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How do those two editors qualify as "knowledge Nazis", determining who has a "need" to know something? ← Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:39, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
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Thank you Nil Einne and User 118.209.48.233 for this discussion. DroneB ( talk) 16:05, 4 October 2018 (UTC) |
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Hi DroneB, I am the person who posted a question about intermodulation and human hearing on Science Desk. You responded to a squawk on a talk page created for me, which I assume is about to disappear from the Wikipedia system, as my question is about to roll off into oblivion as new questions are added. To make this easy, I have copied your response here. I hope that is ok to do. Regards.
Taking your numbered points in order-- 1. Nil Einne We have not patched up. He/she has no way to contact me, and I see no reason to contact him/her, other than the talk page he/she posted to. I'm all for obtaining harmonious relationships, but it is for Nil Einne to make a move - after all he/she started it by posting an insulting response (as in 'your question contains misunderstanding and false assumptions.' Without any explanation (none made at the time I squawked), that's just treating the questioner as an idiot. If you were at school, and you asked in good faith a question of the teacher, and you got that sort of response, how would you feel? None too pleased I reckon. Or you asked your boss a question? Same thing. The fact that Nil Einne went off on some bizarre rant some posts by someone else, etc, etc, confirms the intent to insult or perhaps troll. It is human nature that guilt cause a negative reaction to protests and insults, whereas with people who were acting in good faith or made a genuine mistake, its either water off a duck's back, or they don't respond at all. I'm not Wickwack. And if anyone else posts about intermodulation of distortion, the chances of them being me or Wickwack are remote. Wikipedia has been running for years. By now I expect you could find someone has posted on every subject imaginable. To assume two posts on the same subject must both be by the same person is silly. I accept that my further response made answers to my question unlikely, I realized that at the time, but (rightly or wrongly) I thought the likelyhood of getting a useful answer was gone once they started going on about whether or not evolution in humans has stopped. I wish I had not mentioned that evolution had effectively stopped, which for electronically reproduced sound is obvious. It was a matter of trying to salvage the question and hoping someone else would respond. If my squawk against Nil Einne results in him/her thinking twice before insulting questioners again, then I have done everyone including Nil Einne a favor. To assume 2. Detectable IM levels too low to affect perception of direction. Yes.
Do not underestimate the quantity of distortion products produced by intermodulation. As the number of frequencies in the sound source go up, and the order of the non-linearity, the products increase like N-factorial. Each IM product may be at imperceptible level by itself, but there can be so many of them, that the total energy seriously affects the perceived sound. 4. Auto adjustment of human sense sensitivities. I think you are confusing what is called "automatic gain control" by electronic engineers, which is the same as "recruitment" so called by audiologists, with non-linearity. The iris of the eye is not a non-linearity. Neither is the stapedius muscle in the ear, which is part of our in-built automatic volume control. AM radios have, as well as the manual volume control, and automatic gain control. When you tune form one station to another, they all seem to come in at the same level. Without AGC, and AM radio is intolerable to use, because each station will come in at a level depending on distance, transmitter power, present of power lines, etc etc. This doe not make the sound distorted. Its not a non-linearity, no more than the manual volume control.
Regards, OP. 121.44.39.59 ( talk) 03:57, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
The stapedius muscle is very fast. It actually can go from full tension to completely relaxed and back again in milliseconds. But if you are right next to a large gun, 100% stapedius tension isn't enough. Sound vibration reaches the inner ear at a level the hair cells can't cope with, so they "lock up" for a while. The stapedius muscle is very smart - or at least the brain is. Ever noticed that if you are hammering something, it doesn't seem uncomfortably loud, but someone else nearby complains? That's your stapedius muscle working. Your brain knows exactly when the hammer is going to strike, but your friend's brain doesn't. Ever wondered why when you are chatting to a friend, whose head might be a few feet from yours, it seems like you are both talking at the same level, but if you move a few inches from a microphone, it makes a big difference. That's because the mike doesn't have a stapedius muscle. You do, and yours tension up syllable by syllable when you talk, so you don't deafen yourself, even though your mouth is only 3 inches from your ears.
