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06:11, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Dear GorgeCustersSabre,
I understand you have concerns regarding the criticism I recently added to the Yusuf Estes page, however I believe there is valuable academic criticism of Yusuf's work in the document I referenced. I request that you kindly explain to me what is the problem, I hope I can present the valid academic criticism in a way suitable to Wikipedia's standards.
thanks in advanced for you help!
sincerely,
Eyrryds ( talk) 02:23, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Dear GorgeCustersSabre,
I will review the references you provided in hopes I can improve my contribution, thank you for that. The document that has been added as criticism includes a number of verifiable references to well known and respected scholars of orthodox Islaam from among the first generations. I therefore disagree on the following: "it is not a reliable, authoritative,"
Can you please look into this and tell me if you agree?
My idea is to use the verifiable and authorative references used in the document and present them in a way that complies with Wikipedia's guidelines for BLP's.
thanks again and please bare with me,
Eyrryds ( talk) 02:56, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Dear
George Custer's Sabre (
talk)
I understand. What I am thinking now is either or both of the following options:
1) to directly quote published books where the refutation to Yusuf Estes' ideology is criticized (note this would not include a direct mention to Yusuf Estes rather a direct criticism to some of his preaching).
2) To present the recorded words (through a link to a youtube video or so) from a professor in a recognized Islamic University such as Ummal Qura University in Mecca or the Islamic University of Medina saying that Yusuf's teaching on the Quran are opposed to mainstream Islaam.
I appreciate your help with this addition, you have been very helpful. I request you continue to help me reach the correct contribution.
Should I expect other editors to help us out on this? Did I understand you correctly regarding the intervention of other Wikipedia editors?
Finally, I am not sure why you would have a concern for an edit war. As soon as I saw that my contribution was rejected by you, I immediately asked for your assistance to do this in the right way. I can see other people have also tried to add the same article I was referencing but I have nothing to do with that. The article was recently published and it seems not only me was shocked to see Yusuf preaching teachings that are contrary to some basic mainstream beliefs. Again, I have only and exclusively edited Yusuf's webpage under my username Eyrryds.
Thanks again, Eyrryds ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:36, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
I am just thinking of ways to accommodate Wikipedia's rules, please be patient with an inexperienced well-intended user. Eyrryds ( talk) 06:11, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Dear George Custer's Sabre I have a brief criticism by a well known scholar of Islaam from Medina: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8nK6hNbRW4&feature=share&list=UU5k6j9TtJWdQ0XVrVk-VsXQ Here is a short bio on the scholar, he was a teacher at the University in Medina until he retired. http://www.tvwiki.tv/wiki/Shaykh_Ubayd_ibn_Abdullaah_al-Jaabiree Does this qualify as a third source part? If it does do we need more than that?
thank you for your help I appreciate it. Eyrryds ( talk) 05:18, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
My apologies, I have found a recent new audio talking on the topic but I am unable to distinguish if it satisfies Wikipedia's requirements: http://www.troid.ca/media/audio/MR_yusufestes1.mp3 thanks again for your help, Eyrryds ( talk) 21:18, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
thank you for your help, I suggest you leave the talk in the Yusuf's page so others may see that we are working on this. I just saw the history it seems that people are really trying to add the criticism and I wish they saw we are working on it. Either way, your call of course. many thanks again, Eyrryds ( talk) 21:41, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Welcome!
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Materialscientist (
talk)
06:11, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Dear GorgeCustersSabre,
I understand you have concerns regarding the criticism I recently added to the Yusuf Estes page, however I believe there is valuable academic criticism of Yusuf's work in the document I referenced. I request that you kindly explain to me what is the problem, I hope I can present the valid academic criticism in a way suitable to Wikipedia's standards.
thanks in advanced for you help!
sincerely,
Eyrryds ( talk) 02:23, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Dear GorgeCustersSabre,
I will review the references you provided in hopes I can improve my contribution, thank you for that. The document that has been added as criticism includes a number of verifiable references to well known and respected scholars of orthodox Islaam from among the first generations. I therefore disagree on the following: "it is not a reliable, authoritative,"
Can you please look into this and tell me if you agree?
My idea is to use the verifiable and authorative references used in the document and present them in a way that complies with Wikipedia's guidelines for BLP's.
thanks again and please bare with me,
Eyrryds ( talk) 02:56, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Dear
George Custer's Sabre (
talk)
I understand. What I am thinking now is either or both of the following options:
1) to directly quote published books where the refutation to Yusuf Estes' ideology is criticized (note this would not include a direct mention to Yusuf Estes rather a direct criticism to some of his preaching).
2) To present the recorded words (through a link to a youtube video or so) from a professor in a recognized Islamic University such as Ummal Qura University in Mecca or the Islamic University of Medina saying that Yusuf's teaching on the Quran are opposed to mainstream Islaam.
I appreciate your help with this addition, you have been very helpful. I request you continue to help me reach the correct contribution.
Should I expect other editors to help us out on this? Did I understand you correctly regarding the intervention of other Wikipedia editors?
Finally, I am not sure why you would have a concern for an edit war. As soon as I saw that my contribution was rejected by you, I immediately asked for your assistance to do this in the right way. I can see other people have also tried to add the same article I was referencing but I have nothing to do with that. The article was recently published and it seems not only me was shocked to see Yusuf preaching teachings that are contrary to some basic mainstream beliefs. Again, I have only and exclusively edited Yusuf's webpage under my username Eyrryds.
Thanks again, Eyrryds ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:36, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
I am just thinking of ways to accommodate Wikipedia's rules, please be patient with an inexperienced well-intended user. Eyrryds ( talk) 06:11, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Dear George Custer's Sabre I have a brief criticism by a well known scholar of Islaam from Medina: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8nK6hNbRW4&feature=share&list=UU5k6j9TtJWdQ0XVrVk-VsXQ Here is a short bio on the scholar, he was a teacher at the University in Medina until he retired. http://www.tvwiki.tv/wiki/Shaykh_Ubayd_ibn_Abdullaah_al-Jaabiree Does this qualify as a third source part? If it does do we need more than that?
thank you for your help I appreciate it. Eyrryds ( talk) 05:18, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
My apologies, I have found a recent new audio talking on the topic but I am unable to distinguish if it satisfies Wikipedia's requirements: http://www.troid.ca/media/audio/MR_yusufestes1.mp3 thanks again for your help, Eyrryds ( talk) 21:18, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
thank you for your help, I suggest you leave the talk in the Yusuf's page so others may see that we are working on this. I just saw the history it seems that people are really trying to add the criticism and I wish they saw we are working on it. Either way, your call of course. many thanks again, Eyrryds ( talk) 21:41, 31 August 2012 (UTC)