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Sorry I failed to clarify my point. As someone else has pointed out "doesn't count" means that our policy allowing one use of a non-free article does nto apply to sandbox articles. Sandbox articles should not have such an image.-- SPhilbrick (Talk) 21:12, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
You need to provide sources talking about the subject of the article..... see WP:42 for the hard headed summary. Lots of references to sources not directly about the subject will not help. Regards, Ariconte ( talk) 20:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
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I don't wish to continue this discussion at the Teahouse, since that is supposed to be an especially friendly and helpful place. You characterized the editor's "only" goals as negative. I was trying to give a more well rounded view. I do not support ignoring the problematic aspects of his behavior. He has been blocked by administrators quite a few times, and I have never once criticized such blocks or defended the bad behavior. In my own small way, I have tried to encourage moderation of his behavior, and do appreciate the help he gave me on one of my articles. Until such time as the Wikipedia community decides to ban this editor, we have to encourage his good work and discourage his outbursts. This is a difficult challenge, but confronting him in broad public venues is pretty much guaranteed to fail, in my opinion. Best regards to you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi Cullen328, (FYI, I'm bringing Eric into the conversation because I have nothing to hide and I'd rather see this resolved than have it linger.) I appreciate your advice and time and I agree with your not wanting to continue the conversation in the public Teahouse, as my goal was to learn how to reward someone who I believe was a solid representation of what WP is and should always be. I agree with you and others that Eric's portfolio is pretty impressive and I've stated, openly and more than once, that I feel that because of his portfolio I think there's a tremendous amount to learn from him. I still believe this. Some of my questions at the Teahouse are about understanding and learning how to deal with some of the politics and nonsense that goes on when you're trying to be productive. I feel that asking and getting answers to such questions in the Teahouse is important because, if I'm dealing with these things, then we know other people are dealing with such things, too, and I believe the proper ways for dealing with them are invaluable for everyone.
For clarity, I'd like to point out that within a few short paragraphs of questioning Eric for facts to support his statements on particular areas of a given article, I've gotten responses from him like:
Now, I'm new pretty new to all of this on WP and I'm trying to understand all of the policies and politics that go on, here, but the above would seem to be violations of the Wikipedia:Civility pillar. And, that last response even seems to get into a violation of WP policies on Wikipedia:Ownership of articles, which state there is no ownership. And remember, all of this was while trying to understand things, to see if or how things should/could be changed.
Please let me be very clear, I'm not out to cause trouble for Eric or anyone. And, I'm certainly not out to get him or anyone banned. I'm trying to learn and contribute, and where people have helped me I've been openly grateful and appreciative about it. And, in all of my questioning or discussions, you'll see that I try my best to use manners, always trying to use words like "please," "kindly," "respectfully," "thank you," and "my best."
Anyhow, thanks again for your help. -- FGuerino ( talk) 19:21, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
@
Eric, Continuing from above, I'd like to make it clear that I'm not out to cause you any grief or trouble and my questions were all about the article(s). However, I'm not a pushover, either. So, if you don't like my asking you to provide facts in order to support your statements about articles, so that I may better understand things like your positions, I don't know what else to tell you as doing so is a normal means of getting to resolution. However, if you choose to take an abusive, uncivil, and an unprofessional stance with me, please know that I'm not going to back down (however, I will always try my best to be civil about things). If, on the other hand, you want to help me learn, understand, and improve things in a productive manner, I promise you that I'm all ears and would always be very grateful for your help.
My Best, -- FGuerino ( talk) 19:21, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Your suggestion might get the editor warned as it wasn't very specific. Editors can certainly delete from their own talk pages but doing that on any other talk page without creating an archive page will likely get a warning. -- NeilN talk to me 00:34, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Greetings, I saw at Teahouse you were asking about AFC; did you mean to submit User:FGuerino/Information technology industry? It is not yet submitted, so if you want it considered at AFC you have to hit the "Submit" button in the sandbox template at the top. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 20:45, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Hey F. I've completed the copyedit. I must tell you that your task is, I think, to simplify, source everything that can be sourced and remove everything that can't. I've edited the words used to give a level playing field, but it reads to some extent like an essay, and though as I've said I know very little about the marketing and formal classification of the IT industry, so I can't say for sure, parts have the feel of
original research. By the way, if I might impose on you one grammar/writing style tip, as it's something you do a lot and is an impulse you can easily learn to recognize and consciously curb: Whenever you are going to use past tense, and you start writing "would" followed by a present tense word, just step back, take out "would" and make the word past tense. For example, would become → became; would follow → followed; would result → resulted and so on. Cheers.--
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talk) 00:23, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
@ Fuhghettaboutit, thanks for your help and the feedback. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner but I've been away due to other priorities with family and work, which forced me to abandon WP for awhile. I agree (and have always agreed) with your assessment that the page reads like an essay. This is my first real attempt at a full article so I was hoping to get it to a point where it had some "meat" to it (my apologies to any vegetarians who read this) and then have the community help me improve it, so that the article will improve and so I can learn from the improvements. For example, your suggestions on the correction of behavior patterns are exactly what I hope to learn from people who've been doing this far longer than I have. Thanks, again, for all your help and please always feel free to continue to suggest any constructive improvements, as I'm always willing to learn. Thx, FGuerino ( talk) 22:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
