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I have added a new entry at Talk:Habib R. Sulemani#Let me try a different tack.. Please read. — iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 21:32, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)
Ah, why did you (seemingly) make a copy of the Vladimir Nabokov article at Vladimir Nobokov? I'm puzzled.... Noel (talk) 22:43, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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I like your text about the IJT's role in violence, etc. (I pretty much agree with you.) However, we'll need to state it in more neutral langugage, so no one can say "That's a POV; I am taking it out." — iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 21:27, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
Hi FactFinder. I've listed Marilynne Robinson at Wikipedia:Copyright problems, since it was copied straight from [1]. Cheers, dbenbenn | talk 00:25, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Why did you create Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman when you already had Mir Shakil ur Rehman? Where do you want the article? / up+land 15:00, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Due to the continous vandlism of User:Truth aspirant-- the article Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman has become a ‘business-propaganda-feature’ rather an ‘encyclopedic article.’ Just see history of the article [[ Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman and Talk:Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman page--You are requested to take intrest in this serious editorial issue and make things straight in this global phenomena (Wikipedia). Thanx. Wiki4u
The ‘critical’ portion of this article is again included to make it a balanced article...this is not a ‘business-profile’ of Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman...plz help to make it an ‘encyclopedic article.’ Thanks. Wiki4u
In 1998 the Pakistani government of prime minister Nawaz Sharif took action against Mir Shakil on charges of tax theft but soon it refrained from its position. Conspiracy theorists believe that Mir Shakil’s Jang Group has also a rule I the removal of the Nawaz government in the very next year, 1999. There have been a number of accusations and controversies about Mir Shakil and his Jang Group:
Media analysts say that Mir Shakil always plays from behind the scene. He very rarely publishes his own activities as news or feature items. No one in the country can dare to publish or telecast something about him-- He is very choosy about other persons as well. He very rarely goes to the public meetings and is not a social animal rather a ‘moneymaker’ in each and every situation. His late father recognized his intelligence and therefore he succeeded him after his death in 1992. Amazingly he prefers the projection of his elder son, Mir Ibrahim Rahman known as MIR, (CEO of GEO TV), to some extent in the media. Among Mir Shakil's employees are the best people available in Pakistan. His business is spreading around the world by leaps and bounds.
Mir Shakil is trying his best to bring peace in the South Asian region, especially between Pakistan and India. During a business tour of India, he said, "India’s positive image due to its films, TV--Musharraf has opened up business opportunities, media; Indo-Pak film-makers must not demonise RAW, ISI; Yash Chopra’s brand means wholesome entertainment..." [2]
The user Truth aspirant is vandelizing Wikipedia and surprisingly accuses other serious users of this moral crime like some media-guys in Pakistan.—This uncivilized user is using different names and is not giving space to the other side of the story—like the Pakistani press—thus this article has become a busness-projection propoganda compaign not a balanced encyclopedic article. This may be to ‘satisfy his personal grudges’ or make happy his employer-- My school fellows think this user may be a leacky-employe of Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman or who knows he may be furios himself of this global-free media—anyhow the user/s should keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a publication of the Jang Group but is a property of all human being—and it shows us the true face of the world. Please let us make this article a balanced one with its positive as wel as negative aspects. Remember: Wikipedians reserve the right to sue YOU!
I've added {{cleanup-tone}} to this article because it reads like a cross between a CV and a magazine article about the chap. Itjust doesn't read like an encyclopaedia article. Also some words/links need wikifying. Also I think the chronology is wrong in places - unsure about this. -- SGBailey 16:29:56, 2005-09-02 (UTC)
Truth Aspirant is just a truth aspirant but what else can a "school boy" think - he has a certain limited level to think beyond.
Truth Aspirant cannot see anyone misusing Wikipedia for satisfying his personal yet malicious grumblings and we, the Wikipedians will not spare such a culprit - yes we will sue them for using Wikipedia for the malevolence.
Please keep Wikipedia free of revengefulness, not making it a tool for satisfying your personal frustrations and spleens with people of our own country - what the rest of world will think about people like you? Think broadmindedly! Pessimists harm not only others but also themselves.
Wikipedia is not meant for publicising and propagating false and self created accusations. So, please don't appropriate Wikipedia to your advantage. I think people should have the right to sue those maligners who are abusing the power of Wikipedia by writing GIGO literature to defame the people of their own country.
