm having to jump through to get you to reinstate my editing privileges. This is not the behavior you'd expect of somebody who intends to use their account for vitriolic purposes, knowing full well that it would simply result in an immediate (and next time probably irreversible) block. If there's nothing I can say that would get me unblocked, please just tell me that and stop wasting my time. There's nothing more to say. There's nothing I can do if you simply won't accept my affirmations and apology. Fragglestomp ( talk) 01:25, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
I know how poorly positioned I am to be read charitably here, so I want to word this diplomatically. I think it's important to express, and I'm blocked now anyway after having 2 unblock requests denied, so I don't see how it can hurt to try. The admin who blocked me, Floquenbeam, appears to have a habit of blocking or threatening blocks for frivolous, punitive, and/or strategic reasons. On the Kubrick talk page today, he issued a year long partial block on another user, without warning or prior discussion, for starting an RfC in a manner he considered selective. Subsequent commenters agreed this was unnecessary and that Floquenbeam was misusing his admin tools. In his defense, Floquenbeam claimed he "just doesn't see" how the supposed infraction wasn't "intentional", demonstrating the same unwillingness to admit the possibility of being wrong as he demonstrated when initially blocking me under the (now clearly false) claim that I was a sockpuppet account. He then proceeds to admit that, though he is aware that blocks aren't punitive, he wants there to be consequences - this carries with it a strong implication that the reason he initially blocked the user was to impose consequences, a.k.a. to be punitive. It's also worth noting that both my September block and today's block were in relation to the same topic (Stanley Kubrick's infobox) that Floquenbeam professes neutrality on. When he blocked me, he similarly failed to communicate or come to an understanding with me first, which is a part of the guidelines for blocking users. This gives the impression that Floquenbeam is misusing his admin tools in a strategic manner, namely to prevent consensus from being reached on adding the infobox and closing the discussion once and for all. He also made the preposterous proposal that he himself flip a coin to permanently close that debate, despite admitting himself just minutes before that a consensus was appearing to be reached on the matter. He calls himself an "uninvolved observer" but he's clearly been involved enough to impose multiple unnecessary discretionary sanctions that disrupt the conversation. It's incredibly ironic that he accuses others of making the infobox debate "as complicated and stressful as possible" when everything was indeed going just fine until he showed up with his heavy hand. How is this not considered a gross abuse of his administrator powers? This is a consistent pattern of behavior by Floquenbeam, and I hope some other administrator will look into the matter. Fragglestomp ( talk) 19:20, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Support - Because of my frivolous block, I am disallowed from contributing this to the actual talk page, but I'm pretty sure I'm still allowed to express my views here. I will be more blunt here than I would otherwise be on the actual talk page. The reasons for an infobox are apparent and have been stated countless times: it would make the page more accessible and navigable for users; the lede is too long and difficult to parse for info that users would typically find in the infobox; there is enough noncontroversial information to include in one (e.g., full name, birth and death date and location, spouses, children, burial site); it would clearly would be more in fitting with typical Wikipedia standards for prominent biographical pages; it would be more visually appealing (this is debatable, I suppose, but the page certainly looks odd to regular Wiki users); it would improve accessibility and navigability; it improves search engine optimization for the page; on and on and on, where do I stop? But the administrators there have imposed all sorts of Catch-22s that prevent the status quo from changing, despite it being fairly clear to me that most users want the infobox. For example, it's been stated that the discussion should resume again only if there are new reasons to add an infobox, but all the sufficient reasons are too obvious to have not been stated previously. It's been stated that all arguments in favor should be specifically about why Kubrick should have an infobox, despite the strongest argument probably being that there's a near-universal consensus on infoboxes for comparable figures, and all of those figures don't have a reason specific to them for their having an infobox that Kubrick lacks. It's been stated that a new consensus must be reached to change the page; that basically happened (12 supports, 0 opposed by the time an RfC was called for) and then the RfC was shut down for some unrelated subsequent technicality. It was said that discussion could resume in September 2021, and when I commented in a polite manner to do so at said time, I was instantly blocked upon a false assumption that I must be a sockpuppet. It's absurd. Admins need to quit acting like the headache is coming from anyone but themselves. They're handicapping the support side at every turn for frivolous reasons. They could allow the infobox to be added once and for all and this stupid debate would end. I guarantee you won't have the same fight to remove an infobox once it's there. The administrators responsible for this debacle should all feel ashamed. They are embarrassments to this great site, and they should be relieved of their duties by the many other, more competent administrators here. Fragglestomp ( talk) 20:13, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Fragglestomp ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