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OK, now I get a turn. :-)
That's way too much text for a caption, messing up the format of the page. Please move most of your comment out of the caption. SinisterLefty ( talk) 17:22, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
The "day/night" wikilink you placed on RD/S probably doesn't go where you think it goes. Spinning Spark 22:40, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
This is informative. I have not gone through the trouble to compare the contributions based on this, but I suspect the score to be significantly positive. I think that further attempts at education in this regard is likely to produce little in the way of positive results. -- Jayron 32 20:09, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
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Request for administrator help: As an involved party I should be allowed to comment here where it states Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section. However the block now applied prevents me doing so. I need either my block lifted long enough to do this, or an e-mail address to use. DroneB ( talk) 18:17, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
DroneB ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
The reader may decide whether my contributions to Wikipedia deserve such flattery as having "precocious knowledge". By no means do I deny making these edits DroneB edit1, DroneB edit2, DroneB Edit3 that are indeed within my field of competence. They are well considered contributions to building Wikipedia that no one has subsequently contested. I suggest that there is still much less-than-glorious work remaining to be done copy checking Wikipedia articles for clear and correct writing, such that more rather than less editing work like this DroneB here is to be encouraged. There seems to be a comment made about my cryptic edit summary here. I welcome any advice about whether a single-character edit that is already identified as a minor edit requires a more verbose edit summary than the one I wrote because to me this seems a non-issue. I can do nothing about the fact that the words ITS and IT'S are spelled differently in the English language of Wikipedia, this is because they mean different things. One is sympathetic to Jayron32 who may have felt unfairly maligned by my edit DroneB here but this is surely no more than he should be able to tolerate. Jayron32's accusation of sockpuppetry has no merit - my Talk page shows that I make no secret about having edited Wikipedia earlier and I do so now ONLY using this name DroneB. A reviewer of this request to be unblocked is welcome to look into any of my contributions that date from my start in July 2018 and it may be possible also to access the number of "Thanks" that have come my way. One of these thanks comes ironically from Jayron32 who believes I am also someone with whom he had a conflict involving Cuddlyable3 and Franamax in 2012. Neither of these past editors is now available to confirm or deny. As well as the return of my editing privilege I ask for reinstatement of my private page that I created 18:36, 16 April 2018 with an image of a bee. DroneB ( talk) 18:38, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Decline reason:
It is abundantly clear that you are the same person as Cuddlyable3 - I have no familiarity with the case at all, and I was convinced within about five minutes of looking into it - and so the operation of this account constitutes block evasion. Until the block on your original account is lifted, you are not permitted to edit here under any account. Yunshui 雲 水 23:33, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
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Hello, DroneB, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:
You may also want to complete the Wikipedia Adventure, an interactive tour that will help you learn the basics of editing Wikipedia. You can visit the Teahouse to ask questions or seek help.
Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or , and a volunteer should respond shortly. Again, welcome! JarrahTree 14:32, 1 May 2018 (UTC)
-- 16:41, Wednesday, July 18, 2018 ( UTC)
Mission 1 | Mission 2 | Mission 3 | Mission 4 | Mission 5 | Mission 6 | Mission 7 |
Say Hello to the World | An Invitation to Earth | Small Changes, Big Impact | The Neutral Point of View | The Veil of Verifiability | The Civility Code | Looking Good Together |
How do those two editors qualify as "knowledge Nazis", determining who has a "need" to know something? ← Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:39, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
Is this the first time you have had a WP user account, or have you previously edited under another username? -- Viennese Waltz 07:35, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Here compacted for convenience are:
Thank you Nil Einne and User 118.209.48.233 for this discussion. DroneB ( talk) 16:05, 4 October 2018 (UTC) |
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
Hi DroneB, I am the person who posted a question about intermodulation and human hearing on Science Desk. You responded to a squawk on a talk page created for me, which I assume is about to disappear from the Wikipedia system, as my question is about to roll off into oblivion as new questions are added. To make this easy, I have copied your response here. I hope that is ok to do. Regards.
Taking your numbered points in order-- 1. Nil Einne We have not patched up. He/she has no way to contact me, and I see no reason to contact him/her, other than the talk page he/she posted to. I'm all for obtaining harmonious relationships, but it is for Nil Einne to make a move - after all he/she started it by posting an insulting response (as in 'your question contains misunderstanding and false assumptions.' Without any explanation (none made at the time I squawked), that's just treating the questioner as an idiot. If you were at school, and you asked in good faith a question of the teacher, and you got that sort of response, how would you feel? None too pleased I reckon. Or you asked your boss a question? Same thing. The fact that Nil Einne went off on some bizarre rant some posts by someone else, etc, etc, confirms the intent to insult or perhaps troll. It is human nature that guilt cause a negative reaction to protests and insults, whereas with people who were acting in good faith or made a genuine mistake, its either water off a duck's back, or they don't respond at all. I'm not Wickwack. And if anyone else posts about intermodulation of distortion, the chances of them being me or Wickwack are remote. Wikipedia has been running for years. By now I expect you could find someone has posted on every subject imaginable. To assume two posts on the same subject must both be by the same person is silly. I accept that my further response made answers to my question unlikely, I realized that at the time, but (rightly or wrongly) I thought the likelyhood of getting a useful answer was gone once they started going on about whether or not evolution in humans has stopped. I wish I had not mentioned that evolution had effectively stopped, which for electronically reproduced sound is obvious. It was a matter of trying to salvage the question and hoping someone else would respond. If my squawk against Nil Einne results in him/her thinking twice before insulting questioners again, then I have done everyone including Nil Einne a favor. To assume 2. Detectable IM levels too low to affect perception of direction. Yes.
