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Fuel efficiency in transportation ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Robthoburn ( talk · contribs) is adamantly making contested edits to the Fuel efficiency in transportation page and won't use talk page first. What do I do? I've asked him/her a few times now to discuss them... Ephdot ( talk) 15:13, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I have delisted your case, I think Robthoburn simply forgot to log in (his edits leave no doubt this is the same person). After a (very quick) glance, I don't think he has broken any rule (specifically WP:3RR). -- lucasbfr talk, checkuser clerk, 13:49, 25 March 2008 (UTC).
I can't get either of these tables to sort properly...
Using firefox browser.
{|class="wikitable sortable" <!-- | style="width:100%;" --> ! Summary{{smn}} |- | 1.4 L{{smn}} |- | 2 L{{smn}} |- | 19 L{{smn}} |- | 1 L{{smn}} |}
Summary |
---|
1.4L sm=n |
2L sm=n |
19L sm=n |
1L sm=n |
What do you mean by "Sort" --
The
Helpful
One
(Review)
12:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Summary (L) |
---|
1.4 |
2 |
19 |
1 |
Summary |
---|
1.4 L |
2 L |
19 L |
1 L |
Vehicle | Fuel efficency |
---|---|
my car | 12 L/100 km (20 MPGe) |
your car | 20 L/100 km (12 MPGe) |
his car | 24 L/100 km (10 MPGe) |
her car | 10 L/100 km (24 MPGe) |
Vehicle | L/100 km | MPGe |
---|---|---|
my car | 12 | 20 |
your car | 20 | 12 |
his car | 24 | 10 |
her car | 10 | 24 |
I have a fix for the "sm=n" sort problem. See the Template talk:MPGe#table sort fix.. I can't insert it into the .js page. Can someone else verify and do this? Ephdot ( talk) 14:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
The fuel efficiency in transportation page has references to MJ/km (electric) converted to gasoline equivalents using the full caloric value of the fuel ~35 MJ/L (I think). This is absolutely wrong because maximum theoretical efficiency is 83% (even for fuel cells). We're closer to 33% (25%..40%) in real applications at the moment.
The MPGe page looked like a good metric to use for comparison, only it turns out this measure is not so common plus isn't metric. Converting other fuel equivalents using caloric values seems quite common and uncontested, but the name varies: MPGE, mpgge and MPGe.
There doesn't seem to be a common measure compatible with SI. Commonly used L/100 km isn't exactly an SI measure (according to the wiki litre page) though conversion is simple.
Finally, even with an explicit value chosen, 11 kWh/US gallon or 2.9 kWh/L which represents Coal efficiency at creating power and also the common 33% efficiency of heat engines, there is no agreement for allowing a fair comparison between electric and fossil fuel powered vehicles.
What a mess. Ephdot ( talk) 17:43, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I always feel bad editing someone else's subpage. Do forgive the intrusion by I removed the categorisation of User:Ephdot/MPGe. J ɪ m p 04:16, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
The following should do the same.
