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Happy editing! -- Toddy1 (talk) 05:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Hi ChiaraFi! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at
Eva Kaili that may not have been. "
Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as
typo corrections or reverting obvious
vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Thank you. --
Toddy1
(talk)
05:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Good morning Toddy1! You are correct about the edits, they warrent a better discussion. Since I am new, I did not want to "correct" any fellow editor. Yes the meaning changes however the truth does not. What i mean by this is that all the edits are with regard to accuracy and availability of facts. For example, there are several innacurate articles in the media about what is going on. The facts that you cab check is that the Qatargate is a mess with competing media trying to dominate a narrative on it. For example, the article mentions that Eva Kaili was charged with X and she "denies all charges". The truth here is that no charges have been announced yet, there is no article that mentions a charge as a quote from a source. So the wikipedia can talk about alleged corruption and accusations. An accusation is what for example another suspect is saying, or even the Euro parliament as a voting body that voted to remove her from vice president.
- Similarly, to say Kaili is a controversial figure because there is a quote from the PASOK president after the whole scandal has errupted, as he tries to distance the party before general elections is not a statement that defines Kaili's 15 years in politics rising in popularity during the period. Similarly, Mantalena, Eva's sister was never factually a CEO of ELONTECH which was never an organization. Again this is a media quote which is not substantiated anywhere, except for a smear campaign perhaps in the media, trying to show a side job for Kaili through her sister. Not substantiated. There is no organization registry that has Elontech. My understanding is that this was a team of tech and legal people that were interested to start an observatory at some point(Elontech stands for European Law Observatory for technology but did not reach a point of readiness to launch officially).
- I will revert with more yet I am heading to a meeting. Please let me know however what you think as a more experienced member of the wikipedia community.
- thank you!
ChiaraFi (
talk)
07:57, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- The place to discuss content issues with the article is Talk:Eva Kaili
- Wikipedia has three core policies that favour verifiability over truth:
- That you know that some of what is in the media is untrue, is irrelevant. Articles need to be based on what reliable published sources say. The article should also represent fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on the topic.-- Toddy1 (talk) 11:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I'm
Toddy1. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article,
Eva Kaili, but you didn't provide a
reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to
include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at
referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on
my talk page. Thank you. --
Toddy1
(talk)
05:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I'm
Toddy1. I noticed that you recently
removed content from
Eva Kaili without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate
edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use
your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on
my talk page. Thanks. --
Toddy1
(talk)
05:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Hi ChiaraFi! I noticed your contributions and wanted to welcome you to the Wikipedia community. I hope you like it here and decide to stay.
As you get started, you may find this short tutorial helpful:
Alternatively, the contributing to Wikipedia page covers the same topics.
If you have any questions, we have a friendly space where experienced editors can help you here:
If you are not sure where to help out, you can find a task here:
Happy editing! -- Toddy1 (talk) 05:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Hi ChiaraFi! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at
Eva Kaili that may not have been. "
Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia—it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as
typo corrections or reverting obvious
vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Thank you. --
Toddy1
(talk)
05:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- Good morning Toddy1! You are correct about the edits, they warrent a better discussion. Since I am new, I did not want to "correct" any fellow editor. Yes the meaning changes however the truth does not. What i mean by this is that all the edits are with regard to accuracy and availability of facts. For example, there are several innacurate articles in the media about what is going on. The facts that you cab check is that the Qatargate is a mess with competing media trying to dominate a narrative on it. For example, the article mentions that Eva Kaili was charged with X and she "denies all charges". The truth here is that no charges have been announced yet, there is no article that mentions a charge as a quote from a source. So the wikipedia can talk about alleged corruption and accusations. An accusation is what for example another suspect is saying, or even the Euro parliament as a voting body that voted to remove her from vice president.
- Similarly, to say Kaili is a controversial figure because there is a quote from the PASOK president after the whole scandal has errupted, as he tries to distance the party before general elections is not a statement that defines Kaili's 15 years in politics rising in popularity during the period. Similarly, Mantalena, Eva's sister was never factually a CEO of ELONTECH which was never an organization. Again this is a media quote which is not substantiated anywhere, except for a smear campaign perhaps in the media, trying to show a side job for Kaili through her sister. Not substantiated. There is no organization registry that has Elontech. My understanding is that this was a team of tech and legal people that were interested to start an observatory at some point(Elontech stands for European Law Observatory for technology but did not reach a point of readiness to launch officially).
- I will revert with more yet I am heading to a meeting. Please let me know however what you think as a more experienced member of the wikipedia community.
- thank you!
ChiaraFi (
talk)
07:57, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
- The place to discuss content issues with the article is Talk:Eva Kaili
- Wikipedia has three core policies that favour verifiability over truth:
- That you know that some of what is in the media is untrue, is irrelevant. Articles need to be based on what reliable published sources say. The article should also represent fairly, proportionately, and, as far as possible, without editorial bias, all the significant views that have been published by reliable sources on the topic.-- Toddy1 (talk) 11:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I'm
Toddy1. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article,
Eva Kaili, but you didn't provide a
reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to
include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at
referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on
my talk page. Thank you. --
Toddy1
(talk)
05:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I'm
Toddy1. I noticed that you recently
removed content from
Eva Kaili without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate
edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use
your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on
my talk page. Thanks. --
Toddy1
(talk)
05:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)