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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 20:37, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi, DiaEdie,
I noticed your message at Shalor's talk page. First of all, take a breath; or take several; there are plenty of people here able and willing to help you. I'm not 100% sure if I understand your question, but let me start this way, and if that isn't quite it, you can reply below, and ask again. In your question on Shalor's Talk page, you asked:
Were we supposed to respond to other pages
I'm a bit at sea, here, since I don't know precisely in what context you meant that. Often, students will write their article in their sandbox, and you could respond to them on their User talk page. But I'm grasping at straws, here, because I don't know if that's what you meant, and I'm not sure how your instructor will be organizing the classwork for your class, vis-a-vis sandbox usage, and so on.
Based on what I do know generally about Wiki Ed classes, and how your class is organized on the OSU class page for Systems of Oppression in Women's Lives that you're a part of, I can see one row in the table with your name on it. But the "Assigned" and "Reviewing" column cells are empty (not only for you, but for everybody) at this point. So it could be there are no specific assignments yet, but your instructor will know for sure.
You are only just starting Week 3 of your class, and there are some links there for general guidelines on how to edit articles in different topic areas, such as Biographies, Women's Studies, and several others. Do you see those seven links for the seven topic areas under Week 3?
Perhaps you could speak to or email your instructor LK Mae about the Wikipedia assignments. It could by that they have decided on the assignments, but haven't updated the table on the course page yet, or perhaps they haven't been decided yet. The easiest way to find out, is simply to ask them. You could, of course, ask your classmates if they've heard anything about assignments yet.
So please don't freak out, just relax, there are plenty of people around here to help you. If you try to reach out to me by writing on your page below, I won't necessarily notice it, so if you want to attract my attention to your message so I can respond, then please start your message with the {{
reply}} template. You should add Shalor, too, since she's the Content Expert for your class. So your reply template would look like this: {{reply|Mathglot|Shalor (Wiki Ed)}}
. Another way to get help from somebody, is to ask your question, and add {{Help me}}
to your message. In this case, an experienced editor will be along shortly, to help you with your question. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask below, on
Shalor's talk page, or on my Talk page.
I hope this helps! Mathglot ( talk) 06:26, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi! I'm glad that things worked out in the end! Definitely let me know if you need any help or have any other questions! Shalor (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 17:58, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi! You can find other sandboxes by going to the student tab on your dashboard page. Under each student name are a couple of links, one of which says sandboxes, the other edits. You want to select the sandboxes link - this will take you to a page that lists every page in that student's userspace (ie, anything that starts with User:(username), such as User:Shalor (Wiki Ed)/sandbox). I hope this helps!
On a side note, if you let me know which student sandboxes you're supposed to review, I can help you with the links. Shalor (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 15:15, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi! You won't be able to see the exact same thing each student sees, but you can see the students in the class and what they're working on via
here. If this isn't what you're looking for, contact me via email at shalorwikiedu.org. We can go into more depth there.
Shalor (Wiki Ed) (
talk)
15:16, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
As an editor, it is your responsibility to make sure that your edits conform to the principles of editing here. Please read the comments that have been left for you on the article talk page, and make sure that your edits read well, and are formatted and referenced properly. Thanks, Ghmyrtle ( talk) 21:43, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I wanted to respond to the post on my talk page.
First things first, I reviewed the interactions on the article and talk page for sex industry. I didn't really see where there were any snarky comments made about the edits. I saw that some of your work was reverted, but it looks like the explanations were reasonable enough and there was a good faith attempt to explain the actions on the article's talk page. It's really important to assume good faith of other editors - it looks like they're trying to help out. In any case, here are my notes, which build upon the ones on the article talk page:
I hope that this helps - I don't want to overwhelm you, so I'll stop here. Let me know any questions or concerns you have - you can also email me directly if you like at shalorwikiedu.org.
Shalor (Wiki Ed) (
talk)
15:47, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi DiaEdie, when adding content to an article, it's important to keep in mind the topic and scope of the article. In this edit today at Sex industry you added content about penalties for prostitution, describing it as a misdemeanor. This was later reverted by another editor.
Wikipedia is a global encyclopedia. When an article contains a geographic area in its title, for example, " Prostitution in the United States" or " Prostitution in Burundi", then that is what it is about; its scope is limited to the named area. When it does not, such as in an article like " Sex industry", then the topic spans the entire globe. As an example, labeling prostitution as a "misdemeanor" doesn't take into account other locations, where it may carry stronger penalties, up to and including a death sentence. [1]
I have noticed a number of edits of yours at Sex industry that appear to show a bias towards the United States. To an extent, this is normal; we are all human, and all humans are subject to systemic bias of various types all operating at once, one of which is the country we know best. As Wikipedia editors, we are called upon to fight against our own biases. Among others, English Wikipedia has a systemic bias towards American and European topics and perspectives because of the editors who volunteer here.
