In response to your message at
Anne Delong's talk page, I've had a look at the draft. First of all, you may want to read our guideline on
conflicts of interest; writing about close relatives is discouraged because it's hard to remain neutral about them. The draft currently isn't submitted for another review; you can submit it by adding {{subst:submit}}
to the very top. However, almost all sources are written or co-authored by Alain de Weck himself; Wikipedia content should be based on sources that are
independent of the subject, such as peer-reviewed papers written by others that discuss de Weck's work, or newspaper articles about him. The only sources that satisfy this standard are the book review and the symposium proceedings, and the draft clearly isn't based on what those two sources say about de Weck. Thus it probably wouldn't be accepted in its current state. Yours,
Huon (
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03:43, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
As you suggested I did review the conflicts of interest guidelines and believe that my submission is within Wikipedia's guidelines. While I am the son of the subject of the article I am also a scientists and professor and wrote the article from a neutral point of view. The references and links provided all are in the public domain and can be used to corroborate the facts in the article. It is self-evident that statements or claims regarding scientific results or output would primarily be based on articles co-authored by the subject himself or herself. The "external" validation from the symposium proceedings and book review are indeed correct. Additionally the external links to the scientific societies such as IUIS and WAO corroborate the positions that Alain de Weck has held in those organizations. I will add a newspaper article (in German) that appeared as the time of retirement in 1993 as a further source. Finally, I would like to point out that a German Wikipedia article on this individual already exists and that he passes the "eminence" test by Wikipedia. If this is still not satisfactory, I could hand off the article to another user, but I do not believe this would change much of the content of the article since it is written in a fact based language without the use of laudatory or other adjectives. I have submitted the article for re-review as you suggested. Many thanks for your time.
Deweck ( talk) 11:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Deweck ( talk) 16:14, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Mhhh, okay I start to see your point better. Let me go on the hunt for other sources and references not authored or co-authored by the subject of the article himself as you suggested. Being allowed to cite sources in other languages (e.g. is also helpful). I will also reduce the number of cited articles as it may be bit excessive and create the (unintended) impression that the article is self-promotional. Let me get back to you after these revisions.
Deweck ( talk) 18:43, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
I have done extensive research and revised the draft article by (1) shortening its somewhat and (2) adding 9 external references not authored by Prof. de Weck. These references are listed below and include 4 scientific publications/reviews that discuss and cite his work, an entry in Who's Who of Science, two newspaper/magazine articles, and one press release and one notice by a professional society related to the Pirquet medal award. These are listed below:
Stewart G.T., “Allergy to penicillin and related antibiotics: antigenic and immunochemical mechanisms”, Annual Review of Pharmacology, 1973; 13:309-324
G. Cohen and Samter M. (Eds.), Excerpts from classics in allergy. Second edition. Edited by Sheldon, Symposia Foundation, 1992. 211 pp. Illustrated. Indexed.
World Who’s Who in Science. 1968, p. 454.
K Duchén, , R Einarsson, E Grodzinsky, G Hattevig, B Björkstén, Development of IgG1 and IgG4 Antibodies Against β-Lactoglobulin and Ovalbumin in Healthy and Atopic Children, Annals of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology, Volume 78, Issue 4 , Pages 363-368 , April 1997
Robert Koch Preis und -Medaille für schweizerischen und niederländischen Wissenschaftler, Personalia, June 1973; Vol.26, issue 6, pp. 407-408, doi: 10.1007|BF01632756
Wühtrich B., Wydler B., Zur spezifischen IgE-Diagnostik: Vergleich zweier In-Vitro Streifentests (IgE-Quick und Immunodot) mit CAP-FEIA System und den Proktests., Allergologie, 1999, 22: 215-222
Heska Acquires CMG Centre Medical of Switzerland, Press Release, PR Newswire, September 3, 1997
Dinosaurier der Immunologie geht in Pension, Newspaper Article, Der Bund, October 1, 1993
Notice of Award of Clemens von Pirquet Medal, Oesterische Gesellschaft fuer Allergologie und Immunologie (ÖGAI), Wissenschaftliche Veranstaltungen der ÖGAI, http://www.oegai.org,15-17.11.1990
I do believe that having added these references adds credibility to the article. I assume that once published the article will evolve by having additional edits and references provided by the wider community, particularly those with interest in Immunology and Allergy. Looking forward to the next step in the review/publication process on Wikipedia. My initial pushback has given way to respect for the level of rigor that Wikipedia demands and enforces.
