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Pointe LaRoche
14:19, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
As I understand that you are a user who was blocked on es.wiki and have some grievances regarding your treatment there. I want to make it clear that they have no place here. You are free to edit this wikipedia despite your block on other but the proper place for you to seek redress is with the dispute resolution processes of that wikipedia, not here. The talkpage of Spanish Wikipedia is not a place for you to rehash old issues or to raise complaints about your treatment - posts not directly related to properly sourced edits to that article will be removed. It is not for the en.wiki article on the es.wiki to criticise how it administers itself. I also strongly caution you against entering into dispute with editors here based on your views of their conduct on es.wiki - this is not acceptable. I hope you will enagage in collegial editing and become a productive member of this community but urge you to leave those grievances at the door (they cannot and will not be resolved here). WjB scribe 18:12, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
-- Dilvish 10 words 16:32, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for compounding the images, I had tried but couldn't achieve a good display. But, may I suggest that the images should be bigger? I could try to enlarge them, but I'm afraid it could become another mess. As I said in the talk page, there are more interesting images avaiable. --Dilvish 10 words 22:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Dear Mr. Dilvish
You say that my correction has no logic, and I invented a phoneme P, while delete or remove a phoneme in B. I am very grateful for their interest and intentions. I am sure that you act in good faith, guided by the literature he read. However, I took many years of my life studying the ancient writings of Iberia, and it is very easy to demonstrate that the writing system used by iberians, actually there is no point that can be compared with a Greek Beta, or Phoenician Beth .
In all systems used by the Iberians scriptures, they never used the letter Beta from Greeks and Etruscans alphabets nor the letter Beth from Phoenicians alphabets. They always used the letter or sign, that all alphabets Greeks, Etruscans, or Phoenicians used to play the phoneme P. And this is an indisputable and scientific evidence, of that they did not have the sound of phoneme B, or having a phoneme whose sound was intermediate between a B and a P, but closer to phoneme P. It is simple common sense...
If they really had the sound of phoneme B, and did not have a sound for the phoneme P (as many scholars still believe erroneously), then the logical thing they had chosen the letter that the Greeks or the Etruscans or the Phoenicians had for the phoneme B. You only should review the writing system of ancient Iberians, and yourself can see that there is no equal sign to the Greek Beta, nor any letter or sign similar to the Phoenician Beth.
The writing system found in Espanca, Portugal, as we see in place that would occupy the phoneme B, they used a letter similar to the Greek Pi. This shows that they did not have a sound equal to phoneme reproducing the Greek Beta, because then they would have used the same sign of the Greek Beta, and not the sign of phoneme Pi, but the fact that they are chosen sign that the Greeks, Etruscans and Pheonicians used to play the phoneme P or Ph, in a second position, corresponding to phoneme B, shows that the ancient Tartessians then, like the Iberians, had a sound that was intermediate between the phoneme B and P phoneme, but closer to the sound of phoneme P.
This theory that I defend, and was discovered earlier by great philologists and linguists of the past, but at present nobody wants to remember, for example, the famous French linguist and philologist, Edouard Philipon, who also was a great expert and connoisseur of the ancient writings and the ancient toponimy, and philology, of the ancient civilizations of Iberia.
I understand that you are going to insist that I show that this is not the same that is officially extended (even though it exposed the evidence with great common sense, logic and scientific rigor). Okay, here you are right. ie, what I exposed is not the same that we read in most major books on Iberian languages. I guess you know it is very difficult to get scientists or experts acknowledge a serious error of interpretation, but as Wikipedia must always be impartial and neutral, then I propose to you a more fair and more neutral, and also respects the policy of Wikipedia, ie, maintaining the official version, and then make a brief paragraph, where I explain this same that I have explained to you, and of course citing the exact source of the work of Edouard Philipon.
The people have a right to know the facts, and reflect on the truth and what is credible, that is a possible misinterpretation, or observation. Always with the guarantees of a neutral and impartial vision.
The people have a right to know that, in really, in the writing system used by the Iberians, from the standpoint of Epigraphy, there is no sign that can compare with any sign used by the Greeks, Phoenicians and Etruscans for the phoneme B, and that in really there is only one letter or sign which is identical to the Greek Pi used by Greeks and Etruscans, and that is the same today that experts read as if it were a sign only for the phoneme B, and a few as a sign for the phoneme B and also for the phoneme P.
Kind Regards, -- Georgeos Díaz-Montexano ( talk) 15:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Dilvish, I tagged those redundant images for speedy deletion. So they might be deleted soon. Thanks -- Sasikiran ( talk) 16:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Welcome!
