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Please read Wikipedia:Tutorial/Formatting to see how bold and italic text can be rendered. Capital letters were only used on old-fashioned display terminals. It's different now. -- Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 20:55, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Re your edits to History of scientific method. A couple of points.
First off, please slow down. if you don't, it will only lead to a sad and bitter experience for you at wikipedia. The articles have been like that for a years now; do you really need to revert *today*? Consider WP:1RR as a guideline. Consider also that you're new, and need to feel your way. Don't rush.
Second, being in 2 edit wars at once is a really bad idea.
Third, re History of scientific method, what I think you're looking for is Scientific foreknowledge in sacred texts William M. Connolley ( talk) 20:52, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
And, I'm afraid, you also need to be aware of WP:3RR William M. Connolley ( talk) 20:53, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Your recent editing history at Cosmology shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.
To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. and History of scientific method - you've been told about this but I think it needs reinforcing. You need to stop now and get agreement for your edits. Note that 3RR is not an entitlement. Dougweller ( talk) 21:30, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Frankly, you appear not to be listening to other Editors. The Bible is not a historical document, otherwise we would all believe that the world was made in seven days - which it clearly wasn't. Nor do we want to keep hearing you are a "Professor", without any supporting evidence. You have been offered help and advice by myself and other Editors and appear to ignore that advice - and once again - please stop "shouting", it does not help in any way. Wikipedia operates to accepted coventions which we all agree to, it is not up to any one individual to change them to his/her point of view. Thank you, David J Johnson ( talk) 10:49, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Dotoree, Please don't shout. I have repeated my note to you from several sections above; you don't have to use CAPS for EMPHASIS. And to repeat the information from the welcome message to you, please read Wikipedia:Tutorial/Formatting to see how bold and italic text can be rendered. In today's notation, CAPS are rude to the recipient. -- Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 12:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Please comment on content and not the contributors here. I asked you several times last week to refrain from comments such as "intentional fraud", "intellectual human rights abuse" and any of the other number of epithets or attacks you have used here. And yet just from today: "intentional fraud", "flagrant violation of human intellectual rights" and "lying" and "How can any adult not understand this? This is like ABC kindergarten logic". Keep it up and I take this to the admin boards to seek corrective actions. I have asked you several times to refrain from personal attacks and uncivil language, this is your last warning on the matter. He iro 21:13, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
RELIABLE: You don't have any reliable primary sources and only very few extremely biased secondary/tertiary sources that are pushing the straw man of biblical cosmology. I've given much better sources of all 3 kinds.
NPOV: You are about as far from neutral as it is possible to get. The most basic and barest level of neutrality would at a minimum include BOTH the ideas I've cited from primary/secondary/tertiary sources and the Babylonian nonsense. MINIMUM. Your arguments basically support the equivalent of identifying the United States as the Soviet Union (esp. since Babylon is routinely condemned as one of the worst agents of evil in the entire Bible. See Isaiah 13, Psalms 137:7-8, Revelation 14:8 for starters).
SECONDARY: I've given a number of secondary scholarly sources. Only a couple VERY obsolete and debunked ones were given for the straw man you are supporting.
NOR: NOTHING I'm saying is original research or new. NOTHING. I've heard this from a variety of pastors, theologians, Christian scientists throughout my life. It's NOTHING NEW, contrary to your unacademic opinions which is against so much available evidence.
WHAT WIKIPEDIA IS/FIVE PILLARS: You and several others have not even begun to follow the "act in good faith" principle of wikipedia and others on these pages. You hurled severe accusations of bias, original research, preaching/soap box and so much other abject nonsense from the very start, none of which are true. Ironically, it is actually you pushing an agenda that doesn't match the facts or the views of so many scholars on this topic. You did not begin to follow your own standards, nor Wikipedia's. That's what has incensed me so much. I have no problem with what Wikipedia is, or its 5 pillars. YOU DO. To agree with you, would be to throw away many things in the wikipedia links you have provided as worthless. There is very little that is objective or factual about your complaints. Dotoree ( talk) 16:40, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
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14:28, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You could also click on the signature button or located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when they said it. Thank you. -- SineBot ( talk) 19:23, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Please read Wikipedia:Tutorial/Formatting to see how bold and italic text can be rendered. Capital letters were only used on old-fashioned display terminals. It's different now. -- Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 20:55, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Re your edits to History of scientific method. A couple of points.