So, as you are an editor contributing to a global encyclopedia read by people all over the world, not only in the United States, I'd ask you to keep that in mind when editing a general article that is not constrained by geography, such as Sex industry. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 08:34, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
References
I don't have bias but it does look like that. I will keep that in mind when researching articles. I did add a tiny bit of information on the Dominican Republic. I will keep that in mind., which is not the case at all. If you want to reply to a post on a talk page, the best thing to do is simply add your reply as a separate post below the one you're responding to like I am doing here or like I did with your post. Inserting your comments into another's post may unintentionally change the meaning of the post or otherwise take things out of context. You shouldn't really be editing other's post at all as explained in WP:TPO even with the best intentions except in some pretty specific cases. Wikipedia talk pages work sort of differently from many online forums; so, if it's absolutely important to insert a comment you make into someone else's, please use Template:Interrupted though even that often causes more confusion that it's worth. If you're not really familiar with how Wikipedia talk page's work and just made a newbie mistake, then that's OK; you should, however, take a look at Help:Talk pages and Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines for reference.Finally, please try to start getting into the habit of signing your talk page posts; the are a number of ways to do so, but the easiest is explained in WP:TILDE. Signing your posts makes it easier for others to see who posted what and when; such a thing might not seem like a big deal here on your user talk page, but it can really make things less confusing on talks page where lots of different editors are posting. A signature also helps keep posts separate from one another so it doesn't appear as if they are being made by the same person. I understood you're new to Wikipedia, but you should try and get use to things like signing posts and properly using talk pages fairly early on because it will make it easier for you to participate in talk page discussions. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 12:39, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
So I feel like I am getting conflicting information. I was told not to sign my signature which I stopped doing in articles and on my talk my page. I was also told not not to start a new topic to continue from the old topic which I did. I also don't have any bias about the United States but it looks like that. I have tried several times to add information from a global view point only for it to get removed. ( DiaEdie ( talk) 16:36, 26 November 2019 (UTC)).
Hi! I wanted to go through the stuff on my talk page bit by bit, since there is a lot to review:
Hopefully this helps explain what's going on - if you like, I can review your work and give you advice before you post to the article or to the US prostitution specific article. It would be no problem. Shalor (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 20:28, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi! As for switching pages, I would - a lot of your content is specific to the United States and prostitution, so the easiest course of action here is to just switch gears. I can help you with tweaking the writing and everything to fit into the page. Let me know what you think. Shalor (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 19:28, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi! I saw the content you added to the article on Police abuse of sex workers in the United States. I did want to caution you that the article needs a lot of work. I did go through with my main account and perform some general editing on the article, removing the studies sections (since Wikipedia typically doesn't do study sections like that) and also editing for flow overall. I did edit your content some as well - one of the main things I did was to add some content on how this all relates to the specific topic of police abuse of sex workers in the US. You had the info there, it just needed to be streamlined.
One of the main things to be careful of is to ensure that everything is neutral in tone - I did some editing to fix this up a little, since some of it did come across as non-neutral. It's easy to get passionate about something like this because of how awful sex workers are treated, especially ones who engage in street prostitution and/or are minorities, though.
I think you're pretty much good - if you knew of any other notable cases of police officers abusing sex workers in the United States (where there are articles for these cases) then you can continue to add them in the respective section. You may want to look through this category page to see if there are any others there, although I think that those are mostly or entirely non-officers. Shalor (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 06:20, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi! I took a look - my main note is that I'm concerned that some of the content is too general for the article and didn't really tie it into how the content related to police abuse of sex workers per se. I've gone ahead and taken care of this for you, so no worries on that end. The other thing is that it looks like one of the sentences was too closely paraphrased for comfort, so I've re-written the sentence. Be very careful and make sure that when you're adding material, that you don't copy material verbatim or closely paraphrase. Shalor (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 16:14, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
This user is a student editor in Oregon_State_University/Systems_of_Oppression_in_Women's_Lives_(Fall_2019) . |
Hello, DiaEdie, and welcome to Wikipedia! My name is Shalor and I work with the Wiki Education Foundation; I help support students who are editing as part of a class assignment.
