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Why were the pages belonging to this user deleted? I see that there were previously 96 edits on the talk page and 88 edits on the main user page. Bahn Mi 22:09, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Hope you can help us on Human. An new pair of fresh eyes can do wonders.... ≈ jossi ≈ 01:31, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the complements on the McClintock article. I have another biography to read before it's finished. I was wondering how you found the text- would it be confusing for people that don't know anything about genetics? -- nixie 04:13, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
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Thank you for your support on my RfA, and for your very kind words. Both are sincerely appreciated. ≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @ 15:49, 15 October 2005 (UTC) |
Ronald20 ( talk · contribs) does occasionally do some good edits, so I try not to do Pavlovian knee -jerk reverts of his edits. One reason for that is that although he has never responded to any attempts to contact him he does seem to learn by example sometimes. Therefore I try, whenever possible, to do some cleanup on an article that he has edited instead of just simple reverts. You can see some more information about Ronald20 at User:BlankVerse/RonaldWatch.
You should watch that you don't blame every weird edit on TV and radio articles on Ronald20. He only edits from that user name, from dial-up IPs from the o1.com ISP, and from lausd.net ( Los Angeles Unified School District). Also, his edit style is very obvious to me. There is another editor that has been dubbed the AOLBroadcastFan (see User:ErikNY/AOLBroadcastFan), plus there are a couple of other editors with odd editing habits that also edit broadcast articles.
Ronald20 doesn't do that much editing, and when he does his edits are usually easy to track. Furthermore, the falsehoods that he adds are usually very easy to spot (adding a death date way in the future to Snoop Dogg, saying that the Dodge nameplate has been retired, adding that KDIS (K-Disney) has abandoned their kid-friendly format). I have a much greater problem, for example, with editors who want to add unchallenged ID nonsense to the evolution article, or bigots who add trash to the Kwanzaa article. For more of my musing on Wikipedia issues, you can check out BlankVerse's ever-lengthening Wikipedia rants.
As for my "Use the Wikipedia at your own risk!" warning: It is just an enhanced and expanded, as well as more visible and more insistent version of the warning at Wikipedia:General disclaimer that you find linked to on every Wikipedia page. It's the version that I think that the Wikipedia should be using, but for now I will settle for it being on my user pages. I have been thinking of turning it into a subpage so that I can occasionally modify it while keeping the version on both my user page and talk page synchronized. If I do that, I will notify you if you want so that you can transclude that version. BlankVerse ∅ 04:22, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
I am currently amassing evidence of the misconduct demonstrated by User:Tony Sidaway and would appreciate your help in the matter. If you would please post any contributions you may have to User:TheChief/Evidence I would appreciate it very much. TheChief (PowWow) 23:40, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
That view of the school Wiki u gave was excellent and very true. I doubt the school watch people cares about thier own schools.I come across just horrible school articles and heavy vandalism of them alot and I havent seen one revert made by the 3 main members:Kappa, Nicolumus79, Thiverr. Thats is some thing that needs to change. Im one of the few who acually reverts nonsense junk in schools articles and some times Im tempt to AFD them but I cant do anything has its probaly going to be kept. Thats why I normally vote delete on schools cause It just will be another badly vandalised article later on and I belive a school wiki should be made cause of that. Im going to email Ryan Norton as he is in a permanint wikibreak and cant do anything in talk about creating the vote page for the new school wiki and hopefully there the vandalism goes away and both deletetionist and illusionist of those schools be happy. -- JAranda | watz sup 01:08, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I read your comment and laughed out loud. So very true. :-) Chris talk back 20:54, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for saying so. I do appreciate the support on this. Gateman1997 23:44, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Well, a redirect should do for the moment. According to the manual of style, the first instance of mitochondrial myopathy can now be bolded on that page. Hopefully one day it will become its own article, but it's not a priorty of mine to work on that now... unless one of my patients turns out to have it & I'll be forced to read up on it :-) JFW | T@lk 19:36, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Templates is a really tough question. I just keep finding so many exceptions, that it's really hard to find a pattern. You're right that I've been doing a separate table each time. I realize the problems with this. However, I find it's problematic forcing a standard. Different jurisdictions, use wildly different terms, for the same thing. Canadian schools have unique organizations, like Separate school districts (not public, and not private). Often, what's one item in one school, could be multiple items for another. But, even within Alberta, I find patterns difficult.
Some schools "feed" or are "fed" by certain others schools, while other schools have no such special relationships.
I had hoped that I would see a pattern, and then create/update a template, but so far, the pattern hasn't stabilized. Just recently, I've dealt with what should be a simple field "Primary language" (e.g. English or French). However, there are different cases: French language schools run by French school districts for French families, and French immersion schools run by English language districts for English families. So, I'm not sure how to make a template flexible enough to handle such stuff, but simple enough for simple cases. So, anyhow, I'll have to keep thinking about this one. It ain't simple. -- rob 15:48, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the thought. I agree that merging may not necessarily be the best solution, but then neither is everything having its own little article. The schools group is taking a very scattergun approach to the issue, blasting out a whole muzzleful of substubs and hoping that some of them will take. I contend that's not the best way to provide people with quality information.
I recently did a small study on the fate of school articles. I looked at the entire set of school articles for the states of California and Texas (I chose those two because they were big states and likely to have lots of school articles.) I was especially interested in the long-term fate of an article, so I was looking for articles more than a year old. I found twelve. Of the twelve, only two had undergone substantial growth since their initial writing. Five others had undergone some growth. Five were essentially unchanged. This means that nearly half the articles had not shown any improvement since they were first created. Now we have people on the schools bandwagon creating stubs like there was no tomorrow. My guess is that most of them will also be unchanged this time next year. The percentage may well end up being worse than it is now, because a greater number of people are creating stubs for the sake of creating stubs, and there is no vested interest in seeing the articles improve. I think the eventualists are really dreaming with their eyes open when it comes to school articles.
Thanks for dropping me a line (apropos to what, I'm not sure). It's always nice to dialog. Denni ☯ 03:04, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
I got your message and added some comments to a few more of the arguments. Care to pick up where I left off? flowersofnight (talk) 23:00, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
re Talk:Washington Elementary School: WikiProject Schools needs to start a major disambiguation campaign because I keep finding school articles where there should be disambiguation pages. Many of the articles should be obvious that they should be disambiguation pages (like Washington Elementary School), but the majority of school articles should be checked against Google to verify that their school name is unique. This should be done for both school articles and school redirects.
After creating a couple of school disambiguation pages tonight, I am wondering whether there should be a school disambiguation template, so that you could have a school disambiguation category. Blank Verse 13:25, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Sorry to break the news to you, but I already told someone that "professional wrestling" is not a sport, according to Vincent Kennedy McMahon, but "scripted entertainment", which is why you should have left the Eddie Guerrero death story on the current events page. NoseNuggets 11:08 AM US EST Nov 15 2005.
I understand you deleting the link to The Skeptic's Annotated Bible: Corrected and Explained (a rebuttal to) The Skeptic's Annotated Bible is simply you trying to attack the author (Gastrich) and silence Christian thought and Christian replies to alleged Bible errors. Should anyone conclude otherwise?-- Bobby Lou 06:01, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I was rather suprised at this example you gave. Bartlett High School, Bartlett, Illinois was merged into Elgin Area School District U46. I frankly, think the target article is not more encyclopedic than the school article (in its last form), and frankly has less potential to ever be encyclopedic.
To me Calgary Board of Education and Calgary Catholic School District are what district articles should be, in order to be encyclopedic. Notice I exclude phone numbers, and per-school attendance. They don't list all 300 Calgary schools. Instead they use the space to talk about the actual district, and what is mentioned in the high-school-only listing, has less-volitile info (e.g. grade ranges not attendance). Follow the blue-links in those school articles, and you'll find proper encyclopedic school articles (showing the potential of regular schools). A district article should inform the reader of the district, and not just list data.
In any event, I think your example shows that merges don't fix anything, they just transfer problems.
