I haev a theory about why people put merge and delete in AfDs, based on my own experience getting to know the black art that is Articles for Deletion. There are, of course, common misconceptions about how the GFDL requires back history on all submissions, and this frequently conflicts in the minds of the uninitiated with the way merge is interpreted by default as a 'keep' (or at the least, not a 'delete') by closers. I've taken to adding "Do not keep as a separate article" to my merge votes just to make my intent clear after seeing several AfDs go the opposite way from what I expected. I don't know what the solution is, since merge/redirect/cleanup are technically outside the scope of AfD, but... my two cents. -- nae'blis (talk) 17:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I would put it on AfD, but the whole article is a copy from Pokémon, sectioned under Pokémon#Pokémon on the Wii. The article was created by another user in an odd attempt to cut down article size. I moved the criticism section to a sub-article, which removed 8kb from the size, but I don't see the point of moving one paragraph. If you could speedy it, it would be deeply appreciated. Cheers, H ig hway Return to Oz... 20:48, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for contributing the impressive the pile of supports gathered on
my RfA, which passed with a final tally of
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I'm getting lonely, do you know anyone I can talk to, your the only person that knows I exist probably! *weeps* Legolost 20:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Do you know what that grey stats box is doing on Yanksox's RfA. It's got stats from 3 June and some people think he's only been editing for 2 months! (He started his account February 5, 2006.) Tyrenius 22:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Opppppsssssss, how did I do that. :P Perhaps it's the result of closing AfDs in the wee hours of the morning. Anyway, I've fixed it. - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 08:19, 23 July 2006 (UTC) ;)
The Galaxship is a project that I am currently working on. Do you have proof it doesn't exist?
Hi! >I must ask, where is the material from? It reads in places as if it was copied from an academic paper - and I > fear there may be copyright issues here. - CrazyRussian talk/email 17:08, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't think there are copyright issues. I wrote this as part of a University exam. Of course I got the information here and there, but I always give the references to the sources and I did never cut and paste. Purposedly I did not upload but a single image, over which I am sure there is no copyright, because I generated it, starting from one of the many similar versions that have been known for over 200 years. Aliud 19:22, 23 July 2006 (UTC)aliud
You might notice people dropping by these days who are looking at the current Requests for adminship process with some surprise. The way requests for adminship works has apparently changed over the last 6 months again, to the point where people have difficulty in grasping how the process works. I suppose it'd be best if someone actually figures out what's up. :-)
The Requests for Adminship page is still officially a consensus finding procedure, fortunately. This means that it is permitted and in fact even encouraged to ask questions to gauge consensus.
I hope that covers what I'm doing enough to reduce your worries a bit. Will this be ok?
If you still think aspects of what I'm doing are wrong somehow, would you care to explain your reasoning? Communication is important when you're trying to come to some compromise, and if you wish to alter a persons' behaviour. Kim Bruning 19:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
It really should be recreated seeing as people know what it is now. Thanks, User:Clay4president
I would tend to think so..."buddy" [1]-- MONGO 12:06, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
That's what I figured...best wishes.-- MONGO 15:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
It actually comes from Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series of books, where it's a title for "second in command", sort of. It's been my handle/e-mail online for a long time, both as a reminder that I'm not in charge, and not to be so self-effacing. I find it a nice compromise... -- nae'blis (talk) 15:32, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
My recusal comes from the fact that I have long had close dealings with some of the people involved. Outside of Wikipedia I also have strong views and a long historey of involvement in Canadian politics, and do not want to be seen to be in a conflict of interest situation. - SimonP 15:56, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Why? It happened last night!
All those comments weremade before it happened.
