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1." Timurids", in Encyclopædia Britannica, Online Edition, 2007. Qotation: "Timurid dynasty (fl. 15th–16th century AD), Turkic dynasty descended from the conqueror Timur (Tamerlane), renowned for its brilliant revival of artistic and intellectual life in Iran and Central Asia."
2." Babur", in Encyclopædia Britannica, Online Edition, 2007. Quotation: "Babur came from the Barlas tribe of Mongol origin, but isolated members of the tribe had become Turks in language and manners through long residence in Turkish regions. Hence Babur, though called a Mughal, drew most of his support from Turks, and the empire he founded was Turkish in character."
3."Central Asia, history of Timur", in Encyclopædia Britannica, Online Edition, 2007., Quotation: "... Timur first united under his leadership the Turko-Mongol tribes located in the basins of the two rivers...."
4." Islamic world", in Encyclopædia Britannica, Online Edition, 2007. Quotation: "Timur (Tamerlane) was a Turk, not a Mongol; but he aimed to restore Mongol power. He was born a Muslim in the Syrdarya valley and served local pagan Mongol warriors and finally the Chagatai heir-apparent; but he rebelled and made himself ruler in Khwarezm in 1380. He planned to restore Mongol supremacy under a thoroughly Islamic program."
5." Timur", The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001-05. Quotation:"Timur or Tamerlane, c.1336–1405, Mongol conqueror, b. Kesh, near Samarkand. He is also called Timur Leng [Timur the lame]. He was the son of a tribal leader, and he claimed (apparently for the first time in 1370) to be a descendant of Jenghiz Khan. With an army composed of Turks and Turkic-speaking Mongols, remnants of the empire of the Mongols, Timur spent his early military career in subduing his rivals in what is now Turkistan; by 1369 he firmly controlled the entire area from his capital at Samarkand...."
6. Gérard Chaliand, Nomadic Empires: From Mongolia to the Danube translated by A. M. Berrett, Transaction Publishers, 2004. (see p.75)
7. Jean-Paul Roux's "Historie des Turks - Deux mille ans du Pacifique á la Méditerranée", Librairie Arthème Fayard, 2000" or Gérard Chaliand's book "Les Empires nomades de la Mongolie au Danube, Librairie Académique Perrin, 1995".
Please check these sources before complaining. Regards. E104421 11:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
You still have no consensus on the talk page of Timurid dynasty to chnage the lead. Britinca is a tertiary sources, and as I explained to you in details, PRIMARY sources by known academics that take the mainstream position that Timur was a Mongol, and in Wikipedia primary sources outweight tertiary sources. Pleae try to get a consensus with other users on the talk page of the artcile, instead of trying to impose your version by edit-waring.-- 07fan 07:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Dear E104421, I received a Wikified comment for Ili river treaty, would you please look at it and help with wikifaction. The contents comment is fair in respect that the article should be illustrated with a map showing Western Turkic Kaganate and Eastern Turkic Kaganate states after the treaty. Would you please assist in adding the map(s). Barefact 10:16, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Why did you ignore my comments, and made blind reverts to the Timurids again? Please read Wikipedia:Consensus, and try to to engage other editors on the talk page and get a consensus instead of imposing your version by edit-waring.-- 07fan 12:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Encyclopedia of Asian History: "Although Timur was a descendant of a Mongolian tribe, he and his followers, like the other members of the Mongol ruling class in western Asia, spoke Turkic." -- 07fan 13:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
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That part is needed for context, you just don't cut half of a paragraph when qouting someone. It discusses how Islam was introduced to Turks via Persians.-- 07fan ( talk) 21:25, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
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E104421, I seriously don`t understand your rational for removing `Persian-speaking` from the lead...there is no denying the fact that Hazaras are Persian-speaking, regardless of their Mongolian origin.-- 07fan ( talk) 07:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC).
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You are blind reverting article based on your POV and the only thing that you provide is a link to a third rank website which even its author is not known. You even don't bother yourself to answer the points given in the talk page. Please stop this behavior, if you continue I have no choice other than fill a complaint in ArbCom enforcement page. Take care Pejman47 ( talk) 20:08, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
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E104421, you also reverted the edits of several other editors such as myself, Jagged 85 , Tabletop, with your sweeping revert. Discuss your edits one by one and do not make sweeping reverts of other editors' edits using falsely claiming that everything you're reverting is Tajik's. I had originally added "Persianite" to the lead, not Tajik, and that's just one example. -- 07fan ( talk) 23:45, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
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1." Timurids", in Encyclopædia Britannica, Online Edition, 2007. Qotation: "Timurid dynasty (fl. 15th–16th century AD), Turkic dynasty descended from the conqueror Timur (Tamerlane), renowned for its brilliant revival of artistic and intellectual life in Iran and Central Asia."
2." Babur", in Encyclopædia Britannica, Online Edition, 2007. Quotation: "Babur came from the Barlas tribe of Mongol origin, but isolated members of the tribe had become Turks in language and manners through long residence in Turkish regions. Hence Babur, though called a Mughal, drew most of his support from Turks, and the empire he founded was Turkish in character."