Deweck ( talk) 13:33, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
I prefer to have discussions about Wikipedia content "on-wiki," either on the article's talk page, or, for AFC submissions, by using "AFC comments" which appear above the submission and which will be removed when the submission is approved. I'm also okay with having the discussion on user talk pages. Since the discussion has already started here, then it might as well stay here.
For privacy reasons, I will not re-post your email to me here unless you ask me to. I would encourage you to re-post it or an updated version of it here and I will address any concerns that are not already addressed by others.
By the way, you have my condolences as well. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 15:48, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Dear Deweck:
I have been following the discussion here on your talk page. I am a junior reviewer, so now that the article is approaching the acceptable point I will leave it to those more experienced. However, I wanted to say that I hope you will continue to contribute to Wikipedia by adding information about other topics for which you have access to reliable sources of information. So many people try to contribute but never do understand the purpose of an encyclopedia. If you decide to do so and need any help, there's a great forum for new editors at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions. — Anne Delong ( talk) 16:07, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Dear Anne Delong:
Many thanks for your suggestions and I will checkout the Teahouse. regarding "final" approval of the article I am a bit confused as to the procedure. Who will handle the next review? Since you did the initial review, would it not make sense for you to review it at the next stage again? Or is it another randomlt assigned editor who will handle the next stage.
Best wishes
Deweck ( talk) 02:04, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
The Articles for Creation queue is over two weeks long right now, because there are over 1400 articles waiting to be reviewed. Substantial articles such as the one you have created need to be checked over carefully by an experienced reviewer. I've only been doing this for about two weeks, although I've been doing other types of editing for several months. I try to help out by picking out articles that I know won't pass and declining them right away without waiting to get to the top of the queue. That way the experienced editors can concentrate on the ones that are in pretty good shape, and the article creators can improve their articles and then resubmit them more quickly. If you'll remember, when I reviewed the article it was a little tiny article with basically no references.
The editors are not randomly assigned, they are self-assigned, since almost everyone is a volunteer. For example, there was a page the other day where all of the references were German newspaper articles. A German speaking editor stepped up to do that one. Some reviewers specialize in reviewing sports articles. Pages that get to the top of the queue without having been declined are given a serious going over by longstanding reviewers and then added to the encyclopedia. This may take a while since there are so many waiting right now. — Anne Delong ( talk) 05:15, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
I re-submitted Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Alain de Weck on your behalf so I could immediately put it in the "under review" holding area where it won't get forgotten about. I will look at it again in the next week and a half or so. See the comment I put on the page for more info. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 18:53, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Much appreciated. I am getting a little bit disoriented with new people jumping in that seem to not be fully aware of the prior discussions and/or have different expectations. I do understand the desire for a health ratio of references authored or co-authored by the subject of the article and third party references. If that ratio is still too high it can be changed but there should be roughly a target to shoot for. Many thanks for re-reviewing the article. You are one of the most supportive editors I have encountered on Wikipedia so far. I am willing to make further revisions but am hoping to see the light at the end of the tunnel ....
Deweck ( talk) 21:25, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Deweck ( talk) 21:27, 25 April 2013 (UTC)}}
I am not sure what is the status of the article now. I have revised it again and it is ready for re-review after two prior rejections. It says it is under review by davidwr, so I guess I will just wait.
Deweck ( talk) 17:39, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. Note that because you are a logged-in user, you can create articles yourself, and don't have to post a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer.
Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia!
j⚛e decker talk 22:09, 9 May 2013 (UTC)Publication of the article and final edits are much appreciated. I did have one question to follow-up. The categories at the end refer to certain categories of scientists, year of birth, death etc... which will link to these articles. To what extend do those categories need to be manually updated and to what extent are these automatically updated by some frequency by a bot. Deweck ( talk) 20:20, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
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In response to your message at
Anne Delong's talk page, I've had a look at the draft. First of all, you may want to read our guideline on
conflicts of interest; writing about close relatives is discouraged because it's hard to remain neutral about them. The draft currently isn't submitted for another review; you can submit it by adding {{subst:submit}}
to the very top. However, almost all sources are written or co-authored by Alain de Weck himself; Wikipedia content should be based on sources that are
independent of the subject, such as peer-reviewed papers written by others that discuss de Weck's work, or newspaper articles about him. The only sources that satisfy this standard are the book review and the symposium proceedings, and the draft clearly isn't based on what those two sources say about de Weck. Thus it probably wouldn't be accepted in its current state. Yours,
Huon (
talk)
03:43, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
As you suggested I did review the conflicts of interest guidelines and believe that my submission is within Wikipedia's guidelines. While I am the son of the subject of the article I am also a scientists and professor and wrote the article from a neutral point of view. The references and links provided all are in the public domain and can be used to corroborate the facts in the article. It is self-evident that statements or claims regarding scientific results or output would primarily be based on articles co-authored by the subject himself or herself. The "external" validation from the symposium proceedings and book review are indeed correct. Additionally the external links to the scientific societies such as IUIS and WAO corroborate the positions that Alain de Weck has held in those organizations. I will add a newspaper article (in German) that appeared as the time of retirement in 1993 as a further source. Finally, I would like to point out that a German Wikipedia article on this individual already exists and that he passes the "eminence" test by Wikipedia. If this is still not satisfactory, I could hand off the article to another user, but I do not believe this would change much of the content of the article since it is written in a fact based language without the use of laudatory or other adjectives. I have submitted the article for re-review as you suggested. Many thanks for your time.
Deweck ( talk) 11:32, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Deweck ( talk) 16:14, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Mhhh, okay I start to see your point better. Let me go on the hunt for other sources and references not authored or co-authored by the subject of the article himself as you suggested. Being allowed to cite sources in other languages (e.g. is also helpful). I will also reduce the number of cited articles as it may be bit excessive and create the (unintended) impression that the article is self-promotional. Let me get back to you after these revisions.
Deweck ( talk) 18:43, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
I have done extensive research and revised the draft article by (1) shortening its somewhat and (2) adding 9 external references not authored by Prof. de Weck. These references are listed below and include 4 scientific publications/reviews that discuss and cite his work, an entry in Who's Who of Science, two newspaper/magazine articles, and one press release and one notice by a professional society related to the Pirquet medal award. These are listed below:
Stewart G.T., “Allergy to penicillin and related antibiotics: antigenic and immunochemical mechanisms”, Annual Review of Pharmacology, 1973; 13:309-324
G. Cohen and Samter M. (Eds.), Excerpts from classics in allergy. Second edition. Edited by Sheldon, Symposia Foundation, 1992. 211 pp. Illustrated. Indexed.
World Who’s Who in Science. 1968, p. 454.
K Duchén, , R Einarsson, E Grodzinsky, G Hattevig, B Björkstén, Development of IgG1 and IgG4 Antibodies Against β-Lactoglobulin and Ovalbumin in Healthy and Atopic Children, Annals of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology, Volume 78, Issue 4 , Pages 363-368 , April 1997
Robert Koch Preis und -Medaille für schweizerischen und niederländischen Wissenschaftler, Personalia, June 1973; Vol.26, issue 6, pp. 407-408, doi: 10.1007|BF01632756
Wühtrich B., Wydler B., Zur spezifischen IgE-Diagnostik: Vergleich zweier In-Vitro Streifentests (IgE-Quick und Immunodot) mit CAP-FEIA System und den Proktests., Allergologie, 1999, 22: 215-222
Heska Acquires CMG Centre Medical of Switzerland, Press Release, PR Newswire, September 3, 1997
Dinosaurier der Immunologie geht in Pension, Newspaper Article, Der Bund, October 1, 1993
Notice of Award of Clemens von Pirquet Medal, Oesterische Gesellschaft fuer Allergologie und Immunologie (ÖGAI), Wissenschaftliche Veranstaltungen der ÖGAI, http://www.oegai.org,15-17.11.1990
I do believe that having added these references adds credibility to the article. I assume that once published the article will evolve by having additional edits and references provided by the wider community, particularly those with interest in Immunology and Allergy. Looking forward to the next step in the review/publication process on Wikipedia. My initial pushback has given way to respect for the level of rigor that Wikipedia demands and enforces.