If they have frustration about anything, they should choose some other ways like bloggin or discussion forums to vent it. These people have set some targets for maligning at Wikipedia and this can easily be seen by looking at their "Contributions" which are very prcisely targetted and they are maligning those targetted entries in Wikipedia to talk only ill of their targets. I repeat they are NOT contributing to Wikipedia but doing something else!
Had they been sincere they'd have critcised all entries of the country giving balanced opinion but they are helpless and can't attain the level of this maturity.
[Note: And yes.... Truth Aspirant is self-employed]
SGBailey. Well said.
Dear SGBailey: First of all I appreciate your presence at Wikipedia as you seem to be the last hope to stop the worsening of this artcle and consequently Wikipedia by users like User:Wiki4u|Wiki4u and some other anonymous.
The response was not addressed to you and there was some confusion. Rather it was for those people who were abusing Wikipedia on the other hand, you are enhancing it and letting it grow in the right direction.
Wikipedia is happening every second - it's a phenomena that's going on because millions are involoved in it. However, it must be monitored to save it from biased entries and comments in its content.
I totally agree that there's a lot of margin for improvement in the said article to give it the flavour of encyclopedia article rather than going to either of the extremes. I hope that someone will come up and will change the tone of this article to be truly balanced and encyclopedic. However, what Wiki4u and some others are adding is only negative propaganda and not based on facts probably due to their personal issues with the said person. Please review their contributions and if found guilty please recommend a ban on them.
I hope that my response clears the misunderstanding that was created between you and me. My earlier response wasn't for you.
Thanks.
Due to the continous vandlism of User:Truth aspirant the article Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman has become a business-propaganda-feature rather an encyclopedic article. Just see history of the article [[ Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman and Talk:Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman page--You are requested to take intrest in this serious editorial issue and make things straight in this global phenomena (Wikipedia). Wiki4u
Hi, FactFinder. I was adding blue links to the article Pakistan Federal Union of Journalists, and I noticed it was uncited. According to its history, you have provided almost all of the info in the article, so can you provide some references? Thanx.-- The i kiro id ( talk parler hablar paroli 说 話し parlar) 02:38, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
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I have added a new entry at Talk:Habib R. Sulemani#Let me try a different tack.. Please read. — iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 21:32, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)
Ah, why did you (seemingly) make a copy of the Vladimir Nabokov article at Vladimir Nobokov? I'm puzzled.... Noel (talk) 22:43, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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I like your text about the IJT's role in violence, etc. (I pretty much agree with you.) However, we'll need to state it in more neutral langugage, so no one can say "That's a POV; I am taking it out." — iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 21:27, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
Hi FactFinder. I've listed Marilynne Robinson at Wikipedia:Copyright problems, since it was copied straight from [1]. Cheers, dbenbenn | talk 00:25, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Why did you create Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman when you already had Mir Shakil ur Rehman? Where do you want the article? / up+land 15:00, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Due to the continous vandlism of User:Truth aspirant-- the article Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman has become a ‘business-propaganda-feature’ rather an ‘encyclopedic article.’ Just see history of the article [[ Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman and Talk:Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman page--You are requested to take intrest in this serious editorial issue and make things straight in this global phenomena (Wikipedia). Thanx. Wiki4u
The ‘critical’ portion of this article is again included to make it a balanced article...this is not a ‘business-profile’ of Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman...plz help to make it an ‘encyclopedic article.’ Thanks. Wiki4u
In 1998 the Pakistani government of prime minister Nawaz Sharif took action against Mir Shakil on charges of tax theft but soon it refrained from its position. Conspiracy theorists believe that Mir Shakil’s Jang Group has also a rule I the removal of the Nawaz government in the very next year, 1999. There have been a number of accusations and controversies about Mir Shakil and his Jang Group:
Media analysts say that Mir Shakil always plays from behind the scene. He very rarely publishes his own activities as news or feature items. No one in the country can dare to publish or telecast something about him-- He is very choosy about other persons as well. He very rarely goes to the public meetings and is not a social animal rather a ‘moneymaker’ in each and every situation. His late father recognized his intelligence and therefore he succeeded him after his death in 1992. Amazingly he prefers the projection of his elder son, Mir Ibrahim Rahman known as MIR, (CEO of GEO TV), to some extent in the media. Among Mir Shakil's employees are the best people available in Pakistan. His business is spreading around the world by leaps and bounds.
