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Without getting into the merits of this ban here, I think there may be a little bit of a misunderstanding reflected here. The general rule is that a community sanctions discussion is closed by an administrator who has not expressed a view in the discussion, rather than one who has already expressed his or her opinion in the discussion. This is a sound practice for what I think are obvious reasons. Since the administrator won't have commented in the discussion, he or she may seem like a "lurker" in the sense of someone who was reading but not previously participating, but in this context I don't think that is really a criticism. Newyorkbrad ( talk) 23:36, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
Another personal attack, which is a false accusation as well. Morphh (talk) 16:14, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
And another - now I'm pathetic. Morphh (talk) 16:54, 6 January 2014 (UTC)
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09:33, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
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Hello, Ellen! I have noticed you are interested in topics like economic inequality and public policies to mitigate such inequality. Are you familiar with Lane Kenworthy? I started a stub on him recently and was wondering about expanding the article, maybe into a DYK article. He has recently published the book Social Democratic America, previously he has published books like Egalitarian Capitalism and Progress for the Poor. There is an interview with him about his last book in WP: This sociologist has a plan to make America more like Sweden. If you are interested you are most welcome to participate in expanding the article; there isn't any edit wars or other problems over there so there should be a great chance for peaceful and constructive editing. Kind regards, Iselilja ( talk) 05:47, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
You made this edit and used as justification a talk page discussion which indicated the content you inserted was not supported by a reliable source and probably WP:SYN. How do you justify adding this into another article? Your source makes no mention that government investment in education has positive returns. I'm having a hard time assuming good faith on your part. Mattnad ( talk) 15:32, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
@ Mattnad: Secondary peer reviewed source from 1973, secondary peer reviewed source from 2010, popular treatment, long read popular treatment, left-wing, centrist, right-wing, policy response. Now it's your turn. What did you come up with in years compared to what took me less than a day, and what does that say about our relative WP:COMPETENCE? EllenCT ( talk) 02:39, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
-- Ubikwit 連絡 見学/迷惑 18:01, 26 January 2014 (UTC)Because we are looking at the investment and return from the country’s viewpoint, all incomes are calculated at gross income, including the taxes, which flow to the government.
Keeping in mind that articles get improved by civil discussions on the article talk pages, I suggest that the citations and analysis of them be posted on that page. Remarks about good faith, competence, POV, etc., are infringing on NPA. – S. Rich ( talk) 04:18, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
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10:22, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
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I saw your post on Arbcom about Austrian/Misesian economics. I recommend you read today's New York Times -- the Sunday edition, no less -- for more about Austrian economics central, the Ludwig von Mises Institute. The article was about Rand Paul, but about 1/3 to 1/2 of it involved the Mises Institute (the most detailed investigation of that outfit I've seen in RS thus far).
Some highlights: "scholars affiliated with the Mises Institute have combined dark biblical prophecy with apocalyptic warnings that the nation is plunging toward economic collapse and cultural ruin. Others have championed the Confederacy."
"[Mises Institute Senior fellow] Thomas E. Woods Jr. was a co-author of “Who Killed the Constitution?,” which denounced the Supreme Court decision desegregating schools, Brown v. Board of Education, as “a dizzying display of judicial imperialism.”
"Mr. Rothbard applauded the “right-wing populism” of David Duke, a former Ku Klux Klan member who ran for governor of Louisiana, and ridiculed “multiculturalists,” lesbians and “the entire panoply of feminism, egalitarianism.”
"[Mises Institute Senior Fellow] Walter Block ... described slavery as “not so bad,” is also highly critical of the Civil Rights Act. “Woolworth’s had lunchroom counters, and no blacks were allowed,” he said in a telephone interview. “Did they have a right to do that? Yes, they did. No one is compelled to associate with people against their will.” Steeletrap ( talk) 23:47, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
This one.-- Ubikwit 連絡 見学/迷惑 15:23, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
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09:46, 27 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi EllenCT, you have been mentioned as part of evidence submission here: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Austrian_economics/Workshop#EllenCT.27s_submission_2. This notification is part of the Arbitration process. Mattnad ( talk) 16:19, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
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10:18, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
EllenCT, I know we've locked horns more than once, I'm writing you this note because you're heading down a path that won't be positive to you and I think you have, and can add, a lot of value to the encyclopedia. You are clearly well read and intelligent. However, your presumption that resistance to your editing come from extremism, and how you're going about lobbying for support, are not helping your case.