Deweck ( talk) 13:33, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
I prefer to have discussions about Wikipedia content "on-wiki," either on the article's talk page, or, for AFC submissions, by using "AFC comments" which appear above the submission and which will be removed when the submission is approved. I'm also okay with having the discussion on user talk pages. Since the discussion has already started here, then it might as well stay here.
For privacy reasons, I will not re-post your email to me here unless you ask me to. I would encourage you to re-post it or an updated version of it here and I will address any concerns that are not already addressed by others.
By the way, you have my condolences as well. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 15:48, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Dear Deweck:
I have been following the discussion here on your talk page. I am a junior reviewer, so now that the article is approaching the acceptable point I will leave it to those more experienced. However, I wanted to say that I hope you will continue to contribute to Wikipedia by adding information about other topics for which you have access to reliable sources of information. So many people try to contribute but never do understand the purpose of an encyclopedia. If you decide to do so and need any help, there's a great forum for new editors at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions. — Anne Delong ( talk) 16:07, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
Dear Anne Delong:
Many thanks for your suggestions and I will checkout the Teahouse. regarding "final" approval of the article I am a bit confused as to the procedure. Who will handle the next review? Since you did the initial review, would it not make sense for you to review it at the next stage again? Or is it another randomlt assigned editor who will handle the next stage.
Best wishes
Deweck ( talk) 02:04, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
The Articles for Creation queue is over two weeks long right now, because there are over 1400 articles waiting to be reviewed. Substantial articles such as the one you have created need to be checked over carefully by an experienced reviewer. I've only been doing this for about two weeks, although I've been doing other types of editing for several months. I try to help out by picking out articles that I know won't pass and declining them right away without waiting to get to the top of the queue. That way the experienced editors can concentrate on the ones that are in pretty good shape, and the article creators can improve their articles and then resubmit them more quickly. If you'll remember, when I reviewed the article it was a little tiny article with basically no references.
The editors are not randomly assigned, they are self-assigned, since almost everyone is a volunteer. For example, there was a page the other day where all of the references were German newspaper articles. A German speaking editor stepped up to do that one. Some reviewers specialize in reviewing sports articles. Pages that get to the top of the queue without having been declined are given a serious going over by longstanding reviewers and then added to the encyclopedia. This may take a while since there are so many waiting right now. — Anne Delong ( talk) 05:15, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
I re-submitted Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Alain de Weck on your behalf so I could immediately put it in the "under review" holding area where it won't get forgotten about. I will look at it again in the next week and a half or so. See the comment I put on the page for more info. davidwr/( talk)/( contribs)/( e-mail) 18:53, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Much appreciated. I am getting a little bit disoriented with new people jumping in that seem to not be fully aware of the prior discussions and/or have different expectations. I do understand the desire for a health ratio of references authored or co-authored by the subject of the article and third party references. If that ratio is still too high it can be changed but there should be roughly a target to shoot for. Many thanks for re-reviewing the article. You are one of the most supportive editors I have encountered on Wikipedia so far. I am willing to make further revisions but am hoping to see the light at the end of the tunnel ....
Deweck ( talk) 21:25, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
Deweck ( talk) 21:27, 25 April 2013 (UTC)}}
I am not sure what is the status of the article now. I have revised it again and it is ready for re-review after two prior rejections. It says it is under review by davidwr, so I guess I will just wait.
Deweck ( talk) 17:39, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. Note that because you are a logged-in user, you can create articles yourself, and don't have to post a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer.
Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia!
j⚛e decker talk 22:09, 9 May 2013 (UTC)Publication of the article and final edits are much appreciated. I did have one question to follow-up. The categories at the end refer to certain categories of scientists, year of birth, death etc... which will link to these articles. To what extend do those categories need to be manually updated and to what extent are these automatically updated by some frequency by a bot. Deweck ( talk) 20:20, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Hi,
You appear to be eligible to vote in the current
Arbitration Committee election. The
Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia
arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose
site bans,
topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The
arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to
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the voting page. For the Election committee,
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