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Hello, Echezuria!
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Theroadislong I must say, I am at a loss as to why you believe that the subject is not deemed worthy of Wikipedia page, when the subject is a known figure, having featured in a number of films. Granted he is no Tom Hanks. This is not a rant but wanting to learn from this and add correct information in wikipedia (all of which that was added is factual). When one does a search on google, and even before you fully type the subject's name, the phrase "Sal Job Actor" comes up. Clearly demonstrating that the subject is a known figure.
The one that we are really at a loss to comprehend why "IMDb" is not being accepted as reference, as they are the trusted reference site for the film industry. Can you therefore point me in the right direction so I can reference the subjects acting career?
I followed the example of other high profile pages for actors like Tom Cruise and Tom Hanks, both of whom use IMDb as references, examples below.
/info/en/?search=Tom_Cruise#cite_note-29 /info/en/?search=Tom_Cruise#cite_note-59
I also deleted the subject's website, so it would not be seen that wikipedia was being used as a page to promote the subject. I note that many Wikipedia entries have the subject's website.
Your help and guidance will be greatly appreciated. Echezuria ( talk) 18:37, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Theroadislong Thank you once again for your valued advice and guidance. I will reference other sources and show that the subject is, a notable subject. I will in deed look for other references, to reference the subject and resubmit. I will follow your opinion on IMDb and not reference IMDb. In saying that, I am struggling to comprehend why IMDb is not a trusted source for you, when it is widely used within wikipedia as source reference. In fact I have ran a search on the wikipedia site (site:wikipedia.org IMDb) and according to google, the word "IMDb" is used in wikipedia.org 291,000,000 times. Once again, I am not looking to be controversial, I just want to understand why I am being penalised for referencing IMDb, when it is so widely used within wikipedia itself as reference material. And as I stated previously, I looked at popular pages in wikipedia, so as to follow best standards. Echezuria ( talk) 23:23, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello Echezuria. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, such as the edit you made to Draft:Sal Jobe, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially egregious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat SEO.
Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists, and if it does not, from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.
Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the
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09:07, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
( talk) I am not receiving compensation directly or indirectly for this. The question that I am struggling to understand is why I am not allowed to reference IMDb, when it is so widely used within Wikipedia itself. Having said this, in order to comply to Wikipedia and the advice I am being given here, I will omit those reference Echezuria ( talk) 09:51, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
( talk) Thank you for your sound advice. I won't mention the dreaded IMDb again ...oops I just did :-)) Will redraft and fingers crossed, it will pass the test and be published and make Wikipedia a better place.
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Hello, Echezuria!
Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the
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Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there!
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18:31, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
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Theroadislong I must say, I am at a loss as to why you believe that the subject is not deemed worthy of Wikipedia page, when the subject is a known figure, having featured in a number of films. Granted he is no Tom Hanks. This is not a rant but wanting to learn from this and add correct information in wikipedia (all of which that was added is factual). When one does a search on google, and even before you fully type the subject's name, the phrase "Sal Job Actor" comes up. Clearly demonstrating that the subject is a known figure.
The one that we are really at a loss to comprehend why "IMDb" is not being accepted as reference, as they are the trusted reference site for the film industry. Can you therefore point me in the right direction so I can reference the subjects acting career?
I followed the example of other high profile pages for actors like Tom Cruise and Tom Hanks, both of whom use IMDb as references, examples below.
/info/en/?search=Tom_Cruise#cite_note-29 /info/en/?search=Tom_Cruise#cite_note-59
I also deleted the subject's website, so it would not be seen that wikipedia was being used as a page to promote the subject. I note that many Wikipedia entries have the subject's website.
Your help and guidance will be greatly appreciated. Echezuria ( talk) 18:37, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Theroadislong Thank you once again for your valued advice and guidance. I will reference other sources and show that the subject is, a notable subject. I will in deed look for other references, to reference the subject and resubmit. I will follow your opinion on IMDb and not reference IMDb. In saying that, I am struggling to comprehend why IMDb is not a trusted source for you, when it is widely used within wikipedia as source reference. In fact I have ran a search on the wikipedia site (site:wikipedia.org IMDb) and according to google, the word "IMDb" is used in wikipedia.org 291,000,000 times. Once again, I am not looking to be controversial, I just want to understand why I am being penalised for referencing IMDb, when it is so widely used within wikipedia itself as reference material. And as I stated previously, I looked at popular pages in wikipedia, so as to follow best standards. Echezuria ( talk) 23:23, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
Hello Echezuria. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, such as the edit you made to Draft:Sal Jobe, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially egregious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat SEO.
Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists, and if it does not, from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.
Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the
Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at
User:Echezuria. The template {{
Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Echezuria|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}
. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message.
John from Idegon (
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09:07, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
( talk) I am not receiving compensation directly or indirectly for this. The question that I am struggling to understand is why I am not allowed to reference IMDb, when it is so widely used within Wikipedia itself. Having said this, in order to comply to Wikipedia and the advice I am being given here, I will omit those reference Echezuria ( talk) 09:51, 10 December 2019 (UTC)
( talk) Thank you for your sound advice. I won't mention the dreaded IMDb again ...oops I just did :-)) Will redraft and fingers crossed, it will pass the test and be published and make Wikipedia a better place.
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Hi Echezuria! You created a thread called Archival by
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Hello, Echezuria. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, " Sal Jobe".
In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.
Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz Read! Talk! 16:11, 23 December 2020 (UTC)