Thanks for your help in getting this new stub organized -- Gerontech 21:16, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Gerontech 06:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
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Oppose mostly on userpage. Similar reasons to my vote at RfA/Joturner2 - user espouses very controversial beliefs and is a quite bit aggressive about it. And zere it iz! lol - CrazyRussian talk/ email 22:06, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey JT. Userpage is a lot better - and you've been great under fire. In retrospect, had I supported your RfA2 I would not have regretted having done so, and I'll be happy to support you in RfA3. I saw your name in a few controversial places, and you were espousing thoughtful and refreshingly non-partisan views, which made me feel good. What's with the username, dude? Tariq from JoTu? :) - CrazyRussian talk/ email 13:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
While I disagree with you about "cross-namespace redirects are not allowed" (there is no such policy), I'd like to ask why you chose to recreate articles for deletion as {{ deletedpage}}. Now it appears that a page with this title exists (as it is a blue link) and people will accidentally link to it and not notice that it does not lead where they think it will lead. I can understand if you choose to delete the "article" or the cross-namespace redirect, but the only guideline that exists against cross-space redirects is WP:ASR. Now {{ deletedpage}} is also a self-reference. In replacing a cross-space redirect with {{ deletedpage}}, we have replaced a useful self-reference with a useless one. How is this an improvement? Please re-examine your decision and at least delete the pages. Or check out Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirects where some people are at last discussing the question of a policy about this topic. Thank you, and happy editing, Kusma (討論) 19:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I am checking the text right now. Thanks for making a notice at the Agora of the Greek Wikipedia. -- dead3y3 19:47, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for taking the time to express an opinion in my recent request for adminship. I have withdrawn my self-nomination because there seemed little prospect for further productive discussion or the formation of a consensus to promote. Many commentators offered constructive critisism that I will use to improve myself as a user. Others suggested that the nomination was premature and that a re-nom in a few months would be more likely to gain consensus. Thank you very much for your kind comment in the RfA. It is certainly gratifying to have users you respect recognise your work as good. I knew going into the RfA that I probably didn't meet your standards, but hopefully in any future RfA in 3 or so months time I will reach what is probably the gold standard of RfA candidates and merit a support for you. Happy editing! Eluchil404 20:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Articles for deletion. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. Haukur 21:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Closure comments are great, naturally, but this one says that cross-namespace redirects are not allowed. They are, of course, it's just that certain types of them are disliked by certain editors and WP:ASR suggests they be avoided where possible. Putting blanket statements like that in a closure can sometimes result in less-experienced users taking them as a form of gospel, so some precision can help avoid that. Thanks, Splash - tk 01:40, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
As many nominees do when they pass, I have prepared a box! Because you posted first, you get the box first, I hope you like it.
Thanks, and good luck yourself. RyanG e rbil10 (The people rejoice!) 03:37, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I thought the article had been saved. I didn't mean any harm by placing that tag on the page. -- Hector 16:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi there! Um...just wanted to say hi!
First, I blanked it because, say, there's no WB 54 link for WNUV. This was an unneeded redirect. - TrackerTV 17:49, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
hey there just responded to [ [3]]
all the best, JJ JJ211219 20:06, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I am contacting you since you are an admin who is typically (moderately? heavily?) involved in AfD. I have drafted a notice that I propose we add right at the top of the AfD page. I hope to start some discussion about it. Clearly, with the number of "re-listings" and listings that never should have been there to begin with, we need to take steps to educate editors about their other options. Would you please review and comment, if time allows? Thanks, -- Aguerriero ( talk) 20:42, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
We're getting too many nominations for the ORBCOTW. Maybe the limit should be raised to 4 or even 5 votes, and/or the period of voting should be shortened. Things are becoming very confusing this way. -- Daniel575 20:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi. Please check my posts on the discussion page for complementarity and see what you think. Thanks
I am Tatum Reed and I read through all of the guidelines and see no reason for my bio page to be deleted. I was alerted that the page has been deleted. I have been in the San Francisco Chronicle, I have two websites, I have appeared in films, I have podcasts and a blog.
Could you please tell me why the proper research wasn't done to verify me?
tatum.reed@gmail.com
Thanks for pointing out that typo on my RFA I have fixed it, it was meant to say AFD's not RFA's. Pegasus1138 Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 03:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Crz: Please read the attached request I received . Thank you. IZAK 08:04, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Need administrator help in Temple in Jerusalem
Hi Izak,
A user by the name of Biblical1 has completely rewritten the Temple in Jerusalem article multiple times, presenting some rather speculatve views of a few contemporary thinkers as objective fact and scholarly consensus. At this point, would it be possible for you or some other administrator to freeze the page and guide a discussion on the Talk page? Thanks, -- Shirahadasha 04:46, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
On Sanhedrin. Check the history and the talk pages of me and User talk:Historian2. Also compare User:Historian2 with User:Biblical1 and what he did on article Temple Mount. I need your attention here. -- Daniel575 11:52, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Crzrussian and AmiDaniel Before anyone "unprotect"s the page and allow editing to continue, per wikipedia rules you should allow us to work out a text on the the talk pages first. Here is the guideline I was following for reversing Daniel575's edits.