I request to be unblocked because I understand what I was blocked for - making a vitriolic comment in March 2021; because I will not continue to cause damage or disruption, or otherwise violate Wikipedia policy - as evidenced by the singular nature of my offending comment and 8 month period of good behavior since then; and because I will make useful contributions instead. In demonstration of this final point, here is a list of the various small planned edits I would have made had my account not been blocked: * Add Terry J. Albury to Berea College alumni list * Fix a typo on Killing of Muammar Gaddafi page ("while trying to flee to Nigera" --> "while trying to flee to Niger") * On Greta Morgan's page, correct discography order to old-->new, in keeping with style on other similar pages * On Tyler Cowen's page, change the link to "Marginal Revolution University" to plain text, as the link just leads back to the Cowen Wiki page itself * On An Odd Entrances page, change the Pitchfork rating to a #/# format, rather than using stars, in keeping with style on other similar pages * On Nordkapp page, translate French image caption ("Falaise du cap nord touristique") to English ("Cliff of the touristic North Cape") I want to be a contributing member of this community, and one comment on a talk page from 8 months ago should not continue to prevent me from doing that indefinitely. Fragglestomp ( talk) 05:31, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Procedural decline only. This unblock request has been open for more than two weeks but has not proven sufficient for any reviewing administrator to take action. You are welcome to request a new block review if you substantially reword your request. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that
Please read the guide to appealing blocks for more information. Yamla ( talk) 14:13, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
{{reply to|<username>}}
where you replace <username> with the user's username, without the User: prefix. As long as you sign your comment this will send a notification to the person. Topic bans can be appealed at the Administrator's noticeboard (
WP:AN). If this is done under arbitration enforcement related to the infoboxes case
WP:ARBINFOBOX/
WP:ARBINFOBOX2 you can also appeal at either the arbitration enforcement noticeboard (
WP:AE) or to the imposing administrator. There will normally be a minimum time period before an appeal will be considered, usually 6 months. Hope this helps,
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10:12, 18 November 2021 (UTC)@ Girth Summit: The infobox discussion at Stanley Kubrick has ended. I indicated above that I would be willing to accept a partial block on Stanley Kubrick and/or infoboxes, though even such a continued restriction should seem unnecessary at this point. I hope that my unblock has been given more consideration by now. The blocking administrator is now discussing me on his talk page and making plainly false accusations which I cannot respond to. I feel like I have gone above and beyond in terms of demonstrating my commitment to being a good, contributing Wikipedian, all in response to a single infraction limited to a talk page 8 months ago.
Fragglestomp ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
This is my 4th or 5th unblock request, and none of the previous reviewing administrators have explained how my prior reasons were inadequate. I feel like I'm just restating the same obvious points again and again and being met with Kafkaesque obstinacy every time. Please please please please please actually take the time to read my talk page and previous unblock requests, and if you're going the simply reject it again, please explain to me what I could do differently in my next unblock request to better make my case. And if there's just no way any of you will ever unblock me, please just tell me that so that you stop wasting both of our time. I have explained in exhaustive detail how I understand what I did wrong, that I will not violate Wikipedia policy again, and how I will be a contributing member of Wikipedia in the future. I went so far as to cite about 10 edits I'd make. The policies on blocking and unblocking accounts seem pretty clear to me, and I feel like I've gone above and beyond in doing what is expected of a blocked account to be unblocked, and yet...nothing. Just "file another unblock request" again and again and again and again and again. It's infuriating. I think it's worth pointing out here that my initial block *falsely* claimed that I was a sockpuppet account. I should be painfully obvious by now that the initial blocking admin was WRONG. A sockpuppet doesn't spend so much time and effort just to follow the rules. Fragglestomp ( talk) 22:50, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Your best bet at this point is to wait a full six months since your last non-talk page edit, then apply under WP:SO. At that point, you'll want to refamiliarise yourself with WP:GAB. No unblock reviewer is going to read the entire content of this page; if you should be unblocked, you should be able to express that concisely. Yamla ( talk) 21:51, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
@ Yamla: I am well past the 6-month mark of not editing non-talk pages already. In fact, I have *never* edited a non-talk page (though I do want to, and I have a number of edits I plan to make once unblocked), and I'm pretty sure my last edit to a talk page besides my own (this very page) was February 2021, when I made the comment on Stanley Kubrick's talk page that resulted in my being blocked. Can I request that you conduct this Standard Offer review then? To summarize my case briefly, I was blocked in February 2021 after making an inflammatory comment on the Stanley Kubrick talk page regarding his then-lack of an infobox. I have never vandalized a Wikipedia article, and I would never even consider doing so. The stated reason for my block was being a sockpuppet account. This was, and remains, untrue, and so I cannot apologize or confess to that specific allegation. My best evidence of that claim's falsity is the fact that I am continuing to pour so much effort into restoring this account, which I don't believe would be consistent with sockpuppet behavior. Regardless, I do agree that that comment was unproductive and inappropriate, and I recognize it was wrong to make. I am sorry. I will not repeat that behavior on Wikipedia, ever. I have tried to keep this brief because you suggested that length was an issue with my previous unblock requests, but I would be happy to engage with you in further detail. Please let me know how to proceed from here, whether that means contacting a different administrator to request a Standard Offer review, or providing you with more details of my case or demonstrations of my intent to be a rule-abiding, contributing Wikipedian. Please, I am doing my best and have been very patient throughout this whole process. Fragglestomp ( talk) 20:06, 21 February 2022 (UTC)