Also, on your comment
Unfortunately, comments like this forced me to stop fixing the typical AFD'd school (as it encouraged more nominations-for-cleanup). I took huge numbers of previously AFD'd schools off my watch list. I've frequently improved articles that were never AFD'd, but of course that goes unseen, as do countless great school articles. You can't form an opinion on potential of school articles from the AFD listing, or the school-stub categories. Of course, even without me improving the AFD'd school articles, and even without me voting (most recently) they're still all kept, just with less improvement. Despite your comments, I finish school articles I start, and the problem of incomplete articles being created is not specific to schools, and neither is the solution. -- Rob 10:34, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
The answer to your question is maybe. It's possible that Eddie is a troll, however it's also likely that he's a newbie, possibly young and inexperienced. I'm going to try to assume good faith and give him the benefit of the doubt. The more people involved, the better, so please be mindful of his contribs. At this point, he could really use a mentor. -- Viriditas 02:26, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Given what is happening in the Rfa's Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/EddieSegoura and now Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/EddieSegoura_2. Given that the word Exicornt appears made up. Given the use of sock puppets. Given the use of minor edit designation for major edits. I can't judge if most of his edits are correct/verifiable or not but the grammar is awful, almost intensional. Adding all these things together from a user who has only been around for less than a month shouldn't this users edits all be reverted as non verifiable? David D. (Talk) 01:41, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
EddieSegoura ( talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log) edits mainly via AOL. As such, it is impossible to identify whether any other account is a sock of his, given AOL's randomizing proxies. Kelly Martin ( talk) 03:43, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Re: you comments on Silensor's page - Yes, there should be something merged, which is exactly why I copied the entire text to the talk page of the city and asked for input. The "district" idea as discussed on WP:SCH is good, too. It seems, though, that schools will not stay merged.
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Sometimes I feel exactly that way. - brenneman (t) (c) 20:28, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
The harm is that an 89 kilobyte thesaurus doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article. If nothing else, note the "article size" warning at the top when you edit the page. "Having examples" means one or two sentences with a handful of examples, not an attempt to catalogue every conceivable term. The Literate Engineer 18:10, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
I see your point about having examples, and I agree that there should be a few to illustrate the concept. However, I don't think there should be so many examples that anyone would think to call it a list. Like I said, I think there should be a handful - half a dozen at most, and embedded in the article's text. So for all intents and purposes, I think the list should be removed altogether, but non-listed examples inserted. The Literate Engineer 18:30, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
As far as I know, it's an appropriate use of wikisaurus. Actually, I hadn't even heard of Wikisaurus until UncleG told me that somebody'd suggested transwiking the whole list to Wikisaurus. I assumed, based on that box, that the transwikiing of legitimate terms was complete. The Literate Engineer 22:01, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. It makes my day when someone takes the time to thank me for my work. Let me reciprocate by thanking you for looking out for all my typos. Christianjb 07:34, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm delighted to see at least one person not condemning me as some kind of anti-intellectual. However I suspect I will be soon be the target of personal attacks, having been vaulted into the WP:SCH spotlight like that. No worries though, I'm prepared to deal with it. What I was really trying to say (though it probably did not come out right) is that for an article on an individual school to be included in a world-wide encyclopedia, the article better be pretty f---in' interesting as about 99% of individual schools are literally unknown to people living 3+ county lines away.
Uh, oh... as I hit the preview button to check for typographical errors, I see that I have new messages. Battlestations, men.
— FREAK OF NURxTURE ( TALK) 18:16, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Let's lay some cabal... call ourselves "the dropouts" or something I dunno. — FREAK OF NURxTURE ( TALK) 20:35, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
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It occured to me that I replied to you on my talk page. So you probably didn't see my reply (duh). I'm too used to Usenet. Anyway, if you get bored... User_talk:Markkbilbo. Mark K. Bilbo 04:24, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Webcomics has been accepted. Please place evidence at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Webcomics/Evidence. Proposals and comments may be placed at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Webcomics/Workshop. Fred Bauder 22:52, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Just to let you know that 58.162.252.67 is mounting an attack on Answers in Genesis and Jonathan Sarfati. Any help in the next day or two will be appreciated. Christianjb 17:31, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
I suggest letting them (it's 2 machines now) make any edits they want for the next few hours. Don't fight it. See my comments on the associated discussion page. We can work out what to do later. There shouldn't be a hurry. Everything is saved. Just let them continue- it will be seen as obvious vandalism by the admins. Keep me informed of any news. Thanks Christianjb 18:21, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the support. I'm hoping that persistance and vigilance will win out. AiG is a multi-million dollar company who care a great deal about perceived negative PR. It's been a struggle to keep up with the anon edits. I've been spending hours every night on this. I'm not going to quit on this page. Christianjb 04:03, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks again. I didn't see your comment until just now because you accidently left it on my user page- not my talk page. Anyway- sorry again for not being as careful as I should be with reading your comments. Thanks for the assistance. Christianjb 10:33, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
I have sent the following email to glbtjews.org
Dear Sir/Madam,
I've got some tough questions regarding an encyclopedia article I am helping to edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answers_in_Genesis
This article in part covers a page by creationist organization "Answers in Genesis" in which the neologisms "homonazi" and "sodomofascist" are used. ( http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/feedback/2005/0218.asp)
These are the questions (and I'm sorry for putting them so bluntly).
Would the neologisms "homonazi" and "sodomofascist" be offensive to most homosexuals? Would they be considered particularly offensive because of the documented persecution in the Holocaust?
Could it be considered offensive for an encyclopedia article to point out the connection between these neologisms and the possible connection with the Holocaust? For instance, would the Jewish community in general feel that it diminishes their suffering for each group to claim they were persecuted- when it was one particular group, the Jews that suffered the worst destruction?
Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. I personally consider the neologisms to be offensive, but as this has been the subject of some dispute with other editors I would like your input.
I want to be accountable for this email, so my full address is: (removed)
Christianjb 10:45, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Hmm I'm not sure about your edit. It's confusing at the moment. Is this section about the creation of the first life-form or is it about evolution? I started out discussing specifically AiG's interpretation about evolution- not the first life-form. Part of the confusion arose because I wrote about 'spontaneous generation'- because AiG talks about the probability of life-forms coming into existance which are obviously not "the first life-form". Their pages really muddy the issue- because I'm really never sure if they really mean that a bacterium for instance really spontaneously generates- which as they are right to point out is fantastically improbable. But it's all attacking a straw man- only the first replicating molecule needs to be explained by an 'origin of life' theory', everything else we explain by descent with modification. Christianjb 05:09, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, I'm way too tired to mess around with this tonight- so let's see what the morning's anon reverts do and take it from there! Christianjb 06:44, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Of course I'm a little bit perturbed whenever I see any of my Shakespearean-quality words edited by another user. Anyway- I like most of what you've done and I'm going to be interested to see if it survives the night. I guess my main point in all of this was that AiG continuously attacks POV's that no evolution scientists hold- and I think most of that argument has survived.
It is hard to see how this section can be written so that it satisfies everyone. I would at least like the AiG supporters to accept that their statements regarding evolution are thoroughly rejected by modern scientists. The trouble is, they will try desperately to show that there's a controversy amongst mainstream scientists regarding evolution- when there really isn't. Every single mainstream scientific organization is unanimous.
On a separate note- I don't know if you've been following my comments on the AiG talk page- where I call AiG a backwards fascist organization (or something like that). Yes- I know, it gives them enormous ammunition in discrediting my edits- but I think it's very important that we realize as Wikipedians that our own views and philosophies about a subject should not matter when editing the page. It really doesn't matter to me whether creationists edit the AiG page, and I have been careful not to insult or offend them when dealing with their questions. Let's be honest- this is in part a propaganda war. The supporters want to use quotes and facts that are relevant to their position and I want to use quotes and facts that are relevant to mine. It's not totally chaotic- I think it's a good way of covering both sides of the debate. However, there's a difference between passionate debate (good) and personal insults (bad) of which I've been receiving quite a lot of lately. I'm not made of stone and it is starting to get to me, but I am determined not to respond in kind by insulting those editors who are attacking me. Christianjb 09:53, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Your response seemed a bit shrill. What say we both just cool off for a while?
For my part, I will post nothing about our conversation until Monday of next week (unless you invite it), other than to thank you for taking the time to engage me on this most confusing and fractious issue. I really do appreciate your efforts to communicate, and I regret any shortness or polemics which annoyed you.
We did in fact speak, and I was wrong to imply that we hadn't!