3RR Rules: Reverting potentially libellous material. All users are encouraged to remove unsourced or poorly sourced derogatory information about living persons, whether within a biography of a living person or elsewhere, including the associated talk pages. As with vandalism, the repeated addition of such material is best dealt with by blocking and page protection. The three-revert rule does not apply to users making a good-faith effort to enforce this provision, whether they are involved in editing the articles themselves or not. Historian3 18:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I saw somebody use it once. Yomangani 15:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Dear Alex, I just noticed that you deleted your userpage - is everything ok, hun? Please, feel free to mail me if you prefer not to talk about it here, k?
One more thing, remember that AfD you asked me to review? (
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buggin Malone) I wanted to tell you that I messaged
ESkog, since he was the closing admin. Let me cross-post my message to him for you:
So that issue is closed, at least for the moment. I hope you're doing fine - please let me know if I can help you in any way. Hugs, Phaedriel ♥ The Wiki Soundtrack!♪ - 19:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, the wikipedia page Nova_Spivack was deleted but I don't understand the reason why. Is the user page for "Nova Spivack" accessible to the public in the body of the wikipedia just like any other node? If yes, then I understand the redundancy and the deletion makes sense. But if my user page is something that can only be seen by other registered users, and is not in the same class are regular wikipedia articles, then I disagree with the deletion. Perhaps the problem is that my username was not made cryptic enough and so my userpage has the same characters in it as the article about me that I wanted to add? If that is the problem, can it be fixed (by changing my username)? If that is not the problem, then can you explain?
I haev a theory about why people put merge and delete in AfDs, based on my own experience getting to know the black art that is Articles for Deletion. There are, of course, common misconceptions about how the GFDL requires back history on all submissions, and this frequently conflicts in the minds of the uninitiated with the way merge is interpreted by default as a 'keep' (or at the least, not a 'delete') by closers. I've taken to adding "Do not keep as a separate article" to my merge votes just to make my intent clear after seeing several AfDs go the opposite way from what I expected. I don't know what the solution is, since merge/redirect/cleanup are technically outside the scope of AfD, but... my two cents. -- nae'blis (talk) 17:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I would put it on AfD, but the whole article is a copy from Pokémon, sectioned under Pokémon#Pokémon on the Wii. The article was created by another user in an odd attempt to cut down article size. I moved the criticism section to a sub-article, which removed 8kb from the size, but I don't see the point of moving one paragraph. If you could speedy it, it would be deeply appreciated. Cheers, H ig hway Return to Oz... 20:48, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for contributing the impressive the pile of supports gathered on
my RfA, which passed with a final tally of
0x0104/0x01/0x00. I'm happy that so many people have put faith in my abilities as an admin and promise to use the tools wisely and do my best not to let you down. If I ever may be of assistance, just leave a note on
my talk page. Misza 13, the rouge-on-demand admin wishes you happy editing! NOTE: This message has been encrypted with the sophisticated
ROT-26 algorithm. |
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I'm getting lonely, do you know anyone I can talk to, your the only person that knows I exist probably! *weeps* Legolost 20:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Do you know what that grey stats box is doing on Yanksox's RfA. It's got stats from 3 June and some people think he's only been editing for 2 months! (He started his account February 5, 2006.) Tyrenius 22:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Opppppsssssss, how did I do that. :P Perhaps it's the result of closing AfDs in the wee hours of the morning. Anyway, I've fixed it. - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 08:19, 23 July 2006 (UTC) ;)
The Galaxship is a project that I am currently working on. Do you have proof it doesn't exist?
