Hi, please excuse me for rehashing such old ground, but I have been reading the entry concerning Flight 93. Your input on the discussion page seems unbiased so you seem a likely person to ask for clarification on several points. I am startled by the absence of information concerning anomalies in the story. For example, how truly remarkable it seems that passports of 2 of the hijackers and one of their cigarette-lighter knives should have been recovered. Presumably these items were with the hijackers in the cockpit, or very close to it, since they were seated in 1st class and therefore hit the ground first. By all accounts there was precious little left of the entire plane, virtually nothing of the passengers. There is no mention of whether any other passports were recovered, so it is virtually impossible to form a realistic opinion on the subject. 3) The discrepancy between 'official' and 'unofficial' crash times. 4) Reports of a 2nd smaller aircraft in the immediate vicinity just after the crash.
To present a rounded picture of the crash, surely the anomalies should be presented alongside the basic story? I appreciate that Wiki suffers from occasional vandalism, but if someone consistently removes valid material, surely that fact itself becomes relevant to the entry. I take it that Wiki has the ability to have text permanently and unremovably installed? If a line is not drawn, history becomes vulnerable to being re-written. Published books do have the advantage of being uneditable, shouldn't Wiki draw the line when clearly unbiased content is repeatedly sabotaged? Mygodfrey ( talk) 09:47, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
OK, but to my mind, the anomalies themselves (of course there are more than the few I have mentioned) are worthy of inclusion, since they form part of the story. Doubt and controversy over the official stories of all three 9/11 events are going to play and play, just as they have over JFK's assassination. Surely the Flight 93 entry is incomplete without a paragraph concerning these controversies? Mygodfrey ( talk) 13:59, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
I do not want to start an arguement but i did not edit the Rastafari movement i edited Haile Selassie I of Ethiopia. just want you to know that.
Do not accuse other editors of criminal activity based on entirely on your own borish stupidity. Take this as a last warning, you will not be tolerated thus. The next time you try this kind of bullshhit I'll make sure you get indef blocked. Thanks, SqueakBox 13:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Please make yourself aware of WP:BURDEN and WP:Citing Sources. Writing the source of your post in the summary bar is not acceptable. El Greco( talk) 21:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Good faith edits are never vandalism whereas false claims of vandalism are invariably not made in good faith. We are trying to build a neutral article on Selassie and your POV warrioring is seriously hampering this. Not to speak of your personal trolling of me. You may not give a flying xxxx for your reputation but I do for mine and your trolling of my it is based entirely on your own ignorance is entirely unacceptable, I do not edit as a volunteer here merely to be trolled by you. Thanks, SqueakBox 03:07, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly, as you are doing at Haile Selassie I. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. Til Eulenspiegel ( talk) 13:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
This has all been discussed already ad nauseam. Your demand for more discussion on the same page is merely an attempt to get a rise for your own jollies because you know you are being provocative, offensive, and bigoted by enforcing your own unilateral views against consensus. Among all wikipedians, I notice you especially seem to relish fighting on wikipedia, simply for the sake of fighting and being confrontational, and this will very likely head to a RFC on you in the near future. Being confrontational and provoking quarrels for kicks, because of your religious prejudices, is NOT the purpose of this project. Til Eulenspiegel ( talk) 13:45, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Your comment on my edit summary was a real day-brightener (and would have been even had you rv it!) Thanks! Sensei48 ( talk) 14:30, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
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Hi, please excuse me for rehashing such old ground, but I have been reading the entry concerning Flight 93. Your input on the discussion page seems unbiased so you seem a likely person to ask for clarification on several points. I am startled by the absence of information concerning anomalies in the story. For example, how truly remarkable it seems that passports of 2 of the hijackers and one of their cigarette-lighter knives should have been recovered. Presumably these items were with the hijackers in the cockpit, or very close to it, since they were seated in 1st class and therefore hit the ground first. By all accounts there was precious little left of the entire plane, virtually nothing of the passengers. There is no mention of whether any other passports were recovered, so it is virtually impossible to form a realistic opinion on the subject. 3) The discrepancy between 'official' and 'unofficial' crash times. 4) Reports of a 2nd smaller aircraft in the immediate vicinity just after the crash.
To present a rounded picture of the crash, surely the anomalies should be presented alongside the basic story? I appreciate that Wiki suffers from occasional vandalism, but if someone consistently removes valid material, surely that fact itself becomes relevant to the entry. I take it that Wiki has the ability to have text permanently and unremovably installed? If a line is not drawn, history becomes vulnerable to being re-written. Published books do have the advantage of being uneditable, shouldn't Wiki draw the line when clearly unbiased content is repeatedly sabotaged? Mygodfrey ( talk) 09:47, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
OK, but to my mind, the anomalies themselves (of course there are more than the few I have mentioned) are worthy of inclusion, since they form part of the story. Doubt and controversy over the official stories of all three 9/11 events are going to play and play, just as they have over JFK's assassination. Surely the Flight 93 entry is incomplete without a paragraph concerning these controversies? Mygodfrey ( talk) 13:59, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
I do not want to start an arguement but i did not edit the Rastafari movement i edited Haile Selassie I of Ethiopia. just want you to know that.
Do not accuse other editors of criminal activity based on entirely on your own borish stupidity. Take this as a last warning, you will not be tolerated thus. The next time you try this kind of bullshhit I'll make sure you get indef blocked. Thanks, SqueakBox 13:28, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Please make yourself aware of WP:BURDEN and WP:Citing Sources. Writing the source of your post in the summary bar is not acceptable. El Greco( talk) 21:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Good faith edits are never vandalism whereas false claims of vandalism are invariably not made in good faith. We are trying to build a neutral article on Selassie and your POV warrioring is seriously hampering this. Not to speak of your personal trolling of me. You may not give a flying xxxx for your reputation but I do for mine and your trolling of my it is based entirely on your own ignorance is entirely unacceptable, I do not edit as a volunteer here merely to be trolled by you. Thanks, SqueakBox 03:07, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly, as you are doing at Haile Selassie I. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. Rather than reverting, discuss disputed changes on the talk page. The revision you want is not going to be implemented by edit warring. Thank you. Til Eulenspiegel ( talk) 13:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
This has all been discussed already ad nauseam. Your demand for more discussion on the same page is merely an attempt to get a rise for your own jollies because you know you are being provocative, offensive, and bigoted by enforcing your own unilateral views against consensus. Among all wikipedians, I notice you especially seem to relish fighting on wikipedia, simply for the sake of fighting and being confrontational, and this will very likely head to a RFC on you in the near future. Being confrontational and provoking quarrels for kicks, because of your religious prejudices, is NOT the purpose of this project. Til Eulenspiegel ( talk) 13:45, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Your comment on my edit summary was a real day-brightener (and would have been even had you rv it!) Thanks! Sensei48 ( talk) 14:30, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Troyster87, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/J Stalin (3rd nomination). Thank you.
Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Troyster87 ( talk) 08:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
A case ( September 11 conspiracy theories) in which you were involved has been modified by motion which changed the wording of the discretionary sanctions section to clarify that the scope applies to pages, not just articles. For the arbitration committee -- S Philbrick (Talk) 19:19, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Hello, Bulbous. Voting in the 2016 Arbitration Committee elections is open from Monday, 00:00, 21 November through Sunday, 23:59, 4 December to all unblocked users who have registered an account before Wednesday, 00:00, 28 October 2016 and have made at least 150 mainspace edits before Sunday, 00:00, 1 November 2016.
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