Cheers. Uncle Ed 16:42, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi, could I ask you put some comment on the talk page of Template:Schoolzone to clarify/explain its desired usage. Since, we already have "stub" tags, I assume "schoozone" is basically targetted to a sub-set of stubs, in dire need of attention (If I'm correct, that's a good tag to have). Basically, I'ld like a guide to know when an article is good enough to take off this tag. -- Rob 18:34, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
You may be interested in Wikipedia talk:Verifiability#Citation format poll: Format of citations and WP:V examples, and WP:FN. ( SEWilco 08:07, 15 December 2005 (UTC))
Thank you for the support in my request for adminship. Let me know if you need help with anything. — FREAK OF NURxTURE ( TALK) 06:10, Dec. 17, 2005
Reverting multiple people's contributions due to your own agenda/desires, isn't how Wikipedia works. My suggestion to you: see if anyone else agrees with you. You can't force your opinion on Wikipedia. If you continue to do so, I'll get some others involved. Consider that if you're the only one reverting multiple people's contributions, over and over, then you may be wrong. Of course, I'm referring to your reverts at List_of_deists.-- Jason Gastrich 23:15, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
For the sake of compromise I didn't put "Darwinistic" back in. However, if you take the time to understand the rules and play the game, you will see that it is very Darwinistic. Perhaps this goes without saying, because drinking games that require coordination penalize those that have already consumed alcohol. Even so, the usage works and should not have been deleted in the first place. Haizum 02:19, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Re: The word is used figuratively and that is as obvious as your malicious intent. Haizum 02:35, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
... Haizium types a lot faster than Eddie ever did ;-) — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 03:29, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Who are you? Why would you ever write on my wall? Who do you think you are? Seriously?
An ISBN for the published Virginia Quarters rules will be provided in due time.
When this happens, will you be on board?
Haizum 08:43, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
By your contributions and own words on Kent Hovind's entry, I see that you dislike color commentary. Me too. The following comments are inappropriate for an encyclopedic article. They are considered color commentary.
"At that point, Ali G was able to cast doubt on Hovind's objections to evolution by asking his guest:"
"In response to Hovind's nervous objections to his method of proof,"
"Hovind's protestations of fecal innocence were unavailing."
These things read like a gossip column and need to be removed, immediately. I took some time and wrote an nPOV contribution, but Larvatus kept reverting it completely in favor of his own. Please help improve this entry. -- Jason Gastrich 21:41, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
I used that link as a main source for it and rewrote some parts of it when I first created it. I also used facts from 3 sources, a annon in DYK and a few sports cards, but some of it does look identical I agree. I know it's not a copyvio and tried not to make it as one. I rewrote some of the content right now. Thanks -- Jaranda wat's sup 02:00, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
This is what Daycd is really all about. He was responding to an absurd proposal that I had posted for another "holier than though" Wikipedian (Zoe), and swallowed it HOOK, LINE, and SINKER. Daycd, you get the 2005 Sucker of the Year Award! Congratulations!
Yes, I agree. We need to stick together if we are to rid the Wiki site of all these undesireables. I would propose that we start by putting blocks on people that we suspect of vandalism. If in doubt, BLOCK. I think we need to block for a year or more, especially if we feel that the person will have no potential to be a bona fide contributor. Also, we need to stop being nice to these people. Just go ahead and put a block on a person if in doubt, and be as rude as possible to discourage editing. Finally, and this is the most controversial, I think we should require some sort of testing to be done to make sure that a potential candidate has at least a certain intelligence quotient. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.116.204 ( talk • contribs)
Bravo. Lets get them and thrown them in jail too. Just out of interest, if you are a serious editor, and you seem to be, why don't you start a user account rather than editing from a AOL IP? David D. (Talk) 22:23, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
The reason I don't register, Einstein, is that it is people like you who give this site a bad name. The above commentary was meant as a sarcastic response to what I see as the "holier than though" attitude prevalent in this project. I had no idea that my "straw man proposal" would be accepted hook, line and sinker by someone so easily. You get the 2005 Sucker of the Year Award! Congratulations! Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Zoe" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.117.10 ( talk • contribs) who has also been posting as User:64.12.116.204
Hey David, I hope you're well. Please come and post on the SAB's talk page. I'd like some people like you to contribute in the discussion about whether or not a mention and/or a link to my rebuttal should be in the SAB's entry. Right now, unfortunately for Wikipedia and all of thinking, humankind, all we have is Dave Horn (WarriorScribe) and Mark Bilbo's input. Since they can't see past their nose on matters that need objectivity, perhaps you and even some of your other friends can help. As you probably know, I'm an honest and sincere contributor to numerous wikipedia entries (new ones and old) and I'm interested in achieving a consensus (as long as the consensus isn't Horn and Bilbo . . . please) and following the rules. So far, all they have done is sidetracked the discussion, assumed bad faith, and launched attacks at me. Quite sad for them (and for the discussion). -- Jason Gastrich 01:10, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Stay off the horace mann page...—Preceding unsigned comment added by Theblacklarl ( talk • contribs)
How can YOU verify information better than we can? You apparently never went here, and unless you show up at our school and walk around on campus in your spare time, we really don't think you have any right to speak whatsoever. - HM Grade Ten students —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.76.182.20 ( talk • contribs)
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Greetings Daycd, I wish to offer my gratitude for supporting me on my recent nomination for adminship, which passed with the final tally of 65/4/3. If you would ever desire my assistance in anything, or wish to give me feedback on any actions I take, feel free to let me know. Cheers! Elle vécut heureusement toujours dorénavant ( Be eudaimonic!) 08:01, 1 January 2006 (UTC) |
Hi David, I hope you're well. Dave Horn (WarriorScribe) has bullied his way into the Hovind article and is espousing his POV, again. I tried to nPOV the paragraphs, but he just reverts them. Perhaps you can come and increase the quality of the entry. I know you have cared about this sort of thing in the past. It's a shame when people like Horn, who care very little about Wikipedia, throw their weight around and try to ruin otherwise-decent articles that others have worked hard on. -- Jason Gastrich 06:01, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for cleaning up my user talk page. I appreciate your help. -- Jiang 08:38, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I agreed with your removal of the quoted material from the postings--including it in an encyclopedia article wasn't necessary to make the point. But I still have problems with the point. Why is it that the opinion of a few unhappy Christians--well, let's face it, one unhappy Christian--so worthy of inclusion in a biographical article? Even if it was representative of any significant group of people, it's a group of people with a non-nPOV, so unless there's some sort of qualifying comment (e.g., "while others find his articles, at times, entertaining and informative."), it really shouldn't be there. WarriorScribe 19:08, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh...and Happy New Year. WarriorScribe 19:08, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
In the course of posting your comment to my talk page, you deleted a comment by Avriette. Please be careful not to delete other people's comments. Cheers! BD2412 T 14:23, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
It could be a club for people who try to help those who run for Admin with less than 50 edits. We could call ourselves "The Gluttons For Punishment". — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 16:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Hello David,
I had always kept an eye on what's going on there so that you can find a solution. The most important thing is for you to be able to communicate each other so that you stop the revert war and find a good solution. It will take time for this and will depends on you. Always will be found a better solution an optimal one. It's better for you to make compromise now. I am still wathching every step as I said before on the talk page at Cabal mediation, but I let you to find your own, best, using your words solution. Bonaparte talk 18:50, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
THank you, I didn't realize I reverted it back to the wrong thing; I guess the vandal was too clever. -- Winter 01:27, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Please see talk page for final decision from the Cabal Mediator Bonaparte talk 20:38, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
David, I accidentally reverted your most recent contribution on the entry. I was actually trying to revert 172.191.17.89's entry because it was sloppy. Sorry about that. -- Jason Gastrich 21:55, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
I left a email for you, I want you to read. Thanks -- Jaranda wat's sup 23:57, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
I responded with a couple of emails. Please reply -- Jaranda wat's sup 00:35, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I withdrew -- Jaranda wat's sup 01:58, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Even if I became a admin, I would had quitted anyways. I just wanted to become one before I quitted as a always just in case thing I need to have sometime for myself. Im waiting for my user page to be deleted so I can leave a long good-bye message. Thanks -- Jaranda wat's sup 02:35, 7 January 2006 (UTC),
Now that things are quiet on the other front, as it were (and for the time being), I think Wiki could use some help in the biology and zoology areas. Are you already working an area? WarriorScribe 17:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Check my talk page for a "fundamentalist watch." Feel free to add anyone you think should be subject to scrutiny. WarriorScribe 18:51, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
It's obvious that you have a problem with people with money and education. Leave the Horace Mann page alone. You know nothing of the school whatsoever. HM doesn't admit dirt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theblacklarl ( talk • contribs)
Yeah you---I am personally attacking you---regarding the fact that you are ruining Wikipedia with nonsense! 18:35, 8 January 2006 (UTC)~~TheBlackLarl
Sorry, I meant the University of Oxford, University of Cambridge, McGill University,
And what I wrote is a fact too, not a lie. Seems The Economist even found the rankings of the Academic Ranking of World Universities objective and liked it enough to put in their articles. http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=4339960 Anakinskywalker 08:41, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Your efforts at mediation and compromise are appreciated. KHM03 16:46, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I have an "Alternate suggestion" posted on talk that seems to meet the critical editors' main objection while not compromising the academic goals of the encyclopedia. Please let me know what you think. DreamGuy 00:11, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Your attention is requested at University of Ottawa for the expected reasons. Hipocrite - «Talk» 21:47, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, put it this way... The older a dictionary you pick up, the more likely it is to define a "myth" as implying something is a fictional or discarded belief. The so-called "academic" definition is the Johnny-come-lately, or at best it is an attempted revival of a Greek usage that fell out of use around 500 BC or so. I say "attempted" revival, because while the dictionaries may have picked it up, it still hasn't caught on with the speaking public yet. I thought dictionaries were supposed to mirror actual usage, not steer it. The same goes for encyclopedias. If a mythology article that talks strictly about widely discredited beliefs, like the Greek and Norse pantheons, is somehow POV, then I guess every other encyclopedia before wikipedia came along is also POV in that regard.