Here's my impression of your motivation. You would like to apply a more academic approach to some topics using abstract economic theories. To me, it almost seems as if you are working on an academic thesis in some articles.
The issue for me, and some other editors, is that an encyclopedia is not about abstract economic ideas (except for articles covering those ideas in particular). When it comes to more general topics, we focus on standard, directly referenced, material. So, while some concepts your introducing into the progressive tax article (as an example) might be perfectly fine for an academic exploration [154], they're out of scope or represent original research in several instances.
There's a ton of work to be done, just improving articles using standard reliable sources. Would you consider taking a break from bringing in primary research concepts, and focus more for a while on meat and potatoes material?
I recall from your User page that you were working with an academic adviser who is familiar with Wikipedia. If you trust this person, it might be helpful to get his or her POV on how you're approaching things. The way it's going, you will find yourself increasingly an outsider and potential subject to a topic ban request. Mattnad ( talk) 14:29, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
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09:30, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
This topic is independently notable? Then why has it only got one sentence? – Smyth\ talk 11:30, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
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09:20, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Ellen. I found your name from a link at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Closure_review_archive. What is the usaul procedure for requesting a review of an RFC discussion closure? I recently posted an <admin help> request tag on my talk page to ask for help, and mentioned that I had tried to request a closure review at WP:AN but there'd been no review and my post had been archived after 48 hours. An admin responded to my admin help tag, saying in essence that I should just move on. That didn't really answer my question (ie, what is the procedure to ensure that a review is done). Since you've been through the process before, can you tell me what the steps are? Dezastru ( talk) 01:06, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
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08:00, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi, you really need to stop this sort of thing. As far as I can recall, you and I have had no interaction other than my objection to a topic ban proposal made by you at ANI a couple of days ago in an unrelated thread. However, I've been watching from afar and there is no doubt in my mind that you are not here for any purpose other than to right what you perceive to be Great Wrongs. Please can you review WP:NPOV and WP:CONSENSUS, as others have asked you to do in the past. If you cannot handle the issues as outlined in those pages then Wikipedia is probably not the place for you. That you have a clear political position seems not to be in doubt and you are entitled to hold it; what you are not entitled to do here is tendentiously promote it, so please go do that somewhere else. - Sitush ( talk) 03:51, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
I do not accept your premise that anything at Talk:Progressive tax suggests that my position has diverged from the peer reviewed WP:SECONDARY sources. I will not play your WP:TAGTEAM games or accept your advice until you have shown that you understand the rules of improving the encyclopedia and the words that you choose. EllenCT ( talk) 06:20, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
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You may be interested in the discussion at Talk:United States#Scientific Study that has determined the US is an oligarchy. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 08:19, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
See the Globalization talk page. I do not have time to deal with your bias over USEIA and do not appreciate your attitude toward other editors. Meclee ( talk) 12:58, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
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I gave you two fair warnings. VictorD7 ( talk) 08:35, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
You said: "VictorD7 isn't it true that you've repeatedly attempted to insert statements paid for by the Peter G. Peterson Foundation claiming that US taxes are progressive..?"
1. List these alleged "statements"; quote them.
2. Define "paid for". VictorD7 ( talk) 17:51, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Explain precisely what you mean by "paid for". VictorD7 ( talk) 18:44, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
These loaded questions are not helpful. A wise man once said "Can't we all just get along?" – S. Rich ( talk) 05:07, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Ellen, people have been accused of paid editing here, so instead of me hazarding a guess, just tell me what you mean. VictorD7 ( talk) 06:16, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
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08:34, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Please note that the proper procedure for challenging the closure of a discussion is laid out Wikipedia:Closing_discussions#Challenging_other_closures. You should revert the edit. Thank you. – S. Rich ( talk) 23:42, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
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Regarding my promise to respond in [309], I've been working on other gnomish activities. So I shall try to address the issue tomorrow. – S. Rich ( talk) 05:38, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
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You may want to correct the spelling ("yeild") in the quotation at the beginning of your user page. Grammatical corrections on the page are needed as well.
You might also be well-served by moderating your approach to editing. Not everything someone writes which is contrary to your POV is "fringe" material. Likewise, some of the edits you make are clearly deserving of being considered "fringe" material. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.103.87.166 ( talk) 02:49, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi EllenCT. I made an edit today and that (long story short) led me back here. I just wanted to follow up and clarify my post as it appears by your response that I may not have clearly communicated what I was trying to convey.