Mir Shakil is trying his best to bring peace in the South Asian region, especially between Pakistan and India. During a business tour of India, he said, "India’s positive image due to its films, TV--Musharraf has opened up business opportunities, media; Indo-Pak film-makers must not demonise RAW, ISI; Yash Chopra’s brand means wholesome entertainment..." [2]
The user Truth aspirant is vandelizing Wikipedia and surprisingly accuses other serious users of this moral crime like some media-guys in Pakistan.—This uncivilized user is using different names and is not giving space to the other side of the story—like the Pakistani press—thus this article has become a busness-projection propoganda compaign not a balanced encyclopedic article. This may be to ‘satisfy his personal grudges’ or make happy his employer-- My school fellows think this user may be a leacky-employe of Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman or who knows he may be furios himself of this global-free media—anyhow the user/s should keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a publication of the Jang Group but is a property of all human being—and it shows us the true face of the world. Please let us make this article a balanced one with its positive as wel as negative aspects. Remember: Wikipedians reserve the right to sue YOU!
I've added {{cleanup-tone}} to this article because it reads like a cross between a CV and a magazine article about the chap. Itjust doesn't read like an encyclopaedia article. Also some words/links need wikifying. Also I think the chronology is wrong in places - unsure about this. -- SGBailey 16:29:56, 2005-09-02 (UTC)
Truth Aspirant is just a truth aspirant but what else can a "school boy" think - he has a certain limited level to think beyond.
Truth Aspirant cannot see anyone misusing Wikipedia for satisfying his personal yet malicious grumblings and we, the Wikipedians will not spare such a culprit - yes we will sue them for using Wikipedia for the malevolence.
Please keep Wikipedia free of revengefulness, not making it a tool for satisfying your personal frustrations and spleens with people of our own country - what the rest of world will think about people like you? Think broadmindedly! Pessimists harm not only others but also themselves.
Wikipedia is not meant for publicising and propagating false and self created accusations. So, please don't appropriate Wikipedia to your advantage. I think people should have the right to sue those maligners who are abusing the power of Wikipedia by writing GIGO literature to defame the people of their own country.
If they have frustration about anything, they should choose some other ways like bloggin or discussion forums to vent it. These people have set some targets for maligning at Wikipedia and this can easily be seen by looking at their "Contributions" which are very prcisely targetted and they are maligning those targetted entries in Wikipedia to talk only ill of their targets. I repeat they are NOT contributing to Wikipedia but doing something else!
Had they been sincere they'd have critcised all entries of the country giving balanced opinion but they are helpless and can't attain the level of this maturity.
[Note: And yes.... Truth Aspirant is self-employed]
SGBailey. Well said.
Dear SGBailey: First of all I appreciate your presence at Wikipedia as you seem to be the last hope to stop the worsening of this artcle and consequently Wikipedia by users like User:Wiki4u|Wiki4u and some other anonymous.
The response was not addressed to you and there was some confusion. Rather it was for those people who were abusing Wikipedia on the other hand, you are enhancing it and letting it grow in the right direction.
Wikipedia is happening every second - it's a phenomena that's going on because millions are involoved in it. However, it must be monitored to save it from biased entries and comments in its content.
I totally agree that there's a lot of margin for improvement in the said article to give it the flavour of encyclopedia article rather than going to either of the extremes. I hope that someone will come up and will change the tone of this article to be truly balanced and encyclopedic. However, what Wiki4u and some others are adding is only negative propaganda and not based on facts probably due to their personal issues with the said person. Please review their contributions and if found guilty please recommend a ban on them.
I hope that my response clears the misunderstanding that was created between you and me. My earlier response wasn't for you.
Thanks.
Due to the continous vandlism of User:Truth aspirant the article Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman has become a business-propaganda-feature rather an encyclopedic article. Just see history of the article [[ Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman and Talk:Mir Shakil-ur-Rahman page--You are requested to take intrest in this serious editorial issue and make things straight in this global phenomena (Wikipedia). Wiki4u
Hi, FactFinder. I was adding blue links to the article Pakistan Federal Union of Journalists, and I noticed it was uncited. According to its history, you have provided almost all of the info in the article, so can you provide some references? Thanx.-- The i kiro id ( talk parler hablar paroli 说 話し parlar) 02:38, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
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