Please stop adding that unless you can cite from reputable sources;
and can phrase it in a neutral manner.
Until you have this, we have only your opinion on the matter, which isn't good enough. Thanks. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 18:56, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
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I am not questioning your knowledge of the subject, because whatever knowledge you and I may have is irrelevant. What I am questioning is the information provided in the references, none of which make clear that the red hand referred to is the Red Hand of Ulster. My own researches on the subject have revealed nothing definitive. Cheers! --- RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive' 21:28, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
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Reverting. Regardless of it "being uncontested" that reason doesn't hold up. The reference isn't credible, why cant you accept this? Also the "Norman flag" bit in history was AFTER its usage from the Ó'Neills
- 1) the link backed up only the statement "Red Hand of the O'Neill". 2) There is no historical evidence that the Red Hand was used by the O'Neills prior to its usage by the de Burghs of Ulster.
I've now expanded and sourced it properly. I expect you to stop removing it now using unsupportable claims as your reasoning. Just out of curiousity... anyone who even looks at medieval Irish history can easily follow the logic themselves without needing to see sources:
There is a stark difference between popular myth that for some reason seems to pervade in modern society and what the academics think. Thankfully Wikipedia works best with academia. Mabuska (talk) 23:38, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
unfounded and unproven accusations of source pov from pov editor. Also removing OR synthesis'Peter Berresford Ellis' is a highly respected English historian and a HEAVILY researched article from a department in University College Dublin was more than appropriate as a reference, considering the article itself contained many references of its own contained within. I could have reverted your own obscure references again from 'Clogher Historical Society' early 2000's pamphlet, which could quite rightly be deemed entirely POV, on top of being recent 'theories', as I have yet to see them backed up from elsewhere. I hope it isn't a play, or indeed an abuse of power due to your standing on Wikipedia, over someone not so versed or accolade accredited such as myself, without valid, concise reasons for your reverts. Again these additions to the article from yourself with your referenced sources, are in itself rather suspect and I'm sure over time others will agree with me on this. I don't want it to come to a conclusion were an appropriate neutral administrator should step in, but if need be i'll contact one. Eireabu ( talk) 19:22, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
I've protected this page in order to prevent this edit war resulting in blocks. Edit summaries are no place to discuss edits, take it to the talk page please. I notice there is no attempt to discuss this on the articles talk page. Please use it for this purpose. Canterbury Tail talk 21:43, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
It seems the user Mabuska has an hidden agenda, namely being for the removal of anything new that resembles Gaelic heritage on the symbol- where do you get this misplaced idea from? Is your perceived view of me as being a unionist making you think I am thus anti-Gaelic as that is a stereotype portrayed by some in recent times? I explain the problems with your recent additions at the article talk page where it has absolutely nothing to do with Gaelic heritage. But where am I removing anything that "resembles Gaelic heritage on the symbol"? No-one doubts that it is a symbol routed in Gaelic Ireland's past (maybe even before that but that is only speculation). It is not my fault that the first actual historical documentation of it is its use by the de Burgh's. Indeed when looking through the vast multitude of sources I have on Irish medieval history very few make any mention of the Red Hand or such symbols. Though just to clarify, I feel with some conviction that your objections are entirely based on a perceived irrefutable right of the O'Neills and that no other Irish family can have a possible claim to it! (I have information to add from the 17th-century controversy on this matter).
I've consulted people well versed on the matter and will continue to do so- this is not how Wikipedia works. It works with reliable and verifiable sources, not what people you feel are well versed on the matter think. Mabuska (talk) 18:04, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
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Please stop adding that unless you can cite from reputable sources;
and can phrase it in a neutral manner.
Until you have this, we have only your opinion on the matter, which isn't good enough. Thanks. -- Escape Orbit (Talk) 18:56, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
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I am not questioning your knowledge of the subject, because whatever knowledge you and I may have is irrelevant. What I am questioning is the information provided in the references, none of which make clear that the red hand referred to is the Red Hand of Ulster. My own researches on the subject have revealed nothing definitive. Cheers! --- RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive' 21:28, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an
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Reverting. Regardless of it "being uncontested" that reason doesn't hold up. The reference isn't credible, why cant you accept this? Also the "Norman flag" bit in history was AFTER its usage from the Ó'Neills
- 1) the link backed up only the statement "Red Hand of the O'Neill". 2) There is no historical evidence that the Red Hand was used by the O'Neills prior to its usage by the de Burghs of Ulster.
I've now expanded and sourced it properly. I expect you to stop removing it now using unsupportable claims as your reasoning. Just out of curiousity... anyone who even looks at medieval Irish history can easily follow the logic themselves without needing to see sources:
There is a stark difference between popular myth that for some reason seems to pervade in modern society and what the academics think. Thankfully Wikipedia works best with academia. Mabuska (talk) 23:38, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
unfounded and unproven accusations of source pov from pov editor. Also removing OR synthesis'Peter Berresford Ellis' is a highly respected English historian and a HEAVILY researched article from a department in University College Dublin was more than appropriate as a reference, considering the article itself contained many references of its own contained within. I could have reverted your own obscure references again from 'Clogher Historical Society' early 2000's pamphlet, which could quite rightly be deemed entirely POV, on top of being recent 'theories', as I have yet to see them backed up from elsewhere. I hope it isn't a play, or indeed an abuse of power due to your standing on Wikipedia, over someone not so versed or accolade accredited such as myself, without valid, concise reasons for your reverts. Again these additions to the article from yourself with your referenced sources, are in itself rather suspect and I'm sure over time others will agree with me on this. I don't want it to come to a conclusion were an appropriate neutral administrator should step in, but if need be i'll contact one. Eireabu ( talk) 19:22, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
I've protected this page in order to prevent this edit war resulting in blocks. Edit summaries are no place to discuss edits, take it to the talk page please. I notice there is no attempt to discuss this on the articles talk page. Please use it for this purpose. Canterbury Tail talk 21:43, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
It seems the user Mabuska has an hidden agenda, namely being for the removal of anything new that resembles Gaelic heritage on the symbol- where do you get this misplaced idea from? Is your perceived view of me as being a unionist making you think I am thus anti-Gaelic as that is a stereotype portrayed by some in recent times? I explain the problems with your recent additions at the article talk page where it has absolutely nothing to do with Gaelic heritage. But where am I removing anything that "resembles Gaelic heritage on the symbol"? No-one doubts that it is a symbol routed in Gaelic Ireland's past (maybe even before that but that is only speculation). It is not my fault that the first actual historical documentation of it is its use by the de Burgh's. Indeed when looking through the vast multitude of sources I have on Irish medieval history very few make any mention of the Red Hand or such symbols. Though just to clarify, I feel with some conviction that your objections are entirely based on a perceived irrefutable right of the O'Neills and that no other Irish family can have a possible claim to it! (I have information to add from the 17th-century controversy on this matter).
I've consulted people well versed on the matter and will continue to do so- this is not how Wikipedia works. It works with reliable and verifiable sources, not what people you feel are well versed on the matter think. Mabuska (talk) 18:04, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
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