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Tim
meh
04:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
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Regarding your recent edits to List of emo artists, please don't add bands to the list without citing reliable sources that classify them as "emo", or even better, that describe how their music fits into the emo style. All information on Wikipedia must be referenced to reliable sources, and you can see from the hidden text when you go to edit the page (the paragraph near the top in the edit window) that any unsourced additions to the list will be swiftly removed. This is to keep the list in compliance with Wikipedia's policy of verifiability. Adding bands to the list without citing any sources qualifies as original research, since their classification as "emo" is based entirely on your own opinion and point of view. For more infomation, please see the following pages:
- Wikipedia:Verifiability
- Wikipedia:No original research
- Wikipedia:Neutral point of view
- Wikipedia:Reliable sources
- Wikipedia:Citing sources
A good place to start finding sources is to look through album reviews and articles in music publications such as Rolling Stone, NME, Alternative Press, Spin, etc. If you can find some articles or reviews that describe a particular act as emo, please present them on the article's talk page at Talk:List of emo artists and I'll be happy to show you how to turn them into citations. If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to ask me on my talk page. Happy editing! -- IllaZilla ( talk) 04:40, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi again. I see that you made a good faith effort to add sources to the acts you listed, but they were reverted and I thought you might want to know why. For citing content on Wikipedia, we rely first and foremost on reliable, third-party sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Most of your citations were to the bands' own websites, which isn't helpful because A) they are primary sources and we're looking for secondary ones (ie. the opinions & analyses of music critics), and B) the bands' websites don't mention anywhere on them that those bands are considered "emo", so really these did nothing to support the claim that they are "emo" artists. Some of your other citations were to Wikipedia itself, which isn't appropriate: Wikipedia can't be used as a self-reference. See WP:CIRCULAR for more explanation of this; Imagine if you were doing a reasearch paper for school and your only sources were other papers that you yourself had written...you can see the problem.
Again, the best place to look for sources is in music publications. Try searching the websites of magazines such as Rolling Stone, NME, Alternative Press, and Spin, or even online publications such as Punknews.org, Pitchfork Media, Allmusic, etc. If you look at the references already used in the article you might find some additional jumping-off points in your search for sources. Go down to the "References" section and click on a few of the links to see the types of sources we're looking for. Again, reading Wikipedia:Reliable sources thoroughly is highly recommended.
Please don't take this as criticism; your contributions are appreciated and we're glad that you're interested in improving the article. I'm merely trying to help you navigate Wikipedia's policies & guidelines and point you down the path towards finding good sources that support your claims. Again, if you have any questions at all please don't hesitate to ask on my talk page. Happy editing! -- IllaZilla ( talk) 20:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry your additions were removed, but you have to correctly cite some reliable sources. Band websites aren't reliable sources and don't even say anything about them being emo. Tim meh 17:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, adding content without
citing a
reliable source, as you did to
List of emo artists, is not consistent with our policy of
verifiability. Take a look at the
welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you are familiar with
Wikipedia:Citing sources, please take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you.
Tim
meh
04:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Welcome!
Hello, Chibihime, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
- The five pillars of Wikipedia
- Tutorial
- How to edit a page
- How to write a great article
- Manual of Style
I hope you enjoy editing here and being a
Wikipedian! Please
sign your messages on
discussion pages using four
tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out
Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome! --
IllaZilla (
talk)
04:31, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Regarding your recent edits to List of emo artists, please don't add bands to the list without citing reliable sources that classify them as "emo", or even better, that describe how their music fits into the emo style. All information on Wikipedia must be referenced to reliable sources, and you can see from the hidden text when you go to edit the page (the paragraph near the top in the edit window) that any unsourced additions to the list will be swiftly removed. This is to keep the list in compliance with Wikipedia's policy of verifiability. Adding bands to the list without citing any sources qualifies as original research, since their classification as "emo" is based entirely on your own opinion and point of view. For more infomation, please see the following pages:
- Wikipedia:Verifiability
- Wikipedia:No original research
- Wikipedia:Neutral point of view
- Wikipedia:Reliable sources
- Wikipedia:Citing sources
A good place to start finding sources is to look through album reviews and articles in music publications such as Rolling Stone, NME, Alternative Press, Spin, etc. If you can find some articles or reviews that describe a particular act as emo, please present them on the article's talk page at Talk:List of emo artists and I'll be happy to show you how to turn them into citations. If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to ask me on my talk page. Happy editing! -- IllaZilla ( talk) 04:40, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi again. I see that you made a good faith effort to add sources to the acts you listed, but they were reverted and I thought you might want to know why. For citing content on Wikipedia, we rely first and foremost on reliable, third-party sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Most of your citations were to the bands' own websites, which isn't helpful because A) they are primary sources and we're looking for secondary ones (ie. the opinions & analyses of music critics), and B) the bands' websites don't mention anywhere on them that those bands are considered "emo", so really these did nothing to support the claim that they are "emo" artists. Some of your other citations were to Wikipedia itself, which isn't appropriate: Wikipedia can't be used as a self-reference. See WP:CIRCULAR for more explanation of this; Imagine if you were doing a reasearch paper for school and your only sources were other papers that you yourself had written...you can see the problem.
Again, the best place to look for sources is in music publications. Try searching the websites of magazines such as Rolling Stone, NME, Alternative Press, and Spin, or even online publications such as Punknews.org, Pitchfork Media, Allmusic, etc. If you look at the references already used in the article you might find some additional jumping-off points in your search for sources. Go down to the "References" section and click on a few of the links to see the types of sources we're looking for. Again, reading Wikipedia:Reliable sources thoroughly is highly recommended.
Please don't take this as criticism; your contributions are appreciated and we're glad that you're interested in improving the article. I'm merely trying to help you navigate Wikipedia's policies & guidelines and point you down the path towards finding good sources that support your claims. Again, if you have any questions at all please don't hesitate to ask on my talk page. Happy editing! -- IllaZilla ( talk) 20:25, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry your additions were removed, but you have to correctly cite some reliable sources. Band websites aren't reliable sources and don't even say anything about them being emo. Tim meh 17:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)