My grandfather was an officer in the first US army contingent to reach Hitler's bunker in 1945 after the Soviets, and I have seen the photographic proof that it was totally filled with carvings of valkyries and Odin, etc... I'm not talking about snapshots, I'm talking about albums published by the Nazis themselves, full of pictures of the interior. With Hitler's passing, I doubt if there are even 100 people alive today who seriously worship the Norse gods or believe they are real. But if you look at the actual messages Dreamguy has been leaving elsewhere, his real argument is that we must cater to a handful of people who believe in the Norse gods today, therefore if the Norse gods are mythology, all of today's religions are also mythology, in order to be NPOV. ፈቃደ ( ውይይት) 16:25, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I read the article, but it doesn't say how many followers they have. Probably more people believe in flying saucers, I daresay.
Hey,
I dont contribute much to Wikipedia, but I read a ridiculous amount. I've noticed that you've pointed out a couple of times gossip as opposed to encyclopedia-worthy fact and commend you. Its really important that people are always making wikipedia more reliable, shall we say "trustigious," and not People magazine. Anyways, there is a fine line between gossip and fact and you manage to get it right almost always.
- WM629
Good morning! What do you suppose are the odds that Gastrich would take the bait when I made it a point to publicly number his reverts, and so he decided to either sign up at AOL (it's usually free for a time, after all, and we all get those disks in the mail), so he could anonymously edit? Or maybe he's using someone else's AOL account (present using IP 207.200.116.10), so that he can sneak in the alumni list at the LBU article without getting nailed for 3RR violations? Funny stuff. WarriorScribe 07:36, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
While copyvio is always an issue, including the complete OED entries for "Myth" and "Mythology" on Talk:Mythology would be relevant, productive, and legal, especially if you put them in blockquotes and properly cite them (see WP:CITE). Thanks. JHCC (talk) 01:42, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree, the only part that hasn't been quoted already is made up of quotes that are already copied from other sources, and none of them are long enough to be a violation (most are too old anyway)... ፈቃደ ( ውይይት) 02:11, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
User michaelwmoss is one of Gastrich's buddies from Indiana. Did you catch that his AOL sock also decided to make an appearance? Predicted that. - WarriorScribe 06:58, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm not working, these days...on a bit of a sabbatical, and was cleaning house during the last couple of days of fun (and between edits).
But if you saw the latest article in the Google 2 group, well, let's put it this way...for someone who has zero dollars against $750 needed, and has about 12 days to put that together so he can build a house for a homeless person in Mexico, Gastrich sure spends a lot of time arguing relatively unimportant stuff in Wikipedia...don't you think? - WarriorScribe 18:31, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Re: this, I think we learned, long ago, that posting without thinking is something of a Gastrich tendency. Imagine the juvenile mind that seeks out commentary on other talk pages so he can try to snipe at people. Funny stuff. Great start to the day. - WarriorScribe 19:49, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
By the by, it exposes yet another attempt at deception by Gastrich. He's obviously reading the commentary (not that there was ever any doubt) and knows about Levicoff's statements, yet was still claiming that there have been no statements by any "reputable source" with respect to LBU ever being a "diploma mill." - WarriorScribe 19:51, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
When you informed Gastrich of the existance of Inclusionists, he acted before understanding. Deletion for LBU list bcatt got an email message from Gastrich soliciting a favorable vote simply because bcatt is an inclusionist. Bcatt went there, voted delete, and told off Gastrich. - Harvestdancer 22:43, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your recent archival of the science reference desk! :-) --
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Wow! Do you have a scan of that? I've never seen one... - WarriorScribe 04:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Maybe if you approach the speed of light, the typping will seem slower to Jason. :) Jim62sch 22:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for taking note of my reply and acting so quickly. Good luck with working towards a solution! -- AySz88^ - ^ 05:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I am going to stick my neck out here and ask those of you who evidently have a long-running dispute with Gastrich to tone down the rhetoric. I freely admit to being an offender myself on occasion, too, so it applies to me as well. If examples of attacks are brought to my notice I will hit that new shiny "block user" button I have because, if we are absolutely honest, some of the time people are poking him with a stick to see of he bites. Great sport on Usenet, but not what Wikipedia is for. -
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You seem to be pushing your views on too others and are acting like a Troll here. I'm new here and attempting to edit with unbiased and facts. Don't accuse me of anything, I'm new here, and I've never met you . Calm down, and be respectful to personal attacks. Economics416 23:18, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
If you keep on accusing me, and personally attacking me, then I will simply contact an Admin and notify you because of your harassment and unfounded charges. Please control yourself. Seems that you are a troll who constantly support your "friends" on wikipedia. Also, it seems that you might be posting under various alias. Economics416 23:21, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Don't accuse if you don't have any proof, watch yourself and be respectful of others views. I checked the history, and it seems whenever someone has a conflict on that page, you, and Adrenn seem to pop up exactly at the same time. I think you two are infact the same user. I will be reporting you if you continue to vandalize my page and personally attacking me. You should really get a life, and stop accusing people who don't know anything about. Economics416 16:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC
Let me put on my shocked face. Ardenn 00:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
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Thank you for your support during my RfA! The community has decided to make me an administrator, and there's work to be done. I look forward to seeing you around the project in the future, and if you see me do anything dumb, let me know right away! Regards, CHAIRBOY ( ☎) 23:12, 27 January 2006 (UTC) |
I would like to invite Dr Day as a fairminded man as well as a practicing botanist with relevant knowledge on taxonomy to give a moderating opinion on whether Kareesh is right to tag my Monospecific article for removal to Wiktionary. My view on the matter is on my talk page, but I may not be correct as I am not aware of all the philosophy around here, and to be frank find a lot of it counter-intuitive.-- Uncle Davey (Talk) 16:42, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
So left justified is fine. I liked it on the right, but I never know how anything looks on anyone else's screen. Have you noticed that's you've been overtaken in the treasure hunt, by the way? - brenneman (t) (c) 04:35, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you that we need some definite authority to tell us wat is currently considered a race. I was wondering if there are some textbooks in social studies or similar fields that can help us? --BorisFromStockdale 06:02, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry I was unable to respond to your post regarding the edit war at Louisiana Baptist University - I've been super-busy at work and at home, but I'm glad to see the situation got resolved. Cheers! BD2412 T 15:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
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Why were the pages belonging to this user deleted? I see that there were previously 96 edits on the talk page and 88 edits on the main user page. Bahn Mi 22:09, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Hope you can help us on Human. An new pair of fresh eyes can do wonders.... ≈ jossi ≈ 01:31, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for the complements on the McClintock article. I have another biography to read before it's finished. I was wondering how you found the text- would it be confusing for people that don't know anything about genetics? -- nixie 04:13, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading Image:Fog&Sunny3.JPG. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the image, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created the image yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the image on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the image yourself then you should also specify where you found it, ie in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.