3."Central Asia, history of Timur", in Encyclopædia Britannica, Online Edition, 2007., Quotation: "... Timur first united under his leadership the Turko-Mongol tribes located in the basins of the two rivers...."
4." Islamic world", in Encyclopædia Britannica, Online Edition, 2007. Quotation: "Timur (Tamerlane) was a Turk, not a Mongol; but he aimed to restore Mongol power. He was born a Muslim in the Syrdarya valley and served local pagan Mongol warriors and finally the Chagatai heir-apparent; but he rebelled and made himself ruler in Khwarezm in 1380. He planned to restore Mongol supremacy under a thoroughly Islamic program."
5." Timur", The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition. 2001-05. Quotation:"Timur or Tamerlane, c.1336–1405, Mongol conqueror, b. Kesh, near Samarkand. He is also called Timur Leng [Timur the lame]. He was the son of a tribal leader, and he claimed (apparently for the first time in 1370) to be a descendant of Jenghiz Khan. With an army composed of Turks and Turkic-speaking Mongols, remnants of the empire of the Mongols, Timur spent his early military career in subduing his rivals in what is now Turkistan; by 1369 he firmly controlled the entire area from his capital at Samarkand...."
6. Gérard Chaliand, Nomadic Empires: From Mongolia to the Danube translated by A. M. Berrett, Transaction Publishers, 2004. (see p.75)
7. Jean-Paul Roux's "Historie des Turks - Deux mille ans du Pacifique á la Méditerranée", Librairie Arthème Fayard, 2000" or Gérard Chaliand's book "Les Empires nomades de la Mongolie au Danube, Librairie Académique Perrin, 1995".
Please check these sources before complaining. Regards. E104421 11:59, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
You still have no consensus on the talk page of Timurid dynasty to chnage the lead. Britinca is a tertiary sources, and as I explained to you in details, PRIMARY sources by known academics that take the mainstream position that Timur was a Mongol, and in Wikipedia primary sources outweight tertiary sources. Pleae try to get a consensus with other users on the talk page of the artcile, instead of trying to impose your version by edit-waring.-- 07fan 07:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Dear E104421, I received a Wikified comment for Ili river treaty, would you please look at it and help with wikifaction. The contents comment is fair in respect that the article should be illustrated with a map showing Western Turkic Kaganate and Eastern Turkic Kaganate states after the treaty. Would you please assist in adding the map(s). Barefact 10:16, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Why did you ignore my comments, and made blind reverts to the Timurids again? Please read Wikipedia:Consensus, and try to to engage other editors on the talk page and get a consensus instead of imposing your version by edit-waring.-- 07fan 12:50, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
Encyclopedia of Asian History: "Although Timur was a descendant of a Mongolian tribe, he and his followers, like the other members of the Mongol ruling class in western Asia, spoke Turkic." -- 07fan 13:02, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
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I returned Omega and Status Quo to the list of influences, as you had mentioned. Thanks for brining it to my attention. Lazulilasher ( talk) 01:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
the problem with your edits is that you remove stuff..like the external link. Anyhow I disagree with the ordering and removal of external link. You said you will mention any changes in the talkpage. For good faith I am r.v.'ing to your edit but the ordering and external link is going to be put back in there. But please discuss your edits in the talkpage. I ahve done this as you can see. Regards.-- alidoostzadeh ( talk) 18:55, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
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That part is needed for context, you just don't cut half of a paragraph when qouting someone. It discusses how Islam was introduced to Turks via Persians.-- 07fan ( talk) 21:25, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
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Hi E104421!
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Merhabalar, biz bu kişiyle ne yapacağız bilemiyorum. Hem han, hem bey, hem de atabeg makalelerine saldırıyor. Göründüğü kadarıyla sorunları var, bize saldırarak tatmin oluyor. Umarım yakın zamanda kurtuluruz. Hoşçakalın. -- Chapultepec ( talk) 12:10, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
The references Tajik provided is found in google books. The reference Altai KHan provided( with regards to Bosworth) was false. His reference with regards to Bartold was outdated (80) years. Please don't take it personal. -- alidoostzadeh ( talk) 15:38, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
I also responded on your talk page regarding this WikiProject. Basketball110 has delivered the newsletter below for you at your request. DiligentTerrier and friends 23:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
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You are blind reverting article based on your POV and the only thing that you provide is a link to a third rank website which even its author is not known. You even don't bother yourself to answer the points given in the talk page. Please stop this behavior, if you continue I have no choice other than fill a complaint in ArbCom enforcement page. Take care Pejman47 ( talk) 20:08, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
As a member WikiProject Homeschooling, I thought you might want to look at this. K im u 16:22, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
E104421, you also reverted the edits of several other editors such as myself, Jagged 85 , Tabletop, with your sweeping revert. Discuss your edits one by one and do not make sweeping reverts of other editors' edits using falsely claiming that everything you're reverting is Tajik's. I had originally added "Persianite" to the lead, not Tajik, and that's just one example. -- 07fan ( talk) 23:45, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
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