When I spoke about "fringe" material, I was referring to material from peer-reviewed secondary sources which are far from the mainstream school of thought. Presenting either extreme POV on a topic, backing it up with secondary sources and characterizing it as representing the consensus of thinking on a topic is not NPOV.
For example, with respect to climate change, there are peer-reviewed secondary sources which maintain that anthropogenic climate change is minimal or non-existent. Likewise there are peer-reviewed secondary sources which support a view that the consequences of anthropogenic climate change are likely to be much worse than the scientific consensus on same. I (personally) consider both of these to be "fringe" views. While anyone is free to agree with either of these extremes, IMO Wikipedia is best served by first presenting research supporting consensus in the field and then (if desired) adding discussion and citations to research which represent and explain views on either extreme of the mainstream school of thought.
I think that your zeal in supporting your valid POV on certain topics leads you to overlook the fact that there are competing albeit equally valid schools of thought at the other extreme. This appears to be behind some disagreements between editors in which the disagreement over content degenerates into ongoing edits by both parties; the issue of behavior then becomes more prominent than the equal presentation of opposing POVs. It's a not uncommon occurrence.
It's not a matter of who may or may not be following the rules. It's a matter of editors of varying POVs recognizing the partiality of their respective viewpoints, respecting the right of other editors to hold opposing POVs and allowing both POVs to be presented as alternatives to each other or even to mainstream schools of thought.
This is just my personal take on what is behind some of the controversy which arises with your edits and the edits of those who disagree with your POV. You're free to take it to heart or not. Again, it's not about the rules of editing, it's about introspection and MUTUAL respect. Happy editing! (And clean up those grammatical errors on your user page! ;} )
Help! I'm a Wikipedia newbie and am having trouble with the article I wrote being removed and the term (domain troll) being inappropriately redirected to "cybersquatter", which is wrong (they're quite distinct concepts). The conversations on the talk page lead me to believe that that whole area of wikipedia is under the control of the trolls themselves and they do not want to address the issue that domain squatting is an example of rent-seeking. If there is a Wikipedia red flag to indicate that the hen house is being guarded by the foxes, I believe that now is the time to raise it. 67.176.60.220 ( talk) 15:52, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
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Here is the response I posted in response to the statement you made here. Rather than disrupt the article talk page any further, I have cut it from the article talk page an am posting it here, striking a portion of my comment, and correcting another portion:
This is absurd.1. You are asking a question about a statement in a talk page thread for another article, not this article. 2. I am not using the word "join". The word is part of the policy I quoted.You might read the policy andnote that it also uses the word "combine". 3. If you have some gripe or concern about the usage of the word in the policy, then bring it up WT:NOR. (Be sure to scan the 59 pages of archives.) But asking for clarification here is disruptive. 4. If youreallyneed assistance in understanding what the SYNTH policy is, try posting a {{ Help}} template on your talk page. Someone will come along and do their best to assist you.
– S. Rich ( talk) 05:55, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
ADDED comment. If you want to remove a comment from your talk page, please feel free to do so. (And you should feel free to remove this added comment.) But taking another editor's comment from one page and posting in on an article talk page, where it is NOT related to the article and not intended to be on the article talk page is an impermissible refactoring. Please review WP:TPNO and WP:TPO. The only reason I did not remove my comment from the article talk page is that you had "responded" in some fashion. By hatting it, readers can look at your remark and have some context for the remark. – S. Rich ( talk) 07:01, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
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Do you have specific evidence that VictorD7 is engaged in paid editing, in particular with respect to economic inequality in the United States? If so, please submit it to the ArbCom or to the WMF. If not, making that claim on article talk pages is inflammatory. Robert McClenon ( talk) 21:40, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
That is biased editing (in my opinion). It is not, on its face, paid editing. We are required to assume good faith. VictorD7 has provided many diffs where you claimed that he was doing paid editing. Karl Marx, who was a lousy economist but a good theorist of history, offered a concept of false consciousness, where a class misunderstands their own class interests. A horrible example in the United States was the Ku Klux Klan, in which rich white Southerners persuaded poor white Southerners that the cause of their poverty was black Southerners. Tens of thousands were lynched, and millions were kept at the bottom by Jim Crow conditions. The actual cause of the poverty of poor white Southerners was excessive economic inequality, with the wealth concentrated in the rich white Southerners who founded the Klan. The comparable phenomenon in Russia at the same time was official anti-Semitism, sponsored