Do not underestimate the quantity of distortion products produced by intermodulation. As the number of frequencies in the sound source go up, and the order of the non-linearity, the products increase like N-factorial. Each IM product may be at imperceptible level by itself, but there can be so many of them, that the total energy seriously affects the perceived sound. 4. Auto adjustment of human sense sensitivities. I think you are confusing what is called "automatic gain control" by electronic engineers, which is the same as "recruitment" so called by audiologists, with non-linearity. The iris of the eye is not a non-linearity. Neither is the stapedius muscle in the ear, which is part of our in-built automatic volume control. AM radios have, as well as the manual volume control, and automatic gain control. When you tune form one station to another, they all seem to come in at the same level. Without AGC, and AM radio is intolerable to use, because each station will come in at a level depending on distance, transmitter power, present of power lines, etc etc. This doe not make the sound distorted. Its not a non-linearity, no more than the manual volume control.
Regards, OP. 121.44.39.59 ( talk) 03:57, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
The stapedius muscle is very fast. It actually can go from full tension to completely relaxed and back again in milliseconds. But if you are right next to a large gun, 100% stapedius tension isn't enough. Sound vibration reaches the inner ear at a level the hair cells can't cope with, so they "lock up" for a while. The stapedius muscle is very smart - or at least the brain is. Ever noticed that if you are hammering something, it doesn't seem uncomfortably loud, but someone else nearby complains? That's your stapedius muscle working. Your brain knows exactly when the hammer is going to strike, but your friend's brain doesn't. Ever wondered why when you are chatting to a friend, whose head might be a few feet from yours, it seems like you are both talking at the same level, but if you move a few inches from a microphone, it makes a big difference. That's because the mike doesn't have a stapedius muscle. You do, and yours tension up syllable by syllable when you talk, so you don't deafen yourself, even though your mouth is only 3 inches from your ears.
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OK, now I get a turn. :-)
That's way too much text for a caption, messing up the format of the page. Please move most of your comment out of the caption. SinisterLefty ( talk) 17:22, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
The "day/night" wikilink you placed on RD/S probably doesn't go where you think it goes. Spinning Spark 22:40, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
This is informative. I have not gone through the trouble to compare the contributions based on this, but I suspect the score to be significantly positive. I think that further attempts at education in this regard is likely to produce little in the way of positive results. -- Jayron 32 20:09, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
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Request for administrator help: As an involved party I should be allowed to comment here where it states Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section. However the block now applied prevents me doing so. I need either my block lifted long enough to do this, or an e-mail address to use. DroneB ( talk) 18:17, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
DroneB ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
The reader may decide whether my contributions to Wikipedia deserve such flattery as having "precocious knowledge". By no means do I deny making these edits DroneB edit1, DroneB edit2, DroneB Edit3 that are indeed within my field of competence. They are well considered contributions to building Wikipedia that no one has subsequently contested. I suggest that there is still much less-than-glorious work remaining to be done copy checking Wikipedia articles for clear and correct writing, such that more rather than less editing work like this DroneB here is to be encouraged. There seems to be a comment made about my cryptic edit summary here. I welcome any advice about whether a single-character edit that is already identified as a minor edit requires a more verbose edit summary than the one I wrote because to me this seems a non-issue. I can do nothing about the fact that the words ITS and IT'S are spelled differently in the English language of Wikipedia, this is because they mean different things. One is sympathetic to Jayron32 who may have felt unfairly maligned by my edit DroneB here but this is surely no more than he should be able to tolerate. Jayron32's accusation of sockpuppetry has no merit - my Talk page shows that I make no secret about having edited Wikipedia earlier and I do so now ONLY using this name DroneB. A reviewer of this request to be unblocked is welcome to look into any of my contributions that date from my start in July 2018 and it may be possible also to access the number of "Thanks" that have come my way. One of these thanks comes ironically from Jayron32 who believes I am also someone with whom he had a conflict involving Cuddlyable3 and Franamax in 2012. Neither of these past editors is now available to confirm or deny. As well as the return of my editing privilege I ask for reinstatement of my private page that I created 18:36, 16 April 2018 with an image of a bee. DroneB ( talk) 18:38, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Decline reason:
It is abundantly clear that you are the same person as Cuddlyable3 - I have no familiarity with the case at all, and I was convinced within about five minutes of looking into it - and so the operation of this account constitutes block evasion. Until the block on your original account is lifted, you are not permitted to edit here under any account. Yunshui 雲 水 23:33, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.