<includeonly>{{formatnum: {{sigfig|{{#switch:{{{2}}} <!-- comment here? --> |Gas/100 km= {{#expr:(({{{1}}}))}} |Diesel/100 km={{#expr:(({{{1}}}) / 0.88)}} |JetK/100 km= {{#expr:(({{{1}}}) / 0.897736144)}} |BTU/100 km= {{#expr:(({{{1}}}) / 115000)}} |kWh/100 km= {{#expr:(({{{1}}})) }} |mpgus= |mi/USGas= {{#expr:235.214584 / (({{{1}}}))}} |mi/USDiesel= {{#expr:235.214584 / (({{{1}}}) * 0.88)}} |mi/USJetK= {{#expr:235.214584 / (({{{1}}}) * 0.897736144)}} |mi/BTU= {{#expr:235.214584 / (({{{1}}}) * 115000)}} |mi/kWh= {{#expr:1 / (({{{1}}}) /1.609344)*100}} |mpgimp= |mi/ImpGas= {{#expr:235.214584 / (({{{1}}})/1.20095042)}} |mi/ImpDiesel= {{#expr:235.214584 / (({{{1}}})/1.20095042 * 0.88)}} |mi/ImpJetK= {{#expr:235.214584 / (({{{1}}})/1.20095042 * 0.897736144) }}|{{{3|}}} }} }} {{#switch: {{{2|}}} <!-- comment here? --> }}{{#switch: {{{2|}}} |mi/kWh=kWh |kWh/100 km=kWh |L }} /100 {{#ifeq:{{{p|}}}|on|p·}}km {{#switch: {{{2}}} <!-- comment here? --> |kWh/100 km= |mi/kWh= |({{formatnum: {{sigfig|{{#switch: {{{2}}} |Gas/100 km= {{#expr:235.214584 /({{{1}}})}} |Diesel/100 km={{#expr:235.214584 /({{{1}}}) / 0.88 }} |JetK/100 km= {{#expr:235.214584 /({{{1}}}) / 0.897736144 }}<!-- |BTU/100 km= BTU per hundred kilometres -- what's this? --> |mpgus= |mi/USGas= {{#expr:({{{1}}})}} |mi/USDiesel= {{#expr:({{{1}}}) * 0.88 }} |mi/USJetK= {{#expr:({{{1}}}) * 0.897736144 }} |mi/BTU= {{#expr:({{{1}}}) * 0.115000 }} |mpgimp= {{#expr:({{{1}}})/1.20095042 }} |mi/ImpGal= {{#expr:({{{1}}})/1.20095042 }} |mi/ImpDiesel= {{#expr:({{{1}}})/1.20095042 * 0.88 }} |mi/ImpJetK= {{#expr:({{{1}}})/1.20095042 * 0.897736144 }} }}|{{{3|3}}} }} }} {{#ifeq:{{{p}}}|on|p·}}{{#ifeq:{{{lk}}}|on|[[MPGe]]|MPGe}} US) }}</includeonly><noinclude> This Template formats mpg into [[MPGe]]<sub>US</sub> and L/100 km *Gas/100 km=litres Diesel per hundred kilometres *Diesel/100 km=litres Diesel per hundred kilometres *JetK/100 km=litres Jet fuel per hundred kilometres *kWh/100 km=kWh per hundred kilometres *BTU/100 km=BTU per hundred kilometres *mi/USGas=miles per US gallon of Gasoline *mpgus=miles per US gallon of Gasoline *mi/USDiesel=miles per US gallon of Diesel *mi/USJetK=miles per US gallon of Jet Fuel (Kerosene) *mi/BTU=miles per BTU *mi/kWh=miles per kWh *mi/ImpGas=miles per Imp gallon of Diesel *mi/ImpDiesel=miles per Imp gallon of Diesel *mi/ImpJetK=miles per Imp gallon of Jet Fuel (Kerosene) Usage: * {{MPGe|10|mpgus|lk=on}}: {{User:Ephdot/MPGe|10|mpgus|lk=on}} * {{MPGe|10|mpgus}}: {{User:Ephdot/MPGe|mpgus|10}} * {{MPGe|50|mpgus|3}}: {{User:Ephdot/MPGe|50|mpgus|3}} * {{MPGe|10|mpgus|p=on}}: {{User:Ephdot/MPGe|10|mpgus|p=on}} Options: * The second parameter is decimal precision (default 1 decimal) * p=on adds p· for passenger miles * Make units [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links)|wikilinked]] by attaching <code>|lk=on</code>. *:The [[WP:MOS|manual of style]] suggests that you only link the first instance. <!-- [[Category:Conversion templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]--> </noinclude>
What I'd had in mind was entering the fuel and input unit as seperate parameters. It might made the template call somewhat clearer on the user's end, if slightly more cumbersome (you'd have to type an extra pipe). It should also make the template code a little simpler. J ɪ m p 00:25, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
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04:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Template:MPGe has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. (I just put this notice here, the tfd was by another editor)
sn‾uǝɹɹɐʍɯ (
talk)
21:33, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello, Ephdot, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a
Wikipedian! Please
sign your messages on
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tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out
Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question and then place {{helpme}}
before the question on your talk page. Again, welcome! --
Merovingian (
T,
C)
20:36, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
{{helpme}}
Fuel efficiency in transportation ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Robthoburn ( talk · contribs) is adamantly making contested edits to the Fuel efficiency in transportation page and won't use talk page first. What do I do? I've asked him/her a few times now to discuss them... Ephdot ( talk) 15:13, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I have delisted your case, I think Robthoburn simply forgot to log in (his edits leave no doubt this is the same person). After a (very quick) glance, I don't think he has broken any rule (specifically WP:3RR). -- lucasbfr talk, checkuser clerk, 13:49, 25 March 2008 (UTC).
