Hello, I'm
NJZombie. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article,
The Cure, but you didn't provide a
reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to
include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at
referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on
my talk page. As explained in the edit summaries, your addition of guest membership within this article, as well as the
Perry Bamonte article, is not supported by the existing source. You could be totally correct. That's not the issue. However, the burden is on you to find a source that backs that up. You can't just add it into the article without something to support the statement. Claiming the band needs to make the statement is totally incorrect as Wikipedia needs a third party source for sourcing, not the band's statement.
NJZombie (
talk)
20:33, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- I am in contact with the band as I run a fan forum and regularly chat with members whose privacy I will respect, which is why they talk to me. Your third party source (NME) has cited no official confirmation of Perry's rejoining of the band. In fact, nobody has. He is guesting on the tour & is not back as a member of the band. If you would like this wiki to be accurate then I would recommend leaving the wording like that. If you prefer to have the music press hacks who have no idea and are simply making assumptions, then have at it.
- My proposal is that Perry be cited as just a guest performer for the lost world shows & not as a member of The Cure. If Robert suddenly states otherwise, then go ahead & add the edit. But he won't. Be certain of that.
- Does that work for you?
Cureboi (
talk)
20:52, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- No, it does not work for me. Wikipedia has guidelines and that's what we follow. Additionally, you have now openly disclosed a conflict of interest and should refer to the following warning concerning such.
- {{subst:
Hello, Cureboi. We
welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things
you have written about on the page
The Cure, you may have a
conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the
conflict of interest guideline and
FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:
- avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
- propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{ request edit}} template);
- disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI);
- avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam#External link spamming);
- do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.
In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.
Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. NJZombie ( talk) 20:59, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Okay then. Conflict of interest? LOL. I'm not employed by anybody. I just want to keep the page accurate and free from speculation. Hardly a conflict. You have absolutely no actual evidence that Perry has rejoined the band other than a music press report he stepped onstage with them for a couple of concerts. I tried to suggest a compromise to the wiki wording to make it factual & you hurl that at me. I tried to seek consensus with you, but you don't seem to be terribly into that. Cureboi ( talk) 21:18, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Employment is not required. A relationship is what defines conflict of interest and you stated that you communicate directly with band members. That's a relationship. NJZombie ( talk) 21:20, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at
The Cure. Your edits appear to be
disruptive and have been or will be
reverted.
- If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively, you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
- If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, please seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.
Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you.
Hello, I'm
NJZombie. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article,
The Cure, but you didn't provide a
reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to
include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at
referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on
my talk page. As explained in the edit summaries, your addition of guest membership within this article, as well as the
Perry Bamonte article, is not supported by the existing source. You could be totally correct. That's not the issue. However, the burden is on you to find a source that backs that up. You can't just add it into the article without something to support the statement. Claiming the band needs to make the statement is totally incorrect as Wikipedia needs a third party source for sourcing, not the band's statement.
NJZombie (
talk)
20:33, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- I am in contact with the band as I run a fan forum and regularly chat with members whose privacy I will respect, which is why they talk to me. Your third party source (NME) has cited no official confirmation of Perry's rejoining of the band. In fact, nobody has. He is guesting on the tour & is not back as a member of the band. If you would like this wiki to be accurate then I would recommend leaving the wording like that. If you prefer to have the music press hacks who have no idea and are simply making assumptions, then have at it.
- My proposal is that Perry be cited as just a guest performer for the lost world shows & not as a member of The Cure. If Robert suddenly states otherwise, then go ahead & add the edit. But he won't. Be certain of that.
- Does that work for you?
Cureboi (
talk)
20:52, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- No, it does not work for me. Wikipedia has guidelines and that's what we follow. Additionally, you have now openly disclosed a conflict of interest and should refer to the following warning concerning such.
- {{subst:
Hello, Cureboi. We
welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things
you have written about on the page
The Cure, you may have a
conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the
conflict of interest guideline and
FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:
- avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization, clients, or competitors;
- propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{ request edit}} template);
- disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI);
- avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see Wikipedia:Spam#External link spamming);
- do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.
In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.
Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. NJZombie ( talk) 20:59, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Okay then. Conflict of interest? LOL. I'm not employed by anybody. I just want to keep the page accurate and free from speculation. Hardly a conflict. You have absolutely no actual evidence that Perry has rejoined the band other than a music press report he stepped onstage with them for a couple of concerts. I tried to suggest a compromise to the wiki wording to make it factual & you hurl that at me. I tried to seek consensus with you, but you don't seem to be terribly into that. Cureboi ( talk) 21:18, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Employment is not required. A relationship is what defines conflict of interest and you stated that you communicate directly with band members. That's a relationship. NJZombie ( talk) 21:20, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at
The Cure. Your edits appear to be
disruptive and have been or will be
reverted.
- If you are engaged in an article content dispute with another editor, please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the article's talk page, and seek consensus with them. Alternatively, you can read Wikipedia's dispute resolution page, and ask for independent help at one of the relevant noticeboards.
- If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, please seek assistance at Wikipedia's Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents.
Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you.