by the tsar's secret police, which blamed the poverty of poor Russians on the Jews, rather than on the semi-feudal economy. I think that the Tea Party movement is a twenty-first-century example. The Koch brothers and other wealthy sponsors of the movement have persuaded a significant minority of Americans that all wealthy people are "job creators" and that all taxes are inherently "job-destroying". Those who support the Tea Party movement, or who argue that taxes are progressive for the top 1%, are more likely to have been misled (honestly) than to be guilty of paid editing. The allegation of paid editing is a very strong personal attack. I happen to mostly agree with you on inequality, but we have to assume good faith. Robert McClenon ( talk) 16:30, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Ellen, I wonder if you'ld be willing to enter into a conversation with me concerning progressive taxes? There are some issues that need clarification. If you're up for it, I'ld appreciate it if you could send me a message. Much thanks, LK ( talk) 03:50, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Victor, please refrain from cluttering the internet with the pathological walls of text resulting from your choice to harbor a contradiction. If you want to talk to me about this further, please ping me on your talk page instead of writing on mine. Thank you. EllenCT ( talk) 22:03, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm seeing that in many places you're reinserting material that was discussed a while ago and consensus at that time was not to include. You've done this on images and text. This is not appropriate. If you have new sources, then please discuss them showing the specifics that address the issues from prior discussion (e.g. if the dispute was over SYN, then show the text in the new source that directly supports the statement so we can in-text attribute it to the source). Otherwise, it just looks like WP:IDHT and waiting months for people to leave and trying to sneak it back in when no one is looking. You need to move on if you don't get your way, not rehash the same debates and disrupt the articles by reinserting contested material. Morphh (talk) 01:58, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
Your understanding of the MOS guidance at WP:LEAD is not correct. We are not to duplicate entire paragraphs or broad swatches of the body in the lead section. It is to be a summary. Your linking to an essay does not change that.
From WP:LEAD : "The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points—including any prominent controversies."
The quote removed was a cut and paste duplication of a paragraph from the main body. That never is allowed. It is also why Ubikwit shortened the deleted paragraph and put in one sentence in its place. Sorry that you misunderstood. Capitalismojo ( talk) 10:58, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
(Copied from User talk:Capitalismojo) EllenCT ( talk) 01:41, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
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@EllenCT & @VictorD7 I note edits such as this and this are more about content than conduct. While we normally prefer content discussions to conduct in most places, an Arbcom case is one of the few places where conduct, rather than content, should be discussed. Please stop the content dispute on the workshop page.-- S Philbrick (Talk) 16:25, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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I'm copying a note I just left for you at User talk:Kingofaces43 in the "Questions about deletions" section, to make sure you see it. I was surprised to find out that you are the subject of ArbCom proceedings, and your interactions with Kingofaces were recently cited there by a third party as part of the evidence of a pattern of disruptive editing. Coming to the Talk page of an editor whom you have directly queried about COI, as you did here and whom you seem to have directly accused of COI and paid advocacy in this edit note, and then asking about their personal view on discussions of astroturfing, looks somewhat like harassment and will not help you at Arbcom. For what it is worth, you should take the discussion at Arbcom as a wake-up call to change, and to work very carefully to focus on content, not contributors. Jytdog ( talk) 12:30, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Continuing the discussion at User talk:Kingofaces43 in the "Questions about deletions" section, here, instead of there. I am not attempting a personal attack I am describing your behavior. You are making mistakes in discussing the science and characterizing the source. I make mistakes all the time, and when I learn about them because other people point them out, or if I catch them myself, I acknowledge the mistake and if it means my argument changes or falls apart, and I acknowledge that too, and proceed accordingly. Pretending it didn't happen, "standing by" your edits, and just shifting your ground like you are doing here, frustrates other editors and costs you credibility. It is not strength, it is weakness. You will do as you like. People will treat your edits accordingly. Again, being brought up at Arbcom is a huge deal - you are in serious danger of facing editing restrictions based on your behavior. You seem oblivious to that although you have been told several times that the behavior of you and other editors is under scrutiny, not the content you have been arguing about. I again advise you to take it as a wakeup call and to change your behavior. Changing topic to discuss how you are characterizing the reference.... You persist in mischaracterizing the reference. It it characterized by both medline and pubmed (click on publication types) as a "review", and the quote you offered from the abstract just provides just part of what the review accomplishes. It is a review - a secondary source. The journal in which it is published is plenty respectable and does peer review. I am copying the discussion of the source, to the article Talk page. Jytdog ( talk) 07:08, 13 June 2014 (UTC) (copyedit (shown in underline) to clarify that discussion of the reference is separate topic from kind of behavior that were being discussed. Jytdog ( talk) 11:39, 13 June 2014 (UTC))