I can't get either of these tables to sort properly...
Using firefox browser.
{|class="wikitable sortable" <!-- | style="width:100%;" --> ! Summary{{smn}} |- | 1.4 L{{smn}} |- | 2 L{{smn}} |- | 19 L{{smn}} |- | 1 L{{smn}} |}
Summary |
---|
1.4L sm=n |
2L sm=n |
19L sm=n |
1L sm=n |
What do you mean by "Sort" --
The
Helpful
One
(Review)
12:52, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Summary (L) |
---|
1.4 |
2 |
19 |
1 |
Summary |
---|
1.4 L |
2 L |
19 L |
1 L |
Vehicle | Fuel efficency |
---|---|
my car | 12 L/100 km (20 MPGe) |
your car | 20 L/100 km (12 MPGe) |
his car | 24 L/100 km (10 MPGe) |
her car | 10 L/100 km (24 MPGe) |
Vehicle | L/100 km | MPGe |
---|---|---|
my car | 12 | 20 |
your car | 20 | 12 |
his car | 24 | 10 |
her car | 10 | 24 |
I have a fix for the "sm=n" sort problem. See the Template talk:MPGe#table sort fix.. I can't insert it into the .js page. Can someone else verify and do this? Ephdot ( talk) 14:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
The fuel efficiency in transportation page has references to MJ/km (electric) converted to gasoline equivalents using the full caloric value of the fuel ~35 MJ/L (I think). This is absolutely wrong because maximum theoretical efficiency is 83% (even for fuel cells). We're closer to 33% (25%..40%) in real applications at the moment.
The MPGe page looked like a good metric to use for comparison, only it turns out this measure is not so common plus isn't metric. Converting other fuel equivalents using caloric values seems quite common and uncontested, but the name varies: MPGE, mpgge and MPGe.
There doesn't seem to be a common measure compatible with SI. Commonly used L/100 km isn't exactly an SI measure (according to the wiki litre page) though conversion is simple.
Finally, even with an explicit value chosen, 11 kWh/US gallon or 2.9 kWh/L which represents Coal efficiency at creating power and also the common 33% efficiency of heat engines, there is no agreement for allowing a fair comparison between electric and fossil fuel powered vehicles.
What a mess. Ephdot ( talk) 17:43, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I always feel bad editing someone else's subpage. Do forgive the intrusion by I removed the categorisation of User:Ephdot/MPGe. J ɪ m p 04:16, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
The following should do the same.
