I am sick of the inconsistencies here! Take a look at the differences between Barton Ministry and Fourth Howard Ministry. Even First Howard Ministry, Second Howard Ministry, Third Howard Ministry and Fourth Howard Ministry are not set out exactly the same. I have fixed the first ten years of 19xx in Australia. Auroranorth 13:08, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
see Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians'_notice_board#Appropriate_categorisation_-_should_there_be_.27Category:Schools_in_city.27 Paul foord 01:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Might be worth keeping an eye on this one. Orderinchaos 04:19, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't want to make you look silly, but your service award isn't entirely true. You have served on Wikipedia for less than a year ( [1]), therefore you're only eligible for the Journeyman editor award. On 21 November you can go up one level. See here. Sorry! Auroranorth 14:23, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey Twenty Years, Thanks! There are a couple of things I want to fix up before its put up for GA. Will do it now. Cheers! Loopla 07:46, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Template:AusEd has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Rocket000 03:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Well done! You have served out your probation period and can now create as many new pages as you like (within reason)! On 1 November you and I will be powering up WikiProject Education in Australia and the education articles will skyrocket. My probation ends soon and I will be voting on XfD, RfA, anything I like in the project namespace. You can get rid of all those sandboxes now! Well done again, and good luck! Auroranorth 12:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
ExtraDry has ignored your advice on David Scott (headmaster), in regards "forced" [2] , and his latest edit suggests he may start to replicate his overly long Industrial Relations Dispute page there. When the David Scott info appeared on the Newington College page you removed it as schoolcruft [3] but haven't taken offence to it as an article. Your interest in this page would be appreciated and may help to avert the usual trouble. I'm staying well clear of it but would be pleased if the page could be improved. As for Headmasters in general your about face [4] on John Waterhouse (headmaster) [5] [6] suggests that you no longer think of them as cruft. If this is the case, is it possible to develop a policy on this so we don't have to go through all this again with every headmaster. Maybe your thoughts on William Henry Williams might help to build this. [7] Oh, and given your conversion on Waterhouse should this decision be revised. [8] I'm not having a go at you on this but I'm looking for consistancy and I'm asking you because of your prior involvement and excellent work with other schools. Your opinions seem to be respected by the community and so would carry weight on these issues. Thanks Mitchplusone 11:03, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Apparently, it exists, if someone is 'opposed' to it. [10] Auroranorth 12:01, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi 20yrs, I have noticed that you're on a bit of a roll with Afd-ing schools. Looking through the articles most of them should never have been here, deserve to be circular filed and you're doing well cleaning up the dross. I'm disagreeing on Gladesville as it's old enough unlike many schools has book(s) about it (yeah they may be self published) ... and I reckon that a good article can result. I think I'll lose this one but thankfully the article is so short there's nothing useful that'll be lost. Happy editing - Peripitus (Talk) 00:33, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
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I'll join - if there are only the four of you active in the project, you might need help. Thanks! Jame§ ugrono Contributions 08:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Yay. You've joined the bands of WP:WA members taking Wikibreaks. Auroranorth 11:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your feedback on the list. I've expanded the history section based on your comment. It's not done, but please tell me what you think of the coverage so far (it covers up to the industrial revolution). I look forward to your reply. The Transhumanist 01:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
White space is filled. The Transhumanist 02:14, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Twenty Years, I was just wondering if you wouldn't mind giving us your opinion on the silly alumni list issue at Talk:Fort Street High School#List of alumni. I did a clean-up and made additions to the alumni list, including fixing headings for ToC concerns, putting the headings in some kind of order, putting alumni in alphabetical order, adding refs etc and it has been mostly referted by a user who believes that headings should be in order of notability, so Politics is more notable than science, which is more notable than Business etc. In my opinion it now looks sloppy and ToC is too long, but I dont want to break the 3 revert rule. I may be wrong (although I don't think so haha), so I think we need a third opinion as nobody is going to win this one. Thanks for your time! Loopla 13:27, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I have not breached WP:NPA. Please point out the precise details of your claim. If you are unclear about what WP:NPA entails, I suggest you read over the page carefully, particularly the bits about what is not a personal attack.
