The practice squad players and injured reserve guys are still on Template:Super Bowl XLIII right?-- Iamawesome800 Talk to Me 03:55, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Looks like I got another buddy [1]. :-)-- Iamawesome800 Talk to Me 03:35, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
As hard as it may be sometime, please refrain from edit summaries such as this one. Thanks, Grsz 11 Review 04:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Hey, do you have any interest in helping me create the rest of the CFL player articles cause currently there are 87 articles to create and if you break it down by team:
The rest are done, so any interest in helping me create these?-- Iamawesome800 Talk to Me 21:28, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
I see lots of pages moved to and from Joe Blow (Canadian football) and Joe Blow (football player). What is the standard, and why do we have some people like Jerome Davis (Canadian football) when he has played professionally in both US and CDN (and Germany). Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 00:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Finally he's "retired"!-- Giants27 T C 22:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I am trying to find the middle name of the running back that goes to Oklahoma, I didnt think it would be this hard to find. If I cant find the middle name what do you think I should name it?-- Yankees10 04:42, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Almost got the Steelers moves, damn me!;-)-- Giants27 T C 22:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Darian Barnes played for Rutgers before he transferred to Hampton —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.39.87.233 ( talk) 21:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Re: [2] Why does alphabetical make more sense than geographical? An order is an order; it doesn't make much difference which way it's done but it does make some sense to follow what's expected and standard for CFL readers. Canadians are also very familiar with ordering things in this sort of manner, since our country is very much horizontally-based. By contrast, the NFL#Current NFL teams list jumps back and forth all over the place. It's partly based on geography and partly based on alphabet. DoubleBlue ( talk) 01:43, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
It doesn't jump back and forth. Divisions are a separation of the league, like in any sport. That's as a natural a separation as it comes. They might be called North, South, East, West, Central, or whatever, but our listing them here by that is not BECAUSE it's geographical, it's because that's how they are divided in the sport. If the NFL named it's divisions "Division 1" through "Division 8" then we'd sort them that way. Geography has nothing to do it.
But you're talking about two different things. We're not talking about grouping by division. We're talking about listing WITHIN the division. And in that regard, geography makes no sense because not every reader knows the geography of the country. If I want to know the locations of the CFL teams from west to east, I'll look at a map of Canada. If I want to look at their rosters, I'd want them in alphabetical order because that's a natural listing method and I don't need any other sort of knowledge outside of reading (like geographical) to understand it.
Think about it - what good does listing geographically do to any of us? Why don't we do away with the positions in the roster templates altogether and list every player on a team from east to west by their birth place, starting from the prime meridian? So what if people won't understand the listing and it'll take people longer to find something they are looking for in said list becaue of it? It's their fault they don't know all the hometowns of the team's players and the locations of those towns on the globe, right?
The basic fact is that listing alphabetically requires only one skill to comprehend the pattern - reading. Listing geographically requires multiple skills - reading (to be able to understand any of the words on the page) and geography. Whether or not you THINK they should know the geography of your country to make them a more well-rounded human being, they shouldn't have to, and it is not your place to say they should. There's no sign on the main Wikipedia page that says "Know your geography or get the fuck out" and there never will be.► Chris Nelson Holla! 20:32, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
It's a list. A list for all people, including those who don't know Canadian geography. You're grasping straws here. All we've done here is explain very clearly and present a good argument for alphabetical over geographical order, and your arguments/statements get worse and worse and make less and less sense as time goes on. I can also essentially guarantee you that if we have people vote on this, the vast majority will be in favor of alphabetical over geographical. So do you want to drop it now or do you want to let others vote, then drop it?► Chris Nelson Holla! 03:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Okay, let's make this official if anyone updates the roster templates with transactions (not count updating etc.), they get 30 minutes to update the player pages, however if one of the players does not have a player page they will be given 1 hour to update respective player pages. Deal? Oh and to annoy you. ;-)-- Giants27 T C 00:08, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
One is for information purposes on the team article (and team season articles), the other is for navigation between players on player articles. Entirely different purposes.► Chris Nelson Holla! 04:46, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Dumbass why did you change Kwame's page. Everything was factual and cited. Change it back to the way it was before and leave it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.141.147.66 ( talk) 19:57, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
All right, I am sorry for being an ass (I actually feel horrible since you responded very maturely).
Its just that Kwame Harris boils my blood, if you seen him play then you would say its like watching a train wreck. There is a good reason a large majority of people criticize him, but I see your point, wiki should be without bias/personal opinion.