If the image also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture then you can use {{gfdl}} to release it under the GFDL. If you can claim fair use use {{fairuse}}.) See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.
If you have uploaded other images, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thanks so much. -- cohesion | talk 07:22, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
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Thank you for your support on my RfA, and for your very kind words. Both are sincerely appreciated. ≈ jossi fresco ≈ t • @ 15:49, 15 October 2005 (UTC) |
Ronald20 ( talk · contribs) does occasionally do some good edits, so I try not to do Pavlovian knee -jerk reverts of his edits. One reason for that is that although he has never responded to any attempts to contact him he does seem to learn by example sometimes. Therefore I try, whenever possible, to do some cleanup on an article that he has edited instead of just simple reverts. You can see some more information about Ronald20 at User:BlankVerse/RonaldWatch.
You should watch that you don't blame every weird edit on TV and radio articles on Ronald20. He only edits from that user name, from dial-up IPs from the o1.com ISP, and from lausd.net ( Los Angeles Unified School District). Also, his edit style is very obvious to me. There is another editor that has been dubbed the AOLBroadcastFan (see User:ErikNY/AOLBroadcastFan), plus there are a couple of other editors with odd editing habits that also edit broadcast articles.
Ronald20 doesn't do that much editing, and when he does his edits are usually easy to track. Furthermore, the falsehoods that he adds are usually very easy to spot (adding a death date way in the future to Snoop Dogg, saying that the Dodge nameplate has been retired, adding that KDIS (K-Disney) has abandoned their kid-friendly format). I have a much greater problem, for example, with editors who want to add unchallenged ID nonsense to the evolution article, or bigots who add trash to the Kwanzaa article. For more of my musing on Wikipedia issues, you can check out BlankVerse's ever-lengthening Wikipedia rants.
As for my "Use the Wikipedia at your own risk!" warning: It is just an enhanced and expanded, as well as more visible and more insistent version of the warning at Wikipedia:General disclaimer that you find linked to on every Wikipedia page. It's the version that I think that the Wikipedia should be using, but for now I will settle for it being on my user pages. I have been thinking of turning it into a subpage so that I can occasionally modify it while keeping the version on both my user page and talk page synchronized. If I do that, I will notify you if you want so that you can transclude that version. BlankVerse ∅ 04:22, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
I am currently amassing evidence of the misconduct demonstrated by User:Tony Sidaway and would appreciate your help in the matter. If you would please post any contributions you may have to User:TheChief/Evidence I would appreciate it very much. TheChief (PowWow) 23:40, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
That view of the school Wiki u gave was excellent and very true. I doubt the school watch people cares about thier own schools.I come across just horrible school articles and heavy vandalism of them alot and I havent seen one revert made by the 3 main members:Kappa, Nicolumus79, Thiverr. Thats is some thing that needs to change. Im one of the few who acually reverts nonsense junk in schools articles and some times Im tempt to AFD them but I cant do anything has its probaly going to be kept. Thats why I normally vote delete on schools cause It just will be another badly vandalised article later on and I belive a school wiki should be made cause of that. Im going to email Ryan Norton as he is in a permanint wikibreak and cant do anything in talk about creating the vote page for the new school wiki and hopefully there the vandalism goes away and both deletetionist and illusionist of those schools be happy. -- JAranda | watz sup 01:08, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
I read your comment and laughed out loud. So very true. :-) Chris talk back 20:54, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for saying so. I do appreciate the support on this. Gateman1997 23:44, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Well, a redirect should do for the moment. According to the manual of style, the first instance of mitochondrial myopathy can now be bolded on that page. Hopefully one day it will become its own article, but it's not a priorty of mine to work on that now... unless one of my patients turns out to have it & I'll be forced to read up on it :-) JFW | T@lk 19:36, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
Templates is a really tough question. I just keep finding so many exceptions, that it's really hard to find a pattern. You're right that I've been doing a separate table each time. I realize the problems with this. However, I find it's problematic forcing a standard. Different jurisdictions, use wildly different terms, for the same thing. Canadian schools have unique organizations, like Separate school districts (not public, and not private). Often, what's one item in one school, could be multiple items for another. But, even within Alberta, I find patterns difficult.
Some schools "feed" or are "fed" by certain others schools, while other schools have no such special relationships.
I had hoped that I would see a pattern, and then create/update a template, but so far, the pattern hasn't stabilized. Just recently, I've dealt with what should be a simple field "Primary language" (e.g. English or French). However, there are different cases: French language schools run by French school districts for French families, and French immersion schools run by English language districts for English families. So, I'm not sure how to make a template flexible enough to handle such stuff, but simple enough for simple cases. So, anyhow, I'll have to keep thinking about this one. It ain't simple. -- rob 15:48, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the thought. I agree that merging may not necessarily be the best solution, but then neither is everything having its own little article. The schools group is taking a very scattergun approach to the issue, blasting out a whole muzzleful of substubs and hoping that some of them will take. I contend that's not the best way to provide people with quality information.
I recently did a small study on the fate of school articles. I looked at the entire set of school articles for the states of California and Texas (I chose those two because they were big states and likely to have lots of school articles.) I was especially interested in the long-term fate of an article, so I was looking for articles more than a year old. I found twelve. Of the twelve, only two had undergone substantial growth since their initial writing. Five others had undergone some growth. Five were essentially unchanged. This means that nearly half the articles had not shown any improvement since they were first created. Now we have people on the schools bandwagon creating stubs like there was no tomorrow. My guess is that most of them will also be unchanged this time next year. The percentage may well end up being worse than it is now, because a greater number of people are creating stubs for the sake of creating stubs, and there is no vested interest in seeing the articles improve. I think the eventualists are really dreaming with their eyes open when it comes to school articles.
Thanks for dropping me a line (apropos to what, I'm not sure). It's always nice to dialog. Denni ☯ 03:04, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
I got your message and added some comments to a few more of the arguments. Care to pick up where I left off? flowersofnight (talk) 23:00, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
re Talk:Washington Elementary School: WikiProject Schools needs to start a major disambiguation campaign because I keep finding school articles where there should be disambiguation pages. Many of the articles should be obvious that they should be disambiguation pages (like Washington Elementary School), but the majority of school articles should be checked against Google to verify that their school name is unique. This should be done for both school articles and school redirects.
After creating a couple of school disambiguation pages tonight, I am wondering whether there should be a school disambiguation template, so that you could have a school disambiguation category. Blank Verse 13:25, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Sorry to break the news to you, but I already told someone that "professional wrestling" is not a sport, according to Vincent Kennedy McMahon, but "scripted entertainment", which is why you should have left the Eddie Guerrero death story on the current events page. NoseNuggets 11:08 AM US EST Nov 15 2005.
I understand you deleting the link to The Skeptic's Annotated Bible: Corrected and Explained (a rebuttal to) The Skeptic's Annotated Bible is simply you trying to attack the author (Gastrich) and silence Christian thought and Christian replies to alleged Bible errors. Should anyone conclude otherwise?-- Bobby Lou 06:01, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
I was rather suprised at this example you gave. Bartlett High School, Bartlett, Illinois was merged into Elgin Area School District U46. I frankly, think the target article is not more encyclopedic than the school article (in its last form), and frankly has less potential to ever be encyclopedic.
To me Calgary Board of Education and Calgary Catholic School District are what district articles should be, in order to be encyclopedic. Notice I exclude phone numbers, and per-school attendance. They don't list all 300 Calgary schools. Instead they use the space to talk about the actual district, and what is mentioned in the high-school-only listing, has less-volitile info (e.g. grade ranges not attendance). Follow the blue-links in those school articles, and you'll find proper encyclopedic school articles (showing the potential of regular schools). A district article should inform the reader of the district, and not just list data.
In any event, I think your example shows that merges don't fix anything, they just transfer problems.