I will remove your groundless accusation from my talk page. If you wish to post the message again, please attach particulars so that I may have the opportunity to refute your claims (if indeed they are groundless as I believe), or reform my behaviour as the case may be.
Again, I advise you not to threaten other users with talk of "the community" or groundless threats of blocks. Neither you nor I speak for the community, and my advice to you is to stay on issue and address the content dispute as such.
Further, I would advise you to curtail such hypocrisy when you openly use offensive language on a talk page. Yes, "fuck" is offensive language even when you replace two of the letters with symbols, my friend. Please cease and desist. Regards, -- PalaceGuard008 ( Talk) 14:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
You've jumped the gun with your comments on the St Mark's talk page. I actually reverted an edit Yeti Hunter made to a paragraph that you, me, ABVS1936 and Yeti Hunter had reached a consensus with months ago. Please get your facts right before threatening to block me. Username nought 07:10, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Your objections have been addressed. The Transhumanist 07:22, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
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The entirety of that statement was factual. Was the arrangement stable for a long time? Yes it was. Did Loopla change the arrangement? Yes he did. Did his change disturb the arrangement, leading to instability? Yes it did.
You may see nothing wrong with swearing on talk pages - and I have no objection in principle to swearing in appropriate situations - but responding with swearing when you are met with hostile but ratinoal arguments is a cop-out. It's bad form to resort to emotive language of any kind - including swearing - simply because you can't answer arguments. In this case, if you did not wish to debate any further, you could simply have posted "I do not wish to debate any further. I have asked Wikiproject Schools to comment." Cheers, -- PalaceGuard008 ( Talk) 23:27, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
{{ helpme}}. Hey, ive added the help me template to my talk page because i need help with an AfD ive started. Its the second nomination, and ive gone wrong somewhere, here is the link: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brunswick South Primary School (2nd nomination)
Hi. (In my POV), "nn" seems a strange reason/justification for deleting this section. It also seems (to me) to be a somewhat subjective judgement. In my POV, the section is interesting and/or informative - notability isn't a relevant criterion here. For example, how/why is the "House system" section notable? (I don't think it is notable). However, I do NOT think the "House system" section should be deleted, and given that you haven't deleted that section, I gather that you also do not think it should be deleted. In other words, I don't follow your reasoning. Perhaps you can enlighten me? Thanks (in anticipation of your enlightening reply). Cheers, Pdfpdf 07:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Mmmmm. Very interesting, and yes, I am now enlightened as to your POV. Thank you. I'm not sure where to go from here. I guess my response is something like: "Well yes, but ... "
So what? As I said above, "I'm not sure where to go from here". (My primary interest was to understand your reasoning, which I now do. As for me, I don't really have any strong opinion on the subject either way, but I do find it's inclusion informative ...). I shall leave it in your hands. Again, thanks for the explanation. Cheers, Pdfpdf 15:41, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Personally, i just monitor the article for vandalism - Largely, so do I, but occasionally I get the uncontrollable urge to "improve" things. (Yes, I know, I need to get a life.) definately worth a look - Thanks. Will do. Cheers, Pdfpdf 15:53, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Tomorrow's the big day! Auroranorth ( sign) 09:06, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello - I notice you have been doing work on school deletions for a long time. While I agree some do need to be deleted as articles in themselves, Wikipedia does have a policy of merging articles like this that don't deserve their own article into the local area. Can I ask that you ask to merge and redirect all these school articles (or whatever is retrievable from them), or at least have a sentence added to their local area articles indicating that the school exists, instead of outrightly deleting them and doing nothing about it? As someone who has been cleaning up after your deletions, I'd certainly appreciate you and others putting in the extra minute's effort and doing some additions to the local area article. (Please reply here, not at my talk page.) JRG 09:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Twenty Years, I noticed that you had commented at one of the FACs. Welcome - we can always use more reviewers! You posted directly under User:Leranedo and used his format of "Pass and support." Just so you know, that is not the accepted format, and several of us have been trying to explain this to Leranedo. The guideline wants us all to use "Support" or "Oppose" so there isn't any confusion. Adding "Pass" (or "Reject", as Leranedo also does), can confuse people who are new to the process and make them think that the discussion is over. If you have any questions, let me know. Thanks! Karanacs 15:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your suggestions. As you can see, I've attempted to act on them by replacing 'keep' with 'comment'. Eyedubya 15:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