Sorry again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.141.147.66 ( talk) 22:17, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm just going off the categorical hierarchy already in in place. See the category "American players of American football by state" for more information. Football79 ( talk) 23:20, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Only the UFAs get deleted right?-- Giants27 T| C 22:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Nelson, Why is it ok for a player's wiki page to refer to him as retired and have him no longer on Bear's roster and yet we cannot remove him from the active roster? Something is not right, either he is or he isn't a member of the team. Be consistent. If you want Tait as an active player until he files his paperwork then why allow his player page to state him as a free agent??? Rgoss25 ( talk) 16:14, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
So, you agree that there is inconsistency? I guess it will work itself out. He will officially retire and then we'll be able to remove him from the template. Rgoss25 ( talk) 16:36, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Hey can you put the Hartwick College colors in the college football infobox? Thanks.-- Giants27 T/ C 17:05, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
The practice squad players and injured reserve guys are still on Template:Super Bowl XLIII right?-- Iamawesome800 Talk to Me 03:55, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
Looks like I got another buddy [1]. :-)-- Iamawesome800 Talk to Me 03:35, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
As hard as it may be sometime, please refrain from edit summaries such as this one. Thanks, Grsz 11 Review 04:52, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Hey, do you have any interest in helping me create the rest of the CFL player articles cause currently there are 87 articles to create and if you break it down by team:
The rest are done, so any interest in helping me create these?-- Iamawesome800 Talk to Me 21:28, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
I see lots of pages moved to and from Joe Blow (Canadian football) and Joe Blow (football player). What is the standard, and why do we have some people like Jerome Davis (Canadian football) when he has played professionally in both US and CDN (and Germany). Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 00:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
Finally he's "retired"!-- Giants27 T C 22:50, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I am trying to find the middle name of the running back that goes to Oklahoma, I didnt think it would be this hard to find. If I cant find the middle name what do you think I should name it?-- Yankees10 04:42, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Almost got the Steelers moves, damn me!;-)-- Giants27 T C 22:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Darian Barnes played for Rutgers before he transferred to Hampton —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.39.87.233 ( talk) 21:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Re: [2] Why does alphabetical make more sense than geographical? An order is an order; it doesn't make much difference which way it's done but it does make some sense to follow what's expected and standard for CFL readers. Canadians are also very familiar with ordering things in this sort of manner, since our country is very much horizontally-based. By contrast, the NFL#Current NFL teams list jumps back and forth all over the place. It's partly based on geography and partly based on alphabet. DoubleBlue ( talk) 01:43, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
It doesn't jump back and forth. Divisions are a separation of the league, like in any sport. That's as a natural a separation as it comes. They might be called North, South, East, West, Central, or whatever, but our listing them here by that is not BECAUSE it's geographical, it's because that's how they are divided in the sport. If the NFL named it's divisions "Division 1" through "Division 8" then we'd sort them that way. Geography has nothing to do it.
But you're talking about two different things. We're not talking about grouping by division. We're talking about listing WITHIN the division. And in that regard, geography makes no sense because not every reader knows the geography of the country. If I want to know the locations of the CFL teams from west to east, I'll look at a map of Canada. If I want to look at their rosters, I'd want them in alphabetical order because that's a natural listing method and I don't need any other sort of knowledge outside of reading (like geographical) to understand it.
Think about it - what good does listing geographically do to any of us? Why don't we do away with the positions in the roster templates altogether and list every player on a team from east to west by their birth place, starting from the prime meridian? So what if people won't understand the listing and it'll take people longer to find something they are looking for in said list becaue of it? It's their fault they don't know all the hometowns of the team's players and the locations of those towns on the globe, right?
The basic fact is that listing alphabetically requires only one skill to comprehend the pattern - reading. Listing geographically requires multiple skills - reading (to be able to understand any of the words on the page) and geography. Whether or not you THINK they should know the geography of your country to make them a more well-rounded human being, they shouldn't have to, and it is not your place to say they should. There's no sign on the main Wikipedia page that says "Know your geography or get the fuck out" and there never will be.► Chris Nelson Holla! 20:32, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
It's a list. A list for all people, including those who don't know Canadian geography. You're grasping straws here. All we've done here is explain very clearly and present a good argument for alphabetical over geographical order, and your arguments/statements get worse and worse and make less and less sense as time goes on. I can also essentially guarantee you that if we have people vote on this, the vast majority will be in favor of alphabetical over geographical. So do you want to drop it now or do you want to let others vote, then drop it?► Chris Nelson Holla! 03:48, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
Okay, let's make this official if anyone updates the roster templates with transactions (not count updating etc.), they get 30 minutes to update the player pages, however if one of the players does not have a player page they will be given 1 hour to update respective player pages. Deal? Oh and to annoy you. ;-)-- Giants27 T C 00:08, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
One is for information purposes on the team article (and team season articles), the other is for navigation between players on player articles. Entirely different purposes.► Chris Nelson Holla! 04:46, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Dumbass why did you change Kwame's page. Everything was factual and cited. Change it back to the way it was before and leave it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.141.147.66 ( talk) 19:57, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
All right, I am sorry for being an ass (I actually feel horrible since you responded very maturely).
Its just that Kwame Harris boils my blood, if you seen him play then you would say its like watching a train wreck. There is a good reason a large majority of people criticize him, but I see your point, wiki should be without bias/personal opinion.
Sorry again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.141.147.66 ( talk) 22:17, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm just going off the categorical hierarchy already in in place. See the category "American players of American football by state" for more information. Football79 ( talk) 23:20, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Only the UFAs get deleted right?-- Giants27 T| C 22:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Nelson, Why is it ok for a player's wiki page to refer to him as retired and have him no longer on Bear's roster and yet we cannot remove him from the active roster? Something is not right, either he is or he isn't a member of the team. Be consistent. If you want Tait as an active player until he files his paperwork then why allow his player page to state him as a free agent??? Rgoss25 ( talk) 16:14, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
So, you agree that there is inconsistency? I guess it will work itself out. He will officially retire and then we'll be able to remove him from the template. Rgoss25 ( talk) 16:36, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Hey can you put the Hartwick College colors in the college football infobox? Thanks.-- Giants27 T/ C 17:05, 28 February 2009 (UTC)