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Hello, Ellen! I have noticed you are interested in topics like economic inequality and public policies to mitigate such inequality. Are you familiar with Lane Kenworthy? I started a stub on him recently and was wondering about expanding the article, maybe into a DYK article. He has recently published the book Social Democratic America, previously he has published books like Egalitarian Capitalism and Progress for the Poor. There is an interview with him about his last book in WP: This sociologist has a plan to make America more like Sweden. If you are interested you are most welcome to participate in expanding the article; there isn't any edit wars or other problems over there so there should be a great chance for peaceful and constructive editing. Kind regards, Iselilja ( talk) 05:47, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
You made this edit and used as justification a talk page discussion which indicated the content you inserted was not supported by a reliable source and probably WP:SYN. How do you justify adding this into another article? Your source makes no mention that government investment in education has positive returns. I'm having a hard time assuming good faith on your part. Mattnad ( talk) 15:32, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
@ Mattnad: Secondary peer reviewed source from 1973, secondary peer reviewed source from 2010, popular treatment, long read popular treatment, left-wing, centrist, right-wing, policy response. Now it's your turn. What did you come up with in years compared to what took me less than a day, and what does that say about our relative WP:COMPETENCE? EllenCT ( talk) 02:39, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
-- Ubikwit 連絡 見学/迷惑 18:01, 26 January 2014 (UTC)Because we are looking at the investment and return from the country’s viewpoint, all incomes are calculated at gross income, including the taxes, which flow to the government.
Keeping in mind that articles get improved by civil discussions on the article talk pages, I suggest that the citations and analysis of them be posted on that page. Remarks about good faith, competence, POV, etc., are infringing on NPA. – S. Rich ( talk) 04:18, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
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I saw your post on Arbcom about Austrian/Misesian economics. I recommend you read today's New York Times -- the Sunday edition, no less -- for more about Austrian economics central, the Ludwig von Mises Institute. The article was about Rand Paul, but about 1/3 to 1/2 of it involved the Mises Institute (the most detailed investigation of that outfit I've seen in RS thus far).
Some highlights: "scholars affiliated with the Mises Institute have combined dark biblical prophecy with apocalyptic warnings that the nation is plunging toward economic collapse and cultural ruin. Others have championed the Confederacy."
"[Mises Institute Senior fellow] Thomas E. Woods Jr. was a co-author of “Who Killed the Constitution?,” which denounced the Supreme Court decision desegregating schools, Brown v. Board of Education, as “a dizzying display of judicial imperialism.”
"Mr. Rothbard applauded the “right-wing populism” of David Duke, a former Ku Klux Klan member who ran for governor of Louisiana, and ridiculed “multiculturalists,” lesbians and “the entire panoply of feminism, egalitarianism.”
"[Mises Institute Senior Fellow] Walter Block ... described slavery as “not so bad,” is also highly critical of the Civil Rights Act. “Woolworth’s had lunchroom counters, and no blacks were allowed,” he said in a telephone interview. “Did they have a right to do that? Yes, they did. No one is compelled to associate with people against their will.” Steeletrap ( talk) 23:47, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
This one.-- Ubikwit 連絡 見学/迷惑 15:23, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
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10:18, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
EllenCT, I know we've locked horns more than once, I'm writing you this note because you're heading down a path that won't be positive to you and I think you have, and can add, a lot of value to the encyclopedia. You are clearly well read and intelligent. However, your presumption that resistance to your editing come from extremism, and how you're going about lobbying for support, are not helping your case.
Here's my impression of your motivation. You would like to apply a more academic approach to some topics using abstract economic theories. To me, it almost seems as if you are working on an academic thesis in some articles.
The issue for me, and some other editors, is that an encyclopedia is not about abstract economic ideas (except for articles covering those ideas in particular). When it comes to more general topics, we focus on standard, directly referenced, material. So, while some concepts your introducing into the progressive tax article (as an example) might be perfectly fine for an academic exploration [154], they're out of scope or represent original research in several instances.
There's a ton of work to be done, just improving articles using standard reliable sources. Would you consider taking a break from bringing in primary research concepts, and focus more for a while on meat and potatoes material?