I recall that in an earlier discussion we had you said something like "Primary Schools are generally nn". However, I see that about 50% of the List of schools in South Australia is red links to Primary Schools. Have you got any knowledge about the rationale behind this? Thanks, Pdfpdf 16:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
(P.S. I only spotted one blue link to a Primary School, ( Woodend Primary School), and that's a redirect to the "Schools" sub-section of the suburb it's in, but I digress ... ) Pdfpdf 16:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
That sounds logical/sensible/reasonable. Pdfpdf 16:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
With reference to your comments on the Brunswick Primary School deletion debate, could I please suggest you review the wikipedia article on Primary source and the similar one on Secondary source. Note that in the definition of a primary source the wikipedia article states (correctly in my view) that: It refers to creation by the primary players, and is distinguished from a secondary source, which in historical scholarship is a work, such as a scholarly book or article, built from primary sources. The book referenced in the Brunswick Primary School article would be asecondary source - there is no circumstance in my view under which it could be classified as a primary source. -- Golden Wattle talk 02:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Twenty Years. While I generally share your ideas on the notability of primary schools, it may be worth assessing the manner that you use when listing the articles for deletion. Notability of schools is a contentious issue where it is possible for two people of good will to disagree. While you haven't been abusive or uncivil, sometimes it is better to leave others comments to stand unchallenged, especially where they have expressed a matter of opinion rather than fact. Getting others' backs up is only likely to encourage them to dig their heels in. Have some faith in the ability of the closing administrator to sort through arguments and come up with a reasonable conclusion and remember at the end of the day it isn't life and death if some non-notable articles are kept. Cheers, Mattinbgn\ talk 03:21, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I am sick of the inconsistencies here! Take a look at the differences between Barton Ministry and Fourth Howard Ministry. Even First Howard Ministry, Second Howard Ministry, Third Howard Ministry and Fourth Howard Ministry are not set out exactly the same. I have fixed the first ten years of 19xx in Australia. Auroranorth 13:08, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
see Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians'_notice_board#Appropriate_categorisation_-_should_there_be_.27Category:Schools_in_city.27 Paul foord 01:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Might be worth keeping an eye on this one. Orderinchaos 04:19, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't want to make you look silly, but your service award isn't entirely true. You have served on Wikipedia for less than a year ( [1]), therefore you're only eligible for the Journeyman editor award. On 21 November you can go up one level. See here. Sorry! Auroranorth 14:23, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey Twenty Years, Thanks! There are a couple of things I want to fix up before its put up for GA. Will do it now. Cheers! Loopla 07:46, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Template:AusEd has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Rocket000 03:56, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
Well done! You have served out your probation period and can now create as many new pages as you like (within reason)! On 1 November you and I will be powering up WikiProject Education in Australia and the education articles will skyrocket. My probation ends soon and I will be voting on XfD, RfA, anything I like in the project namespace. You can get rid of all those sandboxes now! Well done again, and good luck! Auroranorth 12:31, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
