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Farsi is a useful synonym for Modern Persian language that does see use in English language sources, and is listed in the OED as an English word. The problem is that "Persian" is ambiguous because of its associations with ancient Persia, i.e. it may refer to Old Persian or Middle Persian just as much as Modern Persian. Your comparison with français etc. is a bit disingenious, since these are not in actual use. "Farsi" has a status similar to " Hindi", " Urdu", " Kazakh", " Bengali", " Telugu", " Hausa", " Tagalog", and any number of other languages. To be fair, however, the OED also cites opposition to "Farsi",
and I do not insist on using "Farsi" at all, Modern Persian language is perfectly correct; just Persian otoh is a little ambiguous, but alright if the context is clear. dab (𒁳) 16:38, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for quoting from the APLL. Their last point is ludicrous, and quickly dispelled by a 1-second Google-Scholar Search, that shows thousands of scholarly papers using "Farsi". [1] Is anyone surprised that an institution with the word "Persian" in its title would privilege this usage? *sheesh*
Your recent edits seem to be a clear cut example of disrupting wikipedia to make a point (see Wikipedia:POINT). If you do not stop disrupting the work of wikipedia to make your point you may face administrative consequences. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 16:15, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the user above. In particular, blanket, high-speed reverting of people who disagree with your changes is considered disruptive, and can result in a block to stop the disruption. I see above that you have warned about this even some months ago, so you cannot be unaware that others consider this editing disruptive. Please stop. — Gavia immer ( talk) 16:42, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
This is about the changes you made to the List of languages by name article. I agree with you (and that Persian Academy) that "Farsi" is to be avoided in English (and German, French, etc.) texts. And I also switched to saying "Persian" quite some time ago, as do my colleagues in Linguistics. But this is a different case here. The article lists – next to the official or most common name – any names of languages, that are also more or less widely used and that are likely to be heard, regardless of its political correctness. Your counterexample of "Suomi" doesn't work, because "Suomi" isn't used in English (or German, French, etc.), but "Farsi" is (though, not as commonly as "Persian"). A better comparison would be "Sakha" vs. "Yakut". People searching the list for Farsi should be able to find it. Furthermore, this is not an English text, but a list of languages, along with their alternative names, if they should be used ot not. So your claims are clearly invalid for this very article. Please accept that. — N-true ( talk) 18:39, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
FWIW I use Farsi to describe the language of Iran, and Persian to mean the people/culture of Persia. Always have done, and won't change. — Nicholas ( reply) @ 16:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Every couple of months someone comes along and decides to change every reference to Farsi to Persian.
I am not aware of any wiki policy to back up this wholescale change. But, even if there were a policy to back it up, it would remain a mistake to make this change in quoted material.
You have been making this change in quoted material. Please be more careful. Geo Swan ( talk) 21:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello and thank you for your suggestion of WikiTimeLine for en.wikipedia.org and fa.wikipedia.org. Yes, I am the author and I have already replied at bugzilla. I will give you and the people and wikimedia my full support and hope I can be of enough help to get WikiTimeLine (or better said: an improved version of it) to run on wikipedia. ColdCase ( talk) 09:10, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
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Welcome!
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And don't forget, the edit summary is your friend. :) – Oleg Alexandrov ( talk) 15:56, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
When editing an article on Wikipedia there is a small field labeled " Edit summary" under the main edit-box. It looks like this:
The text written here will appear on the Recent changes page, in the page revision history, on the diff page, and in the watchlists of users who are watching that article. See m:Help:Edit summary for full information on this feature.
Filling in the edit summary field greatly helps your fellow contributors in understanding what you changed, so please always fill in the edit summary field, especially for big edits or when you are making subtle but important changes, like changing dates or numbers. Thank you. – Oleg Alexandrov ( talk) 14:49, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
Farsi is a useful synonym for Modern Persian language that does see use in English language sources, and is listed in the OED as an English word. The problem is that "Persian" is ambiguous because of its associations with ancient Persia, i.e. it may refer to Old Persian or Middle Persian just as much as Modern Persian. Your comparison with français etc. is a bit disingenious, since these are not in actual use. "Farsi" has a status similar to " Hindi", " Urdu", " Kazakh", " Bengali", " Telugu", " Hausa", " Tagalog", and any number of other languages. To be fair, however, the OED also cites opposition to "Farsi",
and I do not insist on using "Farsi" at all, Modern Persian language is perfectly correct; just Persian otoh is a little ambiguous, but alright if the context is clear. dab (𒁳) 16:38, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for quoting from the APLL. Their last point is ludicrous, and quickly dispelled by a 1-second Google-Scholar Search, that shows thousands of scholarly papers using "Farsi". [1] Is anyone surprised that an institution with the word "Persian" in its title would privilege this usage? *sheesh*
Your recent edits seem to be a clear cut example of disrupting wikipedia to make a point (see Wikipedia:POINT). If you do not stop disrupting the work of wikipedia to make your point you may face administrative consequences. ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 16:15, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the user above. In particular, blanket, high-speed reverting of people who disagree with your changes is considered disruptive, and can result in a block to stop the disruption. I see above that you have warned about this even some months ago, so you cannot be unaware that others consider this editing disruptive. Please stop. — Gavia immer ( talk) 16:42, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
This is about the changes you made to the List of languages by name article. I agree with you (and that Persian Academy) that "Farsi" is to be avoided in English (and German, French, etc.) texts. And I also switched to saying "Persian" quite some time ago, as do my colleagues in Linguistics. But this is a different case here. The article lists – next to the official or most common name – any names of languages, that are also more or less widely used and that are likely to be heard, regardless of its political correctness. Your counterexample of "Suomi" doesn't work, because "Suomi" isn't used in English (or German, French, etc.), but "Farsi" is (though, not as commonly as "Persian"). A better comparison would be "Sakha" vs. "Yakut". People searching the list for Farsi should be able to find it. Furthermore, this is not an English text, but a list of languages, along with their alternative names, if they should be used ot not. So your claims are clearly invalid for this very article. Please accept that. — N-true ( talk) 18:39, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
FWIW I use Farsi to describe the language of Iran, and Persian to mean the people/culture of Persia. Always have done, and won't change. — Nicholas ( reply) @ 16:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Every couple of months someone comes along and decides to change every reference to Farsi to Persian.
I am not aware of any wiki policy to back up this wholescale change. But, even if there were a policy to back it up, it would remain a mistake to make this change in quoted material.
You have been making this change in quoted material. Please be more careful. Geo Swan ( talk) 21:40, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello and thank you for your suggestion of WikiTimeLine for en.wikipedia.org and fa.wikipedia.org. Yes, I am the author and I have already replied at bugzilla. I will give you and the people and wikimedia my full support and hope I can be of enough help to get WikiTimeLine (or better said: an improved version of it) to run on wikipedia. ColdCase ( talk) 09:10, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
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