I recall from your User page that you were working with an academic adviser who is familiar with Wikipedia. If you trust this person, it might be helpful to get his or her POV on how you're approaching things. The way it's going, you will find yourself increasingly an outsider and potential subject to a topic ban request. Mattnad ( talk) 14:29, 24 February 2014 (UTC)
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This topic is independently notable? Then why has it only got one sentence? – Smyth\ talk 11:30, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
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09:20, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Ellen. I found your name from a link at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Closure_review_archive. What is the usaul procedure for requesting a review of an RFC discussion closure? I recently posted an <admin help> request tag on my talk page to ask for help, and mentioned that I had tried to request a closure review at WP:AN but there'd been no review and my post had been archived after 48 hours. An admin responded to my admin help tag, saying in essence that I should just move on. That didn't really answer my question (ie, what is the procedure to ensure that a review is done). Since you've been through the process before, can you tell me what the steps are? Dezastru ( talk) 01:06, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
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08:00, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Hi, you really need to stop this sort of thing. As far as I can recall, you and I have had no interaction other than my objection to a topic ban proposal made by you at ANI a couple of days ago in an unrelated thread. However, I've been watching from afar and there is no doubt in my mind that you are not here for any purpose other than to right what you perceive to be Great Wrongs. Please can you review WP:NPOV and WP:CONSENSUS, as others have asked you to do in the past. If you cannot handle the issues as outlined in those pages then Wikipedia is probably not the place for you. That you have a clear political position seems not to be in doubt and you are entitled to hold it; what you are not entitled to do here is tendentiously promote it, so please go do that somewhere else. - Sitush ( talk) 03:51, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
I do not accept your premise that anything at Talk:Progressive tax suggests that my position has diverged from the peer reviewed WP:SECONDARY sources. I will not play your WP:TAGTEAM games or accept your advice until you have shown that you understand the rules of improving the encyclopedia and the words that you choose. EllenCT ( talk) 06:20, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
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You may be interested in the discussion at Talk:United States#Scientific Study that has determined the US is an oligarchy. TheVirginiaHistorian ( talk) 08:19, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
See the Globalization talk page. I do not have time to deal with your bias over USEIA and do not appreciate your attitude toward other editors. Meclee ( talk) 12:58, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
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I gave you two fair warnings. VictorD7 ( talk) 08:35, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
You said: "VictorD7 isn't it true that you've repeatedly attempted to insert statements paid for by the Peter G. Peterson Foundation claiming that US taxes are progressive..?"
1. List these alleged "statements"; quote them.
2. Define "paid for". VictorD7 ( talk) 17:51, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Explain precisely what you mean by "paid for". VictorD7 ( talk) 18:44, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
These loaded questions are not helpful. A wise man once said "Can't we all just get along?" – S. Rich ( talk) 05:07, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Ellen, people have been accused of paid editing here, so instead of me hazarding a guess, just tell me what you mean. VictorD7 ( talk) 06:16, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
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08:34, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Please note that the proper procedure for challenging the closure of a discussion is laid out Wikipedia:Closing_discussions#Challenging_other_closures. You should revert the edit. Thank you. – S. Rich ( talk) 23:42, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
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I'd like to speak to you about the evidence you have presented. You have supplied only a single diff, and placed it under a section title that is rather inflammatory. I wonder if you would consider both changing the section title to something less insulting and perhaps compiling a bit more evidence to support your position. I can't see anyone accepting your premise that the single edit you provided convincingly proves incompetence to the point where the user is unsuited for editing Wikipedia, and it is important to maintain decorum and civility when trying to resolve contentious issues like these. Beeblebrox ( talk) 15:22, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
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06:00, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
You may want to correct the spelling ("yeild") in the quotation at the beginning of your user page. Grammatical corrections on the page are needed as well.
You might also be well-served by moderating your approach to editing. Not everything someone writes which is contrary to your POV is "fringe" material. Likewise, some of the edits you make are clearly deserving of being considered "fringe" material. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.103.87.166 ( talk) 02:49, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
Hi EllenCT. I made an edit today and that (long story short) led me back here. I just wanted to follow up and clarify my post as it appears by your response that I may not have clearly communicated what I was trying to convey.
When I spoke about "fringe" material, I was referring to material from peer-reviewed secondary sources which are far from the mainstream school of thought. Presenting either extreme POV on a topic, backing it up with secondary sources and characterizing it as representing the consensus of thinking on a topic is not NPOV.