ExtraDry has ignored your advice on David Scott (headmaster), in regards "forced" [2] , and his latest edit suggests he may start to replicate his overly long Industrial Relations Dispute page there. When the David Scott info appeared on the Newington College page you removed it as schoolcruft [3] but haven't taken offence to it as an article. Your interest in this page would be appreciated and may help to avert the usual trouble. I'm staying well clear of it but would be pleased if the page could be improved. As for Headmasters in general your about face [4] on John Waterhouse (headmaster) [5] [6] suggests that you no longer think of them as cruft. If this is the case, is it possible to develop a policy on this so we don't have to go through all this again with every headmaster. Maybe your thoughts on William Henry Williams might help to build this. [7] Oh, and given your conversion on Waterhouse should this decision be revised. [8] I'm not having a go at you on this but I'm looking for consistancy and I'm asking you because of your prior involvement and excellent work with other schools. Your opinions seem to be respected by the community and so would carry weight on these issues. Thanks Mitchplusone 11:03, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Apparently, it exists, if someone is 'opposed' to it. [10] Auroranorth 12:01, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi 20yrs, I have noticed that you're on a bit of a roll with Afd-ing schools. Looking through the articles most of them should never have been here, deserve to be circular filed and you're doing well cleaning up the dross. I'm disagreeing on Gladesville as it's old enough unlike many schools has book(s) about it (yeah they may be self published) ... and I reckon that a good article can result. I think I'll lose this one but thankfully the article is so short there's nothing useful that'll be lost. Happy editing - Peripitus (Talk) 00:33, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
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I'll join - if there are only the four of you active in the project, you might need help. Thanks! Jame§ ugrono Contributions 08:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Yay. You've joined the bands of WP:WA members taking Wikibreaks. Auroranorth 11:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your feedback on the list. I've expanded the history section based on your comment. It's not done, but please tell me what you think of the coverage so far (it covers up to the industrial revolution). I look forward to your reply. The Transhumanist 01:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
White space is filled. The Transhumanist 02:14, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Twenty Years, I was just wondering if you wouldn't mind giving us your opinion on the silly alumni list issue at Talk:Fort Street High School#List of alumni. I did a clean-up and made additions to the alumni list, including fixing headings for ToC concerns, putting the headings in some kind of order, putting alumni in alphabetical order, adding refs etc and it has been mostly referted by a user who believes that headings should be in order of notability, so Politics is more notable than science, which is more notable than Business etc. In my opinion it now looks sloppy and ToC is too long, but I dont want to break the 3 revert rule. I may be wrong (although I don't think so haha), so I think we need a third opinion as nobody is going to win this one. Thanks for your time! Loopla 13:27, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
I have not breached WP:NPA. Please point out the precise details of your claim. If you are unclear about what WP:NPA entails, I suggest you read over the page carefully, particularly the bits about what is not a personal attack.
I will remove your groundless accusation from my talk page. If you wish to post the message again, please attach particulars so that I may have the opportunity to refute your claims (if indeed they are groundless as I believe), or reform my behaviour as the case may be.
Again, I advise you not to threaten other users with talk of "the community" or groundless threats of blocks. Neither you nor I speak for the community, and my advice to you is to stay on issue and address the content dispute as such.
Further, I would advise you to curtail such hypocrisy when you openly use offensive language on a talk page. Yes, "fuck" is offensive language even when you replace two of the letters with symbols, my friend. Please cease and desist. Regards, -- PalaceGuard008 ( Talk) 14:28, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
You've jumped the gun with your comments on the St Mark's talk page. I actually reverted an edit Yeti Hunter made to a paragraph that you, me, ABVS1936 and Yeti Hunter had reached a consensus with months ago. Please get your facts right before threatening to block me. Username nought 07:10, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
Your objections have been addressed. The Transhumanist 07:22, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
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The entirety of that statement was factual. Was the arrangement stable for a long time? Yes it was. Did Loopla change the arrangement? Yes he did. Did his change disturb the arrangement, leading to instability? Yes it did.