First off, please slow down. if you don't, it will only lead to a sad and bitter experience for you at wikipedia. The articles have been like that for a years now; do you really need to revert *today*? Consider WP:1RR as a guideline. Consider also that you're new, and need to feel your way. Don't rush.
Second, being in 2 edit wars at once is a really bad idea.
Third, re History of scientific method, what I think you're looking for is Scientific foreknowledge in sacred texts William M. Connolley ( talk) 20:52, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
And, I'm afraid, you also need to be aware of WP:3RR William M. Connolley ( talk) 20:53, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Your recent editing history at Cosmology shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.
To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. and History of scientific method - you've been told about this but I think it needs reinforcing. You need to stop now and get agreement for your edits. Note that 3RR is not an entitlement. Dougweller ( talk) 21:30, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
Frankly, you appear not to be listening to other Editors. The Bible is not a historical document, otherwise we would all believe that the world was made in seven days - which it clearly wasn't. Nor do we want to keep hearing you are a "Professor", without any supporting evidence. You have been offered help and advice by myself and other Editors and appear to ignore that advice - and once again - please stop "shouting", it does not help in any way. Wikipedia operates to accepted coventions which we all agree to, it is not up to any one individual to change them to his/her point of view. Thank you, David J Johnson ( talk) 10:49, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Dotoree, Please don't shout. I have repeated my note to you from several sections above; you don't have to use CAPS for EMPHASIS. And to repeat the information from the welcome message to you, please read Wikipedia:Tutorial/Formatting to see how bold and italic text can be rendered. In today's notation, CAPS are rude to the recipient. -- Ancheta Wis (talk | contribs) 12:06, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Please comment on content and not the contributors here. I asked you several times last week to refrain from comments such as "intentional fraud", "intellectual human rights abuse" and any of the other number of epithets or attacks you have used here. And yet just from today: "intentional fraud", "flagrant violation of human intellectual rights" and "lying" and "How can any adult not understand this? This is like ABC kindergarten logic". Keep it up and I take this to the admin boards to seek corrective actions. I have asked you several times to refrain from personal attacks and uncivil language, this is your last warning on the matter. He iro 21:13, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
RELIABLE: You don't have any reliable primary sources and only very few extremely biased secondary/tertiary sources that are pushing the straw man of biblical cosmology. I've given much better sources of all 3 kinds.
NPOV: You are about as far from neutral as it is possible to get. The most basic and barest level of neutrality would at a minimum include BOTH the ideas I've cited from primary/secondary/tertiary sources and the Babylonian nonsense. MINIMUM. Your arguments basically support the equivalent of identifying the United States as the Soviet Union (esp. since Babylon is routinely condemned as one of the worst agents of evil in the entire Bible. See Isaiah 13, Psalms 137:7-8, Revelation 14:8 for starters).
SECONDARY: I've given a number of secondary scholarly sources. Only a couple VERY obsolete and debunked ones were given for the straw man you are supporting.
NOR: NOTHING I'm saying is original research or new. NOTHING. I've heard this from a variety of pastors, theologians, Christian scientists throughout my life. It's NOTHING NEW, contrary to your unacademic opinions which is against so much available evidence.
WHAT WIKIPEDIA IS/FIVE PILLARS: You and several others have not even begun to follow the "act in good faith" principle of wikipedia and others on these pages. You hurled severe accusations of bias, original research, preaching/soap box and so much other abject nonsense from the very start, none of which are true. Ironically, it is actually you pushing an agenda that doesn't match the facts or the views of so many scholars on this topic. You did not begin to follow your own standards, nor Wikipedia's. That's what has incensed me so much. I have no problem with what Wikipedia is, or its 5 pillars. YOU DO. To agree with you, would be to throw away many things in the wikipedia links you have provided as worthless. There is very little that is objective or factual about your complaints. Dotoree ( talk) 16:40, 3 April 2013 (UTC)