For example, with respect to climate change, there are peer-reviewed secondary sources which maintain that anthropogenic climate change is minimal or non-existent. Likewise there are peer-reviewed secondary sources which support a view that the consequences of anthropogenic climate change are likely to be much worse than the scientific consensus on same. I (personally) consider both of these to be "fringe" views. While anyone is free to agree with either of these extremes, IMO Wikipedia is best served by first presenting research supporting consensus in the field and then (if desired) adding discussion and citations to research which represent and explain views on either extreme of the mainstream school of thought.
I think that your zeal in supporting your valid POV on certain topics leads you to overlook the fact that there are competing albeit equally valid schools of thought at the other extreme. This appears to be behind some disagreements between editors in which the disagreement over content degenerates into ongoing edits by both parties; the issue of behavior then becomes more prominent than the equal presentation of opposing POVs. It's a not uncommon occurrence.
It's not a matter of who may or may not be following the rules. It's a matter of editors of varying POVs recognizing the partiality of their respective viewpoints, respecting the right of other editors to hold opposing POVs and allowing both POVs to be presented as alternatives to each other or even to mainstream schools of thought.
This is just my personal take on what is behind some of the controversy which arises with your edits and the edits of those who disagree with your POV. You're free to take it to heart or not. Again, it's not about the rules of editing, it's about introspection and MUTUAL respect. Happy editing! (And clean up those grammatical errors on your user page! ;} )
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My two bits: if VictorD7 is wrong about the evidence provided, because of whatever reason, then point out how the evidence is wrong. But seeking to argue content on the Arbitration page is not helpful to the community or to you. Thanks. – S. Rich ( talk)
I see a heated discussion here which is largely about content. While discussions about content are welcome on article talk pages, this is an ArbCom case, which specifically excludes pronouncements on content. Please limit your comments to discussions of conduct, which is in the remit of the Committee. ArbCom clerk -- S Philbrick (Talk) 18:17, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
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Here is the response I posted in response to the statement you made here. Rather than disrupt the article talk page any further, I have cut it from the article talk page an am posting it here, striking a portion of my comment, and correcting another portion:
This is absurd.1. You are asking a question about a statement in a talk page thread for another article, not this article. 2. I am not using the word "join". The word is part of the policy I quoted.You might read the policy andnote that it also uses the word "combine". 3. If you have some gripe or concern about the usage of the word in the policy, then bring it up WT:NOR. (Be sure to scan the 59 pages of archives.) But asking for clarification here is disruptive. 4. If youreallyneed assistance in understanding what the SYNTH policy is, try posting a {{ Help}} template on your talk page. Someone will come along and do their best to assist you.
– S. Rich ( talk) 05:55, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
ADDED comment. If you want to remove a comment from your talk page, please feel free to do so. (And you should feel free to remove this added comment.) But taking another editor's comment from one page and posting in on an article talk page, where it is NOT related to the article and not intended to be on the article talk page is an impermissible refactoring. Please review WP:TPNO and WP:TPO. The only reason I did not remove my comment from the article talk page is that you had "responded" in some fashion. By hatting it, readers can look at your remark and have some context for the remark. – S. Rich ( talk) 07:01, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
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07:18, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Do you have specific evidence that VictorD7 is engaged in paid editing, in particular with respect to economic inequality in the United States? If so, please submit it to the ArbCom or to the WMF. If not, making that claim on article talk pages is inflammatory. Robert McClenon ( talk) 21:40, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
That is biased editing (in my opinion). It is not, on its face, paid editing. We are required to assume good faith. VictorD7 has provided many diffs where you claimed that he was doing paid editing. Karl Marx, who was a lousy economist but a good theorist of history, offered a concept of false consciousness, where a class misunderstands their own class interests. A horrible example in the United States was the Ku Klux Klan, in which rich white Southerners persuaded poor white Southerners that the cause of their poverty was black Southerners. Tens of thousands were lynched, and millions were kept at the bottom by Jim Crow conditions. The actual cause of the poverty of poor white Southerners was excessive economic inequality, with the wealth concentrated in the rich white Southerners who founded the Klan. The comparable phenomenon in Russia at the same time was official anti-Semitism, sponsored by the tsar's secret police, which blamed the poverty of poor Russians on the Jews, rather than on the semi-feudal economy. I think that the Tea Party movement is a twenty-first-century example. The Koch brothers and other wealthy sponsors of the movement have persuaded a significant minority of Americans that all wealthy people are "job creators" and that all taxes are inherently "job-destroying". Those who support the Tea Party movement, or who argue that taxes are progressive for the top 1%, are more likely to have been misled (honestly) than to be guilty of paid editing. The allegation of paid editing is a very strong personal attack. I happen to