Hi! >I must ask, where is the material from? It reads in places as if it was copied from an academic paper - and I > fear there may be copyright issues here. - CrazyRussian talk/email 17:08, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't think there are copyright issues. I wrote this as part of a University exam. Of course I got the information here and there, but I always give the references to the sources and I did never cut and paste. Purposedly I did not upload but a single image, over which I am sure there is no copyright, because I generated it, starting from one of the many similar versions that have been known for over 200 years. Aliud 19:22, 23 July 2006 (UTC)aliud
You might notice people dropping by these days who are looking at the current Requests for adminship process with some surprise. The way requests for adminship works has apparently changed over the last 6 months again, to the point where people have difficulty in grasping how the process works. I suppose it'd be best if someone actually figures out what's up. :-)
The Requests for Adminship page is still officially a consensus finding procedure, fortunately. This means that it is permitted and in fact even encouraged to ask questions to gauge consensus.
I hope that covers what I'm doing enough to reduce your worries a bit. Will this be ok?
If you still think aspects of what I'm doing are wrong somehow, would you care to explain your reasoning? Communication is important when you're trying to come to some compromise, and if you wish to alter a persons' behaviour. Kim Bruning 19:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
It really should be recreated seeing as people know what it is now. Thanks, User:Clay4president
I would tend to think so..."buddy" [1]-- MONGO 12:06, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
That's what I figured...best wishes.-- MONGO 15:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
It actually comes from Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series of books, where it's a title for "second in command", sort of. It's been my handle/e-mail online for a long time, both as a reminder that I'm not in charge, and not to be so self-effacing. I find it a nice compromise... -- nae'blis (talk) 15:32, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
My recusal comes from the fact that I have long had close dealings with some of the people involved. Outside of Wikipedia I also have strong views and a long historey of involvement in Canadian politics, and do not want to be seen to be in a conflict of interest situation. - SimonP 15:56, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Why? It happened last night!
All those comments weremade before it happened.
Thanks for your help in getting this new stub organized -- Gerontech 21:16, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Gerontech 06:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
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Oppose mostly on userpage. Similar reasons to my vote at RfA/Joturner2 - user espouses very controversial beliefs and is a quite bit aggressive about it. And zere it iz! lol - CrazyRussian talk/ email 22:06, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey JT. Userpage is a lot better - and you've been great under fire. In retrospect, had I supported your RfA2 I would not have regretted having done so, and I'll be happy to support you in RfA3. I saw your name in a few controversial places, and you were espousing thoughtful and refreshingly non-partisan views, which made me feel good. What's with the username, dude? Tariq from JoTu? :) - CrazyRussian talk/ email 13:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
While I disagree with you about "cross-namespace redirects are not allowed" (there is no such policy), I'd like to ask why you chose to recreate articles for deletion as {{ deletedpage}}. Now it appears that a page with this title exists (as it is a blue link) and people will accidentally link to it and not notice that it does not lead where they think it will lead. I can understand if you choose to delete the "article" or the cross-namespace redirect, but the only guideline that exists against cross-space redirects is WP:ASR. Now {{ deletedpage}} is also a self-reference. In replacing a cross-space redirect with {{ deletedpage}}, we have replaced a useful self-reference with a useless one. How is this an improvement? Please re-examine your decision and at least delete the pages. Or check out Wikipedia:Cross-namespace redirects where some people are at last discussing the question of a policy about this topic. Thank you, and happy editing, Kusma (討論) 19:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I am checking the text right now. Thanks for making a notice at the Agora of the Greek Wikipedia. -- dead3y3 19:47, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for taking the time to express an opinion in my recent request for adminship. I have withdrawn my self-nomination because there seemed little prospect for further productive discussion or the formation of a consensus to promote. Many commentators offered constructive critisism that I will use to improve myself as a user. Others suggested that the nomination was premature and that a re-nom in a few months would be more likely to gain consensus. Thank you very much for your kind comment in the RfA. It is certainly gratifying to have users you respect recognise your work as good. I knew going into the RfA that I probably didn't meet your standards, but hopefully in any future RfA in 3 or so months time I will reach what is probably the gold standard of RfA candidates and merit a support for you. Happy editing! Eluchil404 20:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Articles for deletion. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review. Haukur 21:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Closure comments are great, naturally, but this one says that cross-namespace redirects are not allowed. They are, of course, it's just that certain types of them are disliked by certain editors and WP:ASR suggests they be avoided where possible. Putting blanket statements like that in a closure can sometimes result in less-experienced users taking them as a form of gospel, so some precision can help avoid that. Thanks, Splash - tk 01:40, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
As many nominees do when they pass, I have prepared a box! Because you posted first, you get the box first, I hope you like it.