Also, on your comment
Unfortunately, comments like this forced me to stop fixing the typical AFD'd school (as it encouraged more nominations-for-cleanup). I took huge numbers of previously AFD'd schools off my watch list. I've frequently improved articles that were never AFD'd, but of course that goes unseen, as do countless great school articles. You can't form an opinion on potential of school articles from the AFD listing, or the school-stub categories. Of course, even without me improving the AFD'd school articles, and even without me voting (most recently) they're still all kept, just with less improvement. Despite your comments, I finish school articles I start, and the problem of incomplete articles being created is not specific to schools, and neither is the solution. -- Rob 10:34, 22 November 2005 (UTC)
The answer to your question is maybe. It's possible that Eddie is a troll, however it's also likely that he's a newbie, possibly young and inexperienced. I'm going to try to assume good faith and give him the benefit of the doubt. The more people involved, the better, so please be mindful of his contribs. At this point, he could really use a mentor. -- Viriditas 02:26, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Given what is happening in the Rfa's Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/EddieSegoura and now Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/EddieSegoura_2. Given that the word Exicornt appears made up. Given the use of sock puppets. Given the use of minor edit designation for major edits. I can't judge if most of his edits are correct/verifiable or not but the grammar is awful, almost intensional. Adding all these things together from a user who has only been around for less than a month shouldn't this users edits all be reverted as non verifiable? David D. (Talk) 01:41, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
EddieSegoura ( talk • contribs • page moves • block user • block log) edits mainly via AOL. As such, it is impossible to identify whether any other account is a sock of his, given AOL's randomizing proxies. Kelly Martin ( talk) 03:43, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Re: you comments on Silensor's page - Yes, there should be something merged, which is exactly why I copied the entire text to the talk page of the city and asked for input. The "district" idea as discussed on WP:SCH is good, too. It seems, though, that schools will not stay merged.
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Sometimes I feel exactly that way. - brenneman (t) (c) 20:28, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
The harm is that an 89 kilobyte thesaurus doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article. If nothing else, note the "article size" warning at the top when you edit the page. "Having examples" means one or two sentences with a handful of examples, not an attempt to catalogue every conceivable term. The Literate Engineer 18:10, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
I see your point about having examples, and I agree that there should be a few to illustrate the concept. However, I don't think there should be so many examples that anyone would think to call it a list. Like I said, I think there should be a handful - half a dozen at most, and embedded in the article's text. So for all intents and purposes, I think the list should be removed altogether, but non-listed examples inserted. The Literate Engineer 18:30, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
As far as I know, it's an appropriate use of wikisaurus. Actually, I hadn't even heard of Wikisaurus until UncleG told me that somebody'd suggested transwiking the whole list to Wikisaurus. I assumed, based on that box, that the transwikiing of legitimate terms was complete. The Literate Engineer 22:01, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. It makes my day when someone takes the time to thank me for my work. Let me reciprocate by thanking you for looking out for all my typos. Christianjb 07:34, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
I'm delighted to see at least one person not condemning me as some kind of anti-intellectual. However I suspect I will be soon be the target of personal attacks, having been vaulted into the WP:SCH spotlight like that. No worries though, I'm prepared to deal with it. What I was really trying to say (though it probably did not come out right) is that for an article on an individual school to be included in a world-wide encyclopedia, the article better be pretty f---in' interesting as about 99% of individual schools are literally unknown to people living 3+ county lines away.
Uh, oh... as I hit the preview button to check for typographical errors, I see that I have new messages. Battlestations, men.
— FREAK OF NURxTURE ( TALK) 18:16, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Let's lay some cabal... call ourselves "the dropouts" or something I dunno. — FREAK OF NURxTURE ( TALK) 20:35, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
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It occured to me that I replied to you on my talk page. So you probably didn't see my reply (duh). I'm too used to Usenet. Anyway, if you get bored... User_talk:Markkbilbo. Mark K. Bilbo 04:24, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Webcomics has been accepted. Please place evidence at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Webcomics/Evidence. Proposals and comments may be placed at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Webcomics/Workshop. Fred Bauder 22:52, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Just to let you know that 58.162.252.67 is mounting an attack on Answers in Genesis and Jonathan Sarfati. Any help in the next day or two will be appreciated. Christianjb 17:31, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
I suggest letting them (it's 2 machines now) make any edits they want for the next few hours. Don't fight it. See my comments on the associated discussion page. We can work out what to do later. There shouldn't be a hurry. Everything is saved. Just let them continue- it will be seen as obvious vandalism by the admins. Keep me informed of any news. Thanks Christianjb 18:21, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the support. I'm hoping that persistance and vigilance will win out. AiG is a multi-million dollar company who care a great deal about perceived negative PR. It's been a struggle to keep up with the anon edits. I've been spending hours every night on this. I'm not going to quit on this page. Christianjb 04:03, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks again. I didn't see your comment until just now because you accidently left it on my user page- not my talk page. Anyway- sorry again for not being as careful as I should be with reading your comments. Thanks for the assistance. Christianjb 10:33, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
I have sent the following email to glbtjews.org
Dear Sir/Madam,
I've got some tough questions regarding an encyclopedia article I am helping to edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answers_in_Genesis
This article in part covers a page by creationist organization "Answers in Genesis" in which the neologisms "homonazi" and "sodomofascist" are used. ( http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/feedback/2005/0218.asp)
These are the questions (and I'm sorry for putting them so bluntly).
Would the neologisms "homonazi" and "sodomofascist" be offensive to most homosexuals? Would they be considered particularly offensive because of the documented persecution in the Holocaust?
Could it be considered offensive for an encyclopedia article to point out the connection between these neologisms and the possible connection with the Holocaust? For instance, would the Jewish community in general feel that it diminishes their suffering for each group to claim they were persecuted- when it was one particular group, the Jews that suffered the worst destruction?
Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. I personally consider the neologisms to be offensive, but as this has been the subject of some dispute with other editors I would like your input.
I want to be accountable for this email, so my full address is: (removed)
Christianjb 10:45, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Hmm I'm not sure about your edit. It's confusing at the moment. Is this section about the creation of the first life-form or is it about evolution? I started out discussing specifically AiG's interpretation about evolution- not the first life-form. Part of the confusion arose because I wrote about 'spontaneous generation'- because AiG talks about the probability of life-forms coming into existance which are obviously not "the first life-form". Their pages really muddy the issue- because I'm really never sure if they really mean that a bacterium for instance really spontaneously generates- which as they are right to point out is fantastically improbable. But it's all attacking a straw man- only the first replicating molecule needs to be explained by an 'origin of life' theory', everything else we explain by descent with modification. Christianjb 05:09, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, I'm way too tired to mess around with this tonight- so let's see what the morning's anon reverts do and take it from there! Christianjb 06:44, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Of course I'm a little bit perturbed whenever I see any of my Shakespearean-quality words edited by another user. Anyway- I like most of what you've done and I'm going to be interested to see if it survives the night. I guess my main point in all of this was that AiG continuously attacks POV's that no evolution scientists hold- and I think most of that argument has survived.
It is hard to see how this section can be written so that it satisfies everyone. I would at least like the AiG supporters to accept that their statements regarding evolution are thoroughly rejected by modern scientists. The trouble is, they will try desperately to show that there's a controversy amongst mainstream scientists regarding evolution- when there really isn't. Every single mainstream scientific organization is unanimous.
On a separate note- I don't know if you've been following my comments on the AiG talk page- where I call AiG a backwards fascist organization (or something like that). Yes- I know, it gives them enormous ammunition in discrediting my edits- but I think it's very important that we realize as Wikipedians that our own views and philosophies about a subject should not matter when editing the page. It really doesn't matter to me whether creationists edit the AiG page, and I have been careful not to insult or offend them when dealing with their questions. Let's be honest- this is in part a propaganda war. The supporters want to use quotes and facts that are relevant to their position and I want to use quotes and facts that are relevant to mine. It's not totally chaotic- I think it's a good way of covering both sides of the debate. However, there's a difference between passionate debate (good) and personal insults (bad) of which I've been receiving quite a lot of lately. I'm not made of stone and it is starting to get to me, but I am determined not to respond in kind by insulting those editors who are attacking me. Christianjb 09:53, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Your response seemed a bit shrill. What say we both just cool off for a while?
For my part, I will post nothing about our conversation until Monday of next week (unless you invite it), other than to thank you for taking the time to engage me on this most confusing and fractious issue. I really do appreciate your efforts to communicate, and I regret any shortness or polemics which annoyed you.