mostly agree with you on inequality, but we have to assume good faith. Robert McClenon ( talk) 16:30, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Ellen, I wonder if you'ld be willing to enter into a conversation with me concerning progressive taxes? There are some issues that need clarification. If you're up for it, I'ld appreciate it if you could send me a message. Much thanks, LK ( talk) 03:50, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Victor, please refrain from cluttering the internet with the pathological walls of text resulting from your choice to harbor a contradiction. If you want to talk to me about this further, please ping me on your talk page instead of writing on mine. Thank you. EllenCT ( talk) 22:03, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm seeing that in many places you're reinserting material that was discussed a while ago and consensus at that time was not to include. You've done this on images and text. This is not appropriate. If you have new sources, then please discuss them showing the specifics that address the issues from prior discussion (e.g. if the dispute was over SYN, then show the text in the new source that directly supports the statement so we can in-text attribute it to the source). Otherwise, it just looks like WP:IDHT and waiting months for people to leave and trying to sneak it back in when no one is looking. You need to move on if you don't get your way, not rehash the same debates and disrupt the articles by reinserting contested material. Morphh (talk) 01:58, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
Your understanding of the MOS guidance at WP:LEAD is not correct. We are not to duplicate entire paragraphs or broad swatches of the body in the lead section. It is to be a summary. Your linking to an essay does not change that.
From WP:LEAD : "The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview. It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the topic is notable, and summarize the most important points—including any prominent controversies."
The quote removed was a cut and paste duplication of a paragraph from the main body. That never is allowed. It is also why Ubikwit shortened the deleted paragraph and put in one sentence in its place. Sorry that you misunderstood. Capitalismojo ( talk) 10:58, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
(Copied from User talk:Capitalismojo) EllenCT ( talk) 01:41, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
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@EllenCT & @VictorD7 I note edits such as this and this are more about content than conduct. While we normally prefer content discussions to conduct in most places, an Arbcom case is one of the few places where conduct, rather than content, should be discussed. Please stop the content dispute on the workshop page.-- S Philbrick (Talk) 16:25, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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08:07, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
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07:39, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
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I'm copying a note I just left for you at User talk:Kingofaces43 in the "Questions about deletions" section, to make sure you see it. I was surprised to find out that you are the subject of ArbCom proceedings, and your interactions with Kingofaces were recently cited there by a third party as part of the evidence of a pattern of disruptive editing. Coming to the Talk page of an editor whom you have directly queried about COI, as you did here and whom you seem to have directly accused of COI and paid advocacy in this edit note, and then asking about their personal view on discussions of astroturfing, looks somewhat like harassment and will not help you at Arbcom. For what it is worth, you should take the discussion at Arbcom as a wake-up call to change, and to work very carefully to focus on content, not contributors. Jytdog ( talk) 12:30, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Continuing the discussion at User talk:Kingofaces43 in the "Questions about deletions" section, here, instead of there. I am not attempting a personal attack I am describing your behavior. You are making mistakes in discussing the science and characterizing the source. I make mistakes all the time, and when I learn about them because other people point them out, or if I catch them myself, I acknowledge the mistake and if it means my argument changes or falls apart, and I acknowledge that too, and proceed accordingly. Pretending it didn't happen, "standing by" your edits, and just shifting your ground like you are doing here, frustrates other editors and costs you credibility. It is not strength, it is weakness. You will do as you like. People will treat your edits accordingly. Again, being brought up at Arbcom is a huge deal - you are in serious danger of facing editing restrictions based on your behavior. You seem oblivious to that although you have been told several times that the behavior of you and other editors is under scrutiny, not the content you have been arguing about. I again advise you to take it as a wakeup call and to change your behavior. Changing topic to discuss how you are characterizing the reference.... You persist in mischaracterizing the reference. It it characterized by both medline and pubmed (click on publication types) as a "review", and the quote you offered from the abstract just provides just part of what the review accomplishes. It is a review - a secondary source. The journal in which it is published is plenty respectable and does peer review. I am copying the discussion of the source, to the article Talk page. Jytdog ( talk) 07:08, 13 June 2014 (UTC) (copyedit (shown in underline) to clarify that discussion of the reference is separate topic from kind of behavior that were being discussed. Jytdog ( talk) 11:39, 13 June 2014 (UTC))
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07:13, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
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07:20, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
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06:53, 30 June 2014 (UTC)