@ Francis Schonken: Hello, before I go any further on the Prem Rawat page, I need to understand why you are acting the way you are. I had followed a process recommended by Wikipedia, allowing consensus to be reached before making a change. You have allowed yourself to intervene directly, without respecting this collaborative working method, which seems important to me to reintroduce into this work, too many editorial battles that have led to the present result.
Will you at least agree with me that this biography is anachronistic in 2021 and needs updating, for the sake of neutrality of point of view and respect for a living person? I would also like to have your opinion on what I put forward in conclusion and which synthesizes what I have developed in other posts, namely that Prem Rawat has evolved over the years, not to be hide or hide the culpable activities to which he would indulge, but quite simply because he had to acquire experience in front of the handicaps which were his on his arrival in the West: youth, cultural gap, supported mainly by the counter-culture of at the time, an innovative approach on the scale where it had the ambition to intervene.
Please enlighten me on your motivations and your level of knowledge of the subject. You seem more versed in music. We have one thing in common, knowing that I am more focused on contemporary music of all styles (jazz, blues, rock, newage, ethnic…). -- Faunus ( talk) 10:54, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
FYI. Butwhatdoiknow ( talk) 15:08, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
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I don't really know how to avoid this kind of editorial war, when the discussions are biased and my interlocutor uses the Wikipedia rules as a pretext to block me, while he himself happily breaks free from them. -- Faunus ( talk) 00:01, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Note: Francis Schonken has now been banned from Wikipedia for behavior such as you document above. Butwhatdoiknow ( talk) 00:44, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
I have moved the different sections regarding observations, analyzes and new sources available regarding the Prem Rawat page on my User page so that they don't get mixed up with the discussions going on here.-- Faunus ( talk) 17:25, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
You must have already have seen this, but just in case:
This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.
You have shown interest in Prem Rawat. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.
For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.
Restoring disputed content to an article, after an explicit request to discuss it on the relevant talk page is generally inadvisable. Doing so with an edit summary stating "please don't start an edit war" [1] is more so. And doing so in relation to an article subject to discretionary sanctions (which you must surely have been fully aware of) is definitely not a good look. I suggest you revert, and comply with a simple request to discuss the matter in the appropriate place. If you fail to do so, I may feel obliged to take the matter up elsewhere - where your entirely inappropriate use of the article talk page as a blog/forum will also be raised, along with your partisan editing, stonewalling, and refusal to acknowledge Wikipedia's requirements for appropriate sourcing and neutrality according to external sources. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 20:25, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
Please see my comment here: [2]. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 18:37, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
@ Francis Schonken: Hello, before I go any further on the Prem Rawat page, I need to understand why you are acting the way you are. I had followed a process recommended by Wikipedia, allowing consensus to be reached before making a change. You have allowed yourself to intervene directly, without respecting this collaborative working method, which seems important to me to reintroduce into this work, too many editorial battles that have led to the present result.
Will you at least agree with me that this biography is anachronistic in 2021 and needs updating, for the sake of neutrality of point of view and respect for a living person? I would also like to have your opinion on what I put forward in conclusion and which synthesizes what I have developed in other posts, namely that Prem Rawat has evolved over the years, not to be hide or hide the culpable activities to which he would indulge, but quite simply because he had to acquire experience in front of the handicaps which were his on his arrival in the West: youth, cultural gap, supported mainly by the counter-culture of at the time, an innovative approach on the scale where it had the ambition to intervene.
Please enlighten me on your motivations and your level of knowledge of the subject. You seem more versed in music. We have one thing in common, knowing that I am more focused on contemporary music of all styles (jazz, blues, rock, newage, ethnic…). -- Faunus ( talk) 10:54, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
FYI. Butwhatdoiknow ( talk) 15:08, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
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I don't really know how to avoid this kind of editorial war, when the discussions are biased and my interlocutor uses the Wikipedia rules as a pretext to block me, while he himself happily breaks free from them. -- Faunus ( talk) 00:01, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Note: Francis Schonken has now been banned from Wikipedia for behavior such as you document above. Butwhatdoiknow ( talk) 00:44, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
I have moved the different sections regarding observations, analyzes and new sources available regarding the Prem Rawat page on my User page so that they don't get mixed up with the discussions going on here.-- Faunus ( talk) 17:25, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
You must have already have seen this, but just in case:
This is a standard message to notify contributors about an administrative ruling in effect. It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date.
You have shown interest in Prem Rawat. Due to past disruption in this topic area, a more stringent set of rules called discretionary sanctions is in effect. Any administrator may impose sanctions on editors who do not strictly follow Wikipedia's policies, or the page-specific restrictions, when making edits related to the topic.
For additional information, please see the guidance on discretionary sanctions and the Arbitration Committee's decision here. If you have any questions, or any doubts regarding what edits are appropriate, you are welcome to discuss them with me or any other editor.
Restoring disputed content to an article, after an explicit request to discuss it on the relevant talk page is generally inadvisable. Doing so with an edit summary stating "please don't start an edit war" [1] is more so. And doing so in relation to an article subject to discretionary sanctions (which you must surely have been fully aware of) is definitely not a good look. I suggest you revert, and comply with a simple request to discuss the matter in the appropriate place. If you fail to do so, I may feel obliged to take the matter up elsewhere - where your entirely inappropriate use of the article talk page as a blog/forum will also be raised, along with your partisan editing, stonewalling, and refusal to acknowledge Wikipedia's requirements for appropriate sourcing and neutrality according to external sources. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 20:25, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
Please see my comment here: [2]. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 18:37, 20 July 2021 (UTC)