<includeonly>{{formatnum: {{sigfig|{{#switch:{{{2}}} <!-- comment here? --> |Gas/100 km= {{#expr:(({{{1}}}))}} |Diesel/100 km={{#expr:(({{{1}}}) / 0.88)}} |JetK/100 km= {{#expr:(({{{1}}}) / 0.897736144)}} |BTU/100 km= {{#expr:(({{{1}}}) / 115000)}} |kWh/100 km= {{#expr:(({{{1}}})) }} |mpgus= |mi/USGas= {{#expr:235.214584 / (({{{1}}}))}} |mi/USDiesel= {{#expr:235.214584 / (({{{1}}}) * 0.88)}} |mi/USJetK= {{#expr:235.214584 / (({{{1}}}) * 0.897736144)}} |mi/BTU= {{#expr:235.214584 / (({{{1}}}) * 115000)}} |mi/kWh= {{#expr:1 / (({{{1}}}) /1.609344)*100}} |mpgimp= |mi/ImpGas= {{#expr:235.214584 / (({{{1}}})/1.20095042)}} |mi/ImpDiesel= {{#expr:235.214584 / (({{{1}}})/1.20095042 * 0.88)}} |mi/ImpJetK= {{#expr:235.214584 / (({{{1}}})/1.20095042 * 0.897736144) }}|{{{3|}}} }} }} {{#switch: {{{2|}}} <!-- comment here? --> }}{{#switch: {{{2|}}} |mi/kWh=kWh |kWh/100 km=kWh |L }} /100 {{#ifeq:{{{p|}}}|on|p·}}km {{#switch: {{{2}}} <!-- comment here? --> |kWh/100 km= |mi/kWh= |({{formatnum: {{sigfig|{{#switch: {{{2}}} |Gas/100 km= {{#expr:235.214584 /({{{1}}})}} |Diesel/100 km={{#expr:235.214584 /({{{1}}}) / 0.88 }} |JetK/100 km= {{#expr:235.214584 /({{{1}}}) / 0.897736144 }}<!-- |BTU/100 km= BTU per hundred kilometres -- what's this? --> |mpgus= |mi/USGas= {{#expr:({{{1}}})}} |mi/USDiesel= {{#expr:({{{1}}}) * 0.88 }} |mi/USJetK= {{#expr:({{{1}}}) * 0.897736144 }} |mi/BTU= {{#expr:({{{1}}}) * 0.115000 }} |mpgimp= {{#expr:({{{1}}})/1.20095042 }} |mi/ImpGal= {{#expr:({{{1}}})/1.20095042 }} |mi/ImpDiesel= {{#expr:({{{1}}})/1.20095042 * 0.88 }} |mi/ImpJetK= {{#expr:({{{1}}})/1.20095042 * 0.897736144 }} }}|{{{3|3}}} }} }} {{#ifeq:{{{p}}}|on|p·}}{{#ifeq:{{{lk}}}|on|[[MPGe]]|MPGe}} US) }}</includeonly><noinclude> This Template formats mpg into [[MPGe]]<sub>US</sub> and L/100 km *Gas/100 km=litres Diesel per hundred kilometres *Diesel/100 km=litres Diesel per hundred kilometres *JetK/100 km=litres Jet fuel per hundred kilometres *kWh/100 km=kWh per hundred kilometres *BTU/100 km=BTU per hundred kilometres *mi/USGas=miles per US gallon of Gasoline *mpgus=miles per US gallon of Gasoline *mi/USDiesel=miles per US gallon of Diesel *mi/USJetK=miles per US gallon of Jet Fuel (Kerosene) *mi/BTU=miles per BTU *mi/kWh=miles per kWh *mi/ImpGas=miles per Imp gallon of Diesel *mi/ImpDiesel=miles per Imp gallon of Diesel *mi/ImpJetK=miles per Imp gallon of Jet Fuel (Kerosene) Usage: * {{MPGe|10|mpgus|lk=on}}: {{User:Ephdot/MPGe|10|mpgus|lk=on}} * {{MPGe|10|mpgus}}: {{User:Ephdot/MPGe|mpgus|10}} * {{MPGe|50|mpgus|3}}: {{User:Ephdot/MPGe|50|mpgus|3}} * {{MPGe|10|mpgus|p=on}}: {{User:Ephdot/MPGe|10|mpgus|p=on}} Options: * The second parameter is decimal precision (default 1 decimal) * p=on adds p· for passenger miles * Make units [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links)|wikilinked]] by attaching <code>|lk=on</code>. *:The [[WP:MOS|manual of style]] suggests that you only link the first instance. <!-- [[Category:Conversion templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]--> </noinclude>
What I'd had in mind was entering the fuel and input unit as seperate parameters. It might made the template call somewhat clearer on the user's end, if slightly more cumbersome (you'd have to type an extra pipe). It should also make the template code a little simpler. J ɪ m p 00:25, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Ї
Ѧ
ρ
19:05, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Ї
Ѧ
ρ
04:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Template:MPGe has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at
the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. (I just put this notice here, the tfd was by another editor)
sn‾uǝɹɹɐʍɯ (
talk)
21:33, 23 August 2009 (UTC)