Thanks, and good luck yourself. RyanG e rbil10 (The people rejoice!) 03:37, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I thought the article had been saved. I didn't mean any harm by placing that tag on the page. -- Hector 16:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi there! Um...just wanted to say hi!
First, I blanked it because, say, there's no WB 54 link for WNUV. This was an unneeded redirect. - TrackerTV 17:49, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
hey there just responded to [ [3]]
all the best, JJ JJ211219 20:06, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I am contacting you since you are an admin who is typically (moderately? heavily?) involved in AfD. I have drafted a notice that I propose we add right at the top of the AfD page. I hope to start some discussion about it. Clearly, with the number of "re-listings" and listings that never should have been there to begin with, we need to take steps to educate editors about their other options. Would you please review and comment, if time allows? Thanks, -- Aguerriero ( talk) 20:42, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
We're getting too many nominations for the ORBCOTW. Maybe the limit should be raised to 4 or even 5 votes, and/or the period of voting should be shortened. Things are becoming very confusing this way. -- Daniel575 20:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi. Please check my posts on the discussion page for complementarity and see what you think. Thanks
I am Tatum Reed and I read through all of the guidelines and see no reason for my bio page to be deleted. I was alerted that the page has been deleted. I have been in the San Francisco Chronicle, I have two websites, I have appeared in films, I have podcasts and a blog.
Could you please tell me why the proper research wasn't done to verify me?
tatum.reed@gmail.com
Thanks for pointing out that typo on my RFA I have fixed it, it was meant to say AFD's not RFA's. Pegasus1138 Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 03:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Crz: Please read the attached request I received . Thank you. IZAK 08:04, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Need administrator help in Temple in Jerusalem
Hi Izak,
A user by the name of Biblical1 has completely rewritten the Temple in Jerusalem article multiple times, presenting some rather speculatve views of a few contemporary thinkers as objective fact and scholarly consensus. At this point, would it be possible for you or some other administrator to freeze the page and guide a discussion on the Talk page? Thanks, -- Shirahadasha 04:46, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
On Sanhedrin. Check the history and the talk pages of me and User talk:Historian2. Also compare User:Historian2 with User:Biblical1 and what he did on article Temple Mount. I need your attention here. -- Daniel575 11:52, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Crzrussian and AmiDaniel Before anyone "unprotect"s the page and allow editing to continue, per wikipedia rules you should allow us to work out a text on the the talk pages first. Here is the guideline I was following for reversing Daniel575's edits.
3RR Rules: Reverting potentially libellous material. All users are encouraged to remove unsourced or poorly sourced derogatory information about living persons, whether within a biography of a living person or elsewhere, including the associated talk pages. As with vandalism, the repeated addition of such material is best dealt with by blocking and page protection. The three-revert rule does not apply to users making a good-faith effort to enforce this provision, whether they are involved in editing the articles themselves or not. Historian3 18:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
I saw somebody use it once. Yomangani 15:14, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Dear Alex, I just noticed that you deleted your userpage - is everything ok, hun? Please, feel free to mail me if you prefer not to talk about it here, k?
One more thing, remember that AfD you asked me to review? (
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Buggin Malone) I wanted to tell you that I messaged
ESkog, since he was the closing admin. Let me cross-post my message to him for you:
So that issue is closed, at least for the moment. I hope you're doing fine - please let me know if I can help you in any way. Hugs, Phaedriel ♥ The Wiki Soundtrack!♪ - 19:08, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi, the wikipedia page Nova_Spivack was deleted but I don't understand the reason why. Is the user page for "Nova Spivack" accessible to the public in the body of the wikipedia just like any other node? If yes, then I understand the redundancy and the deletion makes sense. But if my user page is something that can only be seen by other registered users, and is not in the same class are regular wikipedia articles, then I disagree with the deletion. Perhaps the problem is that my username was not made cryptic enough and so my userpage has the same characters in it as the article about me that I wanted to add? If that is the problem, can it be fixed (by changing my username)? If that is not the problem, then can you explain?