We did in fact speak, and I was wrong to imply that we hadn't!
Cheers. Uncle Ed 16:42, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi, could I ask you put some comment on the talk page of Template:Schoolzone to clarify/explain its desired usage. Since, we already have "stub" tags, I assume "schoozone" is basically targetted to a sub-set of stubs, in dire need of attention (If I'm correct, that's a good tag to have). Basically, I'ld like a guide to know when an article is good enough to take off this tag. -- Rob 18:34, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
You may be interested in Wikipedia talk:Verifiability#Citation format poll: Format of citations and WP:V examples, and WP:FN. ( SEWilco 08:07, 15 December 2005 (UTC))
Thank you for the support in my request for adminship. Let me know if you need help with anything. — FREAK OF NURxTURE ( TALK) 06:10, Dec. 17, 2005
Reverting multiple people's contributions due to your own agenda/desires, isn't how Wikipedia works. My suggestion to you: see if anyone else agrees with you. You can't force your opinion on Wikipedia. If you continue to do so, I'll get some others involved. Consider that if you're the only one reverting multiple people's contributions, over and over, then you may be wrong. Of course, I'm referring to your reverts at List_of_deists.-- Jason Gastrich 23:15, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
For the sake of compromise I didn't put "Darwinistic" back in. However, if you take the time to understand the rules and play the game, you will see that it is very Darwinistic. Perhaps this goes without saying, because drinking games that require coordination penalize those that have already consumed alcohol. Even so, the usage works and should not have been deleted in the first place. Haizum 02:19, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Re: The word is used figuratively and that is as obvious as your malicious intent. Haizum 02:35, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
... Haizium types a lot faster than Eddie ever did ;-) — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 03:29, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
Who are you? Why would you ever write on my wall? Who do you think you are? Seriously?
An ISBN for the published Virginia Quarters rules will be provided in due time.
When this happens, will you be on board?
Haizum 08:43, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
By your contributions and own words on Kent Hovind's entry, I see that you dislike color commentary. Me too. The following comments are inappropriate for an encyclopedic article. They are considered color commentary.
"At that point, Ali G was able to cast doubt on Hovind's objections to evolution by asking his guest:"
"In response to Hovind's nervous objections to his method of proof,"
"Hovind's protestations of fecal innocence were unavailing."
These things read like a gossip column and need to be removed, immediately. I took some time and wrote an nPOV contribution, but Larvatus kept reverting it completely in favor of his own. Please help improve this entry. -- Jason Gastrich 21:41, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
I used that link as a main source for it and rewrote some parts of it when I first created it. I also used facts from 3 sources, a annon in DYK and a few sports cards, but some of it does look identical I agree. I know it's not a copyvio and tried not to make it as one. I rewrote some of the content right now. Thanks -- Jaranda wat's sup 02:00, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
This is what Daycd is really all about. He was responding to an absurd proposal that I had posted for another "holier than though" Wikipedian (Zoe), and swallowed it HOOK, LINE, and SINKER. Daycd, you get the 2005 Sucker of the Year Award! Congratulations!
Yes, I agree. We need to stick together if we are to rid the Wiki site of all these undesireables. I would propose that we start by putting blocks on people that we suspect of vandalism. If in doubt, BLOCK. I think we need to block for a year or more, especially if we feel that the person will have no potential to be a bona fide contributor. Also, we need to stop being nice to these people. Just go ahead and put a block on a person if in doubt, and be as rude as possible to discourage editing. Finally, and this is the most controversial, I think we should require some sort of testing to be done to make sure that a potential candidate has at least a certain intelligence quotient. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.116.204 ( talk • contribs)
Bravo. Lets get them and thrown them in jail too. Just out of interest, if you are a serious editor, and you seem to be, why don't you start a user account rather than editing from a AOL IP? David D. (Talk) 22:23, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
The reason I don't register, Einstein, is that it is people like you who give this site a bad name. The above commentary was meant as a sarcastic response to what I see as the "holier than though" attitude prevalent in this project. I had no idea that my "straw man proposal" would be accepted hook, line and sinker by someone so easily. You get the 2005 Sucker of the Year Award! Congratulations! Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Zoe" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.117.10 ( talk • contribs) who has also been posting as User:64.12.116.204
Hey David, I hope you're well. Please come and post on the SAB's talk page. I'd like some people like you to contribute in the discussion about whether or not a mention and/or a link to my rebuttal should be in the SAB's entry. Right now, unfortunately for Wikipedia and all of thinking, humankind, all we have is Dave Horn (WarriorScribe) and Mark Bilbo's input. Since they can't see past their nose on matters that need objectivity, perhaps you and even some of your other friends can help. As you probably know, I'm an honest and sincere contributor to numerous wikipedia entries (new ones and old) and I'm interested in achieving a consensus (as long as the consensus isn't Horn and Bilbo . . . please) and following the rules. So far, all they have done is sidetracked the discussion, assumed bad faith, and launched attacks at me. Quite sad for them (and for the discussion). -- Jason Gastrich 01:10, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Stay off the horace mann page...—Preceding unsigned comment added by Theblacklarl ( talk • contribs)
How can YOU verify information better than we can? You apparently never went here, and unless you show up at our school and walk around on campus in your spare time, we really don't think you have any right to speak whatsoever. - HM Grade Ten students —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.76.182.20 ( talk • contribs)
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Greetings Daycd, I wish to offer my gratitude for supporting me on my recent nomination for adminship, which passed with the final tally of 65/4/3. If you would ever desire my assistance in anything, or wish to give me feedback on any actions I take, feel free to let me know. Cheers! Elle vécut heureusement toujours dorénavant ( Be eudaimonic!) 08:01, 1 January 2006 (UTC) |
Hi David, I hope you're well. Dave Horn (WarriorScribe) has bullied his way into the Hovind article and is espousing his POV, again. I tried to nPOV the paragraphs, but he just reverts them. Perhaps you can come and increase the quality of the entry. I know you have cared about this sort of thing in the past. It's a shame when people like Horn, who care very little about Wikipedia, throw their weight around and try to ruin otherwise-decent articles that others have worked hard on. -- Jason Gastrich 06:01, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for cleaning up my user talk page. I appreciate your help. -- Jiang 08:38, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I agreed with your removal of the quoted material from the postings--including it in an encyclopedia article wasn't necessary to make the point. But I still have problems with the point. Why is it that the opinion of a few unhappy Christians--well, let's face it, one unhappy Christian--so worthy of inclusion in a biographical article? Even if it was representative of any significant group of people, it's a group of people with a non-nPOV, so unless there's some sort of qualifying comment (e.g., "while others find his articles, at times, entertaining and informative."), it really shouldn't be there. WarriorScribe 19:08, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh...and Happy New Year. WarriorScribe 19:08, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
In the course of posting your comment to my talk page, you deleted a comment by Avriette. Please be careful not to delete other people's comments. Cheers! BD2412 T 14:23, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
It could be a club for people who try to help those who run for Admin with less than 50 edits. We could call ourselves "The Gluttons For Punishment". — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 16:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Hello David,
I had always kept an eye on what's going on there so that you can find a solution. The most important thing is for you to be able to communicate each other so that you stop the revert war and find a good solution. It will take time for this and will depends on you. Always will be found a better solution an optimal one. It's better for you to make compromise now. I am still wathching every step as I said before on the talk page at Cabal mediation, but I let you to find your own, best, using your words solution. Bonaparte talk 18:50, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
THank you, I didn't realize I reverted it back to the wrong thing; I guess the vandal was too clever. -- Winter 01:27, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Please see talk page for final decision from the Cabal Mediator Bonaparte talk 20:38, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
David, I accidentally reverted your most recent contribution on the entry. I was actually trying to revert 172.191.17.89's entry because it was sloppy. Sorry about that. -- Jason Gastrich 21:55, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
I left a email for you, I want you to read. Thanks -- Jaranda wat's sup 23:57, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
I responded with a couple of emails. Please reply -- Jaranda wat's sup 00:35, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I withdrew -- Jaranda wat's sup 01:58, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Even if I became a admin, I would had quitted anyways. I just wanted to become one before I quitted as a always just in case thing I need to have sometime for myself. Im waiting for my user page to be deleted so I can leave a long good-bye message. Thanks -- Jaranda wat's sup 02:35, 7 January 2006 (UTC),
Now that things are quiet on the other front, as it were (and for the time being), I think Wiki could use some help in the biology and zoology areas. Are you already working an area? WarriorScribe 17:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Check my talk page for a "fundamentalist watch." Feel free to add anyone you think should be subject to scrutiny. WarriorScribe 18:51, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
It's obvious that you have a problem with people with money and education. Leave the Horace Mann page alone. You know nothing of the school whatsoever. HM doesn't admit dirt. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theblacklarl ( talk • contribs)
Yeah you---I am personally attacking you---regarding the fact that you are ruining Wikipedia with nonsense! 18:35, 8 January 2006 (UTC)~~TheBlackLarl
Sorry, I meant the University of Oxford, University of Cambridge, McGill University,
And what I wrote is a fact too, not a lie. Seems The Economist even found the rankings of the Academic Ranking of World Universities objective and liked it enough to put in their articles. http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=4339960 Anakinskywalker 08:41, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Your efforts at mediation and compromise are appreciated. KHM03 16:46, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I have an "Alternate suggestion" posted on talk that seems to meet the critical editors' main objection while not compromising the academic goals of the encyclopedia. Please let me know what you think. DreamGuy 00:11, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Your attention is requested at University of Ottawa for the expected reasons. Hipocrite - «Talk» 21:47, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, put it this way... The older a dictionary you pick up, the more likely it is to define a "myth" as implying something is a fictional or discarded belief. The so-called "academic" definition is the Johnny-come-lately, or at best it is an attempted revival of a Greek usage that fell out of use around 500 BC or so. I say "attempted" revival, because while the dictionaries may have picked it up, it still hasn't caught on with the speaking public yet. I thought dictionaries were supposed to mirror actual usage, not steer it. The same goes for encyclopedias. If a mythology article that talks strictly about widely discredited beliefs, like the Greek and Norse pantheons, is somehow POV, then I guess every other encyclopedia before wikipedia came along is also POV in that regard.