I hope you enjoy editing here. If you haven't already done so, please check out the student training library, which introduces you to editing and Wikipedia's core principles. You may also want to check out the Teahouse, a community of Wikipedia editors dedicated to helping new users. Below are some resources to help you get started editing.
Handouts
|
---|
Additional Resources
|
|
If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Shalor (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 20:37, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi, DiaEdie,
I noticed your message at Shalor's talk page. First of all, take a breath; or take several; there are plenty of people here able and willing to help you. I'm not 100% sure if I understand your question, but let me start this way, and if that isn't quite it, you can reply below, and ask again. In your question on Shalor's Talk page, you asked:
Were we supposed to respond to other pages
I'm a bit at sea, here, since I don't know precisely in what context you meant that. Often, students will write their article in their sandbox, and you could respond to them on their User talk page. But I'm grasping at straws, here, because I don't know if that's what you meant, and I'm not sure how your instructor will be organizing the classwork for your class, vis-a-vis sandbox usage, and so on.
Based on what I do know generally about Wiki Ed classes, and how your class is organized on the OSU class page for Systems of Oppression in Women's Lives that you're a part of, I can see one row in the table with your name on it. But the "Assigned" and "Reviewing" column cells are empty (not only for you, but for everybody) at this point. So it could be there are no specific assignments yet, but your instructor will know for sure.
You are only just starting Week 3 of your class, and there are some links there for general guidelines on how to edit articles in different topic areas, such as Biographies, Women's Studies, and several others. Do you see those seven links for the seven topic areas under Week 3?
Perhaps you could speak to or email your instructor LK Mae about the Wikipedia assignments. It could by that they have decided on the assignments, but haven't updated the table on the course page yet, or perhaps they haven't been decided yet. The easiest way to find out, is simply to ask them. You could, of course, ask your classmates if they've heard anything about assignments yet.
So please don't freak out, just relax, there are plenty of people around here to help you. If you try to reach out to me by writing on your page below, I won't necessarily notice it, so if you want to attract my attention to your message so I can respond, then please start your message with the {{
reply}} template. You should add Shalor, too, since she's the Content Expert for your class. So your reply template would look like this: {{reply|Mathglot|Shalor (Wiki Ed)}}
. Another way to get help from somebody, is to ask your question, and add {{Help me}}
to your message. In this case, an experienced editor will be along shortly, to help you with your question. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask below, on
Shalor's talk page, or on my Talk page.
I hope this helps! Mathglot ( talk) 06:26, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi! I'm glad that things worked out in the end! Definitely let me know if you need any help or have any other questions! Shalor (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 17:58, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi! You can find other sandboxes by going to the student tab on your dashboard page. Under each student name are a couple of links, one of which says sandboxes, the other edits. You want to select the sandboxes link - this will take you to a page that lists every page in that student's userspace (ie, anything that starts with User:(username), such as User:Shalor (Wiki Ed)/sandbox). I hope this helps!
On a side note, if you let me know which student sandboxes you're supposed to review, I can help you with the links. Shalor (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 15:15, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi! You won't be able to see the exact same thing each student sees, but you can see the students in the class and what they're working on via
here. If this isn't what you're looking for, contact me via email at shalorwikiedu.org. We can go into more depth there.
Shalor (Wiki Ed) (
talk)
15:16, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
As an editor, it is your responsibility to make sure that your edits conform to the principles of editing here. Please read the comments that have been left for you on the article talk page, and make sure that your edits read well, and are formatted and referenced properly. Thanks, Ghmyrtle ( talk) 21:43, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi, I wanted to respond to the post on my talk page.
First things first, I reviewed the interactions on the article and talk page for sex industry. I didn't really see where there were any snarky comments made about the edits. I saw that some of your work was reverted, but it looks like the explanations were reasonable enough and there was a good faith attempt to explain the actions on the article's talk page. It's really important to assume good faith of other editors - it looks like they're trying to help out. In any case, here are my notes, which build upon the ones on the article talk page:
I hope that this helps - I don't want to overwhelm you, so I'll stop here. Let me know any questions or concerns you have - you can also email me directly if you like at shalorwikiedu.org.
Shalor (Wiki Ed) (
talk)
15:47, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi DiaEdie, when adding content to an article, it's important to keep in mind the topic and scope of the article. In this edit today at Sex industry you added content about penalties for prostitution, describing it as a misdemeanor. This was later reverted by another editor.