Hello, Dilvish 10 words, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a
Wikipedian! Please
sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out
Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question and then place {{
helpme}}
before the question on your talk page. Again, welcome! --
Pointe LaRoche
14:19, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
As I understand that you are a user who was blocked on es.wiki and have some grievances regarding your treatment there. I want to make it clear that they have no place here. You are free to edit this wikipedia despite your block on other but the proper place for you to seek redress is with the dispute resolution processes of that wikipedia, not here. The talkpage of Spanish Wikipedia is not a place for you to rehash old issues or to raise complaints about your treatment - posts not directly related to properly sourced edits to that article will be removed. It is not for the en.wiki article on the es.wiki to criticise how it administers itself. I also strongly caution you against entering into dispute with editors here based on your views of their conduct on es.wiki - this is not acceptable. I hope you will enagage in collegial editing and become a productive member of this community but urge you to leave those grievances at the door (they cannot and will not be resolved here). WjB scribe 18:12, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
-- Dilvish 10 words 16:32, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for compounding the images, I had tried but couldn't achieve a good display. But, may I suggest that the images should be bigger? I could try to enlarge them, but I'm afraid it could become another mess. As I said in the talk page, there are more interesting images avaiable. --Dilvish 10 words 22:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Dear Mr. Dilvish
You say that my correction has no logic, and I invented a phoneme P, while delete or remove a phoneme in B. I am very grateful for their interest and intentions. I am sure that you act in good faith, guided by the literature he read. However, I took many years of my life studying the ancient writings of Iberia, and it is very easy to demonstrate that the writing system used by iberians, actually there is no point that can be compared with a Greek Beta, or Phoenician Beth .
In all systems used by the Iberians scriptures, they never used the letter Beta from Greeks and Etruscans alphabets nor the letter Beth from Phoenicians alphabets. They always used the letter or sign, that all alphabets Greeks, Etruscans, or Phoenicians used to play the phoneme P. And this is an indisputable and scientific evidence, of that they did not have the sound of phoneme B, or having a phoneme whose sound was intermediate between a B and a P, but closer to phoneme P. It is simple common sense...
If they really had the sound of phoneme B, and did not have a sound for the phoneme P (as many scholars still believe erroneously), then the logical thing they had chosen the letter that the Greeks or the Etruscans or the Phoenicians had for the phoneme B. You only should review the writing system of ancient Iberians, and yourself can see that there is no equal sign to the Greek Beta, nor any letter or sign similar to the Phoenician Beth.
The writing system found in Espanca, Portugal, as we see in place that would occupy the phoneme B, they used a letter similar to the Greek Pi. This shows that they did not have a sound equal to phoneme reproducing the Greek Beta, because then they would have used the same sign of the Greek Beta, and not the sign of phoneme Pi, but the fact that they are chosen sign that the Greeks, Etruscans and Pheonicians used to play the phoneme P or Ph, in a second position, corresponding to phoneme B, shows that the ancient Tartessians then, like the Iberians, had a sound that was intermediate between the phoneme B and P phoneme, but closer to the sound of phoneme P.
This theory that I defend, and was discovered earlier by great philologists and linguists of the past, but at present nobody wants to remember, for example, the famous French linguist and philologist, Edouard Philipon, who also was a great expert and connoisseur of the ancient writings and the ancient toponimy, and philology, of the ancient civilizations of Iberia.
I understand that you are going to insist that I show that this is not the same that is officially extended (even though it exposed the evidence with great common sense, logic and scientific rigor). Okay, here you are right. ie, what I exposed is not the same that we read in most major books on Iberian languages. I guess you know it is very difficult to get scientists or experts acknowledge a serious error of interpretation, but as Wikipedia must always be impartial and neutral, then I propose to you a more fair and more neutral, and also respects the policy of Wikipedia, ie, maintaining the official version, and then make a brief paragraph, where I explain this same that I have explained to you, and of course citing the exact source of the work of Edouard Philipon.
The people have a right to know the facts, and reflect on the truth and what is credible, that is a possible misinterpretation, or observation. Always with the guarantees of a neutral and impartial vision.
The people have a right to know that, in really, in the writing system used by the Iberians, from the standpoint of Epigraphy, there is no sign that can compare with any sign used by the Greeks, Phoenicians and Etruscans for the phoneme B, and that in really there is only one letter or sign which is identical to the Greek Pi used by Greeks and Etruscans, and that is the same today that experts read as if it were a sign only for the phoneme B, and a few as a sign for the phoneme B and also for the phoneme P.
Kind Regards, -- Georgeos Díaz-Montexano ( talk) 15:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi, Dilvish, I tagged those redundant images for speedy deletion. So they might be deleted soon. Thanks -- Sasikiran ( talk) 16:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)