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Sorry I failed to clarify my point. As someone else has pointed out "doesn't count" means that our policy allowing one use of a non-free article does nto apply to sandbox articles. Sandbox articles should not have such an image.-- SPhilbrick (Talk) 21:12, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
You need to provide sources talking about the subject of the article..... see WP:42 for the hard headed summary. Lots of references to sources not directly about the subject will not help. Regards, Ariconte ( talk) 20:02, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
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I don't wish to continue this discussion at the Teahouse, since that is supposed to be an especially friendly and helpful place. You characterized the editor's "only" goals as negative. I was trying to give a more well rounded view. I do not support ignoring the problematic aspects of his behavior. He has been blocked by administrators quite a few times, and I have never once criticized such blocks or defended the bad behavior. In my own small way, I have tried to encourage moderation of his behavior, and do appreciate the help he gave me on one of my articles. Until such time as the Wikipedia community decides to ban this editor, we have to encourage his good work and discourage his outbursts. This is a difficult challenge, but confronting him in broad public venues is pretty much guaranteed to fail, in my opinion. Best regards to you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 17:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Hi Cullen328, (FYI, I'm bringing Eric into the conversation because I have nothing to hide and I'd rather see this resolved than have it linger.) I appreciate your advice and time and I agree with your not wanting to continue the conversation in the public Teahouse, as my goal was to learn how to reward someone who I believe was a solid representation of what WP is and should always be. I agree with you and others that Eric's portfolio is pretty impressive and I've stated, openly and more than once, that I feel that because of his portfolio I think there's a tremendous amount to learn from him. I still believe this. Some of my questions at the Teahouse are about understanding and learning how to deal with some of the politics and nonsense that goes on when you're trying to be productive. I feel that asking and getting answers to such questions in the Teahouse is important because, if I'm dealing with these things, then we know other people are dealing with such things, too, and I believe the proper ways for dealing with them are invaluable for everyone.
For clarity, I'd like to point out that within a few short paragraphs of questioning Eric for facts to support his statements on particular areas of a given article, I've gotten responses from him like:
Now, I'm new pretty new to all of this on WP and I'm trying to understand all of the policies and politics that go on, here, but the above would seem to be violations of the Wikipedia:Civility pillar. And, that last response even seems to get into a violation of WP policies on Wikipedia:Ownership of articles, which state there is no ownership. And remember, all of this was while trying to understand things, to see if or how things should/could be changed.
Please let me be very clear, I'm not out to cause trouble for Eric or anyone. And, I'm certainly not out to get him or anyone banned. I'm trying to learn and contribute, and where people have helped me I've been openly grateful and appreciative about it. And, in all of my questioning or discussions, you'll see that I try my best to use manners, always trying to use words like "please," "kindly," "respectfully," "thank you," and "my best."
Anyhow, thanks again for your help. -- FGuerino ( talk) 19:21, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
@
Eric, Continuing from above, I'd like to make it clear that I'm not out to cause you any grief or trouble and my questions were all about the article(s). However, I'm not a pushover, either. So, if you don't like my asking you to provide facts in order to support your statements about articles, so that I may better understand things like your positions, I don't know what else to tell you as doing so is a normal means of getting to resolution. However, if you choose to take an abusive, uncivil, and an unprofessional stance with me, please know that I'm not going to back down (however, I will always try my best to be civil about things). If, on the other hand, you want to help me learn, understand, and improve things in a productive manner, I promise you that I'm all ears and would always be very grateful for your help.
My Best, -- FGuerino ( talk) 19:21, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Your suggestion might get the editor warned as it wasn't very specific. Editors can certainly delete from their own talk pages but doing that on any other talk page without creating an archive page will likely get a warning. -- NeilN talk to me 00:34, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Greetings, I saw at Teahouse you were asking about AFC; did you mean to submit User:FGuerino/Information technology industry? It is not yet submitted, so if you want it considered at AFC you have to hit the "Submit" button in the sandbox template at the top. MatthewVanitas ( talk) 20:45, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
Hey F. I've completed the copyedit. I must tell you that your task is, I think, to simplify, source everything that can be sourced and remove everything that can't. I've edited the words used to give a level playing field, but it reads to some extent like an essay, and though as I've said I know very little about the marketing and formal classification of the IT industry, so I can't say for sure, parts have the feel of
original research. By the way, if I might impose on you one grammar/writing style tip, as it's something you do a lot and is an impulse you can easily learn to recognize and consciously curb: Whenever you are going to use past tense, and you start writing "would" followed by a present tense word, just step back, take out "would" and make the word past tense. For example, would become → became; would follow → followed; would result → resulted and so on. Cheers.--
Fuhghettaboutit (
talk) 00:23, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
@ Fuhghettaboutit, thanks for your help and the feedback. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner but I've been away due to other priorities with family and work, which forced me to abandon WP for awhile. I agree (and have always agreed) with your assessment that the page reads like an essay. This is my first real attempt at a full article so I was hoping to get it to a point where it had some "meat" to it (my apologies to any vegetarians who read this) and then have the community help me improve it, so that the article will improve and so I can learn from the improvements. For example, your suggestions on the correction of behavior patterns are exactly what I hope to learn from people who've been doing this far longer than I have. Thanks, again, for all your help and please always feel free to continue to suggest any constructive improvements, as I'm always willing to learn. Thx, FGuerino ( talk) 22:22, 1 March 2014 (UTC)