Wikipedia is a global encyclopedia. When an article contains a geographic area in its title, for example, " Prostitution in the United States" or " Prostitution in Burundi", then that is what it is about; its scope is limited to the named area. When it does not, such as in an article like " Sex industry", then the topic spans the entire globe. As an example, labeling prostitution as a "misdemeanor" doesn't take into account other locations, where it may carry stronger penalties, up to and including a death sentence. [1]
I have noticed a number of edits of yours at Sex industry that appear to show a bias towards the United States. To an extent, this is normal; we are all human, and all humans are subject to systemic bias of various types all operating at once, one of which is the country we know best. As Wikipedia editors, we are called upon to fight against our own biases. Among others, English Wikipedia has a systemic bias towards American and European topics and perspectives because of the editors who volunteer here.
So, as you are an editor contributing to a global encyclopedia read by people all over the world, not only in the United States, I'd ask you to keep that in mind when editing a general article that is not constrained by geography, such as Sex industry. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 08:34, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
References
I don't have bias but it does look like that. I will keep that in mind when researching articles. I did add a tiny bit of information on the Dominican Republic. I will keep that in mind., which is not the case at all. If you want to reply to a post on a talk page, the best thing to do is simply add your reply as a separate post below the one you're responding to like I am doing here or like I did with your post. Inserting your comments into another's post may unintentionally change the meaning of the post or otherwise take things out of context. You shouldn't really be editing other's post at all as explained in WP:TPO even with the best intentions except in some pretty specific cases. Wikipedia talk pages work sort of differently from many online forums; so, if it's absolutely important to insert a comment you make into someone else's, please use Template:Interrupted though even that often causes more confusion that it's worth. If you're not really familiar with how Wikipedia talk page's work and just made a newbie mistake, then that's OK; you should, however, take a look at Help:Talk pages and Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines for reference.Finally, please try to start getting into the habit of signing your talk page posts; the are a number of ways to do so, but the easiest is explained in WP:TILDE. Signing your posts makes it easier for others to see who posted what and when; such a thing might not seem like a big deal here on your user talk page, but it can really make things less confusing on talks page where lots of different editors are posting. A signature also helps keep posts separate from one another so it doesn't appear as if they are being made by the same person. I understood you're new to Wikipedia, but you should try and get use to things like signing posts and properly using talk pages fairly early on because it will make it easier for you to participate in talk page discussions. -- Marchjuly ( talk) 12:39, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
So I feel like I am getting conflicting information. I was told not to sign my signature which I stopped doing in articles and on my talk my page. I was also told not not to start a new topic to continue from the old topic which I did. I also don't have any bias about the United States but it looks like that. I have tried several times to add information from a global view point only for it to get removed. ( DiaEdie ( talk) 16:36, 26 November 2019 (UTC)).
Hi! I wanted to go through the stuff on my talk page bit by bit, since there is a lot to review:
Hopefully this helps explain what's going on - if you like, I can review your work and give you advice before you post to the article or to the US prostitution specific article. It would be no problem. Shalor (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 20:28, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi! As for switching pages, I would - a lot of your content is specific to the United States and prostitution, so the easiest course of action here is to just switch gears. I can help you with tweaking the writing and everything to fit into the page. Let me know what you think. Shalor (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 19:28, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi! I saw the content you added to the article on Police abuse of sex workers in the United States. I did want to caution you that the article needs a lot of work. I did go through with my main account and perform some general editing on the article, removing the studies sections (since Wikipedia typically doesn't do study sections like that) and also editing for flow overall. I did edit your content some as well - one of the main things I did was to add some content on how this all relates to the specific topic of police abuse of sex workers in the US. You had the info there, it just needed to be streamlined.
One of the main things to be careful of is to ensure that everything is neutral in tone - I did some editing to fix this up a little, since some of it did come across as non-neutral. It's easy to get passionate about something like this because of how awful sex workers are treated, especially ones who engage in street prostitution and/or are minorities, though.
I think you're pretty much good - if you knew of any other notable cases of police officers abusing sex workers in the United States (where there are articles for these cases) then you can continue to add them in the respective section. You may want to look through this category page to see if there are any others there, although I think that those are mostly or entirely non-officers. Shalor (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 06:20, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
Hi! I took a look - my main note is that I'm concerned that some of the content is too general for the article and didn't really tie it into how the content related to police abuse of sex workers per se. I've gone ahead and taken care of this for you, so no worries on that end. The other thing is that it looks like one of the sentences was too closely paraphrased for comfort, so I've re-written the sentence. Be very careful and make sure that when you're adding material, that you don't copy material verbatim or closely paraphrase. Shalor (Wiki Ed) ( talk) 16:14, 2 December 2019 (UTC)