You may see nothing wrong with swearing on talk pages - and I have no objection in principle to swearing in appropriate situations - but responding with swearing when you are met with hostile but ratinoal arguments is a cop-out. It's bad form to resort to emotive language of any kind - including swearing - simply because you can't answer arguments. In this case, if you did not wish to debate any further, you could simply have posted "I do not wish to debate any further. I have asked Wikiproject Schools to comment." Cheers, -- PalaceGuard008 ( Talk) 23:27, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
{{ helpme}}. Hey, ive added the help me template to my talk page because i need help with an AfD ive started. Its the second nomination, and ive gone wrong somewhere, here is the link: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brunswick South Primary School (2nd nomination)
Hi. (In my POV), "nn" seems a strange reason/justification for deleting this section. It also seems (to me) to be a somewhat subjective judgement. In my POV, the section is interesting and/or informative - notability isn't a relevant criterion here. For example, how/why is the "House system" section notable? (I don't think it is notable). However, I do NOT think the "House system" section should be deleted, and given that you haven't deleted that section, I gather that you also do not think it should be deleted. In other words, I don't follow your reasoning. Perhaps you can enlighten me? Thanks (in anticipation of your enlightening reply). Cheers, Pdfpdf 07:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Mmmmm. Very interesting, and yes, I am now enlightened as to your POV. Thank you. I'm not sure where to go from here. I guess my response is something like: "Well yes, but ... "
So what? As I said above, "I'm not sure where to go from here". (My primary interest was to understand your reasoning, which I now do. As for me, I don't really have any strong opinion on the subject either way, but I do find it's inclusion informative ...). I shall leave it in your hands. Again, thanks for the explanation. Cheers, Pdfpdf 15:41, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Personally, i just monitor the article for vandalism - Largely, so do I, but occasionally I get the uncontrollable urge to "improve" things. (Yes, I know, I need to get a life.) definately worth a look - Thanks. Will do. Cheers, Pdfpdf 15:53, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Tomorrow's the big day! Auroranorth ( sign) 09:06, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello - I notice you have been doing work on school deletions for a long time. While I agree some do need to be deleted as articles in themselves, Wikipedia does have a policy of merging articles like this that don't deserve their own article into the local area. Can I ask that you ask to merge and redirect all these school articles (or whatever is retrievable from them), or at least have a sentence added to their local area articles indicating that the school exists, instead of outrightly deleting them and doing nothing about it? As someone who has been cleaning up after your deletions, I'd certainly appreciate you and others putting in the extra minute's effort and doing some additions to the local area article. (Please reply here, not at my talk page.) JRG 09:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi Twenty Years, I noticed that you had commented at one of the FACs. Welcome - we can always use more reviewers! You posted directly under User:Leranedo and used his format of "Pass and support." Just so you know, that is not the accepted format, and several of us have been trying to explain this to Leranedo. The guideline wants us all to use "Support" or "Oppose" so there isn't any confusion. Adding "Pass" (or "Reject", as Leranedo also does), can confuse people who are new to the process and make them think that the discussion is over. If you have any questions, let me know. Thanks! Karanacs 15:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your suggestions. As you can see, I've attempted to act on them by replacing 'keep' with 'comment'. Eyedubya 15:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
I recall that in an earlier discussion we had you said something like "Primary Schools are generally nn". However, I see that about 50% of the List of schools in South Australia is red links to Primary Schools. Have you got any knowledge about the rationale behind this? Thanks, Pdfpdf 16:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
(P.S. I only spotted one blue link to a Primary School, ( Woodend Primary School), and that's a redirect to the "Schools" sub-section of the suburb it's in, but I digress ... ) Pdfpdf 16:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
That sounds logical/sensible/reasonable. Pdfpdf 16:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
With reference to your comments on the Brunswick Primary School deletion debate, could I please suggest you review the wikipedia article on Primary source and the similar one on Secondary source. Note that in the definition of a primary source the wikipedia article states (correctly in my view) that: It refers to creation by the primary players, and is distinguished from a secondary source, which in historical scholarship is a work, such as a scholarly book or article, built from primary sources. The book referenced in the Brunswick Primary School article would be asecondary source - there is no circumstance in my view under which it could be classified as a primary source. -- Golden Wattle talk 02:54, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi Twenty Years. While I generally share your ideas on the notability of primary schools, it may be worth assessing the manner that you use when listing the articles for deletion. Notability of schools is a contentious issue where it is possible for two people of good will to disagree. While you haven't been abusive or uncivil, sometimes it is better to leave others comments to stand unchallenged, especially where they have expressed a matter of opinion rather than fact. Getting others' backs up is only likely to encourage them to dig their heels in. Have some faith in the ability of the closing administrator to sort through arguments and come up with a reasonable conclusion and remember at the end of the day it isn't life and death if some non-notable articles are kept. Cheers, Mattinbgn\ talk 03:21, 1 November 2007 (UTC)