My grandfather was an officer in the first US army contingent to reach Hitler's bunker in 1945 after the Soviets, and I have seen the photographic proof that it was totally filled with carvings of valkyries and Odin, etc... I'm not talking about snapshots, I'm talking about albums published by the Nazis themselves, full of pictures of the interior. With Hitler's passing, I doubt if there are even 100 people alive today who seriously worship the Norse gods or believe they are real. But if you look at the actual messages Dreamguy has been leaving elsewhere, his real argument is that we must cater to a handful of people who believe in the Norse gods today, therefore if the Norse gods are mythology, all of today's religions are also mythology, in order to be NPOV. ፈቃደ ( ውይይት) 16:25, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I read the article, but it doesn't say how many followers they have. Probably more people believe in flying saucers, I daresay.
Hey,
I dont contribute much to Wikipedia, but I read a ridiculous amount. I've noticed that you've pointed out a couple of times gossip as opposed to encyclopedia-worthy fact and commend you. Its really important that people are always making wikipedia more reliable, shall we say "trustigious," and not People magazine. Anyways, there is a fine line between gossip and fact and you manage to get it right almost always.
- WM629
Good morning! What do you suppose are the odds that Gastrich would take the bait when I made it a point to publicly number his reverts, and so he decided to either sign up at AOL (it's usually free for a time, after all, and we all get those disks in the mail), so he could anonymously edit? Or maybe he's using someone else's AOL account (present using IP 207.200.116.10), so that he can sneak in the alumni list at the LBU article without getting nailed for 3RR violations? Funny stuff. WarriorScribe 07:36, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
While copyvio is always an issue, including the complete OED entries for "Myth" and "Mythology" on Talk:Mythology would be relevant, productive, and legal, especially if you put them in blockquotes and properly cite them (see WP:CITE). Thanks. JHCC (talk) 01:42, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree, the only part that hasn't been quoted already is made up of quotes that are already copied from other sources, and none of them are long enough to be a violation (most are too old anyway)... ፈቃደ ( ውይይት) 02:11, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
User michaelwmoss is one of Gastrich's buddies from Indiana. Did you catch that his AOL sock also decided to make an appearance? Predicted that. - WarriorScribe 06:58, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm not working, these days...on a bit of a sabbatical, and was cleaning house during the last couple of days of fun (and between edits).
But if you saw the latest article in the Google 2 group, well, let's put it this way...for someone who has zero dollars against $750 needed, and has about 12 days to put that together so he can build a house for a homeless person in Mexico, Gastrich sure spends a lot of time arguing relatively unimportant stuff in Wikipedia...don't you think? - WarriorScribe 18:31, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Re: this, I think we learned, long ago, that posting without thinking is something of a Gastrich tendency. Imagine the juvenile mind that seeks out commentary on other talk pages so he can try to snipe at people. Funny stuff. Great start to the day. - WarriorScribe 19:49, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
By the by, it exposes yet another attempt at deception by Gastrich. He's obviously reading the commentary (not that there was ever any doubt) and knows about Levicoff's statements, yet was still claiming that there have been no statements by any "reputable source" with respect to LBU ever being a "diploma mill." - WarriorScribe 19:51, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
When you informed Gastrich of the existance of Inclusionists, he acted before understanding. Deletion for LBU list bcatt got an email message from Gastrich soliciting a favorable vote simply because bcatt is an inclusionist. Bcatt went there, voted delete, and told off Gastrich. - Harvestdancer 22:43, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your recent archival of the science reference desk! :-) --
HappyCamper
02:55, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
Wow! Do you have a scan of that? I've never seen one... - WarriorScribe 04:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Maybe if you approach the speed of light, the typping will seem slower to Jason. :) Jim62sch 22:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for taking note of my reply and acting so quickly. Good luck with working towards a solution! -- AySz88^ - ^ 05:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I am going to stick my neck out here and ask those of you who evidently have a long-running dispute with Gastrich to tone down the rhetoric. I freely admit to being an offender myself on occasion, too, so it applies to me as well. If examples of attacks are brought to my notice I will hit that new shiny "block user" button I have because, if we are absolutely honest, some of the time people are poking him with a stick to see of he bites. Great sport on Usenet, but not what Wikipedia is for. -
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You seem to be pushing your views on too others and are acting like a Troll here. I'm new here and attempting to edit with unbiased and facts. Don't accuse me of anything, I'm new here, and I've never met you . Calm down, and be respectful to personal attacks. Economics416 23:18, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
If you keep on accusing me, and personally attacking me, then I will simply contact an Admin and notify you because of your harassment and unfounded charges. Please control yourself. Seems that you are a troll who constantly support your "friends" on wikipedia. Also, it seems that you might be posting under various alias. Economics416 23:21, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Don't accuse if you don't have any proof, watch yourself and be respectful of others views. I checked the history, and it seems whenever someone has a conflict on that page, you, and Adrenn seem to pop up exactly at the same time. I think you two are infact the same user. I will be reporting you if you continue to vandalize my page and personally attacking me. You should really get a life, and stop accusing people who don't know anything about. Economics416 16:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC
Let me put on my shocked face. Ardenn 00:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
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Thank you for your support during my RfA! The community has decided to make me an administrator, and there's work to be done. I look forward to seeing you around the project in the future, and if you see me do anything dumb, let me know right away! Regards, CHAIRBOY ( ☎) 23:12, 27 January 2006 (UTC) |
I would like to invite Dr Day as a fairminded man as well as a practicing botanist with relevant knowledge on taxonomy to give a moderating opinion on whether Kareesh is right to tag my Monospecific article for removal to Wiktionary. My view on the matter is on my talk page, but I may not be correct as I am not aware of all the philosophy around here, and to be frank find a lot of it counter-intuitive.-- Uncle Davey (Talk) 16:42, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
So left justified is fine. I liked it on the right, but I never know how anything looks on anyone else's screen. Have you noticed that's you've been overtaken in the treasure hunt, by the way? - brenneman (t) (c) 04:35, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you that we need some definite authority to tell us wat is currently considered a race. I was wondering if there are some textbooks in social studies or similar fields that can help us? --BorisFromStockdale 06:02, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I'm sorry I was unable to respond to your post regarding the edit war at Louisiana Baptist University - I've been super-busy at work and at home, but I'm glad to see the situation got resolved. Cheers! BD2412 T 15:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)