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Hi, Dave. Someone else had tagged your work as a speedy deleteable copyright violation. Of course, you're welcome to write the article in your own words. If you're the original author, it needs to read less like an essay. Hope this helps. Yell if you need me; I'm signing off for now but I'll be around and I'll gladly get back to you ASAP. Thanks for being polite about this. You're obviously well-educated and this site can't get enough good editors. You'd be a tremendous asset! - Lucky 6.9 03:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
( Edit conflicted with the above comment, if any of this sounds familiar:) Hello there! Yes, the name was probably not a good choice; the ALL CAPS didn't help either. But that wasn't the reason I deleted the article. I apologize for not providing a more detailed reason; my finger slipped in the middle of typing it out and hit the "enter" key, which is why my reason is so short and jumbled. For starters, the text you submitted it copyrighted, which means it probably isn't allowable under Wikipedia given that all content on the encyclopaedia is licensed using the GFDL. Secondly, Wikipedia doesn't allow original research which it appears your article is. In fact it reads more like an essay than an encyclopaedia article, which is also something Wikipedia isn't really looking for.
In fact, the text you submitted is already linked from the article, and so any interested readers can find it from there. I hope this clears things up. If you have any other questions or comments, let me know if I can help. Cheers. -- P e ruvianLlama( spit) 03:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I didn't delete the article itself, I just deleted the AFD. Of course any improvement to the Norac article would be welcomed. Adam Bishop 18:33, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I've opposed your FA nomination and failed your GA nomination. I'd like you to know that FA and GA nominations are not meant to be sent out at the same time. The good article nomination is meant as more of a stepping stone to the FA nomination. Once and article becomes and featured article, it is removed from the good article list. Therefore, it would very troublesome for users that work on the good article pages, to have to keep adding and removing the same articles constantly. In the future, when you want to nominate an article for FA status. Please either nominate it for GA status and then (after the nomination has been passed) nominate it for FA status. Or you could simply nominate the article for FA and FA alone. The Filmaker 20:45, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I suppose I can understand why you did that, so I am very far from accusing you of any bad faith. That said, you should not be removing anything that itself is not vandalism from a talk page. The tag and review comments are supposed to stay in the talk page (just as the ones related to FA) for the record and to give insight to future reviewers or editors interested in expanding the article to bring it closer to GA/FA standards. So, please do not remove anything. Thanks, Bravada, talk - 11:11, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Wow, you've got a lot of words to say very little. Seriously, I got what you meant from the first paragraph on weasel words, and I actually found your Star Wars analogy to be confusing (how is it that we are giving more power to the administrators), and I don't believe that Wikipedia is becoming an Evil Empire (whatever that might represent). I understand that you don't want to renominate the Public-access television article for GA, however this has all become a bit confusing for me. Either I have been misinformed about a few things, or I just need to catch up on my reading with the GA rules. On weasel words, perhaps you are right. That they could be taken in the wrong way, however I am not interested in revitalizing the Wikipedia community. I'm interested in operating within it and changing with the community, hell I might even support a few changes within the community. But I'm not interested in joining a Rebel Alliance, as odd as that may sound. Mostly because I don't believe that this is or is becoming an Evil Empire in anyway.
Thanks for the message. I'm going to take a moment from my post-accident recuperation and reply today, because I just can't go to sleep until I do. I'm not going to put it at WP:VPR because that's not my style.
I had to go wa-a-a-y-y-y back to August 10 to find out to what you referred. (I have more than 6,000 edits at Wikipedia and I made almost 400 edits on that date alone, so I hope you'll forgive me for not remembering yours right away.) As far as I'm able to determine, it seems to be about this diff, wherein I removed several paragraphs of commentary from public access television. (The surrounding paragraphs should have been removed too, but that wasn't the problem at the time.)
I reverted the edit and left the {{ comment2}} message on User talk:68.207.100.174, which is standard operating procedure for edits like that. I'd also like to point out that the edit in question wasn't your first edit, as you claim in your post at WP:VPR. This was your first edit, on the day before and with which I had nothing to do, so let's get that straight before blaming me for ruining "all of (your) very first submissions ever."
I'm not an administrator, and I am sincerely sorry you were offended. Having said that, the edit was inappropriate, and it was reverted in the same manner such edits are reverted every day by dozens of RC patrollers and other editors. {{ comment2}} is a template that can be found along with its brothers, sisters, and cousins at Template_messages/User_talk_namespace. They are used thousands of times every day, and they can indeed be harsh to well-intentioned users, which is why I apologize for hurt feelings at the top of my talk page.
The problem is that you didn't come to my talk page to talk about it that day. You didn't leave a message on my talk page about it that day, that week, or even that _month_. I looked several times through my talk history and your contributions history in both IP and registered accounts, just to be sure. Instead, seven weeks after the fact, on a community page, in a section that wasn't even about the templates or newcomers or anything to do with the subject, you write a paragraph that can be summarized like this: "Yes, this is a good idea. Oh, and by the way, BaseballBaby nearly ran me off of Wikipedia."
I'm one of the least adversarial people here, and if you had asked me I would have been happy to help you rephrase or re-edit your content, just as I and others help new users every day. It's better to talk directly to someone about situations like this one, rather than commenting at WP:VPR, because everyone makes errors and there's no reason to pile on publicly – even when it's not a mistake, why call everyone's attention to it in that manner? It doesn't do anything to help the situation and likely makes it worse, plus it embarrasses two people needlessly – you and the person about whom you're commenting.
Again, I'm sorry your feelings were hurt over the template message, but in the future you really should take it up with an editor sooner, rather than later, and on a one-to-one basis instead of on a community page like the VP. Now that you're a registered user, I hope you'll spend some time on Recent changes patrol to help us out and gain a little perspective.
Lastly, I noticed something tonight while researching this issue: If you're editing from both this account and anonymously from an IP address, that's called sock puppetry. If you are doing this, choose one _or_ the other – you shouldn't edit from both, and definitely shouldn't edit the same articles or article talk pages from both. Baseball Baby 05:33, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Could you please discuss major changes like these before you perform them? Mind you, "Public access" is a culturally neutral name. Community Media/Citizen Media is a Canadian term for it, and now several pages are now back to before you changed them so drastically. Ryūlóng 05:15, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I have blocked you for 3 hours, please read up on WP:OWN and other related policys before editing. Thanks! —— Eagle ( ask me for help) 06:04, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
You bet. Thanks for the heads-up and God bless. - Lucky 6.9 19:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi there, thanks for your note about the Public Access TV issue. Bearing in mind that I don't have direct knowledge or experience of the situation, I'm still happy to act as a neutral observer as you requested (although I think the issue has been already resolved?). I'll add the page to my watchlist. I hope you will progress happily in your Wikipedia contributions Bwithh 19:32, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Again, I think you're taking all of this too personally. This is not about stringing you up naked in front of the town villagers and throwing eggs at you. The reason why I readded the failed FA tag is because it will link the old candidate page where myself and I believe two others expressed why the article was severely under FA criteria. Should another user come along who wishes to nominate the article again or at least improve the article, the page will state the major problems with the article. This is why we have these tags, not to humilate those who make mistakes, but to prevent mistakes from repeating themselves. The Filmaker 15:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi there - I'm afraid that this is getting a bit complicated for me as a disinterested neutral observer. I appreciate you looking to me for advice, but as I'm not an administrator, this is a bit above my paygrade so to speak. YOu should seek out an admin if there's an ongoing dispute that you want neutral judgement on. I suggest you contact Yomangani as an admin who recently helped in a fairminded way to settle down a dispute I was having with another user. (Actually he wasn't an admin yet when he did that, but he seemed ready and adept at dispute resolution as a neutral third party anyway. He became an admin a couple of weeks or something later). Hope that helps! Bwithh 14:48, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
The article Silly Daddy has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.
If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{ prod blp/dated}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. Snowycats ( talk) 04:13, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
Welcome!
Hello DavidWJohnson, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your interest in "The Free Encyclopedia" - I hope you like what you see and decide to stay. To help you get more comfortable with things, here are a few links with helpful information for newcomers:
Also, when communicating with other users on talk pages, please sign your name using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date, and make conversations much easier to follow. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! If you have any questions, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question, or feel free to ask me on my talk page. Cheers, and happy wiki-ing! -- P e ruvianLlama( spit) 02:41, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi, Dave. Someone else had tagged your work as a speedy deleteable copyright violation. Of course, you're welcome to write the article in your own words. If you're the original author, it needs to read less like an essay. Hope this helps. Yell if you need me; I'm signing off for now but I'll be around and I'll gladly get back to you ASAP. Thanks for being polite about this. You're obviously well-educated and this site can't get enough good editors. You'd be a tremendous asset! - Lucky 6.9 03:50, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
( Edit conflicted with the above comment, if any of this sounds familiar:) Hello there! Yes, the name was probably not a good choice; the ALL CAPS didn't help either. But that wasn't the reason I deleted the article. I apologize for not providing a more detailed reason; my finger slipped in the middle of typing it out and hit the "enter" key, which is why my reason is so short and jumbled. For starters, the text you submitted it copyrighted, which means it probably isn't allowable under Wikipedia given that all content on the encyclopaedia is licensed using the GFDL. Secondly, Wikipedia doesn't allow original research which it appears your article is. In fact it reads more like an essay than an encyclopaedia article, which is also something Wikipedia isn't really looking for.
In fact, the text you submitted is already linked from the article, and so any interested readers can find it from there. I hope this clears things up. If you have any other questions or comments, let me know if I can help. Cheers. -- P e ruvianLlama( spit) 03:58, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I didn't delete the article itself, I just deleted the AFD. Of course any improvement to the Norac article would be welcomed. Adam Bishop 18:33, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I've opposed your FA nomination and failed your GA nomination. I'd like you to know that FA and GA nominations are not meant to be sent out at the same time. The good article nomination is meant as more of a stepping stone to the FA nomination. Once and article becomes and featured article, it is removed from the good article list. Therefore, it would very troublesome for users that work on the good article pages, to have to keep adding and removing the same articles constantly. In the future, when you want to nominate an article for FA status. Please either nominate it for GA status and then (after the nomination has been passed) nominate it for FA status. Or you could simply nominate the article for FA and FA alone. The Filmaker 20:45, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I suppose I can understand why you did that, so I am very far from accusing you of any bad faith. That said, you should not be removing anything that itself is not vandalism from a talk page. The tag and review comments are supposed to stay in the talk page (just as the ones related to FA) for the record and to give insight to future reviewers or editors interested in expanding the article to bring it closer to GA/FA standards. So, please do not remove anything. Thanks, Bravada, talk - 11:11, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Wow, you've got a lot of words to say very little. Seriously, I got what you meant from the first paragraph on weasel words, and I actually found your Star Wars analogy to be confusing (how is it that we are giving more power to the administrators), and I don't believe that Wikipedia is becoming an Evil Empire (whatever that might represent). I understand that you don't want to renominate the Public-access television article for GA, however this has all become a bit confusing for me. Either I have been misinformed about a few things, or I just need to catch up on my reading with the GA rules. On weasel words, perhaps you are right. That they could be taken in the wrong way, however I am not interested in revitalizing the Wikipedia community. I'm interested in operating within it and changing with the community, hell I might even support a few changes within the community. But I'm not interested in joining a Rebel Alliance, as odd as that may sound. Mostly because I don't believe that this is or is becoming an Evil Empire in anyway.
Thanks for the message. I'm going to take a moment from my post-accident recuperation and reply today, because I just can't go to sleep until I do. I'm not going to put it at WP:VPR because that's not my style.
I had to go wa-a-a-y-y-y back to August 10 to find out to what you referred. (I have more than 6,000 edits at Wikipedia and I made almost 400 edits on that date alone, so I hope you'll forgive me for not remembering yours right away.) As far as I'm able to determine, it seems to be about this diff, wherein I removed several paragraphs of commentary from public access television. (The surrounding paragraphs should have been removed too, but that wasn't the problem at the time.)
I reverted the edit and left the {{ comment2}} message on User talk:68.207.100.174, which is standard operating procedure for edits like that. I'd also like to point out that the edit in question wasn't your first edit, as you claim in your post at WP:VPR. This was your first edit, on the day before and with which I had nothing to do, so let's get that straight before blaming me for ruining "all of (your) very first submissions ever."
I'm not an administrator, and I am sincerely sorry you were offended. Having said that, the edit was inappropriate, and it was reverted in the same manner such edits are reverted every day by dozens of RC patrollers and other editors. {{ comment2}} is a template that can be found along with its brothers, sisters, and cousins at Template_messages/User_talk_namespace. They are used thousands of times every day, and they can indeed be harsh to well-intentioned users, which is why I apologize for hurt feelings at the top of my talk page.
The problem is that you didn't come to my talk page to talk about it that day. You didn't leave a message on my talk page about it that day, that week, or even that _month_. I looked several times through my talk history and your contributions history in both IP and registered accounts, just to be sure. Instead, seven weeks after the fact, on a community page, in a section that wasn't even about the templates or newcomers or anything to do with the subject, you write a paragraph that can be summarized like this: "Yes, this is a good idea. Oh, and by the way, BaseballBaby nearly ran me off of Wikipedia."
I'm one of the least adversarial people here, and if you had asked me I would have been happy to help you rephrase or re-edit your content, just as I and others help new users every day. It's better to talk directly to someone about situations like this one, rather than commenting at WP:VPR, because everyone makes errors and there's no reason to pile on publicly – even when it's not a mistake, why call everyone's attention to it in that manner? It doesn't do anything to help the situation and likely makes it worse, plus it embarrasses two people needlessly – you and the person about whom you're commenting.
Again, I'm sorry your feelings were hurt over the template message, but in the future you really should take it up with an editor sooner, rather than later, and on a one-to-one basis instead of on a community page like the VP. Now that you're a registered user, I hope you'll spend some time on Recent changes patrol to help us out and gain a little perspective.
Lastly, I noticed something tonight while researching this issue: If you're editing from both this account and anonymously from an IP address, that's called sock puppetry. If you are doing this, choose one _or_ the other – you shouldn't edit from both, and definitely shouldn't edit the same articles or article talk pages from both. Baseball Baby 05:33, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Could you please discuss major changes like these before you perform them? Mind you, "Public access" is a culturally neutral name. Community Media/Citizen Media is a Canadian term for it, and now several pages are now back to before you changed them so drastically. Ryūlóng 05:15, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I have blocked you for 3 hours, please read up on WP:OWN and other related policys before editing. Thanks! —— Eagle ( ask me for help) 06:04, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
You bet. Thanks for the heads-up and God bless. - Lucky 6.9 19:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi there, thanks for your note about the Public Access TV issue. Bearing in mind that I don't have direct knowledge or experience of the situation, I'm still happy to act as a neutral observer as you requested (although I think the issue has been already resolved?). I'll add the page to my watchlist. I hope you will progress happily in your Wikipedia contributions Bwithh 19:32, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Again, I think you're taking all of this too personally. This is not about stringing you up naked in front of the town villagers and throwing eggs at you. The reason why I readded the failed FA tag is because it will link the old candidate page where myself and I believe two others expressed why the article was severely under FA criteria. Should another user come along who wishes to nominate the article again or at least improve the article, the page will state the major problems with the article. This is why we have these tags, not to humilate those who make mistakes, but to prevent mistakes from repeating themselves. The Filmaker 15:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi there - I'm afraid that this is getting a bit complicated for me as a disinterested neutral observer. I appreciate you looking to me for advice, but as I'm not an administrator, this is a bit above my paygrade so to speak. YOu should seek out an admin if there's an ongoing dispute that you want neutral judgement on. I suggest you contact Yomangani as an admin who recently helped in a fairminded way to settle down a dispute I was having with another user. (Actually he wasn't an admin yet when he did that, but he seemed ready and adept at dispute resolution as a neutral third party anyway. He became an admin a couple of weeks or something later). Hope that helps! Bwithh 14:48, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
The article Silly Daddy has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.
If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{ prod blp/dated}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. Snowycats ( talk) 04:13, 28 December 2019 (UTC)