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Hi, thanks for your message. The allegation you made is extremely unlikely to be correct and the reasons on the prod notice are legitimate concerns.To put things in context; about 2000 articles are deleted every week on Wikipedia
The main problem I noticed with the article is that a lot of the references are dead links so those need to be fixed or replaced, also the article does not make clear enough that he passes any of the criteria of WP:Musicbio. Anyone is allowed to remove the Proposed Deletion notice for any/no reason and that will stop the proposed deletion process, then the article would probably be nominated for WP:AFD where a discussion would take place for 1-3 weeks to decide whether to keep or delete at which anyone can take part in the discussion. thanks Atlantic306 ( talk) 18:10, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you both for suggestions for improvement. Although Troutman has accused Peter Pattern of coi, I brought his attention to this discussion, so he / other editors could address you requests
Gentlemen, three questions:
1. My name is Michael, Arad's manager, and therefore do not edit his articles. Is it ok if I ask an editor-frnd to edit the draft (I already before asked my frnd Peter Pattern)?
2. Does the following notability specifics seem fair as to be incorporated within the draft:
Subject meets notability in following sections:
WP:GNG
Non trivial and objective coverage by reliable sources such as: ynet.com, Jewish Week, All About Jazz (article) and Israel Times.
WP:MUSICBIO (Although single section notability is sufficient, subject meets notability in 4 different sections)
Section1: Multiple Reliable Publications:
● http://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/4182867 ● https://www.allaboutjazz.com/sketches-of-imaginary-landscapes-kobi-arad-self-produced-review-by-glenn-astarita.php?width=412 ● http://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/for-jewish-artists-a-space-of-ones-own/
Section 6: Several of Kobi Arad's projects, featured several notable musicians:
● 'Sufi Songs' Trio featuring Bob Moses ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Moses_(musician) and Cecil Mcbee ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_McBee)
Sources:
- https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/community_feed/jazz_pianist_kobi_arad_a_career_overview.html
● Grammy Awards- Claes Nobel Team Participating Notable musicians: Wouter Kellerman, Brent Fischer, Robert Margouleff, Mickey Stevenson, Ganda Boys
Sources: - http://fmwebtv.com/TheForgottenPeople/ - https://article.wn.com/view/2017/01/24/Kobi_Arad_Performs_with_Members_of_Israeli_Orchestra_in_Tel_/ - https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/community_feed/jazz_pianist_kobi_arad_a_career_overview.html
Section 7:
● Arad is a world-wide authority in the Third Stream style, as he is the first and only (as of 2012) musician to earn doctorate in the field.
Sources: - Letter from Dean of New England Conservatory of Music to Kobi Arad (dating 2012): https://issuu.com/kobiarad/docs/novak_letter - https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_stream
- http://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/4182867
Section 9:
Arad participted in multitude of interviews which featured panel discussions, airplay and interviews in Israeli National Radio, IBA ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Broadcasting_Authority).
Sources:
- http://www.tunedloud.com/2017/07/05/kobi-arad-ellington-upside-down-as-a-musical-portrait-of-the-jazz-titan/ - https://issuu.com/zmiralu/docs/selection (Letter from Iba editor Zmira Luzki) - https://issuu.com/acum9/docs/5_7_1_ (BMI international airplay statements) - https://issuu.com/acum9/docs/9 (BMI international airplay statements)
3. In case the requirements are fulfilled (links are alive, and you find #2 satisfactory, are you going to be willing to assist in living the draft and unsalt 'Kobi Arad' article?
Thanks :=)
I appreciate both of your feedbacks.
FYI confronted Troutman with similar questions, to which he replied in cold manner, ignored notability specifics, and discouraed from attempting to edit ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chris_troutman#/talk/33). I am worried he would continue to place obstacles. It seems he is just doesnt like the subject.
Anyhow, I shall contact admin / Beaurrocrat BD2412, who edited and reviewed French translation favorably before it was deleted, to ask his opinion re notability specifics and unsalting the article,
Thanks :=)
Deskford: There are new articles and new evidence for notability. Just because a subject did not meet notability due to either poor editing / poor sourcing in the past, doesnt mean it should be ignored at the present. Please refer to notability specifics. Anyhow, if no response from you, assume you prefer staying out of this, but dont oppose other administrator unsalting this page,
Thanks :=)
Hello, Ee212, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:
You may also want to take the Wikipedia Adventure, an interactive tour that will help you learn the basics of editing Wikipedia. You can visit The Teahouse to ask questions or seek help.
Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or , and a volunteer should respond shortly. Again, welcome! Atlantic306 ( talk) 17:59, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your message. The allegation you made is extremely unlikely to be correct and the reasons on the prod notice are legitimate concerns.To put things in context; about 2000 articles are deleted every week on Wikipedia
The main problem I noticed with the article is that a lot of the references are dead links so those need to be fixed or replaced, also the article does not make clear enough that he passes any of the criteria of WP:Musicbio. Anyone is allowed to remove the Proposed Deletion notice for any/no reason and that will stop the proposed deletion process, then the article would probably be nominated for WP:AFD where a discussion would take place for 1-3 weeks to decide whether to keep or delete at which anyone can take part in the discussion. thanks Atlantic306 ( talk) 18:10, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
Thank you both for suggestions for improvement. Although Troutman has accused Peter Pattern of coi, I brought his attention to this discussion, so he / other editors could address you requests
Gentlemen, three questions:
1. My name is Michael, Arad's manager, and therefore do not edit his articles. Is it ok if I ask an editor-frnd to edit the draft (I already before asked my frnd Peter Pattern)?
2. Does the following notability specifics seem fair as to be incorporated within the draft:
Subject meets notability in following sections:
WP:GNG
Non trivial and objective coverage by reliable sources such as: ynet.com, Jewish Week, All About Jazz (article) and Israel Times.
WP:MUSICBIO (Although single section notability is sufficient, subject meets notability in 4 different sections)
Section1: Multiple Reliable Publications:
● http://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/4182867 ● https://www.allaboutjazz.com/sketches-of-imaginary-landscapes-kobi-arad-self-produced-review-by-glenn-astarita.php?width=412 ● http://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/for-jewish-artists-a-space-of-ones-own/
Section 6: Several of Kobi Arad's projects, featured several notable musicians:
● 'Sufi Songs' Trio featuring Bob Moses ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Moses_(musician) and Cecil Mcbee ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cecil_McBee)
Sources:
- https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/community_feed/jazz_pianist_kobi_arad_a_career_overview.html
● Grammy Awards- Claes Nobel Team Participating Notable musicians: Wouter Kellerman, Brent Fischer, Robert Margouleff, Mickey Stevenson, Ganda Boys
Sources: - http://fmwebtv.com/TheForgottenPeople/ - https://article.wn.com/view/2017/01/24/Kobi_Arad_Performs_with_Members_of_Israeli_Orchestra_in_Tel_/ - https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/community_feed/jazz_pianist_kobi_arad_a_career_overview.html
Section 7:
● Arad is a world-wide authority in the Third Stream style, as he is the first and only (as of 2012) musician to earn doctorate in the field.
Sources: - Letter from Dean of New England Conservatory of Music to Kobi Arad (dating 2012): https://issuu.com/kobiarad/docs/novak_letter - https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_stream
- http://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/4182867
Section 9:
Arad participted in multitude of interviews which featured panel discussions, airplay and interviews in Israeli National Radio, IBA ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Broadcasting_Authority).
Sources:
- http://www.tunedloud.com/2017/07/05/kobi-arad-ellington-upside-down-as-a-musical-portrait-of-the-jazz-titan/ - https://issuu.com/zmiralu/docs/selection (Letter from Iba editor Zmira Luzki) - https://issuu.com/acum9/docs/5_7_1_ (BMI international airplay statements) - https://issuu.com/acum9/docs/9 (BMI international airplay statements)
3. In case the requirements are fulfilled (links are alive, and you find #2 satisfactory, are you going to be willing to assist in living the draft and unsalt 'Kobi Arad' article?
Thanks :=)
I appreciate both of your feedbacks.
FYI confronted Troutman with similar questions, to which he replied in cold manner, ignored notability specifics, and discouraed from attempting to edit ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chris_troutman#/talk/33). I am worried he would continue to place obstacles. It seems he is just doesnt like the subject.
Anyhow, I shall contact admin / Beaurrocrat BD2412, who edited and reviewed French translation favorably before it was deleted, to ask his opinion re notability specifics and unsalting the article,
Thanks :=)
Deskford: There are new articles and new evidence for notability. Just because a subject did not meet notability due to either poor editing / poor sourcing in the past, doesnt mean it should be ignored at the present. Please refer to notability specifics. Anyhow, if no response from you, assume you prefer staying out of this, but dont oppose